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Daredevil, Red Planet and Miss Congeniality ... (4, Funny)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872138)

Were those films part of the evidence or his punishment?

Hmmm... both! (-1, Redundant)

linumax (910946) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872236)

They are actually the evidence that this guy has already been severely punished (by watching those movies)
So let go of him!

Re:Daredevil, Red Planet and Miss Congeniality ... (4, Funny)

Alphabet Pal (895900) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872481)

Seems to me he was doing the RIAA a favor - at least a dozen would-be pirates must have logged on, seen these three movies and thought, "well, hell, this piracy thing may be free, but it's still overpriced. I'm going to blockbuster."

I am aghast (-1, Troll)

Frothy Walrus (534163) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872139)

Users of piracy software are NOT responsible for any piracy which may occur when they put pirated content online for others to pirate. The EFF better be all over this.

Re:I am aghast (4, Insightful)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872206)

Bittorrent gives a grey area... you are not just 'getting' the file, but also 'hosting' pieces of it (or the entire thing if its still in the sharing network when you have the complete file). It isn't as open-shut as you imply.

Re:I am aghast (0, Troll)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872247)

Users of piracy software are NOT responsible for any piracy which may occur when they put pirated content online for others to pirate.

OK. Fine. Who is? I mean, I've heard of victim-less crimes, but perpetrator-less crimes?

The EFF better be all over this.

OH NO!!! Not... the EFF!! I can feel the AAuthorities trembling from here...

Re:I am aghast (1)

Dr. Evil (3501) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872314)

Yeah, the EFF is going to sue this "China" out of existance! They don't stand a chance!

Selection... (2, Funny)

thebdj (768618) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872141)

He had been charged in April for uploading three Hollywood blockbusters to the net - Daredevil, Red Planet and Miss Congeniality.

There is no accounting for taste...
If I am getting caught, it damned well better be for "Good" movies...

Re:Selection... (3, Insightful)

Vancorps (746090) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872227)

The movies were crap and it might help illustrate at least one reason why people pirate. I mean really, who is going to pay for those movies?

Course you also look at another movie readily available online. "It's All Gone, Pete Tong." Its a good movie but wasn't readily available for a good while so it was the fastest way to share a great film which I then purchased. Its much easier to pay for something you will actually enjoy.

Although this has go to be embarassing, busted for pirating Miss Congeniality? Ouch!

Re:Selection... (2, Interesting)

macdaddy357 (582412) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872417)

Blockbusters? I thought blockbusters were highly successful and popular films, not box office poison. Maybe that word does not mean what I think it means, or maybe that word does not mean what the author of the article thinks it means.

Next Gen p2p (5, Informative)

VAXGeek (3443) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872147)

All actions like these do is force development of next gen p2p like Mute Filesharing.

http://mute-net.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]

Re:Next Gen p2p (4, Insightful)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872294)

All actions like these do is force development of next gen p2p like Mute Filesharing

All it will take to totally bust systems like that is a small change to the law, to make it so that if you operate a system participating in such a p2p network, you are liable for infringement using your system.

Since these systems have no advantage whatsoever over non-anonymous systems like Bittorrent except when being used to distribute material illegally, it will be easy to get such a change to the law made.

Re:Next Gen p2p (2, Insightful)

JustAnotherBob (811208) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872347)

How about distribution political criticism, anonymously? Under the current political climate,(Usage of a grand jury to indite members of the press, to disclose their sources, with threats of imprisonment for noncompliance), if they had their way I'm sure they would most certainly like a proposition that you suggested to become law. But the last time I checked, the US Constitution's 1st amendment provides us with freedom of the press, which to my understanding, included the internet as such a publication medium.

Re:Next Gen p2p (2, Insightful)

nate nice (672391) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872414)

They would laugh your argument right out of the courtroom. And yes, the first amendment allows rights to speech, but if you say the wrong things, it can be held against you. You can speak out agaisnt the president, but you cannot talk about ways to kill him.

