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Sony Profits Low, Halts CRT Production

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the pitch-the-baby-the-bathwater-and-the-tub dept.

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mtndue1 writes "Forbes is reporting that with lower than expected profits, Sony is halting the production of CRT's for televisions at many of its plants. The restructuring move is meant to catch the company up with other manufacturers who moved to LCD displays more quickly." From the article: " In the second quarter to September, net profit dropped 46.5 pct to 28.5 bln yen, pressured by 32.3 bln yen in restructuring expenses to write down the impaired value of its cathode-ray tube (CRT) plants. Under the plant closure program, Sony will shut down some of its CRT television assembly factories by March 2008 in order to shift its focus to the flat-screen TV business ... In a bid to revive its game division, Sony plans to release its next-generation stand-alone PlayStation 3 game console in the spring. To speed up development of PlayStation 3, Sony plans to devote 410 bln yen to capital investment in the year to March, up from 356.8 bln yen a year earlier."

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It's about time... (1, Informative)

bassgoonist (876907) | more than 8 years ago | (#13888925)

LCD may not be superior in all ways, but for the average consumer the small size is ideal. Although sony isn't the best, I'd hate to see them go the way of the dodo.

Re:It's about time... (2, Informative)

Allen Zadr (767458) | more than 8 years ago | (#13888956)

When it comes to CRTs, Sony was the best only three years ago. When Mitsubishi started pushing their "DiamondTron" flat-CRTs, totally ripped off from Sony's Trinitron technology.

LCD/DLP/Plasma are still not bright enough for well lit spaces (IMHO). I don't always want to use the basement for my Television viewing.

Re:It's about time... (1)

glenrm (640773) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889085)

Didn't the patent on Trintron expire?

Re:It's about time... (3, Informative)

Zathrus (232140) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889179)

Didn't the patent on Trintron expire?

Yes, but remember -- when it's a patent/copyright/other IP that you hate then it's evil and wrong. When it's something you like, when the IP expires then others "rip off" your hard work.

And I heartily disagree with the grandparent about the brightness factor of LCD/DLP -- my 46" DLP is visible in normal light conditions, in a well lit room. No, I can't see shit on it when the sun is shining directly on the screen, but I can't see shit on a CRT in those circumstances either.

And I suspect he was comparing apples to oranges anyway -- direct view CRT to projection LCD/DLP (since projection is the only way you can view DLP). Compare projection CRT and the LCD/DLP literally shine -- you need as dark a room as possible for projected CRT. Also, if you want much more than 36" diagonal you can't use direct view CRT -- the tubes are just too big, heavy, and expensive (IIRC, the largest direct view tube ever produced for home use was a 44" Mitsubishi).

Re:It's about time... (2, Interesting)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889163)

LCD/DLP/Plasma are still not bright enough for well lit spaces (IMHO). I don't always want to use the basement for my Television viewing.

While I agree with your point I think it is nice that companies are discontinuing production of CRT at once. I think this will increase the competitivity for better flat display TV. And I am sure it will also make its prices drop (and this is something I would really want because the prices are still not affordable for people like me).

Also, as there is more companies concentrating on competing in this technologies I am sure the issues you state are going to be lessen. I would really love to see the flat[or other than CRT] technologies catching as standard alternatives NOW!! (even for developing countries like mine [.MX]) becuase, as a slashdoter said before, when you watch a web page with a CRT tube is like "staring at a 60watt lightbulb", and that is why after 8 hours of continuous work you end with a just-shoot-me-eye strain*.

*Just as a side note try making ALL your background color BLACK and your fonts color white just for 1 day and yo will see how nice is that setup for your eyes [of course, you will also see how ALL the internet pages AND Operating System applications are soooo badly designed specifically for white/bright backgrounds].

Re:It's about time... (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889171)

Sony is still the best for longevity and durability, I've had a 21" Sony CRT in a SGI plastic case for almost 10 years now without a single problem. In that time I've gone through a string of 17" CRT off brands and 4 LCD monitors, 2 on the same HP laptop I am using.

Re:It's about time... (2, Insightful)

Karma_fucker_sucker (898393) | more than 8 years ago | (#13888967)

Although sony isn't the best, I'd hate to see them go the way of the dodo.

That's interesting. SONY used to be considered the top of the line. (Shows you how much time I spend shopping for electronics.)
I wonder what happened. Did they get tired of being the innovators and decide to become the followers: at least in consumer electronics?

Re:It's about time... (4, Insightful)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889086)

That's interesting. SONY used to be considered the top of the line. (Shows you how much time I spend shopping for electronics.) I wonder what happened. Did they get tired of being the innovators and decide to become the followers: at least in consumer electronics?

