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Media Players for Windows Without DRM?

Cliff posted about 9 years ago | from the just-play-the-bloody-thing dept.

Media 85

jasonmicron asks: "I am curious as to what you Linux/UNIX people use for a media player that supports both license lookup on the internet and DVD Playback support. I am quite sick of Microsoft's media player telling me that my 'license is invalid', even on DVDs that I own. I find that VERY lame. I ask because not only does Microsoft tell me that my license is invalid but Real Network's Real Player tells me the same thing (even though I place my totally VALID and self-owned DVD in my DVD-ROM player in my DVD-ROM, which runs on Windows). What media players does Slashdot recommend to bypass the total ignorance of Microsoft and Real Networks? I am looking for a Windows solution, though any Linux / UNIX solution is completely welcome."

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Mplayer32 (4, Insightful)

Omniscientist (806841) | about 9 years ago | (#13812466)

The 32 bit binary of mplayer will be all that you need. The 64 bit version of mplayer will lack some important windows/quicktime codecs, but you probably aren't worried about that.

Mplayer is available for a multitude of platforms, including Windows, Mac OS X, and *nix. In fact my girlfriend uses mplayer and mplayer only on her Mac OS X due to Quicktime being unable to play a large amount of movies.
Of course if you want dvd playback you will need libdvdcss, libdvdread, etc.
Get mplayer here [mplayerhq.hu] .

Re:Mplayer32 (1)

TRIEventHorizon (744457) | about 9 years ago | (#13812695)

IRRELEVANT TO PARENT (in the sense of mplayer)

Just grab yourself the windvd 7 trial, try it out, and either:
a) if you are honest, purchase the license for it
b) get firefox, kill java, grab keygen for windvd 7 and make/forge your license :)

*disclaimer*
this post does not promote use of keygens/cracks/invalid serials, please mod approprietly!

Re:Mplayer32 (2, Informative)

Blakey Rat (99501) | about 9 years ago | (#13812816)

FYI, mplayer on OS X has a really, really bad user interface. You can tell it was a port, and a poorly-done port at that... it took me probably a half hour to figure out how to quit. See, instead of the one Dock icon every OS X program gets, mplayer for some reason has two Dock icons... one of which works (has quit, minimize, etc) and one of which appears to do nothing at all. If you click in the movie window, (the nonfunctional Dock icon) you can't quit the program, use any services, or do anything at all because there's no menu.

In short, if you like a smooth user experience, avoid mplayer, at least on OS X. VLC is much, much better and plays DVDs like a champ.

Re:Mplayer32 (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about 9 years ago | (#13812928)

What? You get a GUI? Us poor windows people have to use the CLI (at least as far as I can see). Not that it isn't powerful (I actually like it, but I'm abnormal).

Re:Mplayer32 (1)

flarn (578125) | about 9 years ago | (#13814987)

windows mplayer does have a gui.

Re:Mplayer32 (0)

Kris_J (10111) | about 9 years ago | (#13815099)

The version I use doesn't. I don't recall specifically selecting the CLI version, but it sounds like something I might do.

Re:Mplayer32 (1)

Grab (126025) | about 9 years ago | (#13815551)

No it doesn't. It has a window that appears, but only the terminally incompetent would call that piece of shite an "interface", because it isn't actually possible to do anything with it. Unless they've made *major* strides in the last 3 months, of course, in which case my apologies...

Grab.

Re:Mplayer32 (1)

feijai (898706) | about 9 years ago | (#13819902)

What? You get a GUI? Us poor windows people have to use the CLI (at least as far as I can see). Not that it isn't powerful (I actually like it, but I'm abnormal).
Must be fun watching the DVD in ASCII art then. :-)

Re:Mplayer32 (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about 9 years ago | (#13820332)

You know what I mean :)

Re:Mplayer32 (1)

jonadab (583620) | about 9 years ago | (#13815952)

> I think typing "I, for one" is redundant and annoying. Stop it.

I, for one, welcome our new redundantly-welcomed "I, for one"-typing redundant overlords.

Is SlashDot set to half-duplex? (1)

leonbrooks (8043) | about 9 years ago | (#13816654)

Just checking.

Re:Mplayer32 (1, Informative)

biryokumaru (822262) | about 9 years ago | (#13813864)

Both Xine [xinehq.de] and VLC [videolan.org] are based on the mplayer code. In Linux GUIs, Xine is the clear choice (mplayer beating it out for consoles). Many of my Windows friends extol the virtues of VLC, but it leaves much to be desired in its Linux implementation.

