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Jack Thompson Rescinds Offer

ScuttleMonkey posted about 9 years ago | from the alter-ego dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 430

Goalmaster3000 writes to tell us Joystiq.com is reporting that Jack Thompson has rescinded his offer of a $10,000 donation to charity if a video game were made to fit his model. Recently a group of GTA modders cooked up a scenario to fit the bill but apparently Thompson is claiming that his piece 'A Modest Video Game Proposal' was intended as satire that the video game community was not bright enough to grasp. Perhaps Thompson was just afraid he was going to have to sue himself? Update: 10/17 20:02 GMT by SM: It appears that the Penny Arcade crew has taken the next step by donating the promised $10,000... in Jack Thompson's name.

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i'm gay (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13810706)

for your sexy ass. I want to shave your ass, then smoke the butt hair!

Re:i'm gay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13810823)

dude, i bet you have a HUGE dong.. which i would like to tickle with my tounge of course.. and then, but ONLY THEN, will I let you shave my ass..

Ugh (5, Interesting)

Enigma_Man (756516) | about 9 years ago | (#13810714)

The fact that the guy thinks he needs to explain that his request was satire just means he didn't understand that what he got back was infact satirical. You might say he's being sassed, and doesn't even realize it.

-Jesse

Re: unwittingly sassed (2, Informative)

s388 (910768) | about 9 years ago | (#13810744)

well, afterall, he is an idiot, you know.

Re:Ugh (3, Insightful)

portwojc (201398) | about 9 years ago | (#13810815)

Well it sounded legit to me. Of course in this day and age people have forgotten about "Put up or shut up". It sounds like the put up part has been breached but thankfully the "shut up" portion remains. Hopefully that part will remain.

Re:Ugh (5, Insightful)

syle (638903) | about 9 years ago | (#13810863)

People don't say, "I will donate $10,000 to charity," as satire.

Re:Ugh (4, Insightful)

Enigma_Man (756516) | about 9 years ago | (#13811012)

It seems he probably originally did mean it to be satire... He was thinking "Do this outrageous thing that you won't do, and I'll donate $10,000". It turns out it's not that outrageous, and it was easily done. He thinks it's outrageous, because the theme is killing people that are supposed to be "on our side", but he doesn't realize that it's just a game, and games can go beyond the realm of what is acceptable in "real life" and still they themselves be acceptable.

Re:Ugh (4, Insightful)

Iriel (810009) | about 9 years ago | (#13810843)

It wasn't satire. If you read half the things he writes (by the way, his site www.stopkill.com looks severely cripple lately. Any explanation?), you'd understand that this man could actually be quite violent given the way he reacts to intelligent defense of game(r)s.

I honestly thought the guys who made Postal2 would make his game and put on the box 'Jack Thompson's (insert title)' just to call him out. It wasn't a joke to him, he wanted to know if the game industry would make itself the target instead of cops, hookers and other gangs/inmates to see if gamers would start killing eachother instead of a second grader bringing a gun to kill a fellow student. The man is honestly sick and twisted in a very bad way.

News Flash: Jack gone postal (1)

Neuroelectronic (643221) | about 9 years ago | (#13811014)

Just wait, one of these days we will hear about Jack living threw his fantasy game. Except like the Columbine kids, he won't get past his first step in his plan before he blows his own brains out. and just for fun Capitalization is the difference between "Helping your uncle Jack off a hoarse" and "Helping your uncle jack off a horse."

Re:News Flash: Jack gone postal (4, Interesting)

Iriel (810009) | about 9 years ago | (#13811091)

That's the thing about Jack's fantasy: He's already trying to live it. Whether he really does despise game(r)s that much or he's that much more of a power monger, he needs to see this come to fruition that he probably couldn't care if someone died to complete his vision. Given the gravity and senselessness of the violence in his proposal, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's really pathologically violent. Read about his conversation with Mike Krahulik (Gabe) from Penny-Arcade, or even worse, read the transcript of his emails with Scott from VG Cats.

Personally, I still think the Postal2 team could have made his game and sold millions on it because everyone would accept it as a joke like the rest of thier work. People aren't supposed to take games this seriously, and even one of the institutes he frequently cites for research told him to stop referencing them in every way because he distorts thier studies, and gives them a bad name.

Wait wait wait (5, Funny)

ifwm (687373) | about 9 years ago | (#13810725)

A lawyer lied, and people are surprised?

Re:Wait wait wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13810778)

> A lawyer lied, and people are surprised?

Old and busted: "Hey Hey! Ho Ho! Heated Coffee's got to go!"
New Hotness: "Shark lied! Peeps surprised!"