China, Korea and Malaysia happened. They just couldn't compete with electonics dumping from Samsung, Goldstar, LG, APEX ... etc.

Re:It's about time... (2, Insightful)

m4dm4n (888871) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889156)

Sony are very good at refusing to drop their prices to be competitive. As others have said here already, many other manufacturers have caught up in picture quality, the new Samsungs look & sound beautiful, as do many other brands.

Yet Sony still price their sets like they have no competition.

Re:It's about time... (1)

orderb13 (792382) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889294)

Sony still is the best. They're high end products have no equal. They are harder to find though. When I got my XBR CRT there was only 1 in the entire city (approx 1 million people). Amazingly enough the store that had it was Circuit City. Weird.

Re:It's about time... (0, Redundant)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 8 years ago | (#13888977)

I for one welcome our new Chinese and Korean TV-making overlords.

Re:It's about time... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889214)

Hahaha! You are so fucking boring! Hahaha! Hahaha!

Re:It's about time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889037)

Although sony isn't the best, I'd hate to see them go the way of the dodo.

Oh god no!!! That must not happen... I mean... what if Sony dies before Nintendo... all those Sony fanboys... what are they gonna do? Buy a Revolution and a NDS? Ya know... to play real games for once...?

Re:It's about time... (5, Insightful)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889191)

LCD may not be superior in all ways, but for the average consumer the small size is ideal.

Indeed, and this story really has very little to do with CRTs versus LCDs - It's a simple tale of a very large corporation that lost its way (I stopped buy Sony stuff because what once was an extremely high quality brand turned into an overpriced garbage brand) that's now spastically shifting around to try to regain its footing.

Even more ridiculous is the "SONY IS STOPPING PRODUCTION OF CRTS!" followed by the rather important disclaimer "at most of its plants". That entirely counters the headline, and it more accurately should be "Sony is scaling back CRT production", which seems obvious given how many computers, for instance, come with LCDs now, eliminating the need for such a glut of CRT supply.

Improve quality? (3, Interesting)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 8 years ago | (#13888949)

I wonder if this means Sony is going to start improving their LCD TV quality finally? When I was shopping for an LCD TV recently, the Sony ones were overpriced, ugly and had poor image quality compared to competition.

Re:Improve quality? (1)

Flave (193808) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889064)

Actually, their new Bravia line of LCD TVs is outstanding quality wise. Unfortunately, they're still way overpriced.

And I don't understand this statement: But because we can now use our own LCD panels, we can limit the price fall of LCD TVs to around 15 pct in the year to March.

It sounds like they're saying that since they now make their own LCD panels, they can limit future price erosion. Do they think they're the only game in town?

Re:Improve quality? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889144)

(speculative)

One possibility would be asian "use it or lose it" patent laws: in several asian countries, if you don't actually produce something based on a patent you hold, you can't enforce it, and you will lose it if you try.

Patents prevent commoditisation and drive up prices: Sony has a large patent portfolio, now that they make LCD screens, they can now enforce various LCD-technology related patents, and thus prevent other manufacturers reducing prices by requiring payment of patent licensing fees despite their steadily lowering manufacturing costs as processes improve.

Re:Improve quality? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889114)

honestly the ones I was impressed with were the mid priced wierd-named brands. they had the best picture at a price that made you ignore the high end stuff.

One of the wierd name brands had a contrast level that made all the others look bad. and yes I grabbed the remote and reset all settings on every TV I looked at. I know you cnat make a real assessment without dangling a calibrator over the front and playing a refrence test pattern but if I save $3000.00 and get a great picture who cares.

We are looking to pick up a nice $1500.00 model that is nice and wide and has a fantastic picture.

Welcome to 1990, Sony. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13888957)

CRTs?! Is Sony also still making rabbit ears as well?

Re:Welcome to 1990, Sony. (4, Interesting)

Fireye (415617) | more than 8 years ago | (#13888988)

Welcome to variable resolutions, myriads of colors, quick response time, and incredible flexibility. Yes, I like my CRT's.

Re:Welcome to 1990, Sony. (2, Insightful)

Datamonstar (845886) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889067)

You and me both. I'm going to go right out and get a Sony Trintron in theu nfortunate event that I won't be able to find them in stores come another couple of years. But yeah, Trinitron CRT is the best picture quality you can get hands-down. Heck, CRT's period are surprisingly superior to LCD's in many ways. I hate how the industry is practically forcing the change upon me, but I guess I'll have to conform sometime.

