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quake 4 linux (1, Redundant)

scythe000 (564836) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839798)

It's wonderful to see such a big name company releasing for the open source crowd. I hope others will follow their lead.

God, I Hate Flash. (3, Insightful)

saudadelinux (574392) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839825)

I'd just like to read the info, not have to figure out over-designed interfaces :(

Re:God, I Hate Flash. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839943)

AAARGH!. I'm cant even use the over-designed interface becuase I'm stubbornly waiting for a 64 bit flash for linux.

Re:God, I Hate Flash. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839990)

Shut up, you fucking AMD-fanboi!

Re:quake 4 linux (5, Insightful)

big_groo (237634) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839961)

Praise is good, but your wallet speaks louder. Don't forget to let them know *why* you purchased the game.

Re:quake 4 linux (1)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840001)

I bought Quake 3 on CD that was the Linux version. Not the Windows version then run a Linux installer like UT.

Re:quake 4 linux (3, Insightful)

Krach42 (227798) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840010)

This just didn't work. They released Quake 3 and RTCW on Linux also, but hardly anyone bought those. Sure it's good to let them know you support their Linux clients and servers, because then they'll keep doing the support that they are doing, but it's not going to make other people "wake up" and support Linux or even Mac OS.

Loki tried to market Linux games, and I bought just about every title that they had released, but it didn't save them, because there weren't enough people like me, who were willing to put their money where their mouth was.

Anyways, as much as I appreciate id for releasing Linux binaries and I love Blizzard for supporting the Macintosh, at the same time, don't think that just because some big name is porting their code to a particulr platform that you really love, isn't going to make other people do the same.

If it did, then this would be old news because Linux and Mac *would* have the same games that Windows has now. But fact is that these big names have supported Linux/Mac for a long time, and there's still very little more support now than there was before.

Re:quake 4 linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840159)

Sadly, if developers started out with portability in mind (SDL and OpenGL), then porting to different machines wouldn't be such a big deal. Apparently Q4 for Linux uses SDL + OpenGL, though this sort of implies that they didn't use SDL + OpenGL for the windows version (which would be sorta strange).

Re:quake 4 linux (1)

Krach42 (227798) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840219)

Yeah, I totally agree.. that's why Blizzard can actually publish Macintosh title at the same time as their Windows titles, because they write portable games.

It's actually *not* that unusual that id would releaase two seperate graphics engines for Windows and Linux once you learn how they tend to work. They tend to write very highly optimized code-paths for anything that would benefit from this. Considering that Windows Vista will seriously damage OpenGL performance, and actually Windows OpenGL performance is massively less optimized than DirectX performance, it only makes sense that id would release a DirectX code path to support Windows as fast as they can.

id kind of takes a different approach to portability. They don't really so much write portable code, but write fast code for each ported OS, and video card. Yeah, I know it's weird, but it allows them to have some of the best performance in games than just about anyone else, and it works for them.

Re:quake 4 linux (1)

GiMP (10923) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840167)

Yeah... because ID has never supported Linux on any of their products before. ;-) But you're right, it is nice... and I must admit that having a Quake port essentially sold me on Linux (otherwise I would've needed to keep DOS around!)

The first time I saw Linux, my friend demonstrated rendering the original Quake in a window, while running Netscape 3, and an xterm. Of course, seeing all of that, I was hooked... I ran home, fired up xmodem, and started downloading my first slackware install ;-)

Wow.. I'm feeling old ;-)

Sweet (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839800)

I am really looking forward to this. ID makes quality software, and even better, it can run on Linux. Frag away

Re:Sweet (1)

StonedRat (837378) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839906)

I believe the game was developed by Raven Software, who also did the Soldier of Fortune games as well as Hexen 2 and Heretic 2. I'm not sure how much id had to do with the actual development of the game other than the engine of course.

Wait (4, Funny)

temojen (678985) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839805)

I've been living under a rock... is Quake 4 out yet for other OSs?

