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ITunes Australia Goes Live

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the no-cure-in-sight dept.

Media (Apple) 233

daria42 writes "ITunes Australia has finally gone live, after more than a year of waiting. Apple is holding a press conference in Sydney this morning to officially launch the service to the media, but the store has already opened. Like the Japanese ITunes store, it looks like Sony-BMG is not participating."

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Frist P5ot (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868671)

You know what the sad thing is? This idiot editor ScuttleMonkey picked from an obviously massive number of iTunes Australia submissions the one that doesn't write iTunes correctly.

GG SCUTTLEMONKEY! Want a free Ipod?

Re:Frist P5ot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868701)

Cool! I've always been desperate to find some means to shove my hard-earned money down Steve "The Rim" Jobs' greedy throat. I'm so excited, I swear I wet my iPants!

Hooray for Apple! Hooray for Steve "The Rim" Jobs!

Re:Frist P5ot (1)

michaeldot (751590) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869098)

At least Cmdr. Taco didn't pick it up... Then it would have been:

"Less songs than MSN Music. No Sony. Lame."

Re:Frist P5ot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13869101)

Wow man, that was so funny! LOLOLO /sarcasm

fp (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868674)

nice url

Mod up dumbasses (3, Informative)

FullCircle (643323) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868681)

Modding down the only people who TRY to RTFA?

The URL is WRONG

Global store? (4, Insightful)

bugbeak (711163) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868682)

I'm sure there are numerous world branches of just about every major record label out there. What's stopping Apple from running a global iTunes Music Store?

Re:Global store? (3, Informative)

akac (571059) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868704)

Simple - each record company is a single company but they operate separate divisions in each region and each division/branch deals with the copyrights in their own country.

Re:Global store? (1)

strider44 (650833) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868716)

Though I haven't tried it, I'm wondering if you can buy a song from the US iTunes web site with an Australian credit card (say a visa one). Does it not work even if you pretend the browser is in the US?

Though admittedly there is a problem with this in that you wouldn't get any or very much Australian music which is quite popular at the moment and growing in popularity, but still there's plenty of good American music I listen to.

Re:Global store? (1)

Phroggy (441) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868803)

Though I haven't tried it, I'm wondering if you can buy a song from the US iTunes web site with an Australian credit card (say a visa one). Does it not work even if you pretend the browser is in the US?

I'm pretty sure it's based entirely on the billing address for your credit card. I'm not sure about the free songs they have every week though - here in the US, you can download them without a credit card (you have to sign up with a username and password, but a credit card is not required until you actually spend money on something). Look for the "Free Download - Single of the Week" box on the front page (it changes every Tuesday).

You can definitely play the 30-second previews from any country.

Re:Global store? (1)

child_of_mercy (168861) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868965)

as alluded to, you ened the right billing address.

I tried a few months ago just to get my damn podcast included in the itunes directory

but it's all happy happy joy joy now.

Re:Global store? (2, Informative)

Simon Garlick (104721) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868988)

I just tried it. The US store pops up a one-button dialog box:

"Your account is only valid for purchases in the Australian Music Store. Clicking OK will take you to this store. [OK]"

Re:Global store? (5, Informative)

Phroggy (441) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868735)

I'm sure there are numerous world branches of just about every major record label out there. What's stopping Apple from running a global iTunes Music Store?

The record companies. The songs are licensed for sale in one country only. Apple would love to be able to offer their entire catalog to anybody anywhere, but the record companies won't allow that. They have to negotiate completely separate licensing agreements for each country.

Re:Global store? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868969)

They have to negotiate completely separate licensing agreements for each country.
Says the record companies. When is a distribution company going to put the record companies in their place and do what what everybody wants? I'm pretty sure that is increasing musician profits while making it easier for the consumer to get music. And by everybody I meant all the humans. Not those creatures you call "record executives". I'm pretty sure Record Executives have their own D&D creature encyclopedia entry. If not they should.

Re:Global store? (2, Funny)

JWW (79176) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868995)

The record companies. The songs are licensed for sale in one country only. Apple would love to be able to offer their entire catalog to anybody anywhere, but the record companies won't allow that. They have to negotiate completely separate licensing agreements for each country.

