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Card's Intergalactic Medicine Show

Hemos posted more than 8 years ago | from the good-writings-to-be-shared dept.

Sci-Fi 276

grammar fascist writes "Orson Scott Card's Intergalactic Medicine Show, a science fiction / fantasy webzine, went online just yesterday. Card, the editor-in-chief, has stayed true to his ideals: quality stories, author's rights, and trust in people's honesty. New stories are released quarterly, with new column installments added monthly to the current issue. New art is created for each story. There isn't even an attempt at draconian content control. Writers and artists give exclusive rights for one year - after that, limited rights. Card wants your stories and art, not your copyrights. I've finished the first issue now, and the stories are great. "Eviction Notice" made me cry, and I laughed out loud at "Loose in the Wires." I paid my $2.50 initially to support the business model, but the stories themselves are worth it."

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276 comments

Pay me now and pay me later (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808419)

Imagine what Cards could do with that two dollars and fifty cents if he wasn't paying the exorbitant slashvertisement fees.

But I'm an illiterate ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808420)

you insensitive clod!

i'm sorry (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808425)

but sci-fi sucks.. not meaning to troll but i really just cant stand it.. :(

Re:i'm sorry (1)

ZiakII (829432) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808456)

but sci-fi sucks.. not meaning to troll but i really just cant stand it.. :(

you should be a critic honestly you would fit in with them.....

Re:i'm sorry (2)

code601 (862671) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808542)

I used to be a big enders game fan and thought OSC was the king until i read things from the like peter f hamilton, greg bear and ian m banks etc The nights dawn trilogy makes enders game look like fan-fiction

Re:i'm sorry (-1, Offtopic)

karnifex (724937) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808488)

Then why waste the energy, if not simply to shit in the proverbial punch bowl? Frankly, Mr. Coward, no one cares what you think.

Re:i'm sorry (-1, Offtopic)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808544)

I care what he or she thinks. I care what you think, too. But when you think that nobody cares whatever he or she thinks, then I know you are wrong. Because I care.

Re:i'm sorry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808757)

I care what he or she thinks. I care what you think, too. But when you think that nobody cares whatever he or she thinks, then I know you are wrong. Because I care.

Only if you put some sci-fi references in that you wouldn't be offtopic.

He or she is a alien, you are from the future, and the jarhead sugesting that he or she shits in punch bowls is a vegitron. I think he or she can't stand sci-fi because he or she being from another planet can't take it seriously. I think you already know what i'm going to say, and this other guy is quarking on the floor pollinating it self.

Fr0st p1st! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808428)

It's true. It's really cold here.

Yeah. PayPalPowered (-1, Flamebait)

KZigurs (638781) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808438)

Sad. Promising issue but looks like they will NOT get my 2.50$ for the simple reason that they are using PayPal. There is no way I would trust my personal information, let alone my CC data to them.

Anybody gotta copy?

Re:Yeah. PayPalPowered (1, Troll)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808467)

You do realize most of the anti-paypal stuff out there is just people bitching and complaining because they were attempting some sort of fraud and paypal caught them on it. There are a few valid complaints yes, but I've never heard of anyone without an account paying through them having any problems. They havn't had any breaches in security that would cause your CC data to be worrysome.

Re:Yeah. PayPalPowered (2, Insightful)

patricksevenlee (679708) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808616)

You do realize most of the anti-paypal stuff out there is just people bitching and complaining because they were attempting some sort of fraud and paypal caught them on it. There are a few valid complaints yes, but I've never heard of anyone without an account paying through them having any problems. They havn't had any breaches in security that would cause your CC data to be worrysome.

Uhhh.... no. My PayPal account was frozen when I sold something on eBay and there was a dispute between myself and the buyer. Both PayPal and eBay ruled in my favor (this was before eBay bought PayPal) but then in sour grapes that the arbitration didn't go his way, the buyer did a reverse charge on his credit card, PayPal told me to pay up or they freeze my account. And this is despite the fact that they ruled in my favor. I told them which layer of Dante's Infero to go and will NEVER use PayPal ever again.

Re:Yeah. PayPalPowered (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808720)

Such is the cost of buisness in taking credit cards, your disagreement is with the credit card company that allowed him to reverse the charges. But if paypal had done what you wanted they would have had to shell out the money themselves, something they arn't going to do.

Re:Yeah. PayPalPowered (0, Offtopic)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808707)

You do realize most of the anti-paypal stuff out there is just people bitching and complaining because they were attempting some sort of fraud and paypal caught them on it. There are a few valid complaints yes, but I've never heard of anyone without an account paying through them having any problems. They havn't had any breaches in security that would cause your CC data to be worrysome.

I like many others got their paypal frozen. No valid explanation, no correction, no fraud. Granted I just created another account using a more verbose form of my e-mail address but regardless there are people who bitching who have just cause... hince that class action lawsuit.

http://www.paypalsucks.com/forums/showthread.php?f id=3&tid=5223&old_block=0 [paypalsucks.com]

Re:Yeah. PayPalPowered (0, Flamebait)

omgpotatoes (916336) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808740)

I can't believe this was modded Interesting - it's totally [aboutpaypal.org] wrong [paypalsucks.com] . Have a look at the size of the PayPalSucks forums to get an idea of what I mean - size alone should give you an idea of what you're dealing with here.

Then go read one of their draconian user agreements, the ex-employee/whistleblower interviews (PayPalSucks and elsewhere), and maybe something like this [wired.com] . Or just google [google.com.au] it?

I was ripped off myself - thankfully only for US$2.50 - for the crime of living outside the US and sending verification papers a month too slow. I logged in one day to find my account locked before even the first transaction, with big red bold text to the effect of "bugger off, we don't want your money". I made several calls to get it working again before finding PayPalSucks, but couldn't be bothered spending any more time fighting their obfuscation-fu. I'd suggest my case was more incompetence than malice, but I've seen (firsthand) much worse.