Re:Wait (2, Informative)

gunpowda (825571) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839819)

Yeah, I felt compelled to check this too. From ID's official site [idsoftware.com] :

We are pleased to announce that QUAKE 4 for the PC is done, and will begin shipping on Tuesday, October 18th! The game will be arriving at retailers beginning Wednesday, October 19th.

Re:Wait (5, Funny)

SkjeggApe (649721) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839912)

God, I hate when games for linux are only available two full days after their windows counterpart. If linux is EVER going to be a viable gaming platform, we need to demand that it's available at the same time as for windows..

Ahhhhh, one day I'll be able to make a statement like that with a straight face....

great job, id!!!!!

Re:Wait (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840258)

Well, the sad side of that coin are the linux users who really can't wait a whole two days to get a game. They're the bastiches that made the Quake3 linux sales suck so badly, because they couldn't wait a whole two weeks.

Then again, maybe by now the lustre has worn of id and they aren't the heroin addicts to id's smack that they used to be.

Yeah, great job id. I didn't even know Q4 was out at all. :)

Re:Wait (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839827)

Apparently we've both been living under a rock. I didn't realize until now either. Yet here we are [amazon.com] . Go figure.

Re:Wait (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839900)

Don't you mean go here [thepiratebay.org] ?

They even changed the ship on their homepage as a tribute ;)

Re:Wait (1, Funny)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839952)

I was at Best Buy this morning, and noticed 40 $10 "prebook" copies of Q4 along the top row of an entire aisle. I asked the kid in blue when it was coming out and he pointed to rows 2-4 of the same aisle.

Doh.

Quake 3 install troll (4, Funny)

Mad Merlin (837387) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839808)

Does this mean that the copy and paste troll about installing Quake 3 in Linux vs Windows will have to find a new troll to copy and paste?

Re:Quake 3 install troll (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839901)

Just replace "Quake" for any other app with heavy dependencies. It won't be that hard...

*ducks flying tomato*

Re:Quake 3 install troll (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840080)

I don't recall QUake 3 being hard, but I remember UT being an absolute bitch. I had to install stuff from CPAN using some arcane command line perl shell.

Thankfully, installations have gotten jsut a tad better since then...

Re:Quake 3 install troll (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840104)

Strange, I usually had to just make sure my CD was at /mnt/cdrom (and mounted of course) and doing something like

sh ut-goty-installer.run

or

sh q3a-test.run

Or whatever their file names were...

Re:Quake 3 install troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840174)

UT was easier to install on linux than on windows.
The installer even came with the No-CD crack included :)

Joking aside, the loki installer was a simple as InstallShield or anything on else like that on windows. The loki games typically came with all dependencies included.
You're linux install would have to be seriously hosed to have problems with UT.

source pleaz? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839810)

wouldn't it be nice??

that was quick (0, Troll)

endersadvocate (920247) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839832)

jee wish they could release linux clients for other games this quick... would be a godsend to the "linux gamerz". and could make x/wine useless. but microsoft would never let this happen lets be realistic

Re:that was quick (1)

lowe0 (136140) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840064)

What say does Microsoft have over studios releasing Linux clients for their games? One of MS' biggest Xbox 360 partners, Epic, has been releasing Linux binaries for years.

Attention Linux Fags! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839835)

Don't forget to snap your thin virgin dicks shut in the CD trays of your crappy *NUS hardware!

close to first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839837)

close to first post

FIRST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839839)

FIRST

ITWIN (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839844)

FIRST POTS

Now if only.. (2, Funny)

inkdesign (7389) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839846)

...these things started happening the day a game is released.

Re:Now if only.. (1)

Roguelazer (606927) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839877)

As opposed to one day later? The game got to retailers yesterday, man.

Re:Now if only.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840076)

Why, thank you for explaining GP's joke to me.

Re:Now if only.. (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840121)

Quake3 test release was for Linux first, then Mac, then Windows. Not sure about the others or the final "gold" releases - linux was probably later.

On the same note though, I wish developers would stop doing Linux server ports if they aren't doing a client port too. And I wish server admins wouldn't run a linux port for a server for a game that has no linux client.