What, are the record companies stupid or something? ... oh, wait, nevermind.

Re:Global store? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868746)

They wouldn't be able to price gouge the western countries.

Re:Global store? (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868794)

It wouldn't be able to "adjust" prices based on the user's country, then - or at least not as easily.

Re:Global store? (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868998)

What's stopping Apple from running a global iTunes Music Store?

In a nutshell: outdated business practices on the part of the record companies. Believe me, Apple would far rather have a single store, and just do language localization.

-jcr

Re:Global store? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13869123)

If you're going to say something as stupid as "outdated business practices," you might as well go the full distance and put the blame where it really belongs: national sovereignty.

See, different countries have different laws regarding taxation, contracts, royalties and licenses. If you buy a copy of the latest Limozeen album in Taiwan, the retailer has to handle the local taxes differently and the record company has to pay royalties differently than if you bought it in Topeka.

Why? Because the people of Taiwan have decided that they want different laws than those the people of Kansas have.

So really, the problem is sovereignty. If we could just conquer the world and force everybody to use the same laws, Apple would be able to have one big iTunes store.

(Fucking idiot.)

Super (2, Funny)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868687)

That's great, but I just hope it doesn't scratch easily.

Re:Super (2, Funny)

bach37 (602070) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868722)

Well, you could just sue.

Re:Super (1)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868761)

Indeed. My original post was supposed to be a joke about this kind of lunacy [ipodnn.com] , but I don't think it came out quite right.

I tried it (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868688)

I tried it, but the songs were upside down.

Re:I tried it (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868811)

Don't be an idiot, everyone knows they are not upside down, they are reversed.

Re:I tried it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868938)

Yeah, you have to spin the hard disk in the other direction...

No Fair Use (1, Informative)

ozTravman (898206) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868698)

Australia has no "Fair Use Policy" laws, so far there has been no test case. This is the reason TiVO has not been introduced to Australia. It is illegal to record any TV show that is not being broadcast live to air. It is also illegal to rip cds to MP3. Apple have finally taken the chance, which is good to see. Hopefully none of the recording labels will launch a lawsuit.

Re:No Fair Use (4, Insightful)

TeraCo (410407) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868728)

Fair use is irrelevant here, as Apple have permission from the record companies to publish it in the relevant format.

Re:No Fair Use (2, Interesting)

ozTravman (898206) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868797)

But what is the user allowed to do with it once they buy it? How many devices can it be stored on?

Re:No Fair Use (1)

TeraCo (410407) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868802)

I'm not sure if apple really cares. Regardless of what you do with it, there is no risk from their point of view.

Re:No Fair Use (1)

shmlco (594907) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868984)

If it's the same as the US license then up five different computers may be authorized at a time, and as many pods as you want...

Re:No Fair Use (2, Interesting)

Petrushka (815171) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869091)

According to this person's research into the Terms and Conditions [slashdot.org] , it's ambiguous whether buying a track from iTunes Oz grants you any CD burning privileges or not:

You shall be entitled to burn and export Products solely for personal, non-commercial use.

Any burning or exporting capabilities are solely an accommodation to you and shall not constitute a grant or waiver (or other limitation or implication) of any rights of the copyright owners of any content, sound recording, underlying musical composition or artwork embodied in any Product.

So you're allowed to burn and export products; but you don't get any copyright waiver, and there's no such thing as fair use in Oz, so you're not allowed to burn or export. So ... are you allowed to burn CDs or not???

Re:No Fair Use (1)

The Amazing Fish Boy (863897) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868835)

It is also illegal to rip cds to MP3.

If that's true (I'm not familiar with Australian law), was iTunes (the program) available before? Because you can rip CDs to MP3 with iTunes. Actually, you can do that with most jukebox software. I guess as long as there isn't some DMCA-like law prohibiting ditribution of tools to rip CDs to MP3s, it would be fine. Anyone have any more information?

Re:No Fair Use (1)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868872)

iTunes itself is a global download, so we've had it for years now.