No offense meant, but please do a little research before making such sweeping claims. It's really annoying to see someone sing their praises after watching them get away with the kind of shit that they do.

Re:Yeah. PayPalPowered (1, Informative)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808816)

If you ever dealt with merchant accounts with real banks, you'd realize its the same shit, really it is. Of course half the bitching people do is that they arn't a real bank. Only different I've seen if the Federal Insurance, and lesser fees.

Re:Yeah. PayPalPowered (1)

omgpotatoes (916336) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808923)

Well, I've never had a merchant account with a real bank, so I can't do that comparison. And I agree that cost is a major driver in that industry, so much so that bad service may be optimal. But any company which makes money by freezing accounts, draining money, and making it very difficult/costly to retrieve said money (earning interest all the way) goes down as evil in my book.

It's true that people bitch about them misrepresenting themselves as a bank. I'm bitching about how PayPal takes peoples' money for the flimsiest of reasons and refuses to give it back just because they're big and lawyers are expensive.

Re:Yeah. PayPalPowered (1)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808924)

"You do realize most of the anti-paypal stuff out there is just people bitching and complaining because they were attempting some sort of fraud and paypal caught them on it."

Actually, of all the anti-paypal stuff I've read so far, none involved a fraud.

Plus, people commiting frauds tend to keep a low profile, because we're talking a crime punishable by law. You don't see whole public web-sites of people advertising that they've commited fraud against, say, a bank, any more than you see web sites full of people advertising their rapist prowess. Much less class-action lawsuits against the bank by them.

So I'm wondering on what do you base that kind of a broad-sweeping generalization. You're accusing a helluva lot of people of commiting a crime, so I'd like that to be based on some actual evidence, rather than fanboyism.

But even that's missing the whole point: even without those complaints, why should I trust my money to a company (A) who ostensibly is not a bank, and (B) whose terms and conditions of use basically say "all your money are belong to us. We can do whatever we wish, for any damn reason we wish. You have no rights, and don't guarantee anything, not even that you'll ever see your money back. And, oh, suing us to get your money back is also a breach of this contract."

See, banks aren't just a big company that you trust, but are subject to strict government regulations _and_ backing. You essentially don't even have to trust your bank, because there's a whole legal framework that's not only there to kick them in the teeth if they tried to run away with it, but also to make sure that you _will_ get your money back. From your government, if all else fails.

By comparison, PayPal is... what? A dot-com which overtly makes no guarantees, puts itself outside any rules or obligations, and you just have to trust them that they'll do the right thing. It's like giving your CC to a John Doe on the street, because he looks like a thrustworthy fellow. Or to the widdow of Mr Bantu Nguana from Nigeria, because she seems so sincere in that email asking for your help to transfer those 80 million dollars.

And even if you trust their current management, we're talking a dot-com which changed management and got bought at least once. Do you automatically trust that any future managers will also be trustworthy, even though your contract with them says "do what you will with my money, you are always automatically right, and I'm automatically wrong if I disaggree"? Why?

"They havn't had any breaches in security that would cause your CC data to be worrysome."

No, you don't know that. You only know that they haven't published any incident, but then they also didn't put their other mistakes on the front page. But even assuming it were so:

1. How do you know it will stay so? What happens when a new CEO is brought to reduce costs and he outsources it all to the cheapest monkeys he can find? I'm not even talking about offshoring only: there has been a recent case right on /. of some american idiot rent-a-coder that exported and zipped a productive database, and posted it on a website, asking if someone can help him format that data. In fact, he posted it twice. Complete with people's names, addresses, etc.

2. What is your recourse when that eventually happens? With a bank you have a certain guarantee, both from it and from your government, that your money won't just disappear down a rat hole. PayPal explicitly gives none.

Re:Yeah. PayPalPowered (1)

Dun Malg (230075) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809394)

See, banks aren't just a big company that you trust, but are subject to strict government regulations _and_ backing. You essentially don't even have to trust your bank, because there's a whole legal framework that's not only there to kick them in the teeth if they tried to run away with it, but also to make sure that you _will_ get your money back. From your government, if all else fails.

By comparison, PayPal is... what?

I don't know where people got the idea that PayPal was anything like a bank in the first place. They're more like a bare-bones cheap credit card processing service. You'd get the same lack of service and callous disregard for your money from those "$25/mo plus 5% of each transaction" card processing folks. Buyer disputes a charge? You're mostly SOL! If you want good service as a merchant, you gotta pay for it. Get a decent payment processing service. If you're so bent on accepting paypal, find a service provider like Andale who will middleman it for you.

Re:Yeah. PayPalPowered (1)

hqm (49964) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808470)

I use PayPal, even though they are scum bags, but I don't give them my credit card info. I set up a special bank account which I only keep a minimal (~ $20) balance, so they cannot drain my main account. That way I can use PayPal without worrying about them stealing my money. It's easy to ask your bank to set up a new special account.

Re:Yeah. PayPalPowered (0)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808565)

You do realize what a testimonial against using PayPal this is, don't you?

Doctorow (1)

yourexhalekiss (833943) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808454)

Cory Doctorow from BoingBoing is going to jump all over this.

(Not without reason though, it seems.)

Great for O.S. Card (2, Insightful)

mordors9 (665662) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808465)

This follows in the great tradition of the old print anthologies of SF Stories. Hopefully this will lead to more interest in SF and writing in general. Perhaps we can return to the glory days of SciFi.

Re:Great for O.S. Card (1)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809395)

And more importantly, it provides a ground floor for new authors to join Science Fiction and refine their craft.