Re:Welcome to 1990, Sony. (2, Insightful)

b1t r0t (216468) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889285)

Heck, CRT's period are surprisingly superior to LCD's in many ways.

But not when it comes to weight. Be sure to get someone to help you lift it. Their 32" flat-CRT HD-ready models weigh around 175 pounds. I've had one for about 2 1/2 years and I had it delivered. If I need to get behind it, I can slide it around on the stand. I'm glad I spent the money for the official Sony stand, it's fits perfectly, and it can hold half a dozen video game consoles.

Re:Welcome to 1990, Sony. (4, Insightful)

digidave (259925) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889289)

I think people who hype LCD and plasma quality are in one of two camps:

1. They have sensitive vision and the brightness of the CRT hurts their eyes (this is why my work computer has an LCD monitor).

2. LCDs are newer and these people keep reading about how great they are.

Side by side in a store it's easy to see that a good CRT provides much better color, brightness and contrast than any LCD or plasma TV. Considering that they are a third the price, I often wonder why there is such a big market for skinny TVs. Can the depth of the TV really make someone spend so much more money?

I also have an issue with plasma vs projection large screen TVs. A good projection TV is indistinguishable from a plasma TV and costs half the price. Why aren't people buying projection instead of plasma?

surprisingly superior to LCD's in many ways (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889293)

They make a better noise when you throw them out of the window?

Re:Welcome to 1990, Sony. (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889337)

Tragically, that would still make them money. With satellite service as of right now, you need an antenna [antennaweb.org] to receive over-the-air HD channels. I did not know this; it turned out to be cheaper to cancel Dish Network's service than to purchase and install a large enough antenna.

Sony still sold CRTs?? (0, Troll)

neologee (532218) | more than 8 years ago | (#13888960)

I havent seen any at sony retailers in 3 years at least! heh.

Re:Sony still sold CRTs?? (1)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 8 years ago | (#13888987)

you'll see plenty if you shop at the cheap consumer-crap places like I do, my 28" Sony TV weighs a ton! I'm hoping LCD will become so cheap I can buy 3' at less than $400, because I'm getting too old to lug around this moster vacuum bottles

Don't forget oem market (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889018)

I havent seen any at sony retailers in 3 years at least! heh.

Sony oem's a large number of Trinitron crt's for other manufacturers.

Re:Don't forget oem market (1)

gid (5195) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889094)

Indeed, my NEC MultiSync FE1250 CRT monitor has a Sony trinitron tube in it. At least according to the graphics guy at my previous employer. You can see two wires streched across the screen, one on top, and one on the bottom when the display is white--apparently a trinitron signature.

Re:Don't forget oem market (1)

orderb13 (792382) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889339)

Is that what that is? I've had an NEC (forget the model) since they came out with "their" trinitron model. I always wondered what those lines were.

I bought one last December (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889212)

A 42 inch flat screen standard aspect ratio trinitron. Weighs 215 lbs, cost $1000. At 215 lbs I don't worry too much about it getting stolen!

It has an incredibly annoying useability problem. It's capable of shrinking the scan lines so you can get widescreen format without wasting scan lines, makes widescreen DVDs a whole lot sharper.

It takes 12 button presses on the remote to get there, and if you shut off the TV, it's standard aspect again even though it's still showing the same DVD requiring 12 more button presses.

I didn't know Down's Syndrome was so prevalent in Japan. It should have a dedicated remote button (it has half a dozen buttons nobody would ever use) and as long as you don't change channels it should stay widescreen. Dumb dumb dumb.

Mostly a good thing (2, Insightful)

Snamh Da Ean (916391) | more than 8 years ago | (#13888978)

If this means there is a much greater supply of LCDs then the price should drop. Does anyone buy who isn't budget constrained buy CRTs anymore?

Re:Mostly a good thing (2, Insightful)

Mprx (82435) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889034)

If you play fast action games then CRTs are still the best, and until LCDs can display at refresh rates of at least 100Hz without blurring they always will be. People saying you can't notice the difference with frame rates higher than 60Hz obviously haven't tested it. CRTs are also best for playing older or emulated games that require a low resolution.

Re:Mostly a good thing (1)

xSauronx (608805) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889291)

and thats why i bought a 19" diamondtron last year when my 17" dell CRT stopped working. i gamed heavily at the time and loved it. $300 for a great picture; weight be damned, i dont have some silly need to move my monitor after its on the desk, and have plenty of deskspace to use it.