Re:Mplayer32 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13814570)

WTF? I don't know about VLC, but Xine is certainly not based on MPlayer

Re:Mplayer32 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13814970)

VLC isn't either.

Re:Mplayer32 (1)

FireFlie (850716) | about 9 years ago | (#13817173)

True, however I would second both as valid choices. I have had bad luck with mplayer on my linux machine (fedora), but on linux I have had great luck with Xine, and on OS X VLC is just a great program.

Re:Mplayer32 (1)

rsdavis9 (262908) | about 9 years ago | (#13817880)

While I recommend mplayer and vlc as others have. I also recommend bsplayer and powerdvd. Powerdvd is the only player that can play dvds w/o skipping on my via C3 1ghz processor. It seems to be the only one that takes advantage of the hardware mpeg decoder.
Powerdvd is not free but keys can be found.
bsplayer is free and seems pretty fast but is suceptible(sp?) to codec havoc
mplayer comes with its own codec lib
vlc also comes with its own codev lic.

Vlc while not being based on mplayer code admits that they use mplayer code.

Re:Mplayer32 (1)

smindinvern (920345) | about 9 years ago | (#13830229)

Of course if you want dvd playback you will need libdvdcss, libdvdread, etc.

actually, I believe that the newest releases of mplayer for windows have all that built in, I've played dvd's with mplayer on a fresh install of windows without installing anything extra

VLC (5, Informative)

Omega1045 (584264) | about 9 years ago | (#13812474)

VLC [videolan.org] is a great, cross platform media player. I run it on Windows and it works well - it actually performs better than WinDVD on my laptop. It will play a number of file formats as well. I think it is also open source.

Re:VLC (1)

Goalie_Ca (584234) | about 9 years ago | (#13812897)

I use it for mac as well for videos of all kinds (but the os x dvd player is excellent).
I also love to use ogle for linux to watch dvd's.

It is open source (1)

Ayanami Rei (621112) | about 9 years ago | (#13812970)

nt

Re:VLC (2, Informative)

wed128 (722152) | about 9 years ago | (#13813990)

The best part is it comes with most codecs built in... installing codecs on most players is such a pain in the ass!

Re:VLC (1)

mibus (26291) | about 9 years ago | (#13814951)

VLC is a great, cross platform media player.

Most definately. I use it under Windows, Linux, and OSX. (Under Linux I'm more likely to fire up MPlayer, but that's due to it dealing better with my slow hardware).

Re:VLC (1)

Chris_Jefferson (581445) | about 9 years ago | (#13816660)

I hate "me too" posts, but I'm going to make an exception here.

VLC is great. Mplayer can play slightly more bizarre video formats, but it can be very hard to get to work, espically for a beginner. VLC is complete self-contained (no downloading of lots of weird conflicting subtitle / codec packages), plays every video file I've ever wanted to play. On windows in parcticular, it is much easier to use it to watch things like fansubs, as it doesn't require downloading codec packages.

Also, very usefully, on both windows and mac it doesn't do DVD region encoding. On my ibook I haven't been able to find a region-coding hack, but VLC just ignores it anyway, allowing me to easily watch all my DVDs. The same thing happens on windows. It's one of the two programs I always carry around on my USB key (the other being firefox).

Not just that... (1)

mindaktiviti (630001) | about 9 years ago | (#13816700)

- VLC plays movies that you're currently downloading, - VLC plays fragmented files (i.e. 30% completed torrent downloads), - Quicktime files, DVDs, SVCDs, VCDs, even music files There have only been 1-2 files that I wasn't able to play with VLC, and even then the audio still played (which wasn't sufficient but shows that the software tried anyway). I never download any other player anymore, this one has all the codecs and capabilities.

here's what i use (3, Informative)

real_smiff (611054) | about 9 years ago | (#13812477)

Good media players: ZoomPlayer [inmatrix.com] (for DVD playback is not free) or MPC [sourceforge.net] (is, but less pretty). use Dscaler5 [sourceforge.net] and ffdshow [esby.free.fr] and you're set. oh, add something like DVD43 [dvd43.com] for de-CSS and other bullshit removal. I use this on my HTPC and with some careful setup its the bees knees. Certainly nothing complains about piracy here :D. Glad to be of service.