Re:Next Gen p2p (4, Insightful)

Jherek Carnelian (831679) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872449)

Yes you can. You just can't threaten to do it. Just like you can't threaten to do it with anyone else. The only difference is that he's got his own security force actively looking for threats and running them down while most everyone else won't even know they've been threatened unless you do it to them directly and they have to go to the police and courts themselves.

Re:Next Gen p2p (3, Informative)

Teckla (630646) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872408)

All actions like these do is force development of next gen p2p like Mute Filesharing.

MUTE looks even worse than BitTorrent. If you participate in the network, even if you personally never download anything illegally, copyrighted material may be flowing through your connection. I'd worry about being held liable for copyright infringement just by knowingly and willingly allowing my connection to be used in this way.

Re:Next Gen p2p (1)

brainburger (792239) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872476)

You wouldn't be knowingly doing so though, would you? - At least, not with specific infringing items.
Otherwise, why aren't ISPs and backbone providers prosecuted for allowing infringement?

Re:Next Gen p2p (2, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872412)

So they should just give up?

Why is this sort of comment always very near the top of slashdot comments in all stories to do with a P2P user being convicted of copyright infringement? Wheres the comments denouncing the act of copyright infringement that took place? This person broke some laws and is being punished for it, and the top thing on slashdot is how to avoid being caught. Wonderful.

Going to jail for DAREDEVIL??!?!?!? (4, Funny)

pythas (75383) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872148)

Out of all the movies to go to jail for, this guy picks Daredevil. Ugh.

Blockbusters? (0)

JDooty1234 (253000) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872149)

It was probably better to download them than pay $9 a pop to see these "blockbusters". He should be given some sort of recognition for his service to humanity.

Circle the Wagons, Call Marshall Dillon (2, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872150)

We can't be havin' none a these varmints tarnishin' the good ol' name o' BitTorrent.

Next thin ya'll know, dang ol' house o' repersentatives an' courts an' lawyers be tarrin' it all up with the same brush used on Gnutella, Kazah and whatnot.

Dang. Put me right offen my coffee!

Well, duh... (-1, Flamebait)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872156)

Why don't you go out this monday night and grab a bunch of kids trick or treat bags... its all stealing, either way you look at it!
Just because its a new medium doesn't make it any right...er?

And to be caught and sent to a Chinese prison for... daredevil? Ick.... that just ain't worth it.

Re:Well, duh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872191)

actually that sounds like a good idea.

im not kidding i am gonna go steal some kids candy, and know it is wrong.

then i am gonna go copy a dvd and know its not wrong

I wish people would stop using this analogy (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872225)

"Why don't you go out this monday night and grab a bunch of kids trick or treat bags... its all stealing, either way you look at it!"

How many times must this get corrected on /. before people stop using this false analogy? If you take a kid's candy, you have the candy and he does not. On the other hand, if you share a movie over the Net, you still have the movie, and so does the other guy. This is not stealing, it's copyright infringement.

Re:I wish people would stop using this analogy (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872285)

you are stealing would-be profit from the movie industry

Re:I wish people would stop using this analogy (2, Insightful)

72beetle (177347) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872321)

you are stealing would-be profit from the movie industry

Sigh. You can't quantify a possible sale. It has no value. There's no guarantee that had circumstances been different, the person would have actually bought the movie. Your argument holds no water. /done feeding trolls

Re:I wish people would stop using this analogy (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872418)

from:
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/economicprofit .asp [investopedia.com]

"In calculating economic profit, opportunity costs are deducted from revenues earned. Opportunity costs are the alternative returns foregone by using the chosen inputs. As a result, you can have a significant accounting profit with little to no economic profit."

Re:I wish people would stop using this analogy (1, Insightful)

RangerRick98 (817838) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872349)

Hardly. I'd NEVER pay to see these movies, but I might download them for free out of curiosity. Either way, no money goes from my pockets to theirs.