Re:Mostly a good thing (2, Informative)

crabpeople (720852) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889343)

"If you play fast action games then CRTs are still the best"

You probably baught a cheap LCD. My Sceptre X9 19" 12ms LCD [sceptre.com], cost about 100$ more than the cheapest 19" LCD on the market but the quality is supurb. I can play BF2, wow, quake4, etc.. all look beautiful. 180* turns are flawless with no motion blur. In addition, this particular monitor is shiney/reflective, like a crt, so you get a bit of glare from the sun, but the blacks are truely the most well done i have ever seen.

Where I work we have hundreds of LCDs. verying manufacturers. Some people will get really attached to a perticular model or manufacturer. If we switch it out for them, even say from a 15" to a 17" they immediately complain of eye problems and the like. LCD's come in a vast range or specs. Buy a nice samsung one if you cant afford 550 for the spectre. I use a samsung at work. Tried to switch to an NEC, but couldnt do it. similar feeling to look at a 60hz CRT when you used to 75-85.

also, correct me if im wrong, but Hz doesnt really apply to LCD like it does to CRT. I thought that was true but i dont know why.

Re:Mostly a good thing (3, Informative)

petabyte (238821) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889079)

Well yes, me. I just opted for the 30" CRT Television (HDTV widescreen) instead of the 30" LCD. The reason? True black on the CRT and better colors overall. People have mentioned size constraints with televisions and yes, I got a slim fit CRT but it sits on an entertainment center which houses my reciever and DVD player. Since thats a dedicated area for the TV, I don't have a problem with that space being used for the TV and having the best picture I can. When it goes kaboom, I figure LCDs will be the standard and the picture will have improved.

Now, my desk is another story. I have a CRT for my computer there too but when that goes, the LCD cometh ...

Re:Mostly a good thing (2, Funny)

Zathrus (232140) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889201)

Now, my desk is another story. I have a CRT for my computer there too but when that goes, the LCD cometh ...

Man, I keep pseudo-hoping that my Viewsonic 21PS will die. Maybe then I could justify buying an LCD.

Except that I have two spare VS 19" CRTs sitting around. Sigh.

Maybe my toddler will figure out a way to trash them for me...

Re:Mostly a good thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889252)

Nice. This AC was seriously considering going that route as well. Now it looks like I'd better step on it, before cheap CRTs are extinct.

When it goes kaboom, I figure LCDs will be the standard and the picture will have improved.

That's the best part: modern CRTs almost never die. If anything, the electronics supporting them go a long way before the tube goes. I would certainly hope that things will have improved after the minimum 10-15 years your new set is going to last.

Re:Mostly a good thing (2, Informative)

Zathrus (232140) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889303)

That's the best part: modern CRTs almost never die. If anything, the electronics supporting them go a long way before the tube goes.

While technically true, the reality is that even though the CRT may not be dead it may be so dim that you wish it was. And compensating by pushing up the contrast and brightness just causes it to fade even faster.

I can't tell you how many old CRT monitors I've seen that were so dim that they should've been thrown in the trash. Mine's not there yet, but it won't be much longer I think.

Re:Mostly a good thing (1)

mcho (878145) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889359)

I just bought the Sony 30" CRT HDTV Widescreen TV too.

For me it was a no brainer -- among the other reasons already listed in previous posts, the larger size was not a concern because I needed an entertainment center for my DVD player, etc.

It sucks that Sony isn't going to make CRT's anymore.

Re:Mostly a good thing (3, Informative)

Yaa 101 (664725) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889080)

All people in need of real colors still use CRTs...
Those LCDs are ugly, none of them come near to what colors should look like.

Re:Mostly a good thing (3, Informative)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889112)

Actually there are a few that cover the gamma curve of CRTs nicely, and can be calibrated further for color temperature and such. The downside is those LCDs cost around $2K for a 17-19 inch.

Tom's Hardware did a nice piece on them.
-nB

LCDs are overrated. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889123)

For computer monitors CRTs are still superior for a number of reasons.

Some examples:
Much higher contrast between black and white.
better color definition.
gamma/color/brightness doesn't change based on fewing angles.
much faster response/no ghosting.

People who complain about flickering with CRTs are usually just running the monitor at a to high of resolution. There problems are more related to not spending enough on their monitors rather then serious flaws in CRT monitors.

even on very nice LCD monitors I get headaches. This is because I habitually read scrolling text. This works on CRTs, but ghosting and inferior response rates blur everything. I bought a LCD monitor a while ago and I learned this. I bought a CRT to replace it and gave the LCD to a friend.