As far as the glory days of Sci-Fi, you really aren't going to get them back. Computers, Relativity and Quantumn Mechanics aren't vague incantations that authors can wave about and conjure stories from. These items that were science fiction back in the Golden Age, are today common place. Quantumn mechanics defines the size of computer chips. Our understanding of Relativity (special and general) made the GPS system possible. Computers are so common, that much of what they run aren't considered computer applications anymore.

Television and movies have also warped the public's taste for material. Odds are, if you can think of it, there is a short story, 2 novels, 3 B-movies, an episode of Star Trek, and a feature length movie that have already explored the concept to death. I swear, Sci-Fi is more stamp collecting than imagination these days. Even when someone comes up with a new idea, the first thing critics say is "Bradberry did it better in..."

Sci-Fi has, for better or for worse, morphed into just another Genre of literature. Which I say is for the better, because it means that authors can concentrate more on story telling than worry about wowing the audience with some new gadget.

Another way to support Independant Science Fiction (4, Informative)

salimfadhley (565599) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808485)

Another way to support independant sci-fi is to listen to Escape Pod [escapepod.info] , the weekly science-fiction podcast magazine.

I'm not involved in this project, but I have been a frequent donor. I think EP is a very important project. To some extent, the sci-fi and fantasy genres are dominated by the feature film, the novel and the long-running series. The traditional vehicle for short stories, magazines, have a dwindling readership, and do not have the distribution that they once had at their peak.

EP seeks to create an audience, and perhaps one day a market for short, original science-fiction stories. I think this is a very noble and important cause.

Please tune in. I hope you enjoy it. You can find it listed on all good podcast directories.

Stresstesting server (3, Funny)

Big Nothing (229456) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808487)

Orson Scott Card's Intergalactic Medicine Show, a science fiction / fantasy webzine, went online just yesterday. Card, the editor-in-chief, wants to have his server stress tested.

Re:Stresstesting server (0, Offtopic)

Hyperlink Processor (923293) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808571)

Nothing like a good slashdotting to check for hernias.

Pffft...Mormons (5, Interesting)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808489)

Card, the editor-in-chief, has stayed true to his ideals: quality stories, author's rights, and trust in people's honesty.

Pffft. Leave it to a Mormon to actually implement a business model that respects the work's creator...

(I just spent last week in SLC. Can't say I agree with a lot of their views, but they are a very nice bunch of people.)

Re:Pffft...Mormons (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808526)

If you think the Mormons are nice people, you obviously haven't lived there. I grew up there man, and I'm still in therapy! Also, O.S. Card is an egotistical pervert, but his mom is nice enough. Hi Peggy, sorry for calling your son a pervert, but it's true (and you know it.)

Totally off the subject, it's illegal to dance in public in Utah now. (Footloose anyone?)

Re:Pffft...Mormons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808539)

I thought that law just made it illegal to hold public dances without a permit.

a very nice bunch of people (1, Interesting)

wiredog (43288) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808653)

And they don't go to extreme lenghts to try to convert you. Once it's clear that you're not interested they leave you alone.

Re:a very nice bunch of people (1)

Oscillaters (921481) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808827)

As someone who grew up in the metaphorical shadow of the World Trade Center and now lives less than two miles from Temple Square in Salt Lake City - and thus whose workplace is at least 50% LDS - I can affirm this. They're culturally backwards and irresponsibly prolific, but other than that they make fine neighbors: polite, industrious, and hygienic.

Re:a very nice bunch of people (1)

SirChive (229195) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809292)

Polite, industrious and hygenic are not the most meaningful of qualities when it comes to describing essential humanity. Most Nazi party members in Hitler's Germany were certainly polite, industrious and hygenic.

Had a lot of Mormon friends as a kid. I moved a lot and they always went out of their way to be very welcoming to new people. They made great friends. But when I got older and would talk to them about their beliefs I was totally freaked. "You REALLY believe all that stuff?", I'd ask. They'd just look at me with big eyes, pitying me because I could not see the light.

Riiiiight. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808907)

Now, if by some mistake of birth, you should happen to be a member of that sect and decide you don't want to be affiliated with it anymore, prepare for the onslaught.

After my wife and I decided we'd had enough, we had nonstop unwanted calls and visits by guys in dark suits. Each and every time they came to our door we told them that we weren't interested, weren't coming back and that we wanted the harassment to stop. The bishop even told us that it was his "ecclesiastical duty" to continue the unwanted calls and visits until we wrote a letter resigning our membership. WTF??

After we wrote the letter, and they wouldn't accept an email, then the vicious rumors started and our Mormon friends stopped talking to us. It may be all smiles going in, but it's all daggers going out.

Yeah, nice folks. Love 'em to death.

Re:a very nice bunch of people (3, Funny)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809355)

And they don't go to extreme lenghts to try to convert you. Once it's clear that you're not interested they leave you alone.

That's probably because they'll just convert you post-mortem.
But they sure are a lot nicer than Jehova's Witnesses.

Re:Pffft...Mormons (4, Funny)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808664)

You just had to go there.
Now we can get see the flood of anti-Mormon bigotry start flowing.
BTW The Mormon Churches website has instructions on how to view and or listen to their webcasts on Linux.
Thanks for saying that they are a nice bunch of people but just like every group you have some good and some bad. Frankly if you want to show your respect for them it is best too just not mention them.
Freedom of Religion is less welcome on Slashdot than a racially mixed wedding at a Klan meeting.

Re:Pffft...Mormons (-1, Offtopic)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808775)

How true. The best way to show your respect for someone is to ignore them. I guess Bush was just showing everyone how much he respects poor people and black people with his response to Katrina. (Yes, I am specifically referring to HIS response. Getting off your ass and returning from vacation in a time of crisis is the sign of someone who gives a shit.)

