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The RIAA's Halloween Tricks

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the surprise dept.

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deus42 writes "BoingBoing has an interesting article about a joint RIAA/MPAA move started yesterday on Capitol Hill. From the article: 'Hollywood has fielded a shockingly ambitious piece of Analog Hole legislation while everyone was out partying in costume. Under a new proposed Analog Hole bill, it will be illegal to make anything capable of digitizing video unless it either has all its outputs approved by the Hollywood studios, or is closed-source, proprietary and tamper-resistant. The idea is to make it impossible to create an MPEG from a video signal unless Hollywood approves it.'"

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Digitize this (5, Funny)

concreationist (760560) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926743)

I can think of a hole I'd like them to approve...

Re:Digitize this (5, Funny)

Pichu0102 (916292) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926788)

So now someone can broadcast Goatse and not be prosecuted because it would be illegal to record it?

I don't know which is more ridiculous... (5, Insightful)

Ikn (712788) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926745)

The simple audacity of their intentions, or the idea that they think they will actually get away with it, or that it will even be plausible.

Re:I don't know which is more ridiculous... (5, Funny)

rovingeyes (575063) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926770)

You sir, must be new to America!

Re:I don't know which is more ridiculous... (4, Funny)

Ikn (712788) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926819)

I'm not new to it, I just haven't -completely- given up on it yet.

Re:I don't know which is more ridiculous... (2, Insightful)

gregbains (890793) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926889)

Ahh, I remember my optimistic days, one day common sense would come through, people wouldn't be uptight, cut off, out of touch and politicians would tell the truth.

Re:I don't know which is more ridiculous... (5, Insightful)

Pichu0102 (916292) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926934)

You haven't given up on America yet? You're REALLY new here then.

Re:I don't know which is more ridiculous... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926823)

...or the fact that they actually introduced an "A Hole" bill. Nice that they are at least being up front about it for a change.

Re:I don't know which is more ridiculous... (5, Interesting)

xmas2003 (739875) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926827)

I agree with parent - what a load of crap from the RIAA. Video is becoming more and more mainstream, with the average consumer having access via traditional video camera's, webcams, and even phone's. And if I buy the recording device and shoot the video footage, don't I "own" it anyway. Heck, does this mean that I can't do my halloween webcam [komar.org] next year unless I have "permission" from the RIAA?

Re:I don't know which is more ridiculous... (2, Insightful)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926852)

I didn't know ridiculous was a synonym to scary.

Re:I don't know which is more ridiculous... (1, Insightful)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926873)

"The simple audacity of ther intentions, or the ideal that they will actually get away with it, or that it will even be plausible."

Never understimate the technical ignorance or culpability of your average congressman...nor his greed for media association $$'s for his next re-election bid.

:-(

all i have to say is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926753)

this is retarded.

And no matter what they do... (2, Insightful)

Quaoar (614366) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926757)

...people will find a way around it. They will NEVER make any media copy-proof. It has been cracked again and again and again. I am not worried.

Re:And no matter what they do... (1)

HoosierPeschke (887362) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926825)

They gave up on copy proof, they want to make all of it illegal... which brings another point... why the hell would Hollywood care about my home videos I would like to put on DVD???

Re:And no matter what they do... (1)

BJZQ8 (644168) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926990)

You should leave the movie making to the "professionals" they'd say...You might hurt yourself with that movie camera. If nothing else, you'll be doing something other than contributing to their bottom lines, so...step away from the camera, and put your eyes on the TV set.

Re:And no matter what they do... (3, Insightful)

radarsat1 (786772) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926847)

This isn't about technical methods. This is about legislation.

Re:And no matter what they do... (5, Insightful)

Ryan Amos (16972) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926907)

And approximately 0% of these cards/devices are produced in the US. The Chinese will still make them, and we will still be able to buy them in Canada. Not to mention this does 0 to stop movie piracy either; the professional pirates will still be around, operating in China like they have been for the past 20 years.

Re:And no matter what they do... (1)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926849)

You should be worried. It is not an issue of people cracking it, it is an issue that it would be illegal meaning someone will go to jail or pay heavy fines. That is the problem...especially since it is not cool if this happens - which it will since they have big bucks to burn on congress.