Of course now bunches of people will jump on me to justify buying a LCD monitor instead spending a 3rd of the price on a CRT monitor with similar capabilities. (You probably spend a lot more on your jeans then me, too. Oh and ipods with harddrives and unreplacable batteries that have failures with batteries and harddrives, rather then going out and buying a flash-based device for a 4th of the cost and 400% of the reliability.)

LCD is a dead-end technology. It's great for places with low amounts of space... like if you want a 50 inch TV in your living room, or 30 inch displays on your desktop, and in laptops, but it's not ever going to go anywere beyond that.

Once we get stuff like OLEDs or whatever replaces LCD, then it will be superior to LCD AND CRTs in terms of price, performance, energy usage, and mass.

Re:Mostly a good thing (1)

digidave (259925) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889336)

Some people enjoy a long-lasting TV with high quality colors, brightness and contrast. Some other people enjoy showing off a TV that will hang on their wall and die in five years.

Anyone know...? (3, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | more than 8 years ago | (#13888980)

Have Japanese largely stopped buying CRT televisions and monitors in favor of flat-screens? Given their space constraints, especially at home, I'd imagine it wouldn't take much for them to give up on tubes entirely.

(Note: I'm looking for replies based on experience with Japanese reality, not on anime. TIA...)

Re:Anyone know...? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889026)

(Note: I'm looking for replies based on experience with Japanese reality, not on anime. TIA...)

Actually, they've quit with TV altogether, and instead battle aliens with huge anthropomorphic robots.

Re:Anyone know...? (3, Informative)

dduck (10970) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889036)

They did so a while back. When I was in Tokyo about 3 years ago, you could hardly find a CRT TV, uch less a CRT monitor. Everything new was flat and thin.

Re:Anyone know...? (1)

Bueller_007 (535588) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889124)

CRT sales are still higher than LCD sales here, but industry (see marketing) "experts" say that LCD sales will overtake them this year. (For what marketing hype is worth.)

As a side note, manufacturers have blamed fluorescent lights for the slow sales of LCD TVs here. The "big box" electronics stores like Yodobashi and Bic all extremely well lit with fluorescent lighting, and manufacturers have requested that their TVs be placed on shelves at floor level (rather than eye level) where it's supposedly a little darker, and the quality of the picture a little better. It seems counterproductive to me, because then customers have to squat to actually see the TV, but hey, what do I know. There are enough 4.5-foot tall grannies here that it might actually work.

Re:Anyone know...? (1)

Kryptolus (238444) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889131)

I would say they have. I stayed in a not-so-big city, and even people there tended to have flat screens.
In the electronics stores, almost every TV and monitor on display was flat.

Re:Anyone know...? (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889276)

(Note: I'm looking for replies based on experience with Japanese reality, not on anime. TIA...)

It's kind of sad that you had to specify that.

Can we cite live-action horror movies, though? There was one of those that had a lot of TVs in it, but they were still using VHS! I mean, come on... Sadako really should have cursed someone's TiVo :-)

Re:Anyone know...? (1)

Jflatnote (926337) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889295)

Having recently lived and worked in Japan for a number of years, I don't know many people there who own TVs big enough to really matter whether they were CRT or LCD. Size just doesn't seem to be as important there as it seems to be in the States (size of our houses, size of our cars, size of our...). Other than in the big electronics stores like Best Denki and Yamada Denki, I don't remember even seeing any LCD TVs. Everyone I know (and I know a lot of people) had CRTs.

I don't know about anyone else (5, Insightful)

Colourspace (563895) | more than 8 years ago | (#13888990)

It looks to me like Sony are beginning to bet the farm on the PS3. The Walkman range is now outsold by Apple branded players, the TV market is awash with other makes of TV.. I could go on in any other markets (maybe brodacst - admit not too sure on that). They also seem to be losing their grip on their legendary quality of years back (though my admittedly late-era PSP is still a thing of beauty IMHO - lets ee how it stands up to time) - My Sony 6 CD player in my less than year old car has already taken to playing no CD's and has a radio that likes to retune at random... I could go on.. Sony are to me, at least, beginning to look more like a games company than anything else - if they don't succeed they may well be dodo, if not severely crippled.

Re:I don't know about anyone else (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889190)

I can go on about broadcast for you.

Sony is losing big time there. Right now someone with less than $10,000.00 can buy a XL2 and a no-name editing platform and produce video content that is equlivant to that shot on a DigiBetacam camera that cost $100K and edited on a DME-9000 or any of their other pro video gear.

when you can build an entire video editing platform for less than the price of one sony deck, sony is going to hurt bad.