Re:I wish people would stop using this analogy (2, Insightful)

Animaether (411575) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872444)

"Hardly. I'd NEVER pay to see these movies, but I might download them for free out of curiosity. Either way, no money goes from my pockets to theirs."

No, but IP - or entertainment, or lack thereof if you will, goes from THEIR pockets to your brain in a way.

Just as you would never pay to see those movies, they would never let you see those movies for free. I believe that's fair enough.

If you don't want to pay to see those movies, wait for them to be aired on T.V. even though you'd still be paying for them then, you at least wouldn't be participating in copyright infringement.
IF you have some argument against that (taking too long before it airs, etc.) then obviously you do have a vested interest in seeing it when you want - and some form of compensation, typicall in the form of money, is not absurd.

Re:I wish people would stop using this analogy (4, Insightful)

jazman (9111) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872454)

Only in the same way that going for a walk steals a sale of petrol from the garage. Or that going for a drive steals a sale from the bicycle shop. Or that going for a bicycle ride steals a sale from a shoe shop. Just about anything you do could be considered as stealing a sale from something else, so this is not a helpful way of looking at things. Eating chicken tonight? You've just stolen a sale from a beef farmer. Eating beef? Ditto for chicken farmers. Going veggie? You've just stolen loads of sales from all meat-based industries.

So stop with the "stealing a sale" stuff please; it's pure bollocks.

Re:I wish people would stop using this analogy (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872305)

I think that was what the "..er" was for. It was not flame-bait or a troll , It was merely pointing out how ludicrous the whole thing is .

Looks like this year for Halloween i shall be going as a Movie industry exec or a lawyer . That ought to scare a few people when I arrive on their doorstep "Trick or subpoena "

Re:I wish people would stop using this analogy (3, Insightful)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872443)

Just as many times as people point out this "correction" as if it really mattered - it's illegal either way, regardless of what you call it.

Re:I wish people would stop using this analogy (1)

Animaether (411575) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872480)

stealing, copyright infringement... it's both illicit :)

And while you may think one is morally less objectionable than the other, you'd be kidding yourself if you were to think it's perfectly a-ok.
( not saying that you do - but there's plenty reading and posting here that do )

Re:Well, duh... (1)

dbolger (161340) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872255)

If I could take the sweets from those kids, and after I'd "stolen them", they still had the exact same amount of sweets, I would have no moral problem with it. But hey, I'm taking the analogy too far, right?

Depends who's doing it. (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872292)

Why don't you go out this monday night and grab a bunch of kids trick or treat bags... its all stealing, either way you look at it! Just because its a new medium doesn't make it any right...er?

When you do it it's stealing. When the gummint does it, it's taxes.

The worst, most blatant piracy I've seen in my live was in educational institutions and government offices, where they'll just copy stuff, install it on more than one computer, etc. Is this the original form of "Entertainment Tax"?

And to be caught and sent to a Chinese prison for... daredevil? Ick.... that just ain't worth it.

What do you know about chinese prisons?

Outside Hong Kong I'd expect token punishment to show willing in complying with international copyrights and so on. In Hong Kong I'm not sure. Under the brits the guy would do cold porridge, under the special HK administration, who knows?

I did have an ebay run-in with a weasel in Hong Kong, which I brought in the police for. It's in my journal.

Re:Well, duh... (2, Interesting)

Joe Random (777564) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872316)

Why don't you go out this monday night and grab a bunch of kids trick or treat bags... its all stealing, either way you look at it!
Sigh. Not this again. No, it's not stealing. At worst, it's copyright infringement, although the [MP|RI]AA seems to be doing a decent job of convincing everyone otherwise.

A better analogy would be if you had access to a replicating machine, and little kids allowed you to use it to make copies of their candy. Still, even that analogy breaks down when you consider that movies, unlike candy, are not consumable.

Perhaps a better analogy would be going into a library and photocopying one of the books so that you could take it home and read it at your leisure. If you saw someone walking out of the library with such a copy, would you point and shout "Thief! Thief!", in the same manner which you might if you saw a shoplifter shove a dozen DVDs down their pants and try to leave the store? No? Then it's not stealing.