That is news (1)

Neuroelectronic (643221) | about 9 years ago | (#13810879)

(see subject)

Re:Wait wait wait (0, Troll)

nazsco (695026) | about 9 years ago | (#13810888)

> Wait wait wait (Score:1, Redundant)
> by ifwm (687373) on Monday October 17, @02:18PM (#13810725)
>
> A lawyer lied, and people are surprised?

AEUhAEUhhHAE
a joke about lawyer being liers marked as redundant. i'm whitdrawing all my complains about the mod system

Damm I was hoping.,... (0)

kinglink (195330) | about 9 years ago | (#13810726)

no one would take him up on it til november 2006. Then I'd write a simple text adventure with tons of violence. exactly as he stated...

And he'd be out 10,000 and I'd be out a week of my life.. Oh well just proof no matter what he says he can take it back with out injury... Nice to see from one of our coutntries lawyers.

I can believe it. (5, Insightful)

neuro.slug (628600) | about 9 years ago | (#13810727)

With a name akin to Swift's famous "A Modest Proposal", I can believe that Thompson thought it to be satire all along. However, the bit about promising to donate to charity was uncalled for.

Re:I can believe it. (1)

Derkec (463377) | about 9 years ago | (#13810767)

Exactly. I can't believe this was taken as seriously as it was. Whenever someone headlines something with "modest proposal" it's generally satire - especially when it is morally outrageous and absurd. For those who aren't sure, google "modest proposal" and read the piece by swift.

Re:I can believe it. (5, Insightful)

ari_j (90255) | about 9 years ago | (#13810816)

The problem is that he isn't Swift. Very few people can write satire that effectively. Unfortunately, the people who can't are those who keep trying.

I think that there is a case for promissory estoppel here, under contract law. If his satire were good, then maybe he could get away with calling it that, but his satire sucked really bad and it should be treated seriously as a result.

Re:I can believe it. (5, Funny)

Ykant (318168) | about 9 years ago | (#13810978)

The problem is that he isn't Swift...

Curiously, this sentence is just as accurate with improper punctuation...

Re:I can believe it. (1)

bobgoatcheese (455695) | about 9 years ago | (#13811059)

Bingo.

The point of satire is to present an argument that is along the same vein of your opponent's beliefs, but so ludicrous that it exposes the folly of your enemy's position. What Thompson did wasn't satirical to the video game industry at all, he simply attempted to "call out" the industry with the same rhetoric he's been using all along. He assumed no one would take him up on the offer, and thus he would come out on top and could show that the video game industry was afraid to victimize itself, because they were scared they'd train their own murderers. It's a ludicrous argument, yes, but it's one he's been presenting for years. If he managed to satirize anyone, it was only himself. The man simply isn't very clever.

Re:I can believe it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13810927)

Exactly. If his proposal was satirical, why then did he make the offer to donate to a charity? I don't recall Swift making such an offer in his "Modest Proposal," but then again since I play video games I must think that "Johnathan Swift... is the name of a new Nike running shoe." It's quite obvious to me that Mr. Thompson made the offer purely as a rhetorical ploy, so that when the game industry failed to meet his "satirical" proposal, he could claim that the entire industry was uncaring and selfish.

I have to wonder (4, Interesting)

mcc (14761) | about 9 years ago | (#13811046)

If he can actually do that. I mean, he's made the offer, you make this game I give $10,000 to charity. I kind of wonder if he actually has the legal ability to just go "ha ha only kidding" at this point and back out.

I mean, the feeble "it's satire... really" identifier in the title doesn't change the fact that what follows is several pages of Mr. Thompson very personally fantasizing about violently killing his enemies. And I think the feeble attempts to pretend he was writing satire would mean even less from a legal perspective. Is "gotcha... it was just a joke!" a recognized defense in contract law?

I mean, I am not a lawyer, but then, Jack Thompson appears to only be a lawyer in the most superficial sense. So I would be very curious to see whether Thompson has stumbled into some kind of self-constructed legal trap by putting the offer to donate to charity into his work of "satire". If you post a public notice promising to donate $10,000 to charity if someone does thing X, are you in any way committing to this? Like, those public notices saying "$1000 reward for information leading to the capture of the kidnapper of Media Heartthrob". Are those public notices legally binding to the person who put them up? If so, I'd be very, very interested to see what happens if that group of GTA modders, or the people working on the sprite flash game [derekyu.com] , actually complete something. Since both of those games entered production before Thompson issued his retraction, is there any chance they could go to court and try to claim Thompson's offer legally binding or his retraction legally invalid?

Negation of a negative (5, Funny)

matr0x_x (919985) | about 9 years ago | (#13810735)

So a satirical response to a satirical comment gives us what...

Ah, the irony!

