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Get Ready For The 20-inch Laptop

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the just-don't-try-hauling-it-through-an-airport dept.

Displays 373

linumax writes "With so many DVDs featuring letterboxed or wide-screen versions of films, consumers' fascination with larger screen sizes is changing the size and shape of the laptop industry, stated an IDC report issued on Monday. The wide-screen format, found in only 39.2 percent of laptops expected to ship this year, will become dominant in mid- to late 2006. It will nearly eclipse standard screen dimensions by the end of 2009, the market research firm estimates. Samsung has already unleashed its upcoming 19-inch laptop. The product is expected to ship later this year. Dell, a major partner of Samsung, could easily adopt the large screen format for its high-end XPS laptops. And, LG Philips is also touting its 20-inch LCD displays for laptops."

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20 inches? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13870772)

Frist porst!

Lap Top vs Table Top (5, Funny)

OctoberSky (888619) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870780)

I don't want to sound too much like flamebait but how on earth is this a Laptop?
I thought my brothers 17" Notbook was beyond portable, but this thing should come with a gift certificate to a chiropractor.

Re:Lap Top vs Table Top (3, Interesting)

TCaptain (115352) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870826)

I have a 17inch laptop and while its certainly a bit more awkward than my old one
(9.2 lbs vs 7), I'm a big boy and I can carry the weight.

The upside is that its a much nicer screen and size-wise in a car, cafe, or bus its not MUCH larger than a regular laptop and once you're used to it its nice.

Re:Lap Top vs Table Top (5, Insightful)

Bastian (66383) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870971)

Interesting, because I feel quite the opposite. I have a 15" laptop, and I would love to have a 12" one. I think the 15"er takes up too much space and is an awkward thing to put in a backpack and carry around all day. The screen isn't MUCH smaller than a regular laptop and once you're used to the size it's not so bad; and at home I can plug it into my 19" monitor.

Different strokes, I guess. I have a feeling that we aren't going to see a massive shift in what laptops folks are selling, I'm more inclined to guess that the PC market will follow Apple's suit and have size be the primary selling point on their laptops.

Desktop Replacement! (1)

FatSean (18753) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870833)

I have a Thinkpad T40 for my work computer as I travel and work from home. It generally spends all its time on the table or the bag, rarely on my lap. It's nice to have a larg(er) screen when coding...1024x768 is rediculous. I would totally jump for one of these.

Re:Desktop Replacement! (1)

Feyr (449684) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870935)

my laptop has a 15" 1600x1200 (native!) display, you don't need the large screen for better resolutions

Re:Lap Top vs Table Top (1)

drdanny_orig (585847) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870851)

Amen. I just got a 17" wide Fujitsu "laptop" and wouldn't dream of subjecting my lap to it. It does look nice, tho. But 19"? 20?!? That's insane unless it has wheels.

In other news: (5, Funny)

CortoMaltese (828267) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870876)

People are getting fatter and fatter...

Bigger laps, bigger laptops!

Re:Lap Top vs Table Top (0, Troll)

Apreche (239272) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870912)

No it shouldn't, Chiropractic [] is bullshit [] . See a real back doctor who went to medical school, not a pretend doctor.

Re:Lap Top vs Table Top (-1)

cosmo7 (325616) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871050)

This isn't a troll (though it is off-topic).

Chiropractic is the healthcare equivalent of Intelligent Design. It's almost as bad as homeopathy.

Re:Lap Top vs Table Top (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13871056)

No it shouldn't, Chiropractic is bullshit. See a real back doctor who went to medical school, not a pretend doctor.

There are also other reasons [] why chiropractors are not effective. Same thing with massage therapists. They are basically providing a placebo to their patients. Real doctors can provide a placebo as well, in the form of physical therapy, drugs, surgery, etc. So sometimes both traditional and alternative medicine fail.

So what should they be called? (1)

Gubbe (705219) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870965)

Ok, they're neither desktops nor laptops and calling them desktop replacements implies laptop, so what should we call them to nod dilute the notion that a laptop is something you can *easily* carry with you in a bag?

Let's hear some ideas for new names. Perhaps we'll manage to come up with one that'll stick.

Fattop? Hugetop? Lugtop?

Re:So what should they be called? (0)

gcw1 (914577) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871069)

how about lapdesk ? :P

But does it work with Linux? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13870781)

Linux is *not* user friendly, and until it is linux will stay with >1% marketshare.