I just went out with this girl who, and I told her, is the poster child for the MPAA/RIAA. She believes that EVEN if you own the movie (as in bought it at a store, legit and all) you should have to buy it again if you want to say make a backup copy (i.e. you want to backup your movie so you can put the original in a safe area). I couldn't stop laughing at her and kept making fun of her...and will continue to make fun of her.

Re:And no matter what they do... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926884)

I just went out with this girl

Now I know you're lying. This is slashdot.

Re:And no matter what they do... (4, Funny)

Evangelion (2145) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926902)


But the date didn't end with sex.

It ended in him mocking her because of her beliefs on copyright law.

Certainly very slashdot.

Re:And no matter what they do... (0, Offtopic)

misleb (129952) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926918)

.and will continue to make fun of her.

And she has agreed to see you again? Man, you much be hung like a horse.

-matthew

Re:And no matter what they do... (0, Offtopic)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926921)

"...I couldn't stop laughing at her and kept making fun of her...and will continue to make fun of her."

Hmm....I'm guessing you did not get laid by her though?

:-)

While I agree with your thoughts on this...dude, you gotta remember you say what they want to hear to get laid!! You don't have to mean it.....

Re:And no matter what they do... (0, Troll)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926970)

Hmm....I'm guessing you did not get laid by her though? :-) While I agree with your thoughts on this...dude, you gotta remember you say what they want to hear to get laid!! You don't have to mean it.....

I got better then laid, I got head :)

Re:And no matter what they do... (2, Insightful)

Z-Knight (862716) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926871)

Comments such as these "I'm not worried" are what worry me the most. If everyone keeps thinking it is not their problem and that this will never happen, then the RIAA/MPAA has already won because they will have no resistance in passing these idiotic, right-restricting measures/bills. They will sneak it past our upturned noses and they will be laughing all the way to the bank.

We have to fight them, we can't simply assume someone else will fight for us.

Re:And no matter what they do... (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926872)

"...people will find a way around it. They will NEVER make any media copy-proof. It has been cracked again and again and again. I am not worried."

Sure, the technologically savvy will have access... the *AA are fine with a few people having access. It's mainstream access that they want to prevent. (Joe Sixpack must not be allowed to easily destroy their revenue stream.)

That's what this is really about -- no off-the-shelf way for people to bypass the profit stream.

Re: Cracking is Illegal (2, Insightful)

mpapet (761907) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926900)

It has been cracked again and again and again

The media companies will (if they haven't already) make cracking a punishable offense. As it is they drag people through court that crack their schemes just to make an example of them regardless of what the local laws may/may not give them.

Better still, the corporations get to characterize them as the least desirable citizens in the court. It's just like the medical marijuana reformers vs the "war on drugs" institutions.

Blowing it off because it can be cracked just isn't the answer.

Re:And no matter what they do... (2, Interesting)

try_anything (880404) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926912)

You should be worried. If the MPAA/RIAA can convince consumers that it's in their best material interest to accept every legal restriction producers ask for, it will be a new economic religion that will spill over into political thinking, summed up as, "We're happy because the elites are working hard for our benefit: let no one interfere with them!"

Assertive and inquisitive consumers are crucial to the economy, and assertive and inquisitive citizens are crucial to democratic society. This must be stopped.

Re:And no matter what they do... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926939)

And then they will throw your ass in jail.

Don't you think it would be better for it to never become law in the first place?

Re:And no matter what they do... (1)

krgallagher (743575) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926952)

"They will NEVER make any media copy-proof. It has been cracked again and again and again. "

Sure, but when you outlaw recording media then only outlaws will record media.

True dat (1)

adavies42 (746183) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926977)

See my sig.

Wow, whatsoever shall we do? (3, Insightful)

Umuri (897961) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926759)

Oh no, the big bad RIAA is being silly again, howsoever shall we watch our tv now? *plugs into a converter, pipes it through co-ax to his computer* Wow that was hard. They need to learn the wonderful world of old technology will never allow for this to happen. Sure it may not be digital, but there will alwyas be a way to convert to a lesser standard, because the entire USA won't upgrade their TVs in an instant.

Re:Wow, whatsoever shall we do? (2, Insightful)

robertjw (728654) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926856)

They need to learn the wonderful world of old technology will never allow for this to happen.

It's not just old technology. You think if they pass something like this there won't be tech all over the net that will convert/bypass/ignore the new laws. It will be a boon for Ebay and retailers outside the US. The government can't stop drug sales (illegal, perscription, performance enhancing) on the Internet, how are they going to stop illegal video cards. All rules like this do is create a black market and more criminals.