And dammit, I still havent bought enough machine to run Doom3 - now it looks like I'll really have to upgrade.

Wow... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839855)

Does this mean a quake movie in the making? I hope not.

hahaha (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839856)

first post

4 ALREADY!? :( (4, Funny)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839864)

And I just purchased Quake 3... damn!

Re:4 ALREADY!? :( (2, Interesting)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840266)

That makes two of us. It may be a couple more years before I meet the hardware requirements of Quake 4, and find it at Walmart for only $9.95.

Quake 4 is out? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839865)

Damn, either I've really gotten out of the loop, or this has been one of the stealthiest release campaigns for a major game that I've ever seen.

Portage... (0, Flamebait)

Kaylo (877095) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839871)

Now, is it better to get things written for OS X, or is it better to port things for the extra 'cool' factor?

Re:Portage... (2, Informative)

Krach42 (227798) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840038)

Jon Caramack is generally a pretty wicked Apple fan. So expect a client for OSX at some point sooner rather than later.

id software... (2, Funny)

imboboage0 (876812) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839873)

Just because you were (and I say still are) a great innovator in the world of gaming (namely FPS), doesn't mean your site can't be slashdotted.

One question (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839875)

great, but does it run on Linu...oh wait...reading the FA now...

Sorry - 'twas obligatory!

Re:One question (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840163)

Moderators, PLEASE stop modding these 'funny.'

Need RAM! (0, Offtopic)

JhohannaVH (790228) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839876)

Damn, I knew I was checking RAM prices this morning for a reason! :D **WOOOT** I'm rebuilding my PC with a dual boot Linux/XP system (can't VPN in from Linux), and will love it love it love it! :D YAY!!

Re:Need RAM! (2, Informative)

jspraul (146079) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840086)

What VPN support do you need?

MS PPTP? http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] (recommending Suse 10.0)
Cisco has a client which is included in Knoppix.

Just trying to help.

Re:Need RAM! (1)

JhohannaVH (790228) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840146)

Thank you!! Right now, I can only get in via Cisco VPNWorks, and then of course, use Exceed to get the Tru64 servers. BUT!! Now that I have this, I will be able to use native Terminal support, and that's cool! :D YAY! I am still rebuilding, so I'll include this next week. Thank you *so* much! :D

Buy Windows, use on Linux (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839878)

FTA: A licensed copy of Quake 4 retail for Windows(r) is required

Interesting...

Re:Buy Windows, use on Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839919)

Nah, not really interesting. You buy the CD to get access to all the data the game requires. Artwork, sounds, character meshes, etc. The binary executables are a very small part of the Quake experience.

Re:Buy Windows, use on Linux (5, Interesting)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839986)

The cd likely has the artwork to keep the download small, and the cd key of course. Basicly you need to buy the cd, then you can dl and use the linux client.

It also gives ID firm numbers on how many actually use the linux version. So if you bought the game, please dl it.

Re:Buy Windows, use on Linux (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840181)

It also gives ID firm numbers on how many actually use the linux version. So if you bought the game, please dl it.

Actually, it only gives them firm numbers on how many downloads there were. So get out there are stuff the ballot box for the penguin - dl it whether you bought/use it or not.

Re:Buy Windows, use on Linux (1)

GiMP (10923) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840231)

I believe that with Quake 3, every time you quired the master servers, it would authenticate with your key and your OS. ID stored a hash of all keys with the most recently used OS. Of course, you could find out for sure by simply looking at the source... http://www.icculus.org/quake3/ [icculus.org]

Exciting news... (5, Insightful)

ScislaC (827506) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839879)

BUT, couldn't they have made a regular website instead of a flash app that has ridiculously long transitions? I was all interested in checking it out, until I lost interest due to the wait for basic information.

Re:Exciting news... (1)

Ride Jib (879374) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839965)

Agreed. I was anxious to see what their website had to say about all this, only to get stuck for 5 minutes on a "loading" screen. And then every time I hit "back" after viewing something, it had to go through the ENTIRE animation sequence again. Quite annoying.