Take installation. Linux zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do apt-get install package or emerge package": Yes, because typing in "apt-get" or "emerge" makes so much more sense to new users than double-clicking an icon that says "setup".

Linux zealots are far too forgiving when judging the difficultly of Linux configuration issues and far too harsh when judging the difficulty of Windows configuration issues. Example comments:

User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Linux?"
Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Redhat, you have to download quake_3_rh_8_i686_010203_glibc.bin, then do chmod +x on the file. Then you have to su to root, make sure you type export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 but ONLY if you have that latest libc6 installed. If you don't, don't set that environment variable or the installer will dump core. Before you run the installer, make sure you have the GL drivers for X installed. Get them at [some obscure web address], chmod +x the binary, then run it, but make sure you have at least 10MB free in /tmp or the installer will dump core. After the installer is done, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config and add a section called "GL" and put "driver nv" in it. Make sure you have the latest version of X and Linux kernel 2.6 or else X will segfault when you start. OK, run the Quake 3 installer and make sure you set the proper group and setuid permissions on quake3.bin. If you want sound, look here [link to another obscure web site], which is a short HOWTO on how to get sound in Quake 3. That's all there is to it!"

User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Windows?"
Zealot: "Oh God, I had to install Quake 3 in Windoze for some lamer friend of mine! God, what a fucking mess! I put in the CD and it took about 3 minutes to copy everything, and then I had to reboot the fucking computer! Jesus Christ! What a retarded operating system!"

So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that what seems easy and natural to Linux geeks is definitely not what regular people consider easy and natural. Hence, the preference towards Windows.

ugh.. (4, Insightful)

jkind (922585) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870784)

Give me the portability of a Tablet PC like the Toshiba Tecra anyday.. These large display systems are akin to SUVs in their power consumption, are they not?

Re:ugh.. (1)

myspys (204685) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870882)

Since they use the same technology as normal desktop lcd screens, i'd assume that they (the laptop versions) use more or less exactly the same amount of electricity.

ie around 40 watt. More on screens and energy usage here []

Re:ugh.. (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870910)

These types of 'laptop's are designed as desktop replacement systems, that for example can be taken to and from work for telecommuters/any worker, and dont take up as much space as a conventional PC for home users (when they are in use they dont take up as much space as a normal PC with a desktop/tower case, and when they're not in use you can pack them away easily). It's not like you're meant to carry this around as a personal organiser...

But where are the novel-sized palm/laptops? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13871062)

You mention tablet PCs, but I find that nothing at all exists in the niche that I want covered:

- A display the size of one page of a standard novel at minimum, and up to A5 at maximum (that's half of A4 for the imperialists).

- Pure CompactFlash card storage for light weight and robustness, although a microdrive could of course also fit in a type II slot.

- No physical keyboard as it wastes real estate, but PS2 connectors for optional standard mouse and external keyboard for the odd occasion when heavy input is desired.

- Linux as standard from the manufacturer, or any BSD would be fine too. Manufacturer support is crucial here, as hacks rarely have access to all hardware facilities.

- Wifi and Bluetooth, obviously. It's 2005.

Hell, I'd use such a thing all day long when mobile or around the house if it existed. The closest thing to it so far is Nokia's nice Linux-based 770, but its display is just not large enough for what I want (the whole unit is only 3/4 the size of a standard novel, and the display much smaller), although the resolution of 800x480 is acceptable.

I guess I'll just have to wait. PDAs and palmtops don't even come close, laptops are too large and have an annoying keyboard, and tablets haven't yet filled the niche well.

Bigger = Better? (1, Redundant)

hoshino (790390) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870785)

Personally I won't want to carry a 20" screen around with me...

I just don't see the point of going beyond 17" for laptops. Heck, my personal ideal screen size is 14.1" to 15.4".

Personally I would rather see screens that continue to maintain their portable size but with increased resolutions than 20" behemoths.

Re:Bigger = Better? (4, Insightful)

Hey Pope Felcher . . (921019) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870824)

. . . personally, I don't see the point of having to carry a screen, when I can carry a pair of goggles to view my applications with, and a pair of gloves (or smaller attatchments to my hands) to type on my virtual keyboard, and manipulate the programs with.

Simply put, I hope companies begin to innovate rather more than simply changing the dimensions of the screen I need to view with. I mean the things meant to be portable, not inexcusably large.