Re:Wow, whatsoever shall we do? (2, Insightful)

sdpuppy (898535) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926959)

...or schematics on "how to remove the RIAA jumper".

Will the non-U.S. market want this restriction as standard?

Hooray (1)

flamearrows (821733) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926760)

Just as well you've got all those constitutional freedoms, eh guys? The sadder thing is that in the current climate, Australia will be the next to go.

Re:Hooray (1)

scrote-ma-hote (547370) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926965)

Hmm, I can't say I'd miss Australia that much. No one to beat in the league, hockey or netball though I guess.

Remember (2, Funny)

jpx7777 (887044) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926763)

If you outlaw mpegs, only outlaws will have mpegs.

And this means... (5, Insightful)

rdoger6424 (879843) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926765)

The people who are doing this illegally still don't care, but the *aa has managed to alienate yet more people.

Re:And this means... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926866)

Those damn alcoholics...

I, for one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926766)

welcome our new Hollywood overlords.

A modest proposal (5, Insightful)

Guysmiley777 (880063) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926768)

Make lobbying illegal, punishable by hanging in front of the Capitol Building. Problem solved.

Re:A modest proposal (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926893)

Make lobbying illegal, punishable by hanging in front of the Capitol Building. Problem solved.

lobby [reference.com] : A group of persons engaged in trying to influence legislators or other public officials in favor of a specific cause: the banking lobby; the labor lobby.

In other words, any group of people trying to get the law changed can be called a lobby. Including the people who are in favor of some kind of reasonable copyright reform.

Or in other other words: Most of slashdot would have to be strung up.

Re:A modest proposal (1)

Guysmiley777 (880063) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926971)

Or in other other words: Most of slashdot would have to be strung up.

Brave sacrifices, noble losses and all that... All's well that ends well, that's my motto.

And thus... (5, Insightful)

nightsweat (604367) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926774)

And thus did the American cultural hegemony over the rest of the world collapse, leading to a world where India and China exported their values through their music and films while the Hollywood studios argued about whether consumers should be allowed to keep a taped episode of Will and Grace for 24 hours or only 12...

Re:And thus... (1)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926914)

China maybe, India no way.

I am an indian, and fully aware of the quality (or rather the lack of) of our movies (well bollywood at least). and please don't mention one or two exceptions, 2 good movies in 800 per year is not something to be proud of.

Re:And thus... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926979)

Kind of like in Cory Doctorow's (who happens to be a member of the EFF) "I Robot" [infinitematrix.net] (no relation to the original).
 
I get the feeling that once China and maybe India start cranking out computers at a higher rate we won't have to worry about this crap anymore.
 
Of course, we'll have to smuggle them into the country somehow.

Re:And thus... (1)

utexaspunk (527541) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926982)

Or do you mean the Corporate American cultural hegemony? With crap like this going on, people are bound to eventually quit consuming the RIAA/MPAA's product and low-budget, independent alternatives are bound to arise. They may not have million dollar special effects, but hey, anything's better than Will and Grace.

Dear RIAA/MPAA: (-1, Troll)

RatBastard (949) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926775)

Dear RIAA/MPAA: Kiss my hairy, pasty white ass.

Re:Dear RIAA/MPAA: (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926850)

Was that ass hairy before or after the paste?

On second thought, I don't think I want to know.. (On third thought I'm pretty sure I don't want to know)

Some perspectives on...perspectives (5, Insightful)

pythonguyy (880807) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926777)

This whole piracy thing is so silly. It's wierder than "terrorist". Both terms depend on who they are working for. If they're working for the "competition"(so to speak), they're pirates and terrorists. If they're on "our" side, they're distributors and freedom fighters. Do you know who will be the first to go out of business when P2P really takes off? The pirates. The guys out there selling millions of bootlegs. Most pirates usually sell the top 40, RIAA stuff, so they also "controlled" who was distributed, but they are the most expendable. Hell, they're off the books, so who's gonna care? Most people understand that P2P will increase record sales and concert attendance manyfold. This isn't just about money. Control plays a bigger role here. Just like both sides use terrorists in a war, both sides use pirates to distribute their wares. It seems to be mutually parasitic. What I'm trying to say here is that piracy is a diversion, a smokescreen used by those who want to control distribution of information(text, audio, video). It's little different from those who use terrorism to create unjust laws.