Re:Negation of a negative (1)

ForumTroll (900233) | about 9 years ago | (#13810862)

Well by the Principle of Double Negation...

Satire People (5, Insightful)

brokenarmsgordon (903407) | about 9 years ago | (#13810743)

Well, I can see his point. Political statements are more important than people [unicef.org] .

Runs with Scissors (1)

MoreNoiseThanSignal (916548) | about 9 years ago | (#13810748)

I'm surprised Runs with Scissors wasn't all over this. It would be right at homem as a Postal 2 expansion pack.

Idiot (5, Funny)

BartulaPrime (744634) | about 9 years ago | (#13810749)

So, he thinks we weren't bright enough to realize his "satire"? Well, at least we're bright enough to know the difference between video game violence and real-life violence. Otherwise, we'd be bunny-hopping our BMX bikes over his front yard fence and blowing him away with my machine gun.

Re:Idiot (1, Funny)

ari_j (90255) | about 9 years ago | (#13810851)

Otherwise, we'd be ... blowing him away with my machine gun.

Dude! You have a machine gun and you're going to let us all shoot it? Awesome! Thanks, dude!

Re:Idiot (1)

BartulaPrime (744634) | about 9 years ago | (#13811057)

Yeah, I realized my grammatical error after I posted. Damn singular/plural pronoun conjugation!

Re:Idiot (2, Informative)

Meagermanx (768421) | about 9 years ago | (#13810918)

I didn't know it was satire.
 
I just thought he was crazy.

What a prick. (1)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | about 9 years ago | (#13810753)

I've been folowing this a little at Penny Arcade. He seems like a twat. Make an apology and give the money to charity you cheap bastard.

Re:What a prick. (3, Insightful)

porcupine8 (816071) | about 9 years ago | (#13810785)

No kidding, what an ass. Who jokes about giving $10,000 to charity? I mean, if he'd offered it as a direct prize to the winner, that's one thing - but claiming you're going to give it to charity and then renegging? No wonder the NIMF wants him to never mention their name again.

This man is a moron (5, Interesting)

Tomchu (789799) | about 9 years ago | (#13810762)

I saw the entirety of a back-and-forth e-mail conversation that a 14-year-old gamer had with this moron. It was hot on the heels of the Hot Coffee debacle, and the kid was actually very well-spoken. He brought up excellent arguments, rebutted points made by Thompson, and continued to press his original point.

Thompson kept trying to weave out of the argument, and eventually ended up calling him names, telling him to grow up because he was just a pathetic child, and other crap unbecoming of an attorney. The kid completely won the argument by not only proving that gamers were not just idiotic 14-year-old kids, but also because Thompson resorted to mere name-calling when he couldn't win his argument.

What a fucking moron.

Re:This man is a moron (1)

Dark Paladin (116525) | about 9 years ago | (#13810799)

Do you have the link to that? I'd love to see it.

Re:This man is a moron (1)

U1timateZer0 (855425) | about 9 years ago | (#13810919)

Yes, I also would like to read that conversation. It would do my heart good to see a mere teenager "defeat" a "respected attorney." (If you can call him respected).

Re:This man is a moron (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | about 9 years ago | (#13811037)

my pet mice could defend themselves against Mr Thompson.

The guy gives BAD lawyers a bad name.

Re:This man is a moron (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13811043)

hahha

I'm not 14, but I just posted ours...I'm sure 90% of the internet has something like this by now

http://www.coattails.net/jack.html [coattails.net]

Re:This man is a moron (3, Insightful)

CaptainFork (865941) | about 9 years ago | (#13810838)

You write:

Thompson resorted to mere name-calling when he couldn't win his argument.

Then:

What a fucking moron.

IMO you need to work on your consistency.

Re:This man is a moron (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13810867)

Score
------------------
Tomchu : 0
Captain Fork : 1

Re:This man is a moron (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13810932)

Kill the ref! Kill the ref!

Re:This man is a moron (0, Troll)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | about 9 years ago | (#13810871)

CaptainFork, you are a fucking moron.

PS. Note that I'm neither the OP nor the 14yo kid, so my calling you a fucking moron won't affect their arguments.

Debate insults indicate a loss. (0, Offtopic)

CyricZ (887944) | about 9 years ago | (#13810922)

Indeed, those who resort to insults during debates are most likely in the wrong. It's one of those things we see time and time again. One such example could very well be this instance of Jack Thompson debating a 14-year-old child. Another notable example is that of the KOffice developer who resorted to insulting [slashdot.org] a long time KDE and KOffice user during a discussion of the future of the KOffice project.

Re:Debate insults indicate a loss. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13810998)

Was that the most traumatic experience of your life? Because I've seen you link to that like 4 times now and it just makes you look like an ass.