Where'd they find the blockbuster? (1)

Kid Zero (4866) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872158)

'Cause there hasn't been anything out this year that would make me want to waste a couple of hours (or days) downloading a copy. I'd rather have the DVD if it's that important.

Re:Where'd they find the blockbuster? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872342)

How are you "wasting time"? Do you always sit in front of your computer and watch the bar as you download something? If you do, you are an idiot.

Novel Idea! (4, Insightful)

Evil W1zard (832703) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872159)

Wow so they are taking down the person who took part in the copyright infringement and not the software used... Oh wait its still early in the day, I'm sure BitTorrent will be blamed once again for its ability to be used for evil purposes...

Misleading summary (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872162)

Daredevil? Blockbuster?

Here we go again (4, Insightful)

PIPBoy3000 (619296) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872166)

These threads are quickly becoming a rehash of all the previous file sharing threads. Queue the people saying he was breaking the law, the people talking how sharing information isn't stealing, and finally all the people claiming that information wants to be free.

How is this lawsuit different than all the others?

Re:Here we go again (5, Funny)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872320)

Don't forget the grammar pedants who waste everyone's time without contributing to the discussion. That's "cue", not "queue", BTW.

Re:Here we go again (1)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872330)

Bittorrent is #1 the most popular file sharing mechanism, especially among novices.

Second it is insecure on the public servers which seem to all be building war chests to fight the industry when it comes.

Third other than the RIAA many copy protection lawsuits have targetted the sharers rather than the people downloading with bittorrent these people are increadibly exposed.

Fourth a lawsuit strongly in the favour of the motion picture industry will have a huge impact almost immediatly because bittorrent is somewhat centralized and I.P. addresses for leechers are totally exposed.

Unlike trying to shut down usenet, the napster clones, or any other service a judgement here has the potential of breaking illegal P2P.

Re:Here we go again (1)

amightywind (691887) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872364)

These threads are quickly becoming a rehash of all the previous file sharing threads.

Isometric flamewars are slashdot stock and trade. Better that than discussing the pros and cons of space elevators, hmm?

Re:Here we go again (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872398)

How is this lawsuit different than all the others?

He's going to jail for sharing crap no one in their right mind would want to buy anyway?

Re:Here we go again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872439)


Queue the people saying he was breaking the law...

You mean "cue." A "queue" is a line or buffer of some sort, while a "cue" (in the context of theatre) is a command or indication to do something. Your post is one of the rare instances in which either would technically suffice, but "cue" is much more common in this type of expression.

No crime for good taste... (5, Funny)

LV-427 (315309) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872167)

Daredevil, Red Planet and Miss Congeniality.

Piracy is the least of his problems...

Re:No crime for good taste... (0, Flamebait)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872434)

I don't think we, as slashdotters, can really comment on his bad taste, after all, we post here, despite being run by Zonk and certain other editors.

Fix the headline (4, Insightful)

eison (56778) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872168)

I use BitTorrent to get the updates for World of Warcraft. I'm not guilty of 'piracy' for that.

Headline should read: "People who share copyrighted movies guilty of copyright infringement."

But I guess that wouldn't get as much of a reaction, what with it being obvious and all...

Re:Fix the headline (2, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872220)

I use BitTorrent to get the updates for World of Warcraft. I'm not guilty of 'piracy' for that.

It doesn't say "BitTorrent Users Guilty of Piracy" it says "BitTorrent User Guilty of Piracy". Move along.

Re:Fix the headline (1)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872223)

There's nothing wrong with the headline. It used to read "BitTorrent guilty of net piracy" a few hours ago, but I emailed them and they fixed it.

Re:Fix the headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872276)

Headline should read: "People who share copyrighted movies guilty of copyright infringement."

No. It should read: "Internet User Guilty Of Piracy".

Or better yet: "A Movie Fan With No Taste Guilty Of Piracy".