Re:Bigger = Better? (1)

AnonymousYellowBelly (913452) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870892)

Well... a friend had a portable DVD player with goggles, and after 45 minutes all I had left was a headache. As far as gloves go, unless they give me the 'feel' of typing on a keyboard I would guess they'll be uncomfortable to use.

I do agree that companies should find ways to incorporate 'bigger' displays without the need to carry something big and heavy.

You'll need on heck of a big lap (0, Redundant)

Redwin (805980) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870790)

At what point does it stop being called a "lap"top? Surely the purpose of a laptop is that it is portable, not something that requires a large suitcase to move about.

Little boy is growing up (0, Redundant)

Biking Viking (906259) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870795)

Although this news is a bit exciting, at which point is a laptop not a "lap" top anymore? Images of Baby Huey are starting to come to mind...

Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (3, Insightful)

DoorFrame (22108) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870806)

I like bigger screens. When I bought my laptop four years ago I got the biggest screen available at the time. The thing is a tall beast, but it's not widescreen. I don't want widescreen. Widescreen forces me to use more width, when in reality I never need more width, I only ever need more height. Never am I reading a webpage and think, "Damn, if only this computer were a little wider."

The worst part is, all the good new laptops are being made with widescreen because little Jane going off to college wants to watch DVDs. I don't want to watch DVDs on my computer, I'll do that on the TV. I want to use it as a computer, and computer need height.

I just wish some laptop companies would keep the big non-widescreen models around. It's sad.

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870827)

Also a lot of websites are designed so poorly that they don`t expand to fit the available width.. so they just occupy a thin column down the middle of the screen on a widescreen display anyway.

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (1)

bogado (25959) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870937)

Very long lines of text are harder to read. The problem here is that CSS/HTML does not allow you to make text flow throw columns automaticly (I think this is being proposed in CSS3, but I am not shure). The main problem is that CSS, HTML and other web standards are talked by web developers and not web designers. Many of the hacks to make columned sites with CSS are frankly quite ugly and use stuff that was not designed for this end (floats for instance), much like the table in html were abused to do layout.

CSS2 is just now being accepted, and even now IE have a lowsy suport for it. It is going to be ages to be able to use CSS3, with it dreamy column flow text. The only solution is to make your long text readable is to limit it to a single fixed sized column. The best solution for me is to not use maximized windows, so you can use the rest of the screen to show another sites in diferent windows or even anothe programs.

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (3, Insightful)

el_womble (779715) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870850)

I'm not saying you're wrong, clearly this is a matter of personal preference, but there is a counter point to your objections.

Since getting a 20" widescreen iMac I'd not go back. It gives you the same advantages as a dual head system but without the join: rather than reading more of the same webpage it means you can read the webpage AND see the document you're working on. Thats not so say I wouldn't want more height too!

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (1)

karnal (22275) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871057)


What you're trying to say here is....

Once you go Mac, you never go back?

I know it's corny. It feels like Monday.

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (1)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871060)

Thats not so say I wouldn't want more height too!

I'm in need of more width. And thanks to this email I just received, I may be on my way!

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (3, Insightful)

MaestroSartori (146297) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870852)

Although you are in the majority in not needing extra screen-width, I (as someone who wants a laptop for audio production) would love a 20" widescreen laptop. More tracks on screen at once, less scrolling, easier visualisation of what I'm working on. Marvellous :)

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (2, Interesting)

shic (309152) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870898)

I've a 15" 1200x1600 display which is pretty damned great for my purposes - and until recently there's been nothing better I could find. If I were to buy again now I'd get the Sony 17" 1200x1920 as this would give me an extra strip down the left or right hand side... though I'd far rather have a 17" regular ratio display.

I accept the argument that big displays aren't very portable - but to me that doesn't matter. I only want to use my laptop on a desk - in fact I'm not even bothered if it is able to run on batteries.

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13870930)

Do you have your laptop on edge or what?

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (1)

shic (309152) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870945)

Do you have your laptop on edge or what?

I'd like to... that would make widescreen LCDs genuinely useful to me.

Anyway - what's wrong with stating the y-dimension first - it's good to be unconventional.

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871006)

Anyway - what's wrong with stating the y-dimension first - it's good to be unconventional.

Not in communication. The only reason y dimension makes sense if you were stating scanlines, but then, you don't need to state the horizontal resolution, forexample, 1080i or 1080p is assumed widescreen unless otherwise stated: 1920.