And since there's no Fair Use rights, but prosecution would be incredibly hard (the music industry has to find people who buy a CD and then rip it at home - there is no trail to follow) people like me have been merrily ripping their CDs to mp3 format for several years even though it's illegal to do so.

Apple are doing nothing necessarily wrong, as they could claim that their software could be used to organise either legitimate digital music or our own music that we created. Even the iPod could go under that sort of (fairly specious) claim.

It gets interesting when you look at Sony, who produce both music and portable digital players. Sometimes it seems like it's two companies, and they aren't friends!

Re:No Fair Use (1)

ozTravman (898206) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868901)

So far this law is untested, no one has been prosecuted for ripping cds to mp3 or recording a show off TV. But the legislation is there for a test case if anyone is unfortunate enough to be picked on by a recording label.

Re:No Fair Use (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868917)

No, that's right - we don't have Fair Use - a vague set of conditions that are interpreted at the whim of a judge.

Instead, like the rest of the world we have Fair Dealing laws that set down your rights in black and white, and are not open to interpretation.

With Fair Use, if you're lucky you might be protected for certain uses - but there is absolutely no situation that is guaranteed to be protected - it's all up to how well you can argue it in court, most probably against a high payed entertainment industry lawyer.
With Fair Dealing, you probably won't get away with as much, but you can know 100% that you are protected if you fall within its definition.

Re:No Fair Use (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869042)

I'd say "Fair Use" is better if it affords the ability to use a time-shifting media device or a portable music file player to play the the music that the owner paid for without paying yet another tax on each file. A system that falls short of that simply doesn't seem fair at all, whether rigidly or flexibly defined.

The correct URL is... (2, Informative)

Osrin (599427) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868700)

Re:The correct URL is... (3, Informative)

TheShadowHawk (789754) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868740)

No.. the correct URL for getting music is: http://www.allofmp3.com/ [allofmp3.com] . :)

Re:The correct URL is... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868894)

If you're going to use that, you might as well use this: http://www.bittorrent.com/ [bittorrent.com]

Mistakes a plenty... (0, Flamebait)

Wizard Drongo (712526) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868709)

Need I remark, as no doubt hordes of others will, that the URL is wrong, not to mention that for some odd reason windows users can't understand that the 'i' in Apple products is lower case; iMac, iPod, iMovie, and, in this case, iTunes. I get so damned fed-up of seeing Itunes, ITunes, itunes. Get it right. It's not hard. Mind you, neither is checking an URL.

Re:Mistakes a plenty... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868762)

I never understood why mac users thing they are any better than windows users when they are just perpetuating the same moral evils.

You sir, are a poor excuse for a human being. I get fed up with people like you complaining for little things like an i when moral standards are so beyond their grasp that they insult people who are exactly the same as they are in essence.

Re:Mistakes a plenty... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868814)

Apple's customers are like no others -- a rich blend of the most sociologically elite with those seeking elegant, simple computing. ... Unlike users of Intel/Windows computers, a significant portion of Apple's users are active, exploratory, avant-garde and early adopters. The activities they enjoy are unique in the the way that they more often incorporate rich media such as video and music as well as more active prosumer behavior than many more passive Windows users.

-- MetaFacts, Inc. [metafacts.com]


With above-average household income and education levels, the Mac population [is] very attractive [intellectually as well as physically.]

-- Nielsen/NetRatings (as quoted by C|NET [com.com] )


Re:Mistakes a plenty... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868821)

oh jeezus, wizard drongo you really have no Ilife do you? Its a commercial product, people spell it however they like. Most sane people really arent bothered when products are spelt incorrectly.

Re:Mistakes a plenty... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13869064)

Stop being Steve Jobs' cockjockey. There are more than enough of your kind already.

Mysterious future. (3, Interesting)

Xenex (97062) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868711)

From: xenex@opinionstick.com
Subject: [DP] ITunes Australia Goes Live
Date: 25 October 2005 12:32:57 PM
To: daddypants@slashdot .org

The link is dead.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/iTunes_M usic_Store_comes_to_Australia/0,2000061733,3921879 8,00.htm [zdnet.com.au] seems to work though.