Huh? (1)

spuke4000 (587845) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872295)

The headline doesn't imply that all bittorrent users are pirates, just one, who used bittorrent and was convicted of piracy, is.

It's like saying that a headline reading 'Driver charged with hit an run' means that all drivers a running people down.

In other news ... (5, Insightful)

TheGavster (774657) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872169)

In other news, a man in Delaware has been found guilty of beating another man to death with a toaster. The toaster industry declined to comment.

Re:In other news ... (1)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872280)

Are you sure about that? I found nothing on my local newspaper's website about a toaster-related murder.

Some notes from the trial (4, Informative)

bartash (93498) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872185)

The government prosecutor Hayson Tse Ka-sze said it would be "absurd" to argue that the tracker server and not the uploader was responsible for distribution [ucla.edu] . He defined distribution as "sharing" and said the court would have to look at the intent of the legislation

Copyright-infringing copies of three films - Daredevil, Red Planet and Miss Congeniality -- were found on the defendant's computer [ucla.edu] during a customs raid on his home on January 12. Photo images of the labels of the compact discs were also found on the computer. A digital camera consistent with the make and model used to take the photos was found at the defendant's home, government prosecutor Hayson Tse Ka-sze told the court.

Re:Some notes from the trial (1)

Fanro (130986) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872232)

how do they know these were copyright infringing copies, as opposed to legal backups?

And are photos of cd labels illegal in Hong Kong?

Re:Some notes from the trial (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872269)

How do you know Hong Kong copyright law allows you to make backups? If it doesn't, then backup or not they're still infringing.

This isn't the deterrent. Price is! (2, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872186)

What I want to know, and the article doesn't say, is whether he was a "distributer" or whether he was just an unlucky sharer that was downloading a movie and got nabbed. If he was seeding the torrent, whatever -- he deserved it, I'd think that it would be "scarier" if he was just a user downloading/uploading by using the seeded torrent.

"This ruling means a lot," said Hong Kong Commerce Secretary John Tsang, explaining that it would deter other possible file-sharers.

What deters me is simply that it's more worth it to just buy the movie in the store. I don't have to waste bandwidth downloading it, the time to burn it to DVD, and my drive space while I do that. Most movies (especially real suck ass ones like Dardevil) are available for $7.50 at Target all the time. Hell, I just got Season 1 of Nip/Tuck for $18.88 two weekends ago!

Re:This isn't the deterrent. Price is! (3, Insightful)

NeoSkandranon (515696) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872410)

The only difference between a seeder and the other users is that the seeder has the completed copy. In both cases you're uploading something you don't have distribution rights for, so I'm curious how you're making the distinction.

Re:This isn't the deterrent. Price is! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872423)

Yah, that way you can save that precious bandwidth for all those porn movies you download.

Nor would you want to take up any of the 18 hours you spend playing fantasy games on the net. that would be a "waste" hee hee

It takes all of 8 minutes to burn a dvd, and god knows, with 500 gig harddrives these days, there is not enough room to store a 4 gig dvd on your hard drive.

Re:This isn't the deterrent. Price is! (2, Interesting)

KarmaOverDogma (681451) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872467)

"...If he was seeding the torrent, whatever -- he deserved it, I'd think that it would be 'scarier' if he was just a user downloading/uploading by using the seeded torrent."

I think that was exactly the point of the lawsuit; they (the media industry) want to give *all* who use bit-torrent for illegal distribution of copyrighted materials pause. Not just the seeder, but all those who consequently share the bandwidth of it as well (i.e., the leechers).

I would imagine that the only difference beween being a seeder or a leecher might possibly be the penalty the prosecutor asked for; unauthorized seeder or leecher - it's illegal just the same.

I'm not saying I like what happened, and I too would like to know if he was the original seeder, but I guess what I'm trying to say is - I don't think the media industry cares too much. I agree that going after leechers has more chilling implications, but that's probably what they're aiming for.