Where have you been? (1)

diamondmagic (877411) | about 9 years ago | (#13812479)

Get on the Linux bandwagon, man!

VideoLan Client (2, Informative)

mike_lynn (463952) | about 9 years ago | (#13812485)

http://videolan.org/ [videolan.org]

A player and oh so much more.

Also, next time try Google. Really.

Overkill (3, Funny)

c0d3h4x0r (604141) | about 9 years ago | (#13812489)

Dear Slashdot,

The lightswitch in my bedroom stopped working, so I'm wondering what other types of housing options might work for me. Should I switch to living in a cave, a hut, or a bamboo shack? Or should I just bulldoze my entire home and rebuild a new on in its place? Please help as I am desperate to get my lightswitch working again. Thanks.

- L. Oozer

Re:Overkill (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13812540)

No kidding...

It sounds like a CODEC problem to me, since both players are having that problem. I would guess that even if he installs another media player, he'll have the same problem.

Re:Overkill (1)

telstar (236404) | about 9 years ago | (#13812604)

"It sounds like a CODEC problem to me, since both players are having that problem. I would guess that even if he installs another media player, he'll have the same problem."

The guy is planning on switching operating systems to get his DVD to work ... I'm guessing it'll solve his DVD problem, but it's guaranteed to supply Slashdot with a whole slew of Linux configuration submissions from him.

Get him to use Mandriva Linux (1)

leonbrooks (8043) | about 9 years ago | (#13816681)

Once he finds the Mandriva Control Centre in the menus (AKA "Configure this computer"), problem solved.

Re:Overkill (4, Interesting)

thegrassyknowl (762218) | about 9 years ago | (#13813079)

It sounds like a CODEC problem to me, since both players are having that problem. I would guess that even if he installs another media player, he'll have the same problem.

It sounds like a Spyware problem to me. Real and Windows Media Player all talk back to their creator every time you play a file. You can turn it off, but tcpdump on my router shows otherwise. They can get fscked for all I care. I don't particularly want M$ or Real knowing my viewing habbits.

This has nothing to do with a broken light switch and living in a cave. Real and windows media player are the worst two players in existance. I think this is more about coming out of a cave and finally finding a program that can play many more media types and can handle partial (still downloading) and corrupted (bit rot on my CDRs) files with style and grace. I know Windows Media Player takes out the OS when you give it a file with some errors and ask it to play full screen. At least mplayer just detects the errors and exits gracefully!

Re:Overkill (1)

jimmytango829 (742272) | about 9 years ago | (#13817778)

"I don't particularly want M$ or Real knowing my viewing habbits." you watch too much pr0n...

Re:Overkill (1)

thegrassyknowl (762218) | about 9 years ago | (#13822759)

you watch too much pr0n...

I watched Will and Grace one time and now M$ thinks I'm gay!

No spyware (1)

jasonmicron (807603) | more than 8 years ago | (#13852565)

I promise you, I have no spyware on my system.

Re:No spyware (1)

thegrassyknowl (762218) | more than 8 years ago | (#13856193)

I promise you, I have no spyware on my system.

So you don't have Windows installed then?

Re:Overkill (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13812584)

You forgot to mention that the lightswitch was made by Microsoft. It's one of the requirements to get published!

Re:Overkill (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13814546)

Dear Mr. Oozer,

Please desist immediately from use of our new Darknesstm operating system trademark.

Thank you

Dewey, Suem and Howe
Corporate Council
Evil Empire, Inc.
Redmond, Washington

3 key options. (3, Informative)

AkaXakA (695610) | about 9 years ago | (#13812513)

Mplayer - Distibuted as MPF on windows, it's not _that_ user friendly, but it plays everything under the sun.

MediaPlayerClassic - Hosted at sourceforge, this recreates the WMP 6 UI and has pretty solid playback. Friendlier than Mplayer, but a tad less solid video playback.

VLC - yup the one and truly. Not too user friendly.

Re:3 key options. (1)

/dev/trash (182850) | about 9 years ago | (#13813577)

If MPlayer plays it all, how come it won't play my oggs?

Re:3 key options. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13814048)

Did you compile it with ogg support? No? That's why. My mplayers play ogg just fine.

Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13812538)

I use and recommend to everyone the K-Lite Codec Pack [codecguide.com] for all your Windows Media needs.