Re:I don't know about anyone else (1)

evil agent (918566) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889197)

Sony are to me, at least, beginning to look more like a games company than anything else - if they don't succeed they may well be dodo, if not severely crippled.

I dunno, I just can't see Sony going under. They still have that great name recognition. As long as they keep putting out electronics with "Sony" emblazoned on them, people will buy them. How else can they keep getting away with higher prices than the competition? Customers obviously think that they're getting higher quality as well.

Re:I don't know about anyone else (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889199)

You should take a look at how many electronic entertainment companys are awash in financial problems right now.

The only one that seems to have any real profit and good returns is nintendo.

Can we get a CRT Price Drop? (1)

aka_big_wurm (757512) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889009)

I have been looking at the Sony 30 inch wide screen CRT, can they drop the price on it $100 or so

Not good news? (2, Interesting)

saskboy (600063) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889016)

I don't think this is very good news if you're in the market for a large screen TV in the future and want a CRT. With the supply from Sony dwindling, prices won't be dropping as much as we'd like them to in comparison to LCD. And I wonder how much easier it is to recycle components of an LCD screen device, compared to a CRT's? There will be less lead I'm guessing, but are there any rules about throwing LCD monitors/TVs into the landfill?

blah (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889032)

Bah /. is dead. Long live Digg!!

NO, but I love the CRT...! (1)

GecKo213 (890491) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889048)

I love my old CRT TV! It's picture is so, well, it reminds me of being a kid! I don't want to grow up! This opinions expressed in this post are totally random and have nothing to do whatsoever with the posters true feelings or the feelings or opinions of your local stations. Thank you.

--
I should be working, but I'm posting on /.! Life is good

If the CRT dies (2, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889049)

it can only mean that other display types will become more affordable. Right now, the really nice TVs are way out of reach for Wal-Mart shoppers such as myself. I look forward to the changes coming soon.

Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced (5, Informative)

h4ck7h3p14n37 (926070) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889053)

It's too bad that Sony is phasing out it's CRT production. Granted, flat-screens have much better resolution, a smaller footprint and are lighther, but they're still extremely expensive. A 32" Sony Trinitron is going for around $400, while a 32" Sony LCD Wega flat panel is more than $2,000 (the cheapest 32" LCD flat screen I could find goes for $1,300). I just don't understand why anyone would buy one flat screen when they could get four or five CRTs for the same price.

Re:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced (1)

aetherspoon (72997) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889122)

Easy. LCDs take up less space and (well, not the really crappy low end ones or some crappy midranged ones) look better.
Anyone who has to move around a whole bunch can appreciate the whole size (and weight) thing. I've had to move around the TV in my livingroom (furnished, so it isn't mine) quite often. It scratches up the center and weighs a ton. I'd much prefer a smaller LCD to such a large TV.

Besides, why does anyone need such a large TV?

Re:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced (1)

CrazyTalk (662055) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889221)

I put my 27" CRT TV on the shelf above my fireplace when I moved in to my house two years ago, and haven't moved it since. I will probably never move it until it breaks. For me (and I suspect a lot of other people), size doesn't matter, except for screen size.

Re:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889140)

Is the price of the 32" that you quoted even HD capable? Based on the price, I doubt it. I think 32" is a little too large to be 480i. Also, the size rating on an LCD isn't exaggerated by 10% like they are on CRTs (rated diagonal is not viewable diagonal on CRT).

For as long as there is a market for CRT worth exploiting, I'd say just look to other brands. In the next few years, I expect that the price pressure be too great as LCDs get cheaper such that it's not worth making them anymore for anything other than special uses.

Heck, forget Sony altogether, just look to other brands. I have no problem buying Sony but only for special cases.

Re:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced (4, Informative)

b1t r0t (216468) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889238)

Except that you're comparing apples and oranges. A 32" Wega CRT is about $600-$700, but the HD-ready Wega is about $1000, and was around $1500 two years ago. Oh, and a minor point is that their LCD line seems to be called Bravia, not Wega.

Mmmm... and that LCD has a PC input, too. I know for a fact that their CRT Wega line isn't designed for PC scan rates on the DVI input. You can get 640x480 to work, but there's overscan, and even if you get your video card to generate ATSC scan rates, anything higher than 480p forces the 4:3 CRT into widescreen mode.

Re:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced (1)

tgd (2822) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889269)

If you're talking USD, then you're not looking very hard. Its easy to find 32" sets WELL below $1000, and its fairly common to find 37" LCD sets for $1000.