Re:This isn't the deterrent. Price is! (4, Insightful)

MarkByers (770551) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872469)

'I don't have to waste bandwidth downloading it'

Bandwidth is very cheap and getting cheaper and faster. It won't be long before it is faster to download a film than it is to walk to the video store and back. In some places it already is that fast. Besides, most people have unlimited bandwidth deals where if you *aren't* using it, you are wasting more money than if you use it to it's full potential. Most programs can download in the background so that they do not disturb your browsing etc.

'the time to burn it to DVD'

You can do this in the background. If you use a modern OS like Ubuntu with built in support for burning to DVD, burning to disc is such a trivial exercise that it's hard to understand how Windows makes it so hard to do this simple task quickly. Even if you don't want to burn it, you can watch the film directly from your hard disk and then delete it when you are done.

'my drive space'

Because drive space is a scarce commodity? All you need is a gigabyte or two free for the twenty minutes it takes to burn.

It's not that I condone copyright infringement, but you will have a hard time convincing other people that they should go out in the rain/snow, etc. to buy a film rather than download it from the comfort of their own home.

Wouldn't it be simpler if the music industry just decided that downloading films via the internet was a viable business strategy?

Prison Brake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872189)

DIASlipperySoapIncident

Not surprising (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872196)

How can anyone really be shocked by what goes down legally in Hong Kong and China?

hhhmmm... (1)

irchs (752829) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872210)

They only seem to target people downloading the "Summer blockerbusters" or the films that Hollywood seem to think will do well with the retards of the world. No wonder he torrented them, I wouldn't pay to see them :P (Or download them for that matter :P)

A sign that audiences are getting smarter?! (I don't think so)

Jan

Overview (1)

Fanro (130986) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872211)

Is there an overview about the different rulings around the world and involving different software?

for example, which platform has the most 'guilty' cases? or which land?

I don't buy it! (2, Funny)

spidergoat2 (715962) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872218)

Piracy? In China? The Chinese government would never allow that to happen. Now that this guy has been caught, that will be the end of trademake infringement in China.

Imagine the introductions (1)

Recovering Hater (833107) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872231)

"What are you in for?" "Pirating movies on the internet." "Really? What did you bootleg?" "Daredevil.. and-" "Wait one second! Did you say Daredevil!?" "Yeah." "So you like blind superheros huh. Well you'll fit right in here pal. You're gonna end up doing some things to yourself that will make you go blind. And if they don't I'm gonna do some things to you that will make you wish you were blind. Nice to meetcha." "Damn."

who was prosecuting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872233)

who was he being charged by? was in china? or interpol for international copyright laws? or the us? check my site [therightcoast.net] so im not sooo anonymous.

Didn't the guy ever leave his house?! (4, Insightful)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872242)

This is hilarious because if the guy had simply left his apartment and walked to the nearest corner, he could have bought the DVD for next to nothing.

It's amazing to me that real piracy, where huge profits are made, is ignored while file sharing between friends is hammered.

Re:Didn't the guy ever leave his house?! (2, Funny)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872346)

It's amazing to me that real piracy, where huge profits are made, is ignored while file sharing between friends is hammered.

They relate more to the capitalist pirates than to the hippie sharers. THESE guys must be stopped!

Re:Didn't the guy ever leave his house?! (3, Funny)

ohsoot (699507) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872376)

Thus proving the point that nerds don't pirate movies to avoid paying, they do it to avoid leaving the house and having to interact with other humans.

Re:Didn't the guy ever leave his house?! (1)

Beatbyte (163694) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872380)

He did leave his house at least to purchase the DVD's. He took pictures of the DVD's and their covers. I guess I don't have to say RTFA? ;)

Re:Didn't the guy ever leave his house?! (4, Insightful)

Animaether (411575) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872415)

"while file sharing between friends is hammered."

s/file sharing/copyright infringement/

s/friends/thousands of people across the globe, most of them perfect strangers and a handful of people you'd probably evade if you did know them/

Misnomers (2, Insightful)

StormReaver (59959) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872259)

1) The guy didn't get arrested for using Bit Torrent to illegally distribute others' work. He was arrested for illegally distributing others' work (re-read that until you understand the distinction).