The article comes up here just fine [zdnet.com.au] . Also, another interesting article: Apple: Our biggest competitor is P2P [zdnet.com.au] .

iTunes store is helping legitimize online music (5, Insightful)

mattnuzum (839319) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868717)

I have a friend in India who says that he would use iTunes store if it were available, but because it isn't he simply uses peer-to-peer.

As the iTunes store becomes available across the world it will help legitimize the online music industry. I think there are a lot of people in the world who don't have the option to go and buy the music they want to listen to. If they could, they would.

Of course there are a lot of people who will jump at the opportunity to get something for free if they can, but no one is stopping these now, so it's not really the point. But if you give everyone the opportunity to pay for the music, many will. I think this is a good thing.

Speaking of online music sales, I'm really looking forward to another price war. Come on guys, we need a legit iTunes competitor to drive down the prices!

Re:iTunes store is helping legitimize online music (4, Insightful)

pintomp3 (882811) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868783)

itunes prices aren't based on competition, but what the riaa charges. apple doesn't make much on the store, thier money comes from ipod sales. unless the riaa is going to take a smaller cut from a competitor, the competitor isn't going to be able to charge much less than itunes. i believe riaa gets 71/99 per track. not much room to undercut there.

Re:iTunes store is helping legitimize online music (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869012)

The best I can say is try sites by/for indie musicians, that cuts the oligopoly out of the loop. I can't name any myself, I buy their CDs and rip them myself, but I'm sure someone can chime in and give a good list.

Re:iTunes store is helping legitimize online music (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13869074)

The price war is not going to happen. Apple has the overwhelming advantage of not needing to make a profit on the iTMS (just not make too much of a loss), and until someone can match that no one will be stupid enough to try to fight them there.

MacRumors coverage & personal retraction (4, Informative)

The Amazing Fish Boy (863897) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868721)

Well, the ZDNet story is down (-1 Redundant), but MacRumors.com has one up [macrumors.com] .

Ahead of schedule [macrumors.com] , iTunes now provides an Australia link in the iTunes Music Store.

Songs are being offered for $1.69 and videos for $3.39 (AUS). Rumors for iTunes Australia [macrumors.com] have been long whispered. Cited reasons for the long delay have included resistance from music labels [macrumors.com] .

According to the most recent reports, Sony BMG has not [macrumors.com] signed on to the iTunes Australia launch.

Official launch is expected on October 25th [macrumors.com] at a media conference in Sydney.

[Image of Australia Option in iTMS] [macrumors.com]


Looks like it's not variable pricing [slashdot.org] as I thought it might have been. Thus, I hereby retract my "Crikey!"

Re:MacRumors coverage & personal retraction (1)

edgr (781723) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868804)

It seems that the record companies have taken this opportunity to increase prices. Apple wasn't going to budge on its US 99 cents, but with the new store came a chance to a money grab. US$0.99 is about AU$1.30

True fans don't rip off their artists. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868724)

Old as the Barbary Coast, New as the Internet - No black flags with skull and crossbones, no cutlasses, cannons, or daggers identify today's pirates. You can't see them coming; there's no warning shot across your bow. Yet rest assured the pirates are out there because today there is plenty of gold (and platinum and diamonds) to be had. Today's pirates operate not on the high seas but on the Internet, in illegal CD factories, distribution centers, and on the street. The pirate's credo is still the same--why pay for it when it's so easy to steal? The credo is as wrong as it ever was. Stealing is still illegal, unethical, and all too frequent in today's digital age. That is why RIAA continues to fight music piracy.

"Piracy" generally refers to the illegal duplication and distribution of sound recordings. There are four specific categories of music piracy:

  1. Pirate recordings are the unauthorized duplication of only the sound of legitimate recordings, as opposed to all the packaging, i.e. the original art, label, title, sequencing, combination of titles etc. This includes mixed tapes and compilation CDs featuring one or more artists.
           
  2. Counterfeit recordings are unauthorized recordings of the prerecorded sound as well as the unauthorized duplication of original artwork, label, trademark and packaging.
           
  3. Bootleg recordings (or underground recordings) are the unauthorized recordings of live concerts, or musical broadcasts on radio or television.
           