Re:Pffft...Mormons (2, Interesting)

syrinx (106469) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808866)

Yes, because Bush personally could have done a whole lot, such as keeping the water out of the flooded areas by plugging the holes in the levees with his fingers. Or teleporting people out of the area WITH HIS MIND! If only he had been there!

(If you're just interested in useless symbols, take a college English class.)

Re:Pffft...Mormons (0, Offtopic)

Jedi Alec (258881) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809066)

(If you're just interested in useless symbols, take a college English class.)

Lemme take a wild guess...you must be single. Heads of state just walking around tripping in the mud can for some odd reason be a great comfort. Little cut out cardboard hearts can spark a small tear. What is a useless symbol to one is a huge neon sign to another.

Re:Pffft...Mormons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13809015)

You wrote:
BTW The Mormon Churches website has instructions on how to view and or listen to their webcasts on Linux.

Good for them. What they really need, though, is a version of PAF for Linux. Gramps really doesn't cut it.

Omni magazine? (1)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808503)

I'm definitely interested. My favorite magazine back when I was a kid was Omni. Loved the short story sci-fi they would always have there, and the creepy Giger artwork and all that. Totally bummed me out when they went all new-age.

I've been looking for a good magazine sci-fi fix ever since. This could be just what I've been looking for since I was a teenager, if they do it right.

Re:Omni magazine? (1)

JasonKChapman (842766) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809055)

I've been looking for a good magazine sci-fi fix ever since. This could be just what I've been looking for since I was a teenager, if they do it right.

Was there something wrong with Asimov's [asimovs.com] or Analog [analogsf.com] or Fantasy and Science Fiction [sfsite.com] ? They've been publishing the whole time and helping to keep the short sf market alive.

Granted that of these only Analog publishes science fact articles as well, but if you subscribe to those three and add Scientific American [sciam.com] you're covered.

The guy is a fascist (0, Troll)

The Great Alonzo (890912) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808511)

He's a complete asshole, his politics are slightly to the right of Genghis Khan, when I read this article ( http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2005-05-15-1 .html [ornery.org] ) I binned the few books I had of his.
There's no room in the 21st century for animals like him, except maybe in the Shite House.

Re:The guy is a fascist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808531)

What an open-minded, 21-st century liberal view you have! Very tolerant too!

Re:The guy is a fascist--not (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808906)

I have read the peice cited in the grand parent and I agree with the parent.

My comment is that Slashdot has an abundance of Smartland natives, and those of my
ilk are forced into anonymos cowardace or silence.

Re:The guy is a fascist (5, Insightful)

Banishedwun (557217) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808553)

That's the problem with most "artists", but nobody says you have to agree with an artist's politics or views. Why can't you(we) just appreciate the good things? Whether it be a movie, book (Ender's Game was great), music, or whatever. If I "binned" the material of every "artist" who had different politics or views than I did then there would be very slim pickings.

So you'd have to say that Tom Cruise never put out an enjoyable movie, that you never sang along to a Michael Jackson song in the 80s, that OJ simpson wasn't a great football player. People are different, some of the most talented are flawed.

What there's no room for in the 21st century are the black/white reactionary actions you espouse. If you disagree with Card's politics, fine. If you don't want to buy or even keep his books, fine. But stating that there's no room for "animals" like him? Way to paint yourself into that extremist corner and lose any validity for your argument. Try formulating an argument, support it with facts, and allow your reader to determine whether this is someone they want to support.

Re:The guy is a fascist (2, Insightful)

bani (467531) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808815)

that's just it though. ender's game was not great. it was incredibly two dimensional, shallow, and telegraphed everything light years away. osc took a fad of the times (video games) and wrote a story around it. thing is, it was already a cliche by the time he had got to it. it's way, way cliche now.

he did know his target audience though -- angsty teens. ender's game appeals strongly to teens, because it's a story about getting ultimate revenge on bullies. what angsty bullied teen doesn't love a story like that?

oh and before you accuse me of dissing ender's game "just because you don't like his politics" -- i read ender's game and concluded it was mediocre fluff about a decade before I ever discovered osc was an asshat - or anything else about him for that matter. osc's political views have zero bearing on my conclusion ender's game is doggie poo.

there are many, many SF stories which are "great". ender's game is not one of them.

In general we agree, but this gets to his work too (0)

ianscot (591483) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808830)

There's a special place in the world of artistic endeavor, though, for authors and artists whose egos and world views come to vitiate their work, spoiling it for me. For example:

Whether it be a movie, book (Ender's Game was great), music, or whatever.

Lots of OSC's critics argue that "Ender's Game" amounts to an extended apologia for Hitler. [wikipedia.org] (Look in the little outline at point 7.1.) Given OSC's general world view, yeah, that does affect my reading of the novel.

It's also hard for me to idolize Bobby Fischer at this point. Sad but true. And no matter how cool a modern artist is, no matter how amazing her use of material and so on, if she's constantly referring directly and indirectly to how much she detests Serbs/Croats/Kosovar Albanians, it'll detract from the work for me. I can't just shrug and say the colors are really well-chosen and leave with just the good, not if she's shoving her ideology down my throat.

Can anyone but a sicko really want OJ's autograph on a football now? I was a kid when he was huge, I remember how cool he was then. Only makes me wince now.

Doesn't make the artist an "animal," but it does compromise any satisfaction from the art.

Re:In general we agree, but this gets to his work (2, Insightful)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808886)

Disagreeing with someone's politics is not always a reason to not read their works (though invariably people add their on spin on any story they write ,which could make it less enjoyable for an opposing view point) ,However I would not pay for any services he provides or books he writes ,due to the fact he may use the money to lobby . I don't want to fund people with views like that .