(kind of offtopic)
I sure wish the ptroleum industry was as concerned about the leaks in their distribution system as the content industry is about theirs. (11230681)

Re:Some perspectives on...perspectives (4, Insightful)

Mark_Uplanguage (444809) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926955)

I agree with the smokescreen argument.

I'd also like to comment that while the ACLU/EFF do a great defending our rights against moves such as this, it seems odd that the congress we elect to preserve our rights is the same congress taking money from big business to remove our rights. Does the constitution need a group of lobbyists to protect itself? With all of the supreme court moving lately I've heard a few times how some members of congress get upset when the supreme court comes in to say they've oversetpped their bounds. Waiting for the checks and balances in the system to work themselves out really seems like a pain, but it's our country and if you're going to complain make sure you stand up and fight this type of lunacy.

Find your cause and do more than comment on slashdot.

Brilliant! (1)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926778)

Brilliant, now my in-laws won't be asking for home videos of the kids emailed anymore!

..prise my analog hole from my cold, dead hands (4, Funny)

maharg (182366) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926782)

ewwww. I can't believe I typed that.

Re:..prise my analog hole from my cold, dead hands (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926859)

ewwww. I can't believe you misspelled "pries"

Re:[pries] my analog hole from my cold, dead hands (1)

GuyverDH (232921) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926911)

What? The statement about hole from cold, dead hands?
Or the statement that your hole is a prize?

pries my analog hole from my cold, dead hands if I read your intent correctly...

Excellent move (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926790)

Kills two birds with one stone. Copyright infringement becomes slightly harder, but more importantly, independent production of content comes to a stillstand. With no consumer hardware capable of filming and making arbitrary reproductions of the material, how will anyone make a movie? Yep, gotta have the pro hardware. $$$

Re:Excellent move (1)

synergy3000 (637810) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926835)

Maybe you didn't RTFA. Either approved by AA jerks or closed source. This is a double dig at open source.

Re:Excellent move (1)

baudilus (665036) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926945)

You're forgetting about existing "open source" hardware and software - if you already have the capability, how is this going to stop you?

Scary (1)

Toloran (858954) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926793)

Now who still believes the boogy man doesn't come out at halloween?

Welcome! (0, Redundant)

Kookus (653170) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926794)

I for one welcome our new information overlords!

Wait a sec, the A'Hole bill? (3, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926798)

Sweet, sweet irony.

Re:Wait a sec, the A'Hole bill? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926949)

Brilliant. Let's see if we can get the name to stick...

Greeeat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926806)

Wow, I wonder sometimes what kind of drugs the MPAA/RIAA,etc.. are one to come up with these rediculus plans. Are they James Bond villians ?
Seriously WTF ?

Hollywood money grubbing exec's, please do us all a favor. Either get out of the business you are in or walk in front of a bus.
Mother of God what are you thinking! ?

Please Clue Stick Me (2, Insightful)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926809)

This, indeed, does suck but the keywords are "to make it impossible to create an MPEG from an (analog) video signal" so it is my understanding that applications like handbrake [m0k.org] won't be affected by this law. In fact, neither will stuff technology such as TIVO plugged into digital cable be affected because none of this is analogue video.

What I don't get why anyone would care about making a law concerning analog video since it is slowly being phased out anyway?

Informonopoly (5, Insightful)

inKubus (199753) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926904)

Perhaps they are referring to old films and stuff that people have just started archiving with the advent of affordable telecine, etc. Or it could be that they are about to offically close the hole in digital using some ingenious new system and they want to remove the analog option completely first.

Soon, you won't be able to buy a new DVD or CD player, reciever, etc. that has analog inputs and outputs, since they won't be "certified". Another reason is that they (the big studios and publishing companies) really want to move over into video on demand style stuff as an industry and cut out the retailers and wholesalers and distributers who have acted as middlemen.

The ultimate goal, of course, is to control all information, entertainment or otherwise, for monetary and political gain.

Re:Please Clue Stick Me (1)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926948)

clue stick: how do you think the tivo get's it's signal from the digital cable box? it's via analog (coax/svideo/composite)... If there was no "analog loophole" you'd only be able to use the cable company's DVR with your digital cable service.

e.