Along with everything else, the Mega Codec Pack includes "Windows Media Player Classic" which despite the name isn't anything to do with Microsoft, though it does clone the interface of Media Player version 6.

I carry the Mega Codec pack around with me on a USB Stick, you can install just one thing or you can install everything. Media Player Classic has built in support for a lot of things (I think including DVD Playback) so I'm sure it'll fit your needs exactly. If it doesn't by itself, the Mega Codec Pack includes plugins for just about any codec you'd ever need, including a DVD Decoder.

I really can't recommend the family of K-Lite codec packs enough, especially the Mega becasue you don't need to install Real Player or Quicktime anymore! It'll install cut down versions of them that have just the bare bones dll's, enough for MPC to play Quicktime/Real clips without needing all the bloat those programs bring on their own.

Give the site a look over, I'm sure it's probably what you're looking for. The Mega pack might be overkill for you, but Media Player Classic I think suits the bill perfectly.

Tim

Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (5, Informative)

BusDriver (34906) | about 9 years ago | (#13812562)

I use and recommend to everyone the K-Lite Codec Pack [codecguide.com] for all your Windows Media needs.

Along with everything else, the Mega Codec Pack includes "Windows Media Player Classic" which despite the name isn't anything to do with Microsoft, though it does clone the interface of Media Player version 6.

I carry the Mega Codec pack around with me on a USB Stick, you can install just one thing or you can install everything. Media Player Classic has built in support for a lot of things (I think including DVD Playback) so I'm sure it'll fit your needs exactly. If it doesn't by itself, the Mega Codec Pack includes plugins for just about any codec you'd ever need, including a DVD Decoder.

I really can't recommend the family of K-Lite codec packs enough, especially the Mega becasue you don't need to install Real Player or Quicktime anymore! It'll install cut down versions of them that have just the bare bones dll's, enough for MPC to play Quicktime/Real clips without needing all the bloat those programs bring on their own.

Give the site a look over, I'm sure it's probably what you're looking for. The Mega pack might be overkill for you, but Media Player Classic I think suits the bill perfectly.

Tim

[Sorry for the double post, I accidently posted this without being logged in. Duh]

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (1)

real_smiff (611054) | about 9 years ago | (#13812605)

not sure about that one, but codec packs are a pretty bad idea, they can install so much crap it'll take hours to work out what happened when something goes wrong with filter merits etc leading often to windows reinstalls. also, they're pretty pointless when ffdshow plays almost everything. i agree that MPC is good though, and it includes a lot of its own splitters so you don't need to install much else.
i think no (free) player includes DVD playback as MPEG2 decoding needs a license (or some part of it, but some open source apps seem to get around it :D).

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (2, Informative)

BusDriver (34906) | about 9 years ago | (#13812777)

I don't know about windows reinstalls just for a codec pack?
I'd used some terrible codec packs before K-Lite and some of them did mess up pretty bad and that's why I praise this one so highly, it's never given me any grief. The few times I have uninstalled it, it's removed everything cleanly.

You're right in that installing all those codecs is really overkill, but don't forget that installing this codec pack also allows you to *encode* as well as decode, something neither MPC or ffdshow will do. As I understand it you also get the visual quality benefit of each seperate decoder, as opposed to ffdshow that just decodes them all as mpeg4. Fro Joe average that's probably not a concern either.

You're right that the DVD Decoder in K-Lite isn't legal, something I probably should have pointed out in my original post.

Tim

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (1)

real_smiff (611054) | about 9 years ago | (#13825831)

your informative spurred me to reply ;)
ffdshow is now an encoder aswell, and handles audio. it's come a long way.

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (1)

BusDriver (34906) | about 9 years ago | (#13836916)

Well I stand corrected, thanks for pointing that out.
I'll hae to investigate ffdshow a bit more, see if it will replace my current use of K-Lite.

I doubt it, but we'll see!

Tim

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (1)

SirPavlova (871168) | more than 8 years ago | (#13890526)

FFDShow can't do Quicktime, RealMedia or WMV, but it can decode pretty much all types of MPEG. If you're looking for another codec pack, steer clear of almost all, including K-Lite. K-Lite is just a bundler - it doesn't change the default settings or anything, so nothing works together. It's also got a lot of stuff you will never need, & more that's redundant.