2) This was not an arrest for using file sharing software. This was an arrest for copyright infringement. The tool that was used is immaterial.

Allow me to save y'all some typing (3, Funny)

Mr. Cancelled (572486) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872263)

We've all seen enough of these types of stories here on /. to know what to expect in the discussion thread. Allow me to sum up about 75% of the inevitable replies:

  • Good! Pirates deserve to be punished for stealing others works
  • Pirating is copyright infringement - Not stealing
  • I can't believe the hypocrisy of Slashdot readers who find it ok to steal music and movies, but who find infringements from the likes of Sco and Microsoft to be wrong
  • It's people like this who are causing movie ticket prices to be so high
  • If they'd make better movies, then more people would go to see them in the big theatre, and not prefer to watch them at home
  • Why are people who commit copyright infringement given sentences equal to, or often more than those given to violent offenders? One's clearly a crime, while the others merely a misdemeanor
  • Come on and get me MPAA/RIAA - I've got the guts to fight you! I'm going to keep sharing stuff just to piss you off. Muwahahahaha

And so on...

Re:Allow me to save y'all some typing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872407)

  • Profit

"Blockbusters?" (2, Funny)

dtmancom (925636) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872278)

If on some planet those movies are considered to be 'blockbusters,' then his main legal defense should be, "But this is Earth."

Where's the justice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872279)

This guy could be facing jail time and hefty fines while the people that made and starred in these god forsaken movies took thousands of hours of innocent movie-goers precious life away never to be returned are walking the streets free (and rich)....

well.. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13872296)

I live in HK, I've been following the story for a while.

the guy was seeding the films.

the customs and excise agents tracked him down by monitoring local torrent sites and then following up with his ISP from his IP address.

it looks like they downloaded the films(or started to anyway) themselves in order to get his IP address

this is a major deterrent to the endemic problem here of pirated DVD's. The pirates download them via bit torrent and then burn them and sell them on the street or in dodgy DVD shops in certain computer malls here.

It's already been stated here in the press that since this guy got arrested, P2P downloads have dropped by 50% from within the territory, it's a short term thing..once a suitable alternative comes out, the pirates will start to use it.

Guilty by knowledge? (2, Interesting)

gaanagaa (784648) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872298)

So if a tech-unsavy person is uploading while downloading as part of the protocol, s/he is likely not intending to infringe copyright in the uploading, and therefore likely not guilty of an infringement. However, the downloading itself may be an infringement, and by virtue of clicking the link, you have shown intention (though shown, it's not proven; accidental clicking, etc.). Incidentally, I do not know what would happen if you were downloading a copyrighted movie you already own (fair use/dealing), and you were aware of the uploading. In that case you may be infringing copyright, but at the same time exercising your right to a backup, though to exercise that right through the bittorrent protocol, the only means of acquiring a backup given the DVD copy protection, you must redistribute and inherently infringe portions of the copyright.

Re:Guilty by knowledge? (3, Informative)

nickname225 (840560) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872387)

The law (in the U.S.) recognizes two types of intent. There is "Specific Intent" - meaning that you intended the effects that occurred. An example of a specific intent crime is Murder. To be guilty of Murder you had to intend to kill. Most crimes in the U.S. are NOT specific intent crimes. The other kind of intent is "General Intent". General intent means that you intended to do what you did - even if you did not intent the consequences that occurred. An example of a general intent crime is Negligent Man slaughter - You intended to drop the brick out the window - You didn't intend to kill. So - If you intend to click on the download button - that intent is sufficient to support a conviction for uploading. Because intent can never be proven - in courts it is supported by circumstantial evidence. I am a lawyer and I work tangentially in the criminal law arena

question (1)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872329)

Is a person truly guilty of a crime if they only download these movies but refrain from profiting or watching them.. but they simply use the opportunity to aid the global community in accessing this information ?