Re:Please Clue Stick Me (4, Informative)

DevNova (24921) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926983)

The reason being that eventually, most if not all digital methods of transmittal will be controlled by DRM, and thus, the industry already has control of that. After that, it will still be possible to make copies via analog methods, and they want to make sure those copies don't wind up in some other digital, albeit slightly quality-degraded form.

What will historians think..... (5, Insightful)

10101001011 (744876) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926814)

I honestly wonder what historians will think of this time period, say, one hundred years from now. Think of how we view the Western European Dark Ages, where education slowed to a halt, an organization managed to secure society and manipulate it at will, while those in the East jumped leaps and bounds ahead of them. Gosh, sounds vaguely familiar....

Sure (1)

Progman3K (515744) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926817)

I'm sure that'll go over well in China.

Hollywood sucks (0)

Vengeful weenie (627760) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926818)

Hollywood movies suck at this point & so does the majority of music coming out of the standard houses. My suggestion -- don't buy either. It looks like the next version of DVD (HD or Blu-ray) are both going the same way, so screw em. While your at it, vote out the SOBs in Congress too. (Whew, time for some anger management here.)

Re:Hollywood sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926910)

Yes, but by not buying them, you just make the problem worse, because as we've all been told, sales of CD's and DVD's only go down because of piracy, not because they suck. If you quit buying them and sales drop, that's more ammunition to screw you even harder. Enjoy!

As Mr. Cheney would say (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926824)

"Go fuck yourself, Hollywood."

Jesus H. Christ, what is with all these goddamn fascists ruining country? It starts with the homeowners association all the way up through the powerful business cartels then over to the executive and legislative branches of government.

To save time... (2, Funny)

captnkurt (161330) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926831)

let's just call it The A-Hole Bill, shall we?

So is this... (1)

B11 (894359) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926841)

A trick or treat?

Re:So is this... (1)

Red Alastor (742410) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926937)

It's trick and threat.

YARFTLTPTCOSLL (1)

umbrellasd (876984) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926854)

Yet another reason for the "Law to Prevent the Creation of Stupid Laws" law. Can we please divert the RIAA's lobbying budget to something like providing shelter for disaster victims or something? Or maybe they could spend that money giving away free iPods. The resulting royalties, though small would probably give a better ROI than campaigning for the destruction of civil liberties.

Probably.

Not Sure if I understand (1)

aitikin (909209) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926855)

So it's basically saying that they're trying to make it completely illegal to make and or use things such as MythTV and tuner cards and even the DVD Recorders currently on the market today? And anyone who owns one already is SOL?

Ex Post Facto (3, Informative)

mosb1000 (710161) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926888)

You can't retroactively make something illegal.

Re:Ex Post Facto (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926988)

All you have to do is make it illegal to purchase or use the equipment.

"You already own it? Well, okay, we can't charge you for that, but you can't use it or sell it. And if you have it available and the RIAA thinks you have used it, we can get a search warrant and take it away. Have a nice day."

This makes sense. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926857)

Unless property owners can exploit their capital, there is no incentive to innovate. Companies like Apple and Microsoft and Sony just can't stay in business if all their work is stolen. If the property owner wants restrictions on their property, then the consumer must obey if they want to enjoy using the owner's property. If you rent a house, you can't do what you want with it. If the owner of a piece of music or his agent only wants you to listen on a DRMed machine like iPod or Windows, then too bad, you can always make up your own music on a kazoo and play on XMMS on your Linux box. You have a choice.

Point and Shoot (1)

Fls'Zen (812215) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926858)

I still would like to see how they can stop me from shooting a HD camcorder at a 30" LCD to make copies.

Re:Point and Shoot (1)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926944)

With some watermark that the camcorder pics up, which instantly makes it behave like a little 2 yer old kiddy that wont do what he's told.

If technology is outlawed... (5, Funny)

Zordak (123132) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926863)

Remember! If technology is outlawed, only outlaws will have technology.

And that would make all of the geeks rogue outlaw bad-boy types, which would make them suddenly very appealing to women, so maybe this isn't such a bad idea after all.

Any Digitization (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926876)

Does this mean that if I view a video with my eyeballs and write down a number based on what I see I'm subject to a lawsuit as an unapproved and unlicensed device?