Re:Debate insults indicate a loss. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13811041)

I agree with the developer, you're an idiot and it needs to be said.

Re:Debate insults indicate a loss. (0, Flamebait)

CyricZ (887944) | about 9 years ago | (#13811058)

I agree with the developer, you're an idiot and it needs to be said.

It looks like you lost that debate before it even began!

Re:Debate insults indicate a loss. (1)

civilizedINTENSITY (45686) | about 9 years ago | (#13811083)

Just had to click the link, since it comes up again and again. Seems the developer is modded at (Score:4, Insightful), whereas "He-Who-Blathers-Inanely-On-And-On-Out-His-Ass-On- T opics-About-Which-He-Knows-Nothing" is (Score:1). Perhaps, just perhaps, it would appear to at least some, that the developer, while frustrated, was insightful to label blather as blather?

Re:This man is a moron (1)

EnsilZah (575600) | about 9 years ago | (#13810926)

Well, you know what they say...
Obscenity is the crutch of inarticulate motherfuckers.

Re:This man is a moron (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | about 9 years ago | (#13810995)

Ultimatley doesn't matter. Jack Thompson is the one with the burden of proof (to use legal-ese) in his ongoing bickerings with video game players. One that claims to know what is best for us is supposed to be held to a higher standard.

Re:This man is a moron (1)

blugu64 (633729) | about 9 years ago | (#13811019)

heh, I'm glad I wasn't the only one scratching my head after that one.

On "taking the high road" (0, Redundant)

JonTurner (178845) | about 9 years ago | (#13810846)

>>Thompson resorted to mere name-calling when he couldn't win his argument.
>>
>>What a fucking moron.

Did anyone else find these two lines amusing due to their immediate proximity?

Re:On "taking the high road" (4, Insightful)

ari_j (90255) | about 9 years ago | (#13810894)

In all fairness to your valid point, the difference here is that the grandparent substantiates the fact that the guy is a "fucking moron," whereas Thompson's name-calling was apparently unsubstantiated and resulted solely from being unable to rebut the arguments of a 14-year-old kid.

It's the difference between saying "I can't stand up to you in an argument, so therefore you are an idiot." and saying "You can't stand up to a 14-year-old kid in an argument without resorting to ad hominem attacks, so therefore you are a moron."

Re:This man is a moron (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13810924)

You arnt talking about the vgcats exchange, are you?

http://www.vgcats.com/jack.php [vgcats.com]

Sue the bastard (1)

MoxCamel (20484) | about 9 years ago | (#13810764)

I'd love to see a development company sue Mr. Thompson for the time they've already put into implementing his proposal. At the very least, Mr. Thompson should donate the $10k already. But then, douchebags aren't known for their generosity, only their keen eye parody. Er...I think.

Mox

Fraud? (1, Redundant)

Fluffy the attack ki (890645) | about 9 years ago | (#13810770)

So he was joking about paying out $10K to charity? How special, I wonder if there are any Flash game makers out there who had already started projects. They might be able to sue for the cost of their wasted time.

Re:Fraud? (1)

Doctor Crumb (737936) | about 9 years ago | (#13810972)

There are at least text adventure games out there already, linked from: http://oghc.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

oghc got a reply from Jack Thompson, and he is indeed a jerk.

STOP GIVING THIS GUY FREE PRESS. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13810779)

He is nothing but a common troll. He lives on attention. YOUR attention. Stop giving him page hits; stop giving him political capital; stop giving him the time of day.

Really, why is it necessary to point this out?

Re:STOP GIVING THIS GUY FREE PRESS. (4, Insightful)

Sigma 7 (266129) | about 9 years ago | (#13810912)

He is nothing but a common troll. He lives on attention. YOUR attention. Stop giving him page hits; stop giving him political capital; stop giving him the time of day.

Really, why is it necessary to point this out?


Given:
- He is a lawyer.
- He is in a position of power.

This makes him a threat and/or newsworthy according to Slashdot and many other people.

It is necessary to point it out that he's simply a troll because people don't understand the fact that whatever he does is simply vapour (based on his "status"/loudness). If you want his detailed history of vapour, just check out his Wikipedia entry, including the sections where he lost an election since his platform was based on personal attacks.

Anybody who reads this message: Just don't make further postings in this thread unless you really have to. Given that you have to wait ~2 minutes between postings, you might as well have the time spent on a posting on something worthwhile.

Re:STOP GIVING THIS GUY FREE PRESS. (1)

Mike Kelly (864224) | about 9 years ago | (#13811095)

Who is this "Jack Tompson" of which you speak?

At first, I thought it was the (talented) Australian actor of the same name http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0860233/ [imdb.com] . For a second, I though he may be Mickey Tompson http://mshf.com/index.htm?/hof/thompson_mickey.htm [mshf.com]

Without this attention, he'd have remained a blip in the background noise...