Demo? (1)

dadragon (177695) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839937)

It's great that they've released this. I hope to be able to play a demo before I buy this game. I've purchased Quake, Quake 2, not Quake 3, hopefully this will be better than Quake 3.

So, how long to people think it will take before there's a playable demo?

Re:Demo? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840006)

Demo? You can get the playable warez copy from your favorite BT site ;)
I actually preorderd mine, but I have some friends that need to play it first to be sure that their rigs can take it.

Q4 webpage (5, Interesting)

Kaptain Kruton (854928) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839958)

Just a note: The quake 4 webpage is flash based. So if you try to access it, either have a broadband connection (and you will still have to wait), or a lot of patience with a modem. Also, if you block pop-ups with firefox, you won't be able to access anything but their main page unless you turn off the pop-up blocker.

One more thing... if a company already has a patches section with the words "Coming Soon" before the game is released, is that suggesting something about the quality of the product?

-Kruton

Re:Q4 webpage (1)

thesnarky1 (846799) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840068)

What software has ever not needed patches? I think its good web development, if you know something's coming, this informs the viewers that they can expect it and won't have to dig when they need it.

Re:Q4 webpage (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840074)

One more thing... if a company already has a patches section with the words "Coming Soon" before the game is released, is that suggesting something about the quality of the product?

It's practically impossible to release a perfect piece of software the first time. Thus, patches.

Often times, the patches will also contain additional content, which is pretty cool.

Re:Q4 webpage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840124)

agreed. this is taking a while on my 36k connection. I wish I had enough money to get a nice speedy satellite connection. I guess I'll buy this game because it has a linux port. I really wasn't thinking about it before.

About the patches section, it seems like a given these days, doesn't it. Games take so long to develop and they are so intricate these days that either you have public beta's or patches.

Re:Q4 webpage (1)

MaXiMiUS (923393) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840177)

Since when? FlashBlock allows you to play flash vids just by clicking on a little icon in them when it blocks one.

Porting My Company's Engine Right Now (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839964)

Thanks to Eclipse, I've pretty much migrated my company's game development over to Linux.

The NVidia OpenGL Linux drivers appear to be up to date and very good.

Honestly, I would have prefered OS X but the Apple OpenGL drivers ARE A FUCKING PATHETIC JOKE. KDE compared to OS X is painful to use. And I sorely miss Cocoa and Interface Builder. Although I do hope there is a special place in hell for the people responsible for Xcode at Apple...

We'll still ship for Microsoft OS's of course, but it is a nice clean feeling to not have to touch that crap on a daily basis anymore.

Just get me a native Linux version of iTunes and I'll be set...

Review - to see if it's Linux worthy (5, Informative)

RUFFyamahaRYDER (887557) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839975)

Here is the IGN review which might help you decide if it's worth putting on the Linux box. http://pc.ign.com/articles/658/658263p1.html [ign.com]

Re:Review - to see if it's Linux worthy (1)

pl1ght (836951) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840007)

There are reviews praising and panning quake 4. They are quite varied. All i can say is that fi you are a quake fan, you will love it. The MP owns. If you only like CS/BF type MP u probably wont.

Another review site (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840065)

The Baltimore City Paper [citypaper.com] also has a very interesting Review of Quake IV. They even talk about the Linux port, and give helpful tips with the installation. Definately worth a look!

Re:Another review site (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840151)

That was actually pretty informative. Thanks.

Can't get to any of it.... (2, Interesting)

HoodCrowd (783572) | more than 8 years ago | (#13839989)

I can't get to any web page, the flash will not let me submit my age. Debian, mozilla, flash, every other we flash-page works but Id's. Oh well no time for games./.

Re:Can't get to any of it.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840123)

1. Develop game for Linux.
2. Make download site incompatible with Linux.
3. Implode at the irony of it all.
4. Profit or Doom? (pun intended) Who knows?

Sinister Voiceover (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13839998)

Quake 4 Linux Version! IMPRESSIVE!

Requires Windows Version! HUMILIATION!

Re:Sinister Voiceover (2, Informative)

temojen (678985) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840092)

windows version does not have to be installed.