Re:In general we agree, but this gets to his work (1)

Banishedwun (557217) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808968)

Totally with what you said, but you make one of my points for me. Criticizing the work is much different than labelling the artist an "animal".

Though OSC has addressed the Hitler issue numerous times regarding Ender, I think you have a valid point. I look at it this way, if I never read about OSC's world view then I can still enjoy his work and get out of it what I read into it. I assume the same thing goes for L. Ron Hubbard's sci-fi, but I've honestly never read any of his work because I read about scientology first. That's not to say that I wouldn't read his work though, just that I'd be biased against it.

My main objection was to the labelling of OSC as an "animal". I tend to reserve that word for people who deserve it, as in my previous OJ Simpson reference.

Re:In general we agree, but this gets to his work (1)

The Wooden Badger (540258) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809338)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but did you say that your reading of the novel is affected by critics claims that he has denied? The 7.1 outline point brings up another great critique that Ender's Game was actually written by a committee of Mormons to warm people up to forgiving. That just sounds like conspiracy theory drivel to me. I can't think of a good reason to go to someone who doesn't like an author to figure out what the original meaning was.

On the topic of the Ender/Hitler thing, all we can do is acknowledge that one side says yes and the other side says no. I have to go with the author on this one. I don't know why he would try to hide the Hitler comparisons seeing how Ender is quite detestable in man ways. The case is shaky when you see how much Ender is played and used to commit genocide, where Hitler is anything but a pawn.

Re:The guy is a fascist (1)

ooze (307871) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808984)

Just that Tom Cruise never was on an enjoyable movie. I have been told he wasn't half bad in Magnolia, but that I haven't seen yet. The furthest I would go is, that Tom Cruse was in a few movies that could have been good, if it wasn't for him being in them. He is just flat out a terrible actor. See Rain Man where you see him next to Dustin Hoffman. It jumps into your face whenever you see him "I can't act!". Or Vanilla Sky. That movie got a lot of problems and was one of the worst I have ever seen. But the main problem it has is, that it has to rely on the leading role being a good actor. Too bad the leading role was given to Tom Cruise.

The old Michale Jackson records are still some of the best out there. I can't comment on O.J. Simpson's football. And I can even enjoy a lot of passages from the Bible, although all it's authors where either religous nutheads or freaking hypocrites.

Re:The guy is a fascist (4, Insightful)

khallow (566160) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808837)

I'm surprised anyone tries to pin Genghis Khan down using a modern political spectrum. After all, the man implemented the largest (and misguided) conservation projects known to man, by attempting to restore most of Asia to its natural Mongolian grasslands (in part by laying waste to cities and farmland). And arguing whether Genghis Khan was reactionary or not depends on your point of view. He certainly greatly upset the prior order.

Ummm... (5, Informative)

KDan (90353) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808517)

Ok, so Orson Scott Card is a great author... but how is this groundbreaking? There are numerous webzines that publish quality stories, out there...

Try Duotrope's digest [duotrope.com] to find them.

Daniel

Re:Ummm... (1)

mangus_angus (873781) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808533)

Ok, so Orson Scott Card is a great author...


He's a great author for the first book in a series. Seems like he loses steam after that. Just look at the Ender series, and Enders Shadow (Bean) series. Both started out strong, but just got worse and worse with each one.

Re:Ummm... (1)

rattboi (597506) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809224)

I don't think it's just the first books in his series, it's just sometimes he's hit-or-miss.

For example, in the Ender Saga, yes Xenocide and Speaker for the Dead were slow, but I thought it was all worth it for Children of the Mind.

Also, in the Homecoming series, I thought Earthfall was awesome, but Earthborn was crap.

Re:Ummm... (5, Insightful)

KDan (90353) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808567)

Also, in the "Submissions" section..

We pay 6 cents a word up to $500. Stories can be longer, but the word rate drops with increasing length to always yield a total of $500.

With this payment we buy exclusive rights in any language or any medium throughout the world for one year from date of first publication in the magazine, and nonexclusive electronic and/or online rights in any language in perpetuity. We also buy nonexclusive print and audio rights throughout the world and in all languages for inclusion in multi-author anthologies based on the magazine, for which you will receive a pro rata share of the authors' share of advances and royalties, to be reported and paid when reports and payments are received by us from the publisher (or, if we are the publisher, every six months after one year after publication, if there are any earnings to report).


Though these rights are not outrageous, they are by no means extraordinary. In fact, they are more restrictive than your average magazine rights - usually they don't restrict your right to publish in other media for a year, like this does (eg, according to this you are not allowed to sell your story to any anthology for a year from the publication date...).

So essentially, whereas magazines normally only buy first rights (the rights to be the first to publish the story), this one wants to be the only one for at least a year. Respect for the author's rights? Really?

Daniel

You arer kidding, right? (2, Insightful)

N8F8 (4562) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808601)

Card's site actually looks like a real magazine.

nope (1)

KDan (90353) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808725)

People don't read SF stories for the glossy paper/nice layout.

(I'm not suggesting Card's magazine doesn't have good content - but so do many free webzines out there, if only because they pay roughly the same rates)

Daniel

Re:nope (1)

N8F8 (4562) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808747)

I know when I'm browsing the stacks at the local bookstore I'll look past books with crappy covers -if I'm not familiar with the author anyhow. I doubt I'm unusual in that respect.

Re:nope (1)

KDan (90353) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809104)

You aren't, but this is webzines we're talking about...

Daniel

Card's Ideals (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808521)

Card, the editor-in-chief, has stayed true to his ideals: quality stories, author's rights, and trust in people's honesty...

...and flagrant homophobia [about.com] .