  4. Online piracy is the unauthorized uploading of a copyrighted sound recording and making it available to the public, or downloading a sound recording from an Internet site, even if the recording isn't resold. Online piracy may now also include certain uses of "streaming" technologies from the Internet.

Many do not understand the significant negative impact of piracy on the music industry. Though it would appear that record companies are still making their money and that artists are still getting rich, these impressions are mere fallacies. Each sale by a pirate represents a lost legitimate sale, thereby depriving not only the record company of profits, but also the artist, producer, songwriter, publisher, retailer, ... and the list goes on. The consumer is the ultimate victim, as pirated product is generally poorly manufactured and does not include the superior sound quality, art work, and insert information included in legitimate product.

Each year, the industry loses about $4.2 billion to piracy worldwide -- "we estimate we lose millions of dollars a day to all forms of piracy."
  • Music pirates are the first to lose because the recording industry and law enforcement officials are cracking down around the world. Do the crime and you will pay the fine or do the time.
           
  • Consumers also lose because the shortcut savings enjoyed by pirates drive up the costs of legitimate product for everyone. Plus, good luck returning a pirated tape or CD when the quality is inferior or the product is defective, as it often is.
           
  • Honest retailers (who back up the products they sell) lose because they can't compete with the prices offered by illegal vendors. Less business means fewer jobs, jobs often filled by young adults.
           
  • Record companies lose. Eighty-five percent of recordings released don't even generate enough revenue to cover their costs. Record companies depend heavily on the profitable fifteen percent of recordings to subsidize the less profitable types of music, to cover the costs of developing new artists, and to keep their businesses operational. The thieves often don't focus on the eighty-five percent; they go straight to the top and steal the gold.
           
  • Finally, and perhaps most importantly, the creative artists lose. Musicians, singers, songwriters and producers don't get the royalties and fees they've earned. Virtually all artists (95%) depend on these fees to make a living. The artists also depend on their reputations, which are damaged by the inferior quality of pirated copies sold to the public.

Breaking into the music business is no picnic. Piracy makes it tougher to survive and even tougher to break through. As recording artist "Tool" noted, "Basically, it's about music -- if you didn't create it, why should you exploit it? True fans don't rip off their artists."

Re:True fans don't rip off their artists. (4, Funny)

weighn (578357) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868787)

True fans don't rip off their artists.

That's right, Jim. We leave that up to Sony.
Badda-ching!! I got more, I got more...

Re:True fans don't rip off their artists. (2, Funny)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868970)

As recording artist "Tool" noted

I love "Tool." He's hot.

Re:True fans don't rip off their artists. (2, Insightful)

Anarchitect_in_oz (771448) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869084)

the dude from Tool also wrote
"i sold my sole to make a record"
"then you brought one"

Yes true fans don't ripe off the band.
Which is why true fans support CDBaby, iTunes, and the little independant Record store so the next gen of Artists can be free of the crude we know today.

Some Day down the track we will have the market driven by the culture not a culture driven by marketing like we have now.

That day will come, the record compaines will disappear. The fans don't need them anymore, the artists don't need them anymore.

The only ones left are the techinical support people but i'm sure they will learn how to break free soon enough.

No Sony-BMG = No Good (5, Interesting)

246o1 (914193) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868727)

This lack of participation is a Very Bad Thing for anyone who likes to buy digital music easily online. As a consumer in Japan, I have been much-thwarted in my attempts to buy songs I hear on the radio or wherever. Though iTunes is very convenient, I haven't spent any money on iTunes Japan because it's so crippled. Obviously, I don't think this is good for either Apple or Sony-BMG, and hopefully they work something out eventually.

Re:No Sony-BMG = No Good (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869054)

If you want it to happen, buy a share of Sony, then go to their next shareholder's meeting, and demand an explanation.

-jcr

Stock in Japan (1)

246o1 (914193) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869119)

Most shareholder meetings in Japan are traditionally held at the same time (late June), so as to dilute the power of the shareholders who shares in multpile companies. Of course, I don't have the resources to buy the amount of stock it would take to make Sony responsive to my concerns. While corporations here are not responsive to shareholders, in comparison to America, anyway, they do often respond well to consumer pressure. Though the music industry has been an exception, I have faith they will come around someday.