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (5, Insightful)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870905)

Oh, you're one of those who haven't had the good fortune of actually trying a widescreen. The great thing about widescreens is the fact that you can open more documents, web browser screens, etc. side by side. It's a godsend for multitaskers and people using their laptops for work. And, with the higher resolution widescreens, you don't even need to worry about vertical height...the resolution is high enough to display whatever you need.

I too thought the wide screen laptops were stupid until I tried one out. Now I could never give up being able to have 3 documents open side by side at work. Think of it as dual screens on one screen...

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870975)

Oh, you're one of those who haven't had the good fortune of actually trying a widescreen.

Don't assume that much. I have used a widescreen display on an iMac G5. I don't think widescreen is worth the expense. As it is, for example, a 20" widescreen costs just as much or more than a 21" standard aspect ratio, but gives the user less vertical resolution, despite having the same horizontal resolution. Why pay more for fewer pixels?

Now I could never give up being able to have 3 documents open side by side at work. Think of it as dual screens on one screen...

That said, a widescreen display is only 12% wider in aspect ratio (1.5 vs. 1.333), I don't see how it can necessarily support 50% more documents. A standard high resolution screen might support four documents if tiled.

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (1)

Twinbee (767046) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870923)

But with widescreen, we can have two or more programs easily open at once. I can have the browser on the left half, and one or two programs on the right (such as notepad and a calculator).

I like a good degree of height too, but this can always be solved by bigger overall screens and resolutions.

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13870927)

Perhaps you could turn the widescreen laptop on its side (and plug in a usb keyboard and mouse)?

Of course, that doesn't exatly solve the problem, since you also need to rotate the image. I suspect there are some gfx cards that allow you to do this.

Some widescreen monitors support 90 degree rotation. I remember a monitor by Iiyama that is rotateable, but I don't know if they still sell it. I wanted one to play Ikaruga on, but I thought it was perhaps a bit extravagant.

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871052)

I'd worry about the laptop falling over. Conventional setup means the center of mass is near the bottom face, setting it on the edge means moving that up a lot.

There are some drivers that allow rotation for Windows. Mac OS X has screen rotation built-in now.

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (1)

CrazyTalk (662055) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870932)

I disagree. Vertical scrolling is a lot easier than horizontal scrolling, and I like to be able to view different apps, etc. side by side. So for me, I would rather have more width than height. That said, on a laptop I prefer the smallest screen possible - thats why I have a 12 inch iBook - for maximum portability, not just for lugging around but for using in confined spaces like airplanes or the classroom.

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (1)

pintomp3 (882811) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870954)

aside from watching dvds, widescreen is nice for having documents side by side. the lower hieght also lets you actually open the laptop in an airplane when the guy in front of you is fully reclined. these may not be factors for you, but they will obviously appeal to a larger market. you can always get something with a higher res. a wsxga+ screen should be fine for almost any website.

Re:Bigger Screens good, Wider Screens bad (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871031)

piano wire will also help if the guy in front of you is fully reclined

obligatory whine.. (5, Insightful)

TheHawke (237817) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870807)

You got laptops with 20" screens now, why don't they put larger keyboards on those very same laptops? Those ittybitty chicklet keyboards kill hands for just about everyone I know that use them, save for the odd elf. They got alot of area on the laptop to place additional items like USB ports, relocating that %#$*()&! speaker jack, loads of other items can go in that blank space now.

Re:obligatory whine.. (1)

tzanger (1575) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870858)

Oh I dunno... I've got large hands (I can easily palm a standard-size basketball) and I have no problem on laptop keyboards at all. The big hands, however, do make it difficult to find cheap work gloves, play regular electric guitars and reach in behind little areas to grab screws that fell off the table and found the smallest place to settle. :-)

Re:obligatory whine.. (-1, Troll)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871037)

Do you have an equally large penis to grasp those hands around?

Re:obligatory whine.. (2, Informative)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870925)

A lot of laptops now have a layout that uses the same size keys as a standard desktop keyboard, save maybe a few of the function keys. The only difference is that they are short throw keys.

Re:obligatory whine.. (1)

Alioth (221270) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870956)

My old Amstrad portable PC (not really a laptop, but neither is a laptop with a 20in display) had a fullsize standard 102-key PC keyboard when you opened it. With a 20in screen, you've certainly got the width to do it.

Re:obligatory whine.. (1)

djbckr (673156) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871033)

I have the HP zd7000 - a wide-screen laptop.