Personally I like this one: the Combined Community Codec Pack [kickassanime.org] . It's made by a bunch of anime fansubbers, so they know what they're doing, but it's not anime-only. You need to install separate codecs for Quicktime, RealMedia, & WMV, but once they're installed (just install the players) it'll play back anything you throw at it. It's the only codec pack I know of that'll do that; all the others mess with your system & fail sporadically. K-Lite doesn't screw up the system any more, so it's one of the best, but it's still just a bundle of unconfigured pieces rather than an integrated whole.

I wish I could find a cross between K-Lite & the CCCP... basically I want the CCCP to include the Quicktime etc. codecs. That's the only advantage K-Lite has over the CCCP. You could theoretically use K-Lite first to install just those codecs then put the CCCP over the top to get the proper configuration it gives.

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | about 9 years ago | (#13813633)

Thats why codec packs that I've used always go in /usr/local/lib/win32

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13814487)

If you were remotely as smart as you tried to act, you would realize this is a registration/configuration issue and has nothing to do with what directories the codecs go into.

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13815002)

Actually, putting your codecs in the linux /usr/local/lib/win32 directory IS a solution to your windows registration/configuration issues :P

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (1)

a11 (716827) | about 9 years ago | (#13820753)

And if you were remotely as smart as I am, you would realize the parent has his unix box set up to run windows codecs (I'm assuming wmv type of crap). but you're not. you are a poser who shows what a true ignorant fool he is by dissing others for being stupid w/o any understanding of what they are talking about. Did I mention that I am good-looking, successful, frequently get laid ... something about my beautiful dick, and you are fat and ugly and your wife, ..and something about your 2 friends, and la la la la...and.whatever. I just give up with you fucktards.

I'll just put it this way, not joking. You are slightly smarter than the average moron here. What makes you stupid is you assume you know the answer so don't bother to check it or learn anything. There are people like myself who also like to put people down. creatively. I, however, make sure I understand wtf I'm talking about before opening the can. Most importantly, I make sure I fully understand what the other person has just said. You do not. You're like - I don't get a part of what the guy is saying - so he must be an idiot - let me diss him and show off what dumbass I am.

The big thing is you don't even notice how stupid you actually come out looking. in your little world, you ignore the fact that you act the fool and build up this obliviously ignorant sense of apathy annoys me so.

No joking, I am a geek, like the real, true, math-engineering-atheist-physics-programmer geeks of Slashdot. Unlike most of them, however, my weight is 170 lbs at 5.11, and I bench 500 lbs 8 times. Let me show you how hard I can punch your shit-filled head off of your zit-covered lanyard-wearing asspony nigger neck. go make your bland attempt at satire somewhere else, you useless waste of space. 22.4 liters of a gas with the same density as your brain at standard temperature and pressure would be 6.02*10^22 molecules. aah yeah.

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13864884)

isn't it 10^23?

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (1)

a11 (716827) | more than 8 years ago | (#13877450)

yes, a mol is 10^23. I'll give you a hint: its a joke about the density of his brain matter.

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (1)

Phil John (576633) | about 9 years ago | (#13815334)

IIRC, VideoLan plays back DVD's out of the box. MPEG2 is only licensed in countries where software patents are valid, VideoLan is developed in France which I believe does not have them, ergo, free and legal.

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (1)

Compuser (14899) | about 9 years ago | (#13812722)

Weird, it does not include the best codec out there (hmm, well, imho):
Lagarith. Dunno why, it's a free codec.

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (1)

BusDriver (34906) | about 9 years ago | (#13812803)

Probably because there's little content (at least in the wider public) in that format?
I'd never heard of it until you mentioned it.
I'm not sure what the entry criteria is for a codec to make it in though, because there's quite a few in it already I've not really heard or ever needed.

Re:Check Out The K-Lite Codec Pack (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13813734)

Using WMP Classic and the K-Lite pack does nothing to remove the DRM features which are inherent in Windows Media.

Although I suspect the poster is a bit confused because he is really looking for DRM-free media, not a DRM-free player.

Best free solution. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13812565)

The best one-stop solution is the K-Lite Mega Codec pack:

http://home.hccnet.nl/h.edskes/mirror.htm [hccnet.nl]

It includes Media Player Classic (the best player for Windows, also available from here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/ [sourceforge.net] ), and a bunch of codecs, including the DVD, XViD, DivX and Quicktime codecs. That site is the official one (with the content hosted on edskes.com), but beware of spyware-laden versions on other sites that require you to "register" or "donate".