Beware of the Wedge Issue (4, Insightful)

pieterh (196118) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872341)

Such court cases only happen because the movie industry pressures courts and law enforcement, presumably with some support from U.S. trade or diplomatic channels. Now, the clever thing about such court cases is that they focus on the black/white legality of an action, and ignore the wider ramifications. Very typical of the divide and rule approach. You are either for the movie industry, or you are for thr pirates. This is what Fox TV calls a "wedge issue" and it's a clever way of keeping people divided while avoiding useful debate.

It is a false issue, and anyone discussing whether "piracy is right or wrong" is falling into the trap.

What most people actually are for is a better way of getting content. We don't like thieves. We don't like stealing. But we find paying $50-$100 to take the family to the movies unjustly expensive.

The movie, music and TV industry has to give its customers what they want, or they will - court cases or not - lose those customers.

And the simple solution, by the way, is to boycott Holywood, and boycott the record labels that sponsor the RIAA. Consumers do not have much power, but - as Rosa Parks demonstrated - even the most humble of us can refuse to give our money to those that would mistreat us.

Down with bittorrent! (1)

rmadmin (532701) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872375)

OMG!! Lets get rid of bittorrent now!! It can't possibly have any use other than piracy!!! Lets make it "illegal software"... At first I thought the title said "Bittorrent users guilt of piracy". I was like "Uh.. no" I downloaded knoppix from a torrent last night.. only reason it caught my eye. :)

Blockbusters (3, Informative)

Gogo0 (877020) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872401)

Pretty off-topic, but whatever...

Hollywood Blockbusters

A "Blockbuster" is a movie that grosses $100 Million or more.
Red Planet brought in $33 Million worldwide, nowhere near a blockbuster as it is defined.

But then I guess anything that comes out of hollywood (or even before it comes out) is considered a blockbuster these days, regardless of how bad it is. Hooray for marketing.

Having been to China... (4, Informative)

crashcodesdotcom (813209) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872445)

In China...

Pirated copies of all kinds of things are sold at shops out in the open for all to see. They don't even try to hide it.

At one place I thought was like a flee market, they were selling GBA cartridges for about $5 US (before haggling). The cartridges looked legit at first. I just assumed they were used, then I saw a 6 games in one cartridge. Not a game like the Atari collection or something like that but like 6 Super Mario games in one including a recently released title.

Another place I went to was in a strip mall like shop. It looked like a retail buy/sell/trade place you might find in the US. Maybe like a mini version of an EB games store. The clerk behaved just like someone working at EB might act. Not pushy, but really zealous about gaming. I didn't even know it was a store for pirated stuff, until the issue of price came up. A few games were priced higher than the others only because it required a different type of DVD. Between that and the prices, I finally realized what they were selling.

The point of all this? I wonder if most Chinese have even given piracy moral consideration. /.ers may be pro piracy, insulted by the word pirace, anti-piracy, or whatever; but at least moral consideration was made at some point.

For a long time, I've been very careful about piracy and stuff. I got my own convinctions about it, and I try hard to hold true to them. I've explained this to my wife, who is from China, over and over again. Yet she continually puts me in compromising situations, and has to be reminded why I wont go along with it. Outside of my influence, I don't think she has any considerations toward piracy whatsoever.

strange fixation on transfer protocol name (5, Informative)

Ahaldra (534852) | more than 8 years ago | (#13872459)

I cannot remember any slashdot article reading "HTTP user guilty of piracy" - What is it with BitTorrent that people are so hung up on the name of the transfer protocol?
Just because it's fast doesn't make it illegal! Every time a dumb headline like this is posted the tech crowd shoots itself in the foot - It's like saying "Porsche driver guilty of manslaughter", these two things may have something to do with each other, but expressing it this way makes it appear as if they are causally related - which they are not.
It's not that this specific transfer protocol enables copyright infringement right out of the box or anything....

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