Yeah, it's big, and it's a bit of a pain to lug around, but I don't lug around all that much. What I *love* about it though, is the numeric keypad. It's big enough to have your normal keyboard, plus enough space to have your numeric keypad as well.

Pretty soon (5, Funny)

strider44 (650833) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870813)

Pretty soon laptops screens will become so big that you won't even be able to carry them around, and you'll have to keep it permanantly on your desk. They'll have to come up with a new name though, I mean if you keep it on your desk, how about instead of "lap-top" call it something like "desk-top"?

Re:Pretty soon (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870890)

How about a "portable desktop"?

At first the idea of a 19" LCD laptop sounded foolish to me too, but if they just stopped limiting it to the "laptop" concept, you could actually end up with a portable desktop machine.
Add just a bit of desktop-quality hardware whilst keeping weight down and you've got a winner.
Now let go of the classical book-shape; detachable keyboard/mouse, etc. and you've got a new type of computer.

Re:Pretty soon (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871061)

Pretty soon laptops screens will become so big that you won't even be able to carry them around, and you'll have to keep it permanantly on your desk. They'll have to come up with a new name though, I mean if you keep it on your desk, how about instead of "lap-top" call it something like "desk-top"?

First, they will mutate through a phase of existence whereby they will become heavy, unwieldly, and large. We will call these luggables since they can be relocated but not with ease.

Then someone will decide we should make them progressively smaller. We will have notebooks, subnotebooks, and even tablets.

Oh, wait. That was 1988 ....

desktop LCD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13870815)

Is the Smasung laptop LCD in the article 19inch 1600x1080 for sale as a desktop LCD?

Re:desktop LCD? (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871076)

Indeed, I'd be interested in the new Powerbook's 17" 1650x1050 display as a stand-alone desktop display as well.

I'm sick of 1280x1024 19" TFTs. Nice two years ago, but now I want more. Ah well, there's always Dell and their widescreen displays.

I have to ask... (1)

zegebbers (751020) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870818)

what about the weight of these things? Also, will it be cumbersome to carry? I honestly can't see a need for a 20 inch laptop.

Re:I have to ask... (4, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870854)

I honestly can't see a need for a 20 inch laptop.

In the office where my wife works all the computer systems (I assume except the servers) are laptops. They cost about the same amount of money and people tend to take them home on the weekend.

So the laptops are being used as car-portable desktops.

Re:I have to ask... (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870948)

laptops definitely do not cost the same amount of money as desktops, in terms of the amount of processing power you get for your money. Especially since laptops cant really be upgraded, etc. If all you're doing is word processing, then sure you can get a little £300/$500 laptop, but if you want to do anything useful, such as play games (hehe), or 3D CAD work, then laptops are nowhere near the same value as a good old desktop.

Re:I have to ask... (1)

el_womble (779715) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870952)

When I bought my 12" PowerBook I knew that it was going to be my desktop computer so I bought a 17" LCD (I dual-head it) and a bluetooth keyboard and mouse for comfort. The reason that was better for me than a mini is because I can use it on the train and in the park and it has battery backup built in (so I can move it around whilst its sleeping). The reason its better than a 20" monster is because it weighs 3 pounds and has an 6 hour battery life, oh and it'll be a lot cheaper (everything is more expensive when its built into a laptop).

I don't need my laptop to be the most powerfull machine in the building as long as it can connect to the most powerful machine in the building (thank God for 3G and WiFi). I don't really need to use it in the park, but on a cool, bright October day like today, it is a privaledge thats hard to resist. But size sells, so no doubt your wifes company will be buying these 20" screens by the dozen, her chiropractor will give herself a raise and you'll be buying an SUV to drop the laptop off at work ;)

Re:I have to ask... (1)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870953)

The 19" Samsung model in the article blurb weighs 9.7 pounds! I imagine the battery life is around 60 minutes if you're lucky.

Re:I have to ask... (1)

izomiac (815208) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870976)

Ok, I'm a college student who likes to take my (rather large) laptop home for the weekends. Other than that, I essentially don't move my computer. Therefore, portability isn't that much of an issue (11 lbs, fits in a backpack), whereas having a large screen for movies, writing papers, etc. is a definate benefit. That's not even taking into account the improved hardware that comes with a heavier/bigger laptop.

Manufacturers: Please don't forget this! (1)

bradbeattie (908320) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870820)

Laptops are supposed to be portable.