Re:Card's Ideals (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808785)

"Homophobia" is a word coined by George Weinberg for the express purpose of stigmatizing those who oppose the political goals of certain homosexuals. If you are offended by homosexuals walking down your main street in assless chaps exhibiting lewd behavior on "gay pride" day you're branded a homophobe.

The same people who oppose that kind of behavior by homosexuals are generally also opposed to titty bars and whorehouses, which at least do business behind closed doors. But nobody calls them "heterophobes".

Re:Card's Ideals (1)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808970)

I think you got something backwards there. The same people who are opposed to that kind of behavior also claim to be opposed to titty bars and whorehouses, yet frequent them when they get a chance.

so... (1)

HBI (604924) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809084)

If they went out to the titty bar in assless chaps you'd be okay with them?

Re:Card's Ideals (4, Insightful)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809170)

those who oppose the political goals of certain homosexuals.

You mean like equal protection under the law for the way they happen to be born? Or did you mean to marry who they want because they love that person?

When people talk about the political goals of a group they usually mean that they don't want that group to have the same rights as they do.

Take your pick. The anti-slavery groups, womens suffrage, womens rights, the people in these groups were denouced at one time or another (and to some extent still are) because these groups wanted the same rights for their members as the rest of the people had (usually white men).

exhibiting lewd behavior on "gay pride" day you're branded a homophobe.

So it's okay when heterosexual women flash their breasts (lewd behavior) during Mardi Gras or get felt up by their studmuffin while sitting on the park bench.

Re:Card's Ideals (2, Insightful)

halltk1983 (855209) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809310)

So it's okay when heterosexual women flash their breasts (lewd behavior) during Mardi Gras or get felt up by their studmuffin while sitting on the park bench.

The Church is against this too. I am a Mormon, I have *many* homosexual friends, and we agree to disagree about it. They know how I stand, I know how they stand, and we are okay with that. They do their marches, and I send letters. I don't agree with the idea of same sex "marriages", and calling couples "families", but you know something? Neither do most of my homosexual/bisexual friends. They agree that a "family" is a father, mother, and maybe some children. I am a convert, wasn't a member until I was 21, yet I have never been to a "titty bar" because I disagree with the idea. It isn't something I support. But I don't condemn people for going to them. That is not my place. If it is wrong, as I believe, then it will be sorted out when we die. But that doesn't mean that I have to support it. In fact I am quite offended by public nudity, *including* Mardi Gras. There is nothing wrong with the human body, but I think people should have more self-respect.

I do denounce the lifestyle. I disagree with it. But I do not denounce the people. I don't think they should be gathered and shot, nor do I think that they should be unable to find work. I don't even withhold my friendship. But I will not fight on their side when they ask to call a same-sex union a "marriage" and the union that results a "family" because these definitions are contrary to my own. And you know, because I am not harming directly through withholding my support, it is my *right* to do so, just as it is their *right* to be as they are. I will not persecute them. But I disagree with the lifestyle.

Am I a bigot? Will you deny me my right to believe as I choose? Am I less human than they?

Re:Card's Ideals (1)

batlock666 (839087) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809086)

...and flagrant homophobia

I never understood his homophobia. Didn't he write Songmaster, the gayest scifi book ever written?

Speaking of medicine... (-1, Offtopic)

antic (29198) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808535)


Anyone got some intergalactic medicine for their server?

well designed site... (1)

jkind (922585) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808541)

Hope it takes off.. Here's a free story idea.. A short story written from the perspective of an Ethernet Frame. Would be no doubt scary, but also educational.

First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808554)

First Post

Orson Scott Card is an asshat. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808697)

Period.

Deal With It (1, Informative)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808737)

Orson Scott Card is a great writer, but he's also an insane rightwing religious fanatic [rhinotimes.com] . Since I found out, it's hard to enjoy his taking me on a tour of another person's mind.

Re:Deal With It (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808771)

Uh, what's wrong with what he's sayig? Is ad hominem attacks the only recourse you have? He's just saying to use the democratic process, is all.

Re:Deal With It (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808799)

No, he's saying some people have the right to be married, and others don't, because some people hear voices telling them to be bigots. Like "gays have the right to marry, just like anyone else, as long as they marry someone of the opposited gender, like they always have". If you want to score some credibility for Card, let's see him denounce Schwarzenegger, who just vetoed the law clarifying that California marriages aren't bigoted, after "the democratic process" let the people pass it. Kinda inconvenient, huh? Kinda insane religious nuttery. When people are nuts, and say nutty things, those homos get added to my attack list.

Re:Deal With It (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13809335)

Nice strawman. Just in time for Hallowe'en too.

Umm... no (1)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808921)

He's saying things like this:

The dark secret of homosexual society - the one that dares not speak its name - is how many homosexuals first entered into that world through a disturbing seduction or rape or molestation or abuse, and how many of them yearn to get out of the homosexual community and live normally.

Dude, me too. (2, Interesting)

gomel (527311) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808919)

And I just counted that I have 14 books by OSC on the shelf next to my elbow. So sad. I even met OSC twice at book fairs.

Recently I read some right-wing lunatic, post-9/11 columns by him. No attempt at reasoning, only 'must follow the leader; dissent is treason' kind of diatribe. That's when I noticed that he is an authoritarian.

Did you notice that in his books, democracies are the weaklings and loosers, and the strong (or shrewd) win? And what's with this fascination with genocide?

Re:Dude, me too. (3, Insightful)

jandrese (485) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809111)

Enders game is the only book of his I read, but if you asked me his political position after that I would have come up with rightwing authoritarian. There is a definate subtext of "the authorities are of course right, what are you thinking even considering otherwise?" in that work.

In fact lots of military Sci-Fi falls in that category. Check out David Weber's works for instance. Democracy is just something that gets in the way of chain of command in those books, and it usually does whatever the worst thing possible would be. He primarily uses it as a way to inject "bad" characters into the chain of command so his darling heros can show them up and look better in the eyes of the higher-ups.