Re:STOP GIVING THIS GUY FREE PRESS. (4, Insightful)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 9 years ago | (#13811015)

Slashdot isn't the audience he wants. He cannot influence those in the know, only the people that have no clue that he's spouting utter nonsense. What Slashdot does has no effect on him (except maybe increase the number of pages that will call him an asshole and a liar if someone types his name into Google). Only the mainstream media reach his audience.

Re:STOP GIVING THIS GUY FREE PRESS. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13811131)

Stop giving him page hits; stop giving him political capital; stop giving him the time of day.
Fair enough. But if you wanted to tell Jack exactly what time it is... John B. Thompson, Attorney at Law 1172 South Dixie Hwy., Suite 111 Coral Gables, Florida 33146 305-666-4366 jackpeace@comcast.net

thompson not doing so well (1)

stagl (569675) | about 9 years ago | (#13810780)

don't forget the article [gamesindustry.biz] linked by penny-arcade as well. mr. thompson is not winning the hearts of anyone anymore...

Jack Thompson Is A World-class Asshole (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13810786)

Jack was a neighbor of mine a couple of years back. I can tell you from personal experience that I was not surprised to see his latest lie. The guy is a world-class asshole. And I do in fact believe the son of a bitch has my router (wood working variety) he borrowed.

The guy spouts to be an expert in everything under the sun. But once you call him on it, you come to know he only has a superficial understanding of things. If you can imagine a slimy car salesman, that's Jack.

Backfire (4, Funny)

Anonymous Custard (587661) | about 9 years ago | (#13810801)

Someone should have made a game where you kill the CEO and the family, but they come back as zombies, and then you play as the zombies and go torture and kill the lawyer "Thomp Jackson"

Re:Backfire (1)

Ironsides (739422) | about 9 years ago | (#13810876)

I was going to say that we should use an anagram of his name and ran his name through an anagram generator to see what would come up that we could us. To My surprise, "PHANTOM JOCKS" came up. Think maybe Jack Thompson had some problems growing up and this is just all the fault of soom repressed memmories? Or his he trying to get revenge on the geek community for something?

Sheeesh.... what an ASS. (1)

jftitan (736933) | about 9 years ago | (#13810803)

I can believe a lawyer can lie... but when a lawyer renigs on donating to charity, because his 'true' intention was satire... is complete bull.

  I think people need to look at his claims more, and see if we can somehow BFG his ass into donating that 10k he proposed.

Satire? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13810804)

OK. I'm an idiot. I can cop to it. Somebody explain to me how that was satire. I mean, I understand how the ORIGINAL Modest Proposal was satire. But this Jack Thompson one? I don't get it. I read the proposal. All I got was a very creeped-out vibe from Thompson's glamorization of violence against those he dislikes.

I got the "O.K." reference in the main character's name. That was really clever. NOT. Seriously, though, I can't see any satire, here. Who's being satired? The people making the games? I don't have Thompson's crazy worldview; I don't see where this satire is coming from.

Help me, Slashdot. You're my only hope.

In other words (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13810807)

rockstar said yes and probley called to talk over the specifics of the game?

Ah yes. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13810813)

Jack Thompson, increasingly, resembles nothing more so than one of the least competent of slashdot's trolls.

MAN 1: I am going to kill you and rape your family!
MAN 2: ...
MAN 1: What, don't you know satire when you hear it? You have no sense of humor at all. Idiot.

Typo (5, Funny)

RancidMilk (872628) | about 9 years ago | (#13810822)

"Jack Thompson Rescinds Offer" Should be: "Jack Thompson steals $10k from Charity"

Trying to find him... (1)

modi123 (750470) | about 9 years ago | (#13810831)

Well after the Penny-Arcade comic, and reading a few other posts on Mr. Thompson, I tried to email him at his comcast address (I found it on stopkill.com). Sadley, my emails were bounced back. I wonder why? It said comcast pulled his account - wonderful. If anyone out there knows the email address of this individual so I can chime in on his crusade, it would be wonderfully abliged.

Second note, after Jack's last little spat, pro-family groups are starting to realize that there's crazy, and then there's CRAZY. So they are distancing themselves from Jack. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid= 12259 [gamesindustry.biz]

Quote Dr. Walsh of the National Institute on Media and the Family, "I know that you [Jack] share that common concern and I am well aware that you [Jack] have frequently cited me and our organisation as a source of scientific information," Walsh continues.

"However, over the past few months, I and members of my board have a growing concern that your [Jack] use of our name, without our permission, has had a negative influence as we try to educate the public on this important issue."