Landscape vs. Portrait (5, Interesting)

VoidEngineer (633446) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870821)

It's a Good Thing this is going to happen. Why? Well, for one thing, it will also push the Tablet's into getting a little bigger. Oddly enough, Laptops and Tablets still don't screens that are big enough to fit an 8.5x11" full-size 1:1 ratio image of a piece of paper! People ask me if I find my Tablet too bulky (same problem with Laptop, essentially), and I tell them... actually, no, I want a bigger screen so I can write papers in real ratio format. Expect with this increase in size for some manufacturers to also start playing around with swivel screens to allow putting the screen in either landscape or portrait mode.

Of course, it's also great to have a portable movie playing machine. Nothing wrong with the entertainment side of the equation. I'm just saying that this is also going to push the adoption of swivel displays and increased tablet screens sizes.

Re:Landscape vs. Portrait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13870986)

Dude. Proofread your shit before you send it. You write like it went through translation.

Laptop egronomics suck (sometimes) (2, Interesting)

rice0067 (220981) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870828)

I like the form factor of a laptop, no messy wires and all that.. but having the screen so low is what sucks most for long term use. Not good for the neck.
The cool thing about this Samsung laptop is that the screen comes off and you can put a base on it. If its a quick change, and doesnt break after the 20th time you switch it, it should be a good concept. But I wonder what sort of wire goes btwn the screen and rest of the computer while the display is off. It would sort of suck to carry around a regular DVI cord. About as much as it would suck to cart around a 19 inch laptop.
Thats why i like my combo of a 15 powerbook and 20 inch cinema display. Leave the 20 at home and travel with the 15.
And wide aspect ratio is really the way to go. I just wish macs had a way to rotate the screeen output, like for reading big pdf files at 1080X 1650...

American market? (4, Funny)

Shano (179535) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870834)

I assume this is being marketed in America?

The rest of us don't have laps that big.


Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13871015)

Disgusting. How dare you?! My lap is a perfectly normal size. My ass, on the other hand...

Hmm... Asstop computing - comes complete with mirror.

Re:American market? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13871048)

Don't worry, if you're foreign your ego is probably plenty big.

A 20" laptop? (2, Funny)

8127972 (73495) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870835)

Well.... I guess some of us have to make up for our shortcomings somehow (not that *I* have that problem).

Why is everything 'unleashed' these days? (5, Insightful)

RandoX (828285) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870841)

I mean really, it's just silly now.

Re:Why is everything 'unleashed' these days? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13870959)

Well, it was either that or spawned...

Don't confuse these with a laptop (4, Informative)

JanneM (7445) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870842)

Don't see these as laptops; they aren't. If you click the link on the Samsung 19" machine, it's obvious that these are rather the heir to the all-in-one portable desktops that were available some years ago (they tended to look like a sewing machine, with a detachable keyboard and a screen behind a side panel).

You don't lug these around every day, and you're not expected to. Instead, they are space-saving uncluttered desktops without the hassle of cables and multiple beige boxes to move around. You can take it out into the dining or living room to work or play for a few hours with the rest of your household instead of being relegated to some study or den. When it's time to clear the table you can just unplug it and move it away.

The format just looks rather like a laptop since it's the all-in-one form people are used to by now, and lots of components are made to accomodate it. I would prefer the sewing machine model myself (and Sony has some VAIO's for the Japanse market that are pretty close).

Re:Don't confuse these with a laptop (1)

steevc (54110) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871041)

Weren't they called 'luggables' or 'transportables'?

I used a couple. One was a TI suitcase-sized box with a tiny CRT, several ISA slots and enough metal shielding to build a small tank. I'm sure I saw Windows 1.0 on that box.

The other was a Compaq 'lunchbox' with an orange plasma screen, 5.25" floppy and a couple of card slots. I seem to remember some similar IBMs that kept breaking down. I liked that form-factor as it let you have an expandable PC in an easily carryable form. I guess things like the Shuttle are almost as transportable, but still consist of too many separate parts.

I can see that people will argue that laptops are just as expandable via USB or PC card. Relatively cheap these days too. 15 years ago things were different.

Maybe some bright spark will just build a PC into the back of an LCD screen!