Re:Sinister Voiceover (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840170)

But beware! It carries a terrible curse.
Oooh, that's bad.
But it comes with a free Frogurt!
That's good!
The Frogurt is also cursed.
That's bad.
But you get your choice of topping.
That's good.
The toppings contain potassium benzoate. ...... That's bad.
Can I go now?

Re:Sinister Voiceover (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840207)

I'm not sure if I should feel disturbed that this was the same thing that came to my mind... or that someone else also came to the same conclusion.

Someone else feeling disturbed for the same reason(s) would probably make me feel better about it.

Heh (1)

thesnarky1 (846799) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840015)

I know what my roommate's gonna be hearing all tonight "Quad Damage!" Seriously, thanks id for this onderful (I hope, haven't tested yet) release, and as many others have said I hope others companies might see the response to this and do the same. And you might want to send id an email, or post on a forum thanking them because, hey, who doesn't like praise for good work?

Don't forget to register your Linux version! (5, Insightful)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840016)

Be sure to let id know that you bought the Windows package in order to install it on your Linux box. I know id are good guys (as evidenced by how quickly this came out), but it never hurts to let them know exactly how much we appreciate it.

In Other News... (5, Funny)

OneByteOff (817710) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840022)

Jack Thompson today publically voiced his opinion against Linux and against Quake in all shapes and forms... quoted specifically he said :

"Any group of people who advocate giving a Penguin a helmet and a rocket launcher are a bunch of sick fucks..."

News at 10!

Who cares (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840026)

Yay... a crappy game released on a crappy O.S. Craptacular!!!

Yeah1!!! (0, Troll)

Big Troller (651808) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840033)

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The path to increased market share... (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840035)

is through games. This is a great boon to Linux as it would seem that anything built on the Q4 engine should be easily ported to Linux.

-Rick

Re:The path to increased market share... (1)

ninja_assault_kitten (883141) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840133)

Additionally, I'm not sure how this could be construed as a boon to Linux. After all, you still need a Windows system to actually play the game.

Full review and screen shots (2, Informative)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840049)

I was wondering if I was living under a rock since I never heard of quake4?

Turns out Raven software made the port and modified the doom3 engine. For the older slashdoters who remember doom1 and doom2, raven developed heretic and then hexan on the doom1 and doom2 engines and added multiplayer capability. I forgot all about these guys.

A full review and screenshots are here [gamespot.com] . I find it pecuilar that Raven ported this classic level of quake3 to quake4. ... or commonly known as the level where the cheaters with auto-aim and the rail gun whip your butt in.:-) [com.com]

Re:Full review and screen shots (1)

Chicane-UK (455253) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840079)

Cheating aside, 'The Longest Yard' was one of the best Q3 maps ever. I used to play it ALL the time. And, i'd like to point out, sans-autoaim! Was great fun if you could place rockets at peoples feet just before they landed.. they'd just take a crap load of damage and skip off the map into oblivion :)

So glad thats in there. Its almost inspired me enough to go and pick up a copy of Quake IV now.

Am I the only one who's known about Quake 4? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840115)

I saw the reserve boxes at Best Buy months ago. I thought about buying it back in August, but I went with the already-released Battlefield 2.

How does one get to the torrents? (1)

frovingslosh (582462) | more than 8 years ago | (#13840213)

I followed the link on http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/quake4/ [idsoftware.com] to the BitTorrent tracker, but it wants me to "log in" to their site and asks my username and password. Since I have none I can't get in. But I can see that tere are 20 leechers, so a few people must have solved this problem? I would much rather use BitTorrent than FTP, how do I get to the torrents?

Adrain Carmack fired (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13840236)

I've been trying to get this posted here for days so I'll post it here...

It's semi off topic, but id stuff is posted a lot here, so here it goes:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid= 11868 [gamesindustry.biz]
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/27/news_61345 36.html [gamespot.com]

Adrian Carmack (one of 4 founders of id software) was fired over some stock despute (RTFA). What's more interesting (depends how you take it) is that Activision tried buying id for $105 million dollars. Read the rest in the links.
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