Re:Dude, me too. (1)

scottennis (225462) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809334)

Genocide? What about his fascination with young boys?

Re:Deal With It (1)

cyrille32 (923520) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809052)

I only enjoyed ender's game, honestly the rest is paper waste, ive been through 'alvin maker' and 'memories of earth', and its boring as hell, i had ordered them all from amazon so i decided to read them all, but theres nothing happening and the whole thing could easily have been condensed in one volume for each 'saga'. This is just money making by filling the max. amount of paper. And for his political views... I only read one text he wrote about the 'war on terrorism' and it made me feel bad i enjoyed that much ender's game...

Re:Deal With It (1)

Absentminded-Artist (560582) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809176)

Orson Scott Card is a great writer, but he's also an insane rightwing religious fanatic.

From the article you quote: The fanatical Left will insist that anyone who upholds the fundamental meaning that marriage has always had, everywhere, until this generation, is a "homophobe" and therefore mentally ill.

Sounds like you're on your way to proving that statement true. You don't by any chance contribute to MoveOn.org, do you?

Of course, I jest, but your assessment may be a tad extreme. Religious he is, but insane fanatic? The evidence you presented (i.e. his article) seemed reasonably stated, whether you agreed with his position or not. His article is filled with statements that show he is aware that others may not agree with his viewpoint - not the act of an insane person. If the article has any flaw, it is that it too often devolves into overgeneralized statements void of evidence just like the other side of the argument he is complaining of.

Re:Deal With It (1)

OakDragon (885217) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809236)

You know what's worse than his opinions, and how he forms his ideas? I'll tell you.

It's taking those opinions and ideas, and chopping them up into tiny paragraphs. Paragraphs that contain 2 to 3 lines each. Then these paragraphs stretch over the width of the page.

The Header that is not a Header

Another pet peeve: text that is clearly a header, but is in the same font size and style as all the other text. I guess they have yet to master the <H1> tag.

Thing like that just cheese me.

Re:Deal With It (2, Insightful)

brucifer (12972) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809287)

How can this be modded informative? References to this article and others come up EVERY TIME Card is mentioned in a /. article. What is interesting is that people are so ready to discount anything a person does if their political/ideological/religous views differ from them. I am really finding it difficult to see the relevance of Card's "insane rightwing religious" fantatisism to the fact that he is putting out a quarterly Sci-Fi magazine.

What about Intergalactic Rap Battle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13808784)

It's Machine Vs. Man, Man Vs. Woman, and Woman Vs. Your Mother!!11

More Independent Sci-Fi (4, Informative)

Anitra (99093) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808826)

Want to read more free/cheap sci-fi and fantasy?

Strange Horizons [strangehorizons.com] - a weekly e-magazine, donation-supported.

Futurismic [futurismic.com] - a monthly e-magazine (focused on futuristic stories and articles about future technology), also donation-supported.

I've been reading both of these for a few months now, and the stories are great! I'm planning to donate in their fund drives, because I think the quality is superb.

Author's rights WHAT? (5, Informative)

damned_mediocrity (923503) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808829)

From the /. article summary: "Card wants your stories and art, not your copyright." Ummm, not to question the great slashdot editors, but this is *standard practice* for lit magazines, both in print and online. The author USUALLY retains the copyright for published work. Nothing unique here. Also, most print lit magazines only purchase first serial rights and/or some type of one-time anthology rights. Card's magazine purchases EVERYTHING, all rights, for an entire year. This agreement is actually worse for writers than what most publications offer. As for having all rights (except online rights, which they keep forever!!) returned to the author after a year, this seems great... except when you consider: a) for many print/web literary publications, rights return to the author immediately after publication. b) that the author won't be able to sell the story very easily if it's appeared in another magazine before. Editors want FIRST serial rights, so they can provide readers with unique, never-read-before content. When rights are returned to the author after a year, the author's not going to be able to do much with them, except for maybe putting the story in a print anthology. Sorry slashdot editors, but this looks like a not-so-hot deal for authors.

Re:Author's rights WHAT? (1)

nonsequitor (893813) | more than 8 years ago | (#13808940)

The only times I've ever paid for sci-fi short stories were for collections of them in books. This business model would not deprive the writers of my money, assuming they are good enough for me to want to buy.

Permanent electronic rights means nothing to me as well. I have never read an e-book, though I have tried several times. There's nothing quite like a paper book, I don't think they'll ever replace that. I would never buy an e-book anyway, what if the reader program is no longer supported and none of the new programs support the old DRM scheme? I will always be able to read a book, assuming I don't lose my sight in a horrible accident.

Re:Author's rights WHAT? (1)

damned_mediocrity (923503) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809260)

This business model would not deprive the writers of my money, assuming they are good enough for me to want to buy.

Just to clarify... If you're buying the lit magazine, you're not paying the author directly. The author's already been paid. Short story writers published in lit mags get money on acceptance, but rarely get any royalties for sales of the magazine.

Intergalactic Medicine Show apparently gives the author royalties *if the story is anthologized.* This is different. This means that if they decide later on to publish a print collection and put your story in it, (or if they sell your story to antoher publishing house for a print collection), you will get a cut of the sales of that collection. The royalties are split between all authors in the collection. To me, this is the only part of the agreement that looks at all good for the author. The author doesn't have any control over where, who, when, and how the work is anthologized, but hell, at least they get paid a little.

As far as electronic rights go... For most publishers, electronic rights are usually just "web publishing" rights. E.g., I buy first serial and electronic rights for a story from you, then I publish your story in the print magazine and simultaneously post your story (or an excerpt) on the magazine's website. At this point, most publishers don't make money from the electronic version directly--they use it primarily as a marketing tool for the print version of the magazine. Again, authors usually don't get royalties from magazine sales.