Same tiny keyboard? (4, Insightful)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870844)

My biggest gripe with all "big screen" laptops is that tiny keyboard stuck in the middle of the huge room of the bottom part. So instead of giving us correctly placed arrow keys, full-size enter, Ins/Del placed conveniently, just for websurfing and games on bigscreen, they stuff the remaining rum with numpad. Yeah, great for widescreen accounting and displaying several columns extra in Excel, isn't it? Oh, and yes, and since the numpad took some extra place, and the rest of horizontal space was wasted with inch-wide margins on both sides and some extra column of "custom" keys, stuff all the keys that in a normal laptop fit in a column right from enter, just below it right Control, where you rest your wrists.

Re:Same tiny keyboard? (1)

grimJester (890090) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871018)

What makes it all the more weird is that a fold-in-half or roll-up keyboard is really easy to make, but electronic paper is still in its infancy. Will we get full size keyboards for mobile phones before we get them for laptops?

This is great (4, Funny)

multipartmixed (163409) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870845)

Widescreen format may seem like it's aimed at windows users, but it's really a boon for us nerds, too!

I spend a lot of my day wishing I had a wider display, about another 4", for those stupidly-wide Oracle SQL*Plus queries, other-people's code which uses insane tab widths for indenting (I use two spaces), and so forth.

Really, I rarely want a widescreen when in GUI land, but wish for one daily as I live in Terminal Land.

Re:This is great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13870920)

Dude, there are text editors that convert the tab spaces into x spaces in width for you. You don't need to torture yourself.

'Only' 39%? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13870846)

'Only' 39% of the market? That is a huge percentage of a market that exists to make portable computers. Given that the vast majority of people don't need the power offered by today's desktops, the idea of having a device that is small (er), quiet, and can be packed away and transported when necessary, is a significant advantage to most people. Does this indicate a transition from the traditional desktop form-factor to the 'luggable laptop' for the majority of consumers?

Return of the boombox... (2, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870853)

If the business people walked around with these things like 80's boomboxes, and doing the moonwalk, I'm going to be sick.

Strange market developments (4, Insightful)

OnoTadaki (914593) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870869)

A few months ago I was advising a friend of the family on purchasing a new computer. She was adament that she NEEDED a laptop with a widescreen monitor. After going through why she needed a portable computer over a desktop she had no answer. These new monster laptops are being marketed as full fledged desktop computers with added portability.

Personally I'd like to see a step in the other direction, something akin the Apple 12 inch iBook, except smaller and less fruit.

Re:Strange market developments (1)

Alioth (221270) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870993)

They do exist. We have a Sony Vaio at work with a 10 inch screen. It truly is tiny. It doesn't lack features though - DVD-RW, Firewire, Bluetooth and wireless ethernet and a decent sized hard disk. It is expensive though - it's more expensive than my 12 inch PowerBook and it still doesn't have a metal case. (That's one of the things I like about the PowerBook - not only is it price competitive with similar form factor PC laptops, but being made out of metal I don't worry about it getting scratched or cracked in the back compartment of my $14 K-Mart back pack - which incidentally, it fits precisely, like the backpack was *made* for a PowerBook!)

I don't get it (3, Insightful)

Apreche (239272) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870874)

Why would anyone want a laptop so big? The point of a laptop is that it is portable, you can take it with you places. If it's 20"+ diagonally that really doesn't fit in any bag I know. It's one thing if you are using it as a desktop replacement. And it's another thing if you are using it for something like a display in your booth at a trade show. But for a computer you use on the plane, train and other public spaces it's gotta be smaller. Right now the only things that even come close to good enough are incredibly expensive laptops from japan, the small vaios, the fujitsu lifebook p series and the 12" apples. I haven't found any other laptop even close to small enough.

Re:I don't get it (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871020)

People want odd things. I saw someone in a busy London Underground carriage the other day trying to Photoshop a company logo on a 17" Powerbook balanced on their knees.

Personally, a 12" laptop is the largest I would call properly portable (this post typed on a 15.4" widescreen that I would not like to use anywhere but at my desk or sofa).

Re:I don't get it (1)

shadow303 (446306) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871058)

These aren't the laptops you are looking for. Seriously, these aren't intended to be used for what you want. If you want your laptop primarily as something to use on a plane or train, then clearly you want to go with one of the itty-bitty ones. However for somebody like me, a 20-inch laptop sounds great. My laptop is primarily a desktop replacement that I can use while lounging on the couch. It is also plenty portable enough that I can pack it up to go hang out at the local coffee shop, or take with me when I have to fix somebody else's computer. Size and weight aren't really of concern for me. I wouldn't have any trouble lugging it around either, and I have all of the athletic prowess of your stereotypical geek.