Re:No Sony-BMG = No Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13869062)

What I find weird is that at MacWorld SF last January, Jobs said that Apple and Sony were really working together on many things (I assumed music as well). With Sony backing out on Japan and Aussie-land, do they really have an alliance? And other than Steve and that other Sony exec shaking hands, what have Sony and Apple done together?

In other news, Madonna . . . (4, Funny)

weighn (578357) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868760)

. . . has begun buying all her tracks from iTunes in an effort to stop others from downloading them.

A spokeswoman from Warner, Maverick's parent company, declined to comment.

Apple, how about NZ? (4, Insightful)

mdew (651926) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868780)

how about Itunes service that includes NZ too?

Re:Apple, how about NZ? (1)

Phroggy (441) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868903)

how about Itunes service that includes NZ too?

Sure, how about record companies license their music for sale on iTunes in NZ? Not happening yet? Well, too bad.

Re:Apple, how about NZ? (2, Interesting)

Audent (35893) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868990)

not sure if I should post a story I wrote but what the hey, it's /.

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/8515A04BC 338B24BCC2570A5000C063D [computerworld.co.nz]

with "hints" on how to circumvent the Aussie only rule. I'm sure you've already cottoned on to that.

Apple NZ head said he doesn't know if/when Apple will even launch in NZ.

Re:Apple, how about NZ? (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869040)

Write to the record companies if you want it to happen. They're the sole reason why it took so long foriTMS Australia to go live.

-jcr

Now iPod usage is legal! (2, Informative)

ross.w (87751) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868815)

Until now, an iPod was an expensive paperweight unless you were prepared to infringe copyright, which meant that it was a copyright infringement tool, which meant that it had the same legal status as a X-Box or PS-2 mod chip.

Didn't stop them selling them though.

You have to remember that in Australia there are no fair use rights. You do not have the right to make copies of content for personal use or even backups. People do, and they are unlikely to be prosecuted, but it is illegal.

Attempts to get this law changed have met with howls of protest from the likes of ARIA, and it probably won't happen until Digital Restrictions Mandating becomes universal so you won't be able to do it anyway.

Re:Now iPod usage is legal! (2, Informative)

mattjb0010 (724744) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868842)

Until now, an iPod was an expensive paperweight unless you were prepared to infringe copyright, which meant that it was a copyright infringement tool, which meant that it had the same legal status as a X-Box or PS-2 mod chip.

Actually mod chips are legal as they allow legal use of games/DVDs purchased overseas (and to restrict trade like that is in violation of the Trade Practices Act). Recent High Court decision here [austlii.edu.au] . But you're right on the iPod copyright infringement.

You do not have the right to make copies of content for personal use or even backups.

There are limited rights to make backup copies in some cases.

Re:Now iPod usage is legal! (1)

Yakman (22964) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868849)

The only legal files you can put on your iPod are the ones you buy from ITMS though. Ripping a CD you bought to put on your iPod is still illegal.

Re:Now iPod usage is legal! (1)

Phroggy (441) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868865)

Please remember that not all content is illegal to copy and distribute. There is plenty of content licensed for free distribution, and if you create your own content, you can always license it however you want. This is true of music too, not just software.

Re:Now iPod usage is legal! (2, Informative)

The Amazing Fish Boy (863897) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868915)

Until now, an iPod was an expensive paperweight unless you were prepared to infringe copyright ...

Or unless you listened to MP3s of bands that published them online? Or if you bought music from AllOfMP3.com? (If that is legal in Australia)

Re:Now iPod usage is legal! (1)

eosp (885380) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868978)

Or download.com , esp. http://download.com/reism [download.com]

Re:Now iPod usage is legal! (1)

stuttering stan (889500) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868935)

Here in the US, we have fair use rights. We also have the freedom to waive those rights, as many Americans have demonstrated. By accepting DRM (fair-play), Australians are now able to enjoy the convenience of iTunes. Win-Win.