"Consequently, I ask that you cease using the institute's or my name in any way that would give the impression that we support your efforts." Walsh also requests that Thompson remove the link to the institute's website from his own site.

I thought I was well read on this wack job, but when did Jack do this?

"Doug Lowenstein whom Thompson has previously compared to Hitler."

Re:Trying to find him... (1)

The Taco Prophet (538981) | about 9 years ago | (#13810878)

Well after the Penny-Arcade comic, and reading a few other posts on Mr. Thompson, I tried to email him at his comcast address (I found it on stopkill.com). Sadley, my emails were bounced back. I wonder why? It said comcast pulled his account - wonderful. If anyone out there knows the email address of this individual so I can chime in on his crusade, it would be wonderfully abliged.

Voila [vgcats.com] . Dug up the link on PA's site. Credit to them for handling the thing as well as they have.

Re:Trying to find him... (1)

The Taco Prophet (538981) | about 9 years ago | (#13810905)

Also, I'm not that bright... I meant to add that that's still his comcast email address, but has his other contact info, which may be useful.

Sue me (or have Jack do it). It's Monday.

Re:Trying to find him... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13811128)

Here's ours. not sure if the email works.

  http://www.coattails.net/jack.html [coattails.net]

funny: captcha image is "pricks"

Jack is an interesting name... (4, Interesting)

fallen1 (230220) | about 9 years ago | (#13810832)

since it goes with Shit. This basically sums up Jack Thompson's entire knowledge of the video game industry he has set out to try and destroy.

No, I don't think very young people should be playing violent videogames all day, every day but it is not Jack's problem. It is not the government's problem. It is a PARENTAL problem and should be dealt with as such. Parents should take fracking responsibility for raising their children and when their children become delusional, homicidal maniacs they should CONTINUE to take responsibility since it was THEIR parenting techniques that helped little Johnny become what he is today. It takes all of 5 to 15 minutes out of your hectic day to check in on what your child is playing, watching, or reading and if he/she is constantly going over to Billy's or Sandy's house then, as a parent, you had better damn well trust that Billy's Mom and Dad are raising their child like you are raising yours so that your philosophies match (ie. so that little Johhny doesn't run over to Billy's house to play GTA: San Andreas every day because Billy's parents don't give a shit what Billy plays).

Sorry for the rant but I'm past the point of believing the crap about it takes a village to raise a child. How about it takes a concerned parent (single or plural) to raise a child. If your job takes away too much of your parenting time then perhaps you should do without the new BMW and Lexus in the driveway and spend more time with your child, less with your paycheck -- eh?

Re:Jack is an interesting name... (1)

Kombat (93720) | about 9 years ago | (#13811025)

It is a PARENTAL problem and should be dealt with as such. Parents should take fracking responsibility for raising their children and when their children become delusional, homicidal maniacs they should CONTINUE to take responsibility since it was THEIR parenting techniques that helped little Johnny become what he is today.

The problem with people like you, however, is that you so quickly flip-flop when the parents do try and monitor/control their kids behaviour. It's people like you who scream "1984!" at any suggestion of a GPS-enabled cell phone that parents can track, or RFID school passes that make sure kids are in class, or any other tools created to help parents do exactly what you (at least for now) are demanding parents do.

This happens every single time a thread like this comes up on Slashdot. If it's a story about video games making kids violent, or snack food making kids fat, people like you cry for the parents to step up and do something. But if it's a story about schools banning snack foods, or cyber-cafes banning GTA, then the same people come out screaming for liberty for the 12 year olds, and demanding that the parents butt-out.

Make up your damn minds. You can't have it both ways. Do you think perhaps that the real solution isn't quite as black-and-white as the zealots portray it to be? That maybe there's some sort of middle ground that's not being explored here?

Re:Jack is an interesting name... (4, Insightful)

pclminion (145572) | about 9 years ago | (#13811076)

The problem with people like you, however, is that you so quickly flip-flop when the parents do try and monitor/control their kids behaviour. It's people like you who scream "1984!" at any suggestion of a GPS-enabled cell phone that parents can track, or RFID school passes that make sure kids are in class, or any other tools created to help parents do exactly what you (at least for now) are demanding parents do.

I think this deserves a name -- let's call it the Slashdot Fallacy: The erroneous equation of one group of people with another group of people merely because the two groups happen to cohabitate on a certain website.

So it's the same people who are taking one position and then another? Do you have links to comments to back that up?

It takes a village.... (3, Insightful)

lysium (644252) | about 9 years ago | (#13811087)

Sorry for the rant but I'm past the point of believing the crap about it takes a village to raise a child. How about it takes a concerned parent (single or plural) to raise a child.