Heh.. Heh.. Cmon babe (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13870875)

You always get a 20-inch lap top when you're with the Q-man! OWWH!

Result of better PDA technology (4, Insightful)

RevMike (632002) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870880)

This is a direct result of better PDA technology. Devices like the Treo, Blackberry, and ultra-light tablets are allowing the normal business user avoid lugging around a normal laptop and still have access to email and office suite apps. So the pressure to make laptops more portable has been relieved by the emergence of a new market segment and devices specifically aimed at being ultra-portable.

Meanwhile, the desktop users, all but the l33test gamers, and developers are demanding more powerful transportable devices. They don't need to travel accross the country, but would like the flexibility of using their PCs from their living room or the backyard without sacrificing their big screens and better power.

The transportable desktop replacement business is naturally growing while the ultraportable segment is shrinking.

Excellent - the more powerful the better (1)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870883)

The most recent issue of Linux Magazine [] had an editorial article on needing bigger, more powerful laptops. I agree completely - my HP zd7000 laptop sits on my desk at home until I take it to work where it then sits on my desk there. I need it to be powerful and portable, but not necessarily great for working on at an airport waiting lounge. As long as it runs FC4 on VMWare fine, I'm happy.

Are there not more compact LCDs? (1)

Jargon Scott (258797) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870885)

Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but I thought you could get tiny (like 5x5cm) lcd "chips" that do 800x600. Couldn't a display be built that's at a more reasonable 14" diagonal but has a higher resolution, like all the way to the 1080p standard?


I like it (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870887)

I am not sure if I am ready for a 20" laptop, but I would sure like the choices in the 17" models to increase. Maybe this will drive down the price of the displays and improve the popularity of these models.

At what point ? (0, Redundant)

MajorDick (735308) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870891)

Does a laptop become NOT a laptop.

I have a heck of a problem opening my 15 inch Toshiba up on a plane in Coach class as it is . a 20 inch ...Id have to spring for first class...

Re:At what point ? (1)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870899)

Yeah, they are meant for these people who fly 1st class. :P

Not laptops (2, Informative)

unoengborg (209251) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870893)

I have a 13" screen on my current laptop. When I'm buying a new one I would probably want it to be smaller rather than bigger. Perhaps 12" with 1024x768 resolution, with a weght that hopfully will be below 1 kg.

What the article really is saying, is that the end is near for the standard desktop computer. These new large screen semi portable "laptops" will replace them. The price of standard desktops are allready falling rapidly.

Re:12.1" with a screen res of 1280x768 (1)

Dimble ThriceFoon (567451) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870950)

would be ideal for me.

Laptop gauge (3, Insightful)

VincenzoRomano (881055) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870902)

We all hope that Philips [] will speed the technology up.
Wider screens means also heavier batteries and bulkier carrying bags!
And also more fragile devices!

Samsung Laptop (1)

monklegacy (925085) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870904)

Wow! I really dig that laptop.

Once laptops overcome the upgrade/heat/speed issues I just might replace my desktop with a powerful, smaller (but big screened) upgradeable laptop. Until then I'll stick to my desktop which, I am able to upgrade/cool/and have faster cpu.

my opinion (1)

Dimble ThriceFoon (567451) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870916)

i have two widescreen laptops, a 15.4" acer and a 14.1" acer. having used both, the former is unusable as an everyday portable object, and thus the reason why i got the latter. 14.1" widescreen is as big as i would be willing to carry around, ideally i would like a 12.1" widescreen like my boss has, for this is the ideal combination of power and portability.

Best of both worlds: 12" laptop, 22" screen (1)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870968)

My wife uses a 12" Powerbooks with a 22" Cinema display, USB keyboard, and USB multi-button mouse. On the road, she has something very compact. On her desk, she has a large screen and comfortable input devices.

I believe that all of Apple's current Powerbooks come with DVI and I would assume that some PC laptops include it too. It's a great way to have a big screen that you don't have to carry.

Finally I'll be able to show up that wiseass Smith (2, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#13870973)

At last, a status symbol worthy of my small penis size!


Bigger smaller laptops.... (0)

TangoCharlie (113383) | more than 8 years ago | (#13871008)

What they really need to do is squeeze a nice 20" wide screen display into the space of a 13" dispaly. That would be cool.

Quite a challenge... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13871063)

Using a 20-inch-wide laptop in an economy airline seat.

I must get one immediately so my boss will be forced to upgrade all my flights to business class.
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