Note that some of the contents are technically illegal in the US as no licence fees have been paid for a few of the codecs that use MPG principals. Which is why it's hosted offshore and also why it shouldn't be charged for. It's also infinitely more useful than any commercial offering.

The other famous codec pack is the Gordian Knot codec and ripper packs, but I don't think they are sufficient to play DVDs:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gordianknot [sourceforge.net]

Why is license seen as invalid by WMP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13812630)

Does anyone know *why* WMP is telling the poster that his license is invalid? Since Microsoft has its own decryption key from DVD Forum, that should never happen, should it?

Re:Why is license seen as invalid by WMP? (2, Interesting)

c0d3h4x0r (604141) | about 9 years ago | (#13812656)

Maybe it's due to region encoding mismatch between the disc and the drive.

Maybe it's due to something having gotten corrupt with the poster's registry or DLL files.

Maybe it's due to a failing DVD-ROM drive.

Re:Why is license seen as invalid by WMP? (1)

jasonmicron (807603) | more than 8 years ago | (#13852574)

Possible, but it seems to happen mainly with Paramount DVDs. Any Enterprise DVD placed in my drive gives me this error as does any movie made by Paramount. It does happen with other publishers from time to time.

Well (-1, Flamebait)

lbmouse (473316) | about 9 years ago | (#13812636)

Bill Gates Doesn't Care About Linux/UNIX people.

Winamp (2, Insightful)

Creos073 (763208) | about 9 years ago | (#13812653)

I use winamp for music, and a lot of the time I just use it for videos, too.

Most like its not DRM (4, Insightful)

Utopia (149375) | about 9 years ago | (#13812657)

Your time-limited DVD playback software has probably expired.
Media Player by itself will not display 'license is invalid' message for normal DVD playback.

You just need to buy a new DVD decoder.
NVidia PureVideo Decoder or WinDVD are some of the best around.

Re:Most like its not DRM (4, Insightful)

rmjohnso (891555) | about 9 years ago | (#13812770)

I think the parent commentor is on the right track here. Windows Media Player and Real Player CANNOT natively decode DVDs. They require a licensed decoder in the background. WMP and RP just are different looks to the same decoder.

For example, you can install WinDVD and have WMP or RP use the WinDVD decoding to play back DVDs. I'm not sure why anyone would want to do this, but that's just me. Remember, you USUALLY have to pay for a decoder, so the software maker can pay the monolithic MPAA for the CSS keys.

As for Linux programs, see the other comments about MPlayer, VLC, Xine, etc.

This is NOT DRM (3, Insightful)

malakai (136531) | about 9 years ago | (#13813549)

After all, if it was true DRM, switching to another player wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. If the content was locked and encoded with DRM technology.

Nope, instead the parent post is most certainly right. WMP9/10 will not prevent you via any DRM mechanism from watching a DVD. The DRM technology is for downloaded and locked content. Examples of such content? I don't really know of any. It's one of those things they spent a lot of money to build but no market for it yet.

The error message you are getting, and the fact you get the same message via WMP and RealPlayer is likely because they both are using the same CODEC for DVD data. The CODEC has expired. Remeber, by default Windows out of the box (Excluding Plus+ Pack) can't play DVDs. So you had to install something to make it work (unless the OEM pre-installed something) and that something appears to have been a trial only.

But, it is funny how well trained you are to immediately think DRM/MS conspiracy to prevent you from playing your legitimatly own DVDs. Shows the OpenSource FUD is working.

It wont be long now until Microsoft^h^h^h^$oft is groveling at the feet of the supreme GNU council begging for a seat at the table...

Oh how they'll pay....

Re:This is NOT DRM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13813690)

Um, no they won't. Free software, remember?

Re:This is NOT DRM (1)

arkanes (521690) | about 9 years ago | (#13815958)

Actually, it's still DRM - the codec automatically de-activiting itself is DRM, and the fact that the codec is proprietary at all is DRM - because the codec is used to decode the DRM features on the DVD itself. This is actually a perfect example of the hassles that legitimate users get with DRM, that simply do not effect non-legitimate users.

Re:This is NOT DRM (1)

bmetzler (12546) | about 9 years ago | (#13821505)

This is actually a perfect example of the hassles that legitimate users get with DRM, that simply do not effect non-legitimate users.