See, that responsibility is important and all, but the nuclear family is a relic of the past age. If the parents you mention fail to be concerned enough, we as the metaphorical village get stuck with the sociopathic loser for the next 30-60 years. Their responsibility becomes our responsibility.

Also keep in mind that nothing in American society comes close to the "it takes a village" philosophy. Our society is still nuclear-family at its core, and will not be changing any time soon.

Depends on Performance (5, Interesting)

debrain (29228) | about 9 years ago | (#13810833)

In general, this is a 'contract to the world', an offer of reward on completion. It's often called a "race across the desert", a unilateral contract with neither consideration nor quid pro quo. The first one who completes the contract gets the reward. If revoked prior to completion, you generally have no recourse. If that is not the case, there are two common ways to sue, or offer as a baseline for negotition, for failure to fulfill his end of the promise.

First, if you complete the contract first and give sufficient notification of such, and it is prior to his unilateral revocation, you can argue that he breached the contract. As the first person across the line, you are typically entitled to the reward. Breach of that may entitle you to estop the contract. In other words, entitlement to fulfillment of his promise.

Second, if you say that you relied on his contract and had sufficient reason to believe that the contract would be fulfilled (i.e. there is precedent for this type of contract, e.g. auctions for services to be rendered; or it would be unreasonable economic policy to not enforce payment because your reliance on his statement was reasonable and it would be poor form to permit his type of statement when it incurs your type of economically inefficient reliance), you might be able to sue for your costs, your lost opportunity, or his benefit.

Re:Depends on Performance (4, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | about 9 years ago | (#13810990)

"estop the contract"

In my line of work, an "e-stop" (Emergency Stop) usually means that a potentially dangerous machine just got shut down in a hurry to prevent damage. This frequently involves a bright red, mushroom shaped button, prominently placed on a console or control panel. It is really too bad that we can't E-Stop the average malfunctioning attorney the same way:

Citizen 1: "Whoa, Bob! That Jack dude is running wild again!"

Citizen 2: "Quick, hit the estop!"

Re:Depends on Performance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13811011)

With due respect to someone who appears to be an attorney, there is a third theory besides the two that you presented -- breach of contract and quasi-contract. A 'contract to the world', a.k.a. a unilateral contract, can also be made irrecovable by part performance. In fact, I would suggest that this is a stronger theory than quasi-contract because it would be quite difficult to prove the value of producing this type of game/modification (whether you cast it as costs to produce or benefit received), whereas it is quite easy to prove the terms of the offer. It also helps that the offered benefit was a donation to charity, and there is a strong public policy in favor of enforcing promises to make charitable donations.

Tycho (4, Interesting)

Anita Coney (648748) | about 9 years ago | (#13810841)

Tycho called this one already. When Penny Arcade's last Jack Thompson comic came out Tycho wrote the following:

"Of course, he's not serious. Machination is too glorified a word for what he's doing. Ruse would make it seem debonair. He's essentially holding money hostage from charity, and if someone did make it, even as a joke, he would say that it didn't conform to his "design." This sort of thing is usually called a shell-game."

http://www.penny-arcade.com/news.php?date=2005-10- 14 [penny-arcade.com]

Off course it was satire (2, Funny)

Scrameustache (459504) | about 9 years ago | (#13810844)

A lawyer offering to give money to charity? Who could fall for that?! ;- )

Who is Jack Thompson? (1, Insightful)

CyricZ (887944) | about 9 years ago | (#13810858)

I'm over here on the other side of the Atlantic, so perhaps that's why I haven't heard of this Jack Thompson fellow. Who exactly is he, and why should I care what he has to say?

Re:Who is Jack Thompson? (4, Informative)

ForumTroll (900233) | about 9 years ago | (#13810914)

Jack Thompson [wikipedia.org]

I don't think I understand... (1)

OneByteOff (817710) | about 9 years ago | (#13810870)

I dont think I understand the witch hunt lately with regards to violence/nudity in video games. Lets say that violence in video games is designed to mimic real life (which IMO it's not), is that saying that we should not accept real life?, or expose our kids to it?.

A 17 year old can goto the middle east and take someone's head off in real life but can't do it in a video game?. 13 year olds (and younger prolly) are having sex, but they can't buy a game with a pixelated breast in it?. Perhaps we should censor classic paintings depicting naked breasts with 18+ ratings, and make you show ID to buy the newspaper?.

Lets face it, real life is NOT sunshine and roses, lets not force video games to try to be either....

Re:I don't think I understand... (1)

TooMuchEspressoGuy (763203) | about 9 years ago | (#13810973)

You mean like a certain Mr. John Ashcroft, who censored the statue of justice during press conferences because it was bearing a breast?

Ah, is there anything more ironic than an attorney general covering up a representation of what he's supposed to support.