Re:Now iPod usage is legal! (1)

Celsius 233 (913263) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869001)

Attempts to get this law changed have met with howls of protest from the likes of ARIA...

Wow! Perhaps the Sydney Opera House is on our side?

Re:Now iPod usage is legal! (1)

skingers6894 (816110) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869053)

There were always other places to get legal files for your iPod, why you could have even made your own with Garage Band.

Or you could have purchased DRM-free 192K VBR MP3s from emusic.com which keeps getting better by the day. Even with the least volume plan songs are only 25 cents each (33 Aussie cents!)

Even if you use the Aussie iTMS check emusic first, you might be surprised.

It's a shame there's no Sony (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868830)

Cause we won't be able to download the lastest Australian Idol releases...wait did I say shame?

Much Rejoicing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868831)

We're having a party here at Taylor's Sq Apple Store to celebrate and it's spilled out onto the street (as it does 'round here). There is much rejoicing in the streets! (so to speak) :D

Important positions being taken here (4, Interesting)

amichalo (132545) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868834)

So Sony won't allow Apple to sell their tunes library, (about a quarter of the big five's recorded music), in Japan and now Australia/New Zeland. interesting. And ABC (Disney) is the only TV network willing to sell their TV Shows, Pixar only willing to debut a few (very cool) shorts.

This is very important everyone. the content providers are VERY SCARED. First they were scared the medium wouldn't be popular enough to thwart file sharing, now they are scared it is SO POPULAR it will thwart their very role in distribution!

I for one welcome the medium - The quality of "Lost" is totally acceptable for the price and download time, actual movies should only be provided in a hgher quality though.

Suicidal pricing (2, Insightful)

caitsith01 (606117) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868843)

The pricing is just ridiculous. $1.69 per track for lossy recordings that, in Australia at least, you cannot necessarily legally burn to a CD or otherwise duplicate is simply outrageous.

The record companies (I don't think this is Apple's fault) need to realise that they are competing with FREE on the Internet, not with each other. They also need to realise that when they have ZERO manufacturing costs they are going to need to reduce their prices accordingly.

This is a perfect example of what a sheltered and monopoly/oligopoly dominated market Australia is. Other examples are air travel (two airlines), print media (one and a half newspaper conglomerates, most major cities have no media competition) and telecommunications (one major telco). The record company execs have obvious sat down and decided that they think Australia is sheltered enough that they can continue to screw us, iTunes or no iTunes.

Send them a message: do not use this service. Buy a physical CD instead - it'll work out about the same price if you shop somewhere decent anyway (10-12 tracks = $17-$21 on iTunes, which is crazy). Alternatively, if you have a UK or US bank account, use the services in those countries to encourage Apple to put more pressure on the record companies in Australia.

Re:Suicidal pricing (2, Informative)

njfuzzy (734116) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868944)

You are deeply, deeply missing the point.

The only way to legally burn a CD from your digital music in Australia is the iTunes store. Because when you buy a song from iTunes, you get a license from the label via Apple to do certain things with the music. Fair use isn't necessary if you have a license from the owner.

Re:Suicidal pricing -Check the TOS (2, Informative)

aristotle-dude (626586) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868966)

Before jumping to conclusions, check out the Australian store Terms of Sale:http://www.apple.com/au/support/itunes/legal/ policies.html [apple.com] >iTMS AUS TOS.
CONTENT USAGE RULES
Your use of the music downloaded from iTunes Music Store (the "Products") is conditional upon your prior acceptance of the terms of this Agreement.

You shall be authorized to use the Product only for personal, non-commercial use, and not for redistribution, transfer, assignment or sublicence, to the extent permitted by law. For details of your rights and restrictions on your right to use the Products, see:
www.copyright.org.au; or
www.ipaustralia.gov.au/ip/copyright.shtml; or
www.copyright.asn.au.

You shall be authorised to use the Product on five Apple authorised computers.

You shall be entitled to burn and export Products solely for personal, non-commercial use.

Any burning or exporting capabilities are solely an accommodation to you and shall not constitute a grant or waiver (or other limitation or implication) of any rights of the copyright owners of any content, sound recording, underlying musical composition or artwork embodied in any Product.