In any case, my point was that this magazine actually purchases more rights from the author than any lit magazine I've ever heard of. Which can't be a good thing, can it? =)

Re:Author's rights WHAT? (1)

shadowpuppy (629329) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809159)

With first serial rights, can a condition appear where the writer's story gets stuck in copyright limbo becasue the magazine never actually publishes it? And would this be resolved by the one year deal because if they don't publish it after a year you get your story back?

2 OSC stories in as many weeks? (1, Flamebait)

j4ck50n (548439) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809021)

Regardless of literary (non) accomplishments - this guy is a raging bigot of many shades.

So, as long as I churn out second rate overblown sci-fi and inane social commentary - I am free to bash, discredit and spread hate and religious intolerance?

The man is a racist homophobic bigot who deserves scorn and scrutiny, not praise.

Re:2 OSC stories in as many weeks? (5, Insightful)

LadyVirharper (804893) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809221)

Regardless of literary (non) accomplishments

Have you actually ever read his work? Lots of fascinating ideas in there. Some are getting dated...ie, in Ender's Game there's a scene where Ender fools the other kids by basically signing up for a second account and IMing everyone, and while that stuff didn't exist when the book was written, it's common nowdays so probably doesn't have the same effect as it did not 10 years ago...but others are still interesting.

His feuding brothers are getting annoying, though. For some reason half of his brothers like to hate the other halfs' guts. But that's another topic alltogether...

and inane social commentary

Well, I find it nice that he's so involved with his community. Perhaps you find contributing to community inane, but I respect it.

The man is a racist homophobic bigot

Racist? Obviously you've never read his stuff. As for homophobic...perhaps, I don't like his opinions there myself. I don't think he's a bigot, though. A bigot is someone who never considers anyone else's view. I think he's someone who has thought about it, and has chosen his path, much like I've considered things, and I've chosen my path. Not everyone who is not all for gay rights or who supports Bush is a narrow-minded bigot, as much as I'd like to jump on that bandwagon myself and say they are. (wouldn't that be a form of bigotry itself?)

who deserves scorn and scrutiny

In that order? The scorn before the scrutiny? ::grin:: Perhaps reverse that...take a good look at what he's saying, then decide if you want to scorn everything, or not.

I'm not saying everyone should lovy-dovy-love him, just that I've found in my own following of his columns that he has more interesting, worthwhile ideas than not, and I've found I respect someone who contributes to his communties--SFF literature, and his local hometown--more than someone who bitches and complains but doesn't try to pitch in to help in their own communities. I do find his views on homosexuality to be a shame, though. And Bush. Bleh. I don't read his political columns anymore, because I know I don't agree.

(Heh, I'm such a moderate...damned because I'm not left-wing enough, damned because I'm not right-wing enough.)

Re:2 OSC stories in as many weeks? (2, Insightful)

coyote_oww (749758) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809237)

So, as long as I churn out second rate overblown sci-fi and inane social commentary - I am free to bash, discredit and spread hate and religious intolerance?

Freedom of speech means you don't even have to churn out second rate overblown sci-fi to have this right. "Bash, discredit, and spread hate" is your spin on what he is doing, others have other opinions.

Of course, on Slashdot, your opinion is the only Approved opinion, and all others should be mercilessly suppressed. Oh, well, unless they also produce some decent fiction, then maybe we'll consider tolerating it...

Re:2 OSC stories in as many weeks? (1, Flamebait)

TouchyFeely (923528) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809288)

No.. as long as you are American citizen you are free to have your own opinion about whatever you want. Even science fiction writers. Sorry, but you just have to accept the fact that not everyone is willing to meekly fall in line with the Left's ideologies out of fear. But I guess if those opinions dont fall in line with the Left's version of "acceptable PC thought" then you must be a "racist homophobic bigot". You Lefties throw those words around so frequently against anyone you disagree with that they no longer have any relevance or meaning. I thought the Left was all about freedom of thought and expression?

Alternatives (2, Interesting)

Heddahenrik (902008) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809026)

If you just want to read/look at scifi stories and art, Elfwood http://www.elfwood.com/ [elfwood.com] is much easier to access, and it's free. And at the spin-off sites like Elftown http://www.elftown.com/ [elftown.com] and Writersco http://www.writersco.com/ [writersco.com] you can have a much more intime conversations with or between the writers and artists. But there are also some pretty bad amateurs there, but many see that as a feature, not a bug.

The man knows quality. (5, Insightful)

LadyVirharper (804893) | more than 8 years ago | (#13809027)

I don't agree with OSC's politics either, but he's a very talented writer, and he also knows how to spot good writing (and other forms of art too). Like someone else said, everyone's flawed, and if you let it limit the artists you patronize, you'll be missing out on a lot of good things.

OSC also is very active compared to other SFF writers in teaching the next generation to write. He's taught creative writing classes (and he's much more qualified than most who teach those usually worthless classes). He's written a book on how to write SFF, and a book on characterization. And, believe it or not, both books have solid advice...I taught myself how to write before I picked up his books on characterization and SFF, and I pretty much was nodding, going, "Yes, this is right...I do that already...yep, he's got it right..." What I had learned independantly on my own was confirmed in them. They're the only books on writing I've read so far that actually know what they're talking about...I've laughed a few others out the window for being absurdly incorrect on a lot of points.

I have the feeling that the new webzine is just another step in making a high-quality market for the next generation of writers. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned into the next, oh, I don't know...Azimov's, or something like Marion Zimmer Bradley's anthologies, or other SFF 'zine that was backed by a highly talented author, back in the "Good 'ol days".

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