Re:I don't think I understand... (1)

trongey (21550) | about 9 years ago | (#13811064)

Ah, is there anything more ironic than an attorney general covering up a representation of what he's supposed to support.

That's not ironic. That's using art to express reality.

Jack's game scenario (5, Informative)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | about 9 years ago | (#13810940)

I can't believe that Jack Thompson offered 10 grand to charity if a game where animals hump your leg was made.

Oh, it wasn't that at all? Well, you know if someone had fucking LINKED THE ORIGINAL THING THAT JACK WROTE then I would have known that. Goddamn.

I found this description of the original hoo-hah:

  Essentially, the game involves Osaki Kim, a father whose son was "beaten to death with a baseball bat by a 14-year-old gamer." The guilty party was "only" sentenced to life, even after finding a connection to video games and the murder, so O.K. (as Thompson abbreviates) goes on a killing spree to avenge his son - he kills the publisher (Take This, a not-so-subtle reference to San Andreas publisher Take Two), followed by all parties involved in the trial, merchants of GameStop-like store and arcades - and, of course, any cops that get in his way.


You're welcome.

Re:Jack's game scenario (1)

jabber01 (225154) | about 9 years ago | (#13811117)

I don't know about the playability of such a game, but it's got Summer Blockbuster written all over it!

Can we get The Rock to star, and Peter Jackson to direct?

One thing that has always puzzled me (1)

Y-Crate (540566) | about 9 years ago | (#13810959)

A lot of geeks who become wealthy spend enormous sums of cash on fulfilling their long-held geek fantasies.

With that in mind, I haven't seen any commissioning games that meet their own specifications. I would think that it would be the ultimate geek dream come true and that the added bonus of being able to resell it to the masses with zero risk (because you would have spent the money on developing the game anyway) would be enough to convince someone that it is a good idea.

You wouldn't be faced with making it palatable to everyone, and could focus on the gameplay that suits you.

Who knows their Swift? (1)

bittmann (118697) | about 9 years ago | (#13810994)

Hmmm...is this a copy-and-paste directly from the man's email?
"...To be fair, though, you can't expect a bunch of gamers to understand the satire if they think that Jonathon Swift, the author of 'A Modest Proposal,' is the name of a new Nike running shoe..."
...If so, he may be right, then. I'm pretty sure that most uf us that do know actually think that Jonathan Swift wrote "A Modest Proposal". And, for all I know, maybe there really *are* running shoes by that name?

Poor Jack (1)

Frazbin (919306) | about 9 years ago | (#13811002)

Jack Thompson, at a press conference with Cubics professor Gene Ray today, is quoted as saying "Gleeko flarny blutnot spoing. Scam bananna mongo charves. The Jews ate my T-Shirt! Gah!" Jack Thompson-- Real Life Troll

Damn (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | about 9 years ago | (#13811006)

I was hoping he was rescinding his other offer [slashdot.org] .

stop feeding him (2, Interesting)

tehwebguy (860335) | about 9 years ago | (#13811030)

this guy is a nutcase. ask anyone who has known him personally (like my dad). you guys are just feeding him. he eats this stuff up.

as great as it is to see penny arcade bothering the sad old dirtbag, he would be much more provoked if no one gave a crap what he said. everyone knows he's an idiot, so lets let this old man die lonely and ignored

Poster has it wrong (2, Interesting)

Hoss Z (921320) | about 9 years ago | (#13811052)

The mod does not fit the bill at all - other than the fact there is a lot of violence involved. The mod is only "Defemation of Character", as advertised; it has little do with Thomspon's scenario.

Gaming companies need to seriously address the issues Thompson brings up. I find particularly pursuasive his analogy to cigarette advertisements as well as the real world examples that have been coming up for the last seven years or so.

Hypocrisy? (1)

strAtEdgE (151030) | about 9 years ago | (#13811065)

"...he claims his earlier proposal was merely intended as satire, to "highlight the patent hypocrisy and recklessness exhibited by the video game industry's willingness to target cops, women, homosexuals, and other groups with some of their violent games.""

Someone should point out to this guy examples such as Quake 3 Arena where the developers have included likenesses of themselves in the game as characters to be obliterated. I'm sure some finger-in-ear LAA-LAA-LAAAAing would ensue.

In Breach of Unilateral Contract? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13811082)

IANAL (neither is Mr. Thompson), but couldn't his promise to pay $10k to charity be construed as a unilateral contract that he is now in breach of?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unilateral_contract [wikipedia.org] (scroll down for definition of Unilateral contract)

Asshole (1)

goarilla (908067) | about 9 years ago | (#13811090)

what an asshole
judges should sentence him to pro bono work for life
cheap bastard
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