And if you don't understand why $999 for a 37" LCD makes sense either you have never lived in a small house and had to move a 35" CRT TV, or you just wanted to post on Slashdot with a contrary view in hopes of getting moderated up.

Re:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced (1)

moviepig.com (745183) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889327)

Granted, [LCDs] have much better resolution, a smaller footprint and are lighter, but they're still extremely expensive.

Still, their price-point has now crept from beyond the horizon and into distant view. So, e.g., anyone who's recently enlisted able bodies to help move a CRT behemoth across the living room has a gut-reaction against buying another... even postponing a purchase, if possible.

Re:Too Bad; LCDs are Overpriced (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889335)

Not all flat screens have better resolution. My Sony 34xbr910 16x9 CRT, which can be had for around 1000.00 today, is true 1080i. Most flat screens don't even have this high a resoulution at twice the price, and it is only now being out done by the new 1080p DLPs on the market. If you need more than 34 inches you'll have to go to another technology, but the picture quality is still ranked as the standard in HD. It comes in at over 200 pounds though ;)

Hard choice (5, Informative)

boa13 (548222) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889066)

It must have been a hard choice for mtndue1, torn between hyping up his scoop so that he would have a chance to be published on Slashdot and not telling outright lies. So he took both approaches:

Sony is halting the production of CRT's for televisions at many of its plants

Sony will shut down some of its CRT television assembly factories by March 2008 (emphasis mine)

No, I didn't read the fine article, but I did laugh out loud.

Different Viewpoints (1)

goodEvans (112958) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889068)

I think I'm right in saying that most people here would thank Sony for allowing them to buy the Playstation 3. A large percentage of us are looking forward to spending our money on it when it is finally launched.

However, it's interesting to see the Forbes' take on the release: In a bid to revive its game division, Sony plans to release its next-generation stand-alone PlayStation 3 game console in the spring.

Funny how a slightly different viewpoint casts a whole new light on a subject...

Yen (1)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889073)

38,500,000,000.00 JPY = 334,047,807.86 USD
32,300,000,000.00 JPY = 280,239,409.58 USD
410,000,000,000.00 JPY = 3,556,690,039.42 USD
356,800,000,000.00 JPY = 3,095,187,819.67 USD


Thanks xe.com [xe.com]

too many numbers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889193)

better yet:
38.5 Billion JPY = 334.0 Million USD
32.3 Billion JPY = 280.2 Million USD
410.0 Billion JPY = 3.56 Billion USD
356.8 Billion JPY = 3.10 Billion USD

Re:too many numbers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889296)

or, if you're British : 38.5 Thousand Million JPY = 334.0 Million USD 32.3 Thousand Million JPY = 280.2 Million USD 410.0 Thousand Million JPY = 3.56 Thousand Million USD 356.8 Thousand Million JPY = 3.10 Thousand Million USD

Re:Yen (2, Informative)

digidave (259925) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889247)

You know you can just use Google for that, right?

Google "38,500,000,000.00 JPY in USD" (no quotes) and you'll get "333.42001 million U.S. dollars" as the answer. I'm not sure why the number is different.

I think this is a pity, actually (2, Interesting)

FluffyWithTeeth (890188) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889088)

Sony have always made some damned fine CRTs. Their Trinitron range has always been pretty much the cream of the crop.

Of course, myself, I got a second hand 21" Sony Trinitron VGA monitor for about $80, so I'm fine :)

Mmmm, obscenely high resolution...

Re:I think this is a pity, actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889148)

Doesn't that make it a Trinitron monitor? AFAIK Sony is just reselling Trinitron (the real OEM here) monitors. ... mmm obscenely high resolution indeed :)

-- owner of a used, 21" Dell Trinitron

Re:I think this is a pity, actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889256)

No, Trinitron is a Sony brand name. If it says Trinitron, it is a rebranded Sony monitor.

Re:I think this is a pity, actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889347)

Thanks for the clarification :)

- Owner of a used 21" Sony Trinitron, rebranded by Dell :)

Re:I think this is a pity, actually (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889206)

Yeah, I'm reminded how fine their monitor tubes are every day I look at the two support wire shadows on my screen. yes it's less than 1 pixel tall and hard to see unless you are looking at a white screen but the defect is there and on EVERY trinitron monitor.

sony trinitrons have ALWAYS suffered from these in their 19 inch and larger tubes. and made us move away from them as they had no plans to fix it.

"Revive its games division"? (2, Interesting)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889099)

The implication there is that it needs reviving. As far as I'm aware it's the healthiest part of the company by a long shot. Sony really are banking on SCE: when the PS2 began to approach saturation point (pre-slimline PS2) and sales dipped, Sonys profits dropped by some obscene percentage.