You agree that you will not attempt to, or encourage or assist any other person to, circumvent or modify any software required for use of the Service or any of the Usage Rules, or interfere with, remove or alter any rights management information on the Products.

The delivery of a Product does not transfer to you any commercial or promotional use rights in the Product.
So basically, you have the same usage rules as the other music stores. Please don't spread FUD.

I agree with most of the rest of your post but if you really want to send them a message, stop buying music all together and send in letters declaring your boycott. Buying CD's is not going to send them any sort of message other than you like their current business practices in general.

Re:Suicidal pricing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868991)

> Buy a physical CD instead

Even better buy a secondhand CD instead. Then the greedy bastards get no money.

Re:Suicidal pricing (1)

askegg (599634) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869010)

Mod up.

Re:Suicidal pricing (2, Insightful)

Thrudheim (910314) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869030)

"Send them a message: do not use this service. Buy a physical CD instead - it'll work out about the same price if you shop somewhere decent anyway (10-12 tracks = $17-$21 on iTunes, which is crazy)."

No! The record labels would absolutely love for people to buy physical CDs. They want to keep that tired, old model going as long as possible. If you want to send a message, boycott them altogether.

Re:Suicidal pricing (1)

AussieVamp2 (636560) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869035)

Buying a CD, LP or tape, going to be cheaper! I have seen some older Australian music for 8-10 bucks a CD in places like Sanity (chain) or the Muses, in just the last few weeks. Buying those digitally would double the price. Nutty.

Re:Suicidal pricing (1)

AussieVamp2 (636560) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869061)

The other thing being, if they have an oz store with quite a lot of Australian music, are those songs then available via the US or UK versions (for those people with credit cards from there)?

Re:Suicidal pricing (2, Insightful)

skingers6894 (816110) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869083)

"Send them a message: do not use this service. Buy a physical CD instead"

Actually that is EXACTLY the message they want...

IF you want to send them a message go and buy DRM-free 192K VBR MP3s from emusic.com for 33 Aussie cents each.

link works fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868845)

link works fine for me

no kidding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868866)

Incredible news. Will people ever realize that iTunes sucks?
I'd rather pay for 8 tracks before iTunes 128 bkpb.

New Zealanders Feel Left Out... (5, Interesting)

Traegorn (856071) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868884)

New Zealanders who feel left out are apparently lying to Apple and getting songs anyway [computerworld.co.nz] ...

itunes video (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13868897)

When they release Lost episodes, will they be same eps from the US? or delayed?

Songs at AU$1.69? (1)

Trejkaz (615352) | more than 8 years ago | (#13868979)

And here I thought that US$1.00 was more like AU$1.33.

Re:Songs at AU$1.69? (1)

minorproblem (891991) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869033)

1.69*0.74(current exchange rate)~= 1.25 american so we can always expect to pay 25% more?

Re:Songs at AU$1.69? (1)

Trejkaz (615352) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869126)

Well, the game industry certainly agrees with that figure. I can import games from the US and save around 10-15% of the cost even after counting the shipping. Funnily enough, DVDs are reasonably cheap.

Re:Songs at AU$1.69? (1)

dilby (725275) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869070)

Yes but look at iTunes UK
79p is approx 1.86 AUD

Re:Songs at AU$1.69? (1)

noisymime (816237) | more than 8 years ago | (#13869118)

Welcome to the wonderful world of Apple's global market pricing scheme. As the product gets more expensive the gap widens.
Eg:
30gb Video iPod: $US299 (~$AU399). Apple.com.au's price: $AU449
Entry level Mac Mini: $US499 (~$AU665). Apple.com.au's price: $AU799
15" PowerMac: $US1999 (~$AU2665). Apple.com.au's price: $AU3199

And so on and so forth.....

Lost? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13869045)

Can we get episodes of Lost through this? Are they crappy Ipod Video resolution or hdtv or what? (yeah i'm on thepiratebay but they deserve a few bucks)

We're paying more (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13869093)

$1.69* 0.7482 (exchange rate) = 1.2645 (4dp) we pay 26% more than what Americans do for each song.
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