I'm not buying that for a million dollars. Are you saying that you shouldn't have to license software DVD players to play your DVD's? What about hardware DVD players? Why should I have to buy a DVD player to legimately play a DVD (that I purchased) on my TV. It's a riot, I tell you! TOTALLY unacceptable. I say that we force the media consortium to give a free hardware DVD player to anyone who wants to play a DVD they purchased.

Now, where were we? Oh yeah, non-free software DVD players. I'm not really seeing an issue with that, are you?

-Brent

WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13812710)

I've never had a problem playing a DVD in windows media player, ever. And I use it for my primary player. It even plays all my ripped DVDs. Perhaps there is something wrong with your decoder? However, when setting up WMP, I deselected the option to manage liscenses. Did you do this? Go to tools, options. Deselect "prompt me to back up my liscense", under privacy deselect "acquire liscenses automatically". Although I'm not sure if that would work, as you are having a problem in realplayer as well.

videolan (2, Insightful)

mnmn (145599) | about 9 years ago | (#13812741)

you mean you can play dvds in other media players than videolan?

Other Issues (1)

fm6 (162816) | about 9 years ago | (#13812792)

I am quite sick of Microsoft's media player telling me that my 'license is invalid', even on DVDs that I own.
Even so, you're more tolerant of Media Player's shortcomings than I am. When I watch a DVD, I usually just want to open the main menu and watch the DVD the way it was programmed to be watched. (One exception: stupid spammish DVDs that try to make you sit through a lot of commercials before the main menu.) No obvious way to do that in Media Player.

I almost always use Power DVD, which I would never buy (a tad buggy) but which came free with my DVD drive.

Re:Other Issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13824040)

I almost always use Power DVD, which I would never buy (a tad buggy) but which came free with my DVD drive.
Which means you bought it.

Re:Other Issues (1)

oberondarksoul (723118) | about 9 years ago | (#13829061)

I dislike adverts/intros you're "not allowed" to fast-forward immensely. Sadly, DVD Player on Mac OS X won't let you skip them using the controls, but there's a workaround which might work for PowerDVD and others, too: create a bookmark of the menus. This should skip right to them, with no fuss.

Editing? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13813063)

Does anyone actually check the grammer/sense of these submissions before posting them?

(even though I place my totally VALID and self-owned DVD in my DVD-ROM player in my DVD-ROM, which runs on Windows)

What media players does Slashdot recommend to bypass the total ignorance of Microsoft and Real Networks? Not to mention the runon sentace at the beginning of the paragraph

Re:Editing? (2, Insightful)

miTcixelsyD (754878) | about 9 years ago | (#13814747)

Well, checking the grammAr would be a nice thing, yes.

Re:Editing? (1)

Patrik_AKA_RedX (624423) | about 9 years ago | (#13816341)

Nobody checks *anything* on /. The articles are only there to set the topic of the threads. What did you think this site was? A news site or something? :-D

Real Player (3, Interesting)

NullProg (70833) | about 9 years ago | (#13814061)

Real Network's Real Player tells me the same thing (even though I place my totally VALID and self-owned DVD in my DVD-ROM player in my DVD-ROM, which runs on Windows).

I had this problem with NFL direct. Enable cookies and your content should play. The new Real Player now defaults to secure mode (no cookies) which I appreciate. Works under Linux and Win32.

Enjoy,

Translation (0, Troll)

mike_sucks (55259) | about 9 years ago | (#13814343)

"I downloaded the Paris Hilton sex video but I can't crack the encryption. How can I view my pr0n without having to pay?"

PS (0)

mike_sucks (55259) | about 9 years ago | (#13815064)

Anyone know where *I* can get a copy? ;)

get a clue! (2, Insightful)

bonezed (187343) | about 9 years ago | (#13814515)

media player classic and klite codec pack or just VLC

not real hard to use Google

Your problem seems a bit strange... (1)

Digital Dharma (673185) | about 9 years ago | (#13816042)

I have a huge collection of DVDs myself, some are legit and some are not. I also have home movies on DVD. I have never, ever been informed that my license is invalid (except for when I've downloaded pr0n with the spyware "license" embedded. Are you sure this isn't what's happening with you *wink wink*?) for any of them, including the backup DVDs I've made for "archival purposes". WMP is still the best media player around for the money (i.e., free), and it exceeds my expectations in nearly every area of operation. Don't get me wrong, it definitely has it's low points, like confusing library options and DRM options that have always and will always suck, but for the most part, it works great for me.
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