Investments? (1)

dzafez (897002) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889102)

How much of the money will really go into development? How much into Marketing and overpaid Managers??

Profit is immoral (-1, Troll)

Trolling4Columbine (679367) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889104)

Boo hoo! So their PROFITS are down. That only means they're not stealing as much from the poor. I call that a move in the right direction! Let's face it folks! Companies only profit by exploiting the poor. The very existence of poverty is all the proof you need! What do they need all of that money for? They have a civic duty to share their ill-gotten fortunes with the society they exploit to create their riches. Companies should be forced to operate at a break-even limit. Any excess profit proves that they are charging too much for their product, and exploiting the poor. Such immoral profiteering should be illegal! There are so many people that need that money more than those greedy, racist executive robber-barons! The slavery must end, people! If we don't stick up for the poor now, who will fight for us when it's OUR turn to be robbed?

Re:Profit is immoral (2, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889128)

Yes, poor people are in trouble because they keep buying overpriced luxury goods. That's the real root of the problem.

Re:Profit is immoral (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889174)

Maybe if they weren't constantly being plundered by corporations, they would be able afford the things they need.

Stop blaming the victim!

Re:Profit is immoral (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889325)

Why are you even here? Shouldn't you be off discussing this somewhere relevant instead of lowering the tone of a sci-tech discussion site?

Re:Profit is immoral (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889170)

so why havent you given all your money to the poor?

Re:Profit is immoral (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889202)

I'm not rich! The rich corporations are the ones trampling on the poor, not me. They're the ones that owe society for their immoral (if I had my way, illegal) actions.

Re:Profit is immoral (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889209)

Any excess profit proves that they are charging too much for their product, and exploiting the poor. Such immoral profiteering should be illegal!

Keep in mind that Sony does not sell food, clothing or any other necessities of life. They sell stereos, televisions and PlayStations. If you consider pricing their products to high is "immoral profiteering", then are you trying to argue that the poor somehow have a god given right to have access to stereos, televisions and PlayStations?

I like my PlayStation as much as anybody, but I would not consider myself exploited if somehow I could not play GTA.

People like you really do a disservice to the poor by clouding the real problems that the poor face, but what can I expect from someone named "Trolling4Columbine"?

Re:Profit is immoral (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889253)

"then are you trying to argue that the poor somehow have a god given right to have access to stereos, televisions and PlayStations?"

The rich have that right, along with many others privileges that are denied our less fortunate citizens. All I'm asking for is equality!

Re:Profit is immoral (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889322)

I'm presuming that you own your computer. Assuming that is the case, you are richer than the bulk of the worlds population.

If you were really for equality, then you would sell your computer and give that money to the poor people in the third world.

Re:Profit is immoral (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889355)

Just a guess...

but your flunked econ 101 right?

Cuts possible at SCE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13889157)

With the failure of the PSP, Sony is already cutting features left and right to curb its losses drastically for the PS3. Maybe we'll see a $300 release price after all.

WOuldn't it be funny (3, Interesting)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889323)

WOuldn't it be funny if one day, only the expensive TVs will come with CRTs, what with the better colors and saturation...

Sad (4, Insightful)

courtarro (786894) | more than 8 years ago | (#13889324)

This is a big loss. A few years ago my Sony display bit the dust after only 1.5 years of use. I was ready to move away from Sony because of that quick failure, so I looked at all sorts of alternatives. I couldn't afford an LCD that could match a CRT for color, so a CRT it was. I came close to buying a ViewSonic display for just over $100, but when I checked it out at the store it was amazing how poor the video clarity was compared to the Sony I had. I finally checked some reviews and went with a 19" Sony CRT from Newegg, and it's been great since. I've seen monitors from all over, and Sony CRT displays are clearly above all other consumer CRTs. Dell displays that use Sony tubes are equally excellent.

It's hard for me to say that CRTs are still superior to LCDs because I haven't actively researched the best LCDs, but of the many LCD displays that friends and labs use, I can't imagine what I'll do when my current CRT comes up for replacement. There's simply no comparison. The LCD blacks are fake on many of the Dells (they seem to cheat to get a good contrast ratio - perfect black is dark, but the dark grey levels are much lighter). There's also the abrasiveness of the tri-color split of LCD pixels.

I guess I'm an old-fashioned dinosaur, and maybe the CRT v. LCD battle is comparable to the tube v. solid state amplifier battle, but this day marks the end of the era of beautiful CRT displays. I'll mourn.

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