What??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926877)

Who forgot to give them their candy??? If there is one entity you don't want tricks from it's these guys. I think we should all promote grass roots entertainment, and show these idiots how irrelevant they've become.

They want to plug WHAT hole? (1)

Cro Magnon (467622) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926895)

That sounds nasty!

video over ip (1)

jsmucker (812692) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926903)

Just wait, when all the video is on demand over ip. Think of all the laws they will try to push, or already going to, it's only a matter of time till these dinosaurs die, we just need to speed it up a little.

Broadcast Flag On Steroids, But So What? (4, Interesting)

jeblucas (560748) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926905)

The article annoyingly refers to this as "Broadcast Flag On Steroids", but who cares? That concept was tossed out--on it's unanimous ass, mind you--by the DC Court of Appeals. An opinion filed by our current Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. This thing is as least as obtrusive as the Broadcast Flag, which the Court says was unenforceable because the FCC doesn't have the power to tell manufacturers how to build things. How could this bill be treated any differently?

Here's a link to the EFF's Broadcast Flag work [eff.org] .

Here's a PDF link to [then] Circuit Judge Edwards' decision [uscourts.gov] in ALA v. FCC.

"Analog signals" covers more than RIAA territory. (4, Insightful)

radarsat1 (786772) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926915)

Are they trying to make life insanely difficult for student and amateur video makers?

What I don't get is that there is TONS of "analog signal" that is not RIAA-owned, so how can they legislate on it?

Or perhaps they won't, but apparently they'll make it very difficult to use the required equipment. Make life difficult for students, and you're cutting off your source of income 20 years down the road..

Not possible (1)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926929)

Even if they were willing to ignore the millions of video capture products already in the field, there ain't no way they can outlaw making more.

They could outlaw boxed solutions in stores, but just how do you outlaw a high speed analog to digital converter chip? If you can't do that you can't stop open source solutions. Ok, we don't have all in one tuner/encoder boards, but stick a high speed ADC on a PCI card and run a VCR's video out plug into it. IR output on a serial port to control the tuner and some software based DSP code to crunch video frames out of the datastream. By the time the existing supply of tuner cards and PVR cards dried up a lowball CPU should be more than enough to do the DSP work. Or hell, stick a generic programmable array logic chip out on the PCI board with that ADC and you can relieve the load from the CPU. Stick a tuner module off of a cable modem in there and you have a Video capture board. Think they can stop em from coming in, even as kits? After all, pick the components right and you could have a kit version. They probably can't outlaw the etched PCB. Just pick parts that don't require surface mount soldering skills and you get a nice garage business model.

Re:Not possible (1)

Skowronek (795408) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926974)

Designing and fabbing a board like this would take me probably like a few days from home junk (really). But the problem is not technical - the board would be illegal.

Surface mounting is not that bad, by the way. BGAs are the only thing that is a problem :)

Isnt everything already digitized (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926933)

Did they forget the fact that dvd's are infact already digitized. Or how about the fact that cable these days is digital. Not only that, last i checked werent they trying to make everything digital? Personally i think it would be better for them to just make a law saying its illegal to transmit information.

To me, this law seems like their poor attempt at stopping independent film makers(analog being cheaper to make than digital film), and to kill open source software.

sometimes (1)

MORTAR_COMBAT! (589963) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926936)

if this passes as described, our government will have gone from simply being "out of line" to being "batshit crazy over the line" and will deserve to be destroyed, burnt down, etc, etc.

"for the corporations, by the corporations" my shiny metal ass.

Think big name consumer electronics makers... (1)

Mr. Cancelled (572486) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926946)

The idea is to make it impossible to create an MPEG from a video signal unless Hollywood approves it.'"

I'm sure that the Sony's of the world would have a problem with this if the bill truly intends on removing the ability for budding amateur video camera owners to port their videos to mpeg, in preperation for burning to a DVD (In a hurry... Don't have time to RTFA)

At least they should have a problem with this... That'd be a helluva lot of lost video camera (and related equipment)sales, and pissed off customers to deal with!

They never got over Sony v. Betamax (4, Interesting)

Windcatcher (566458) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926947)

Everything will eventually go digital, and once no one is manufacturing analog equipment (VCRs) anymore, there won't be any more VCR's (or anything that does the same thing). Say goodbye to your capture card, too, or be prepared to PAY everytime you want to record something on your ATI All-In-Wonder.

From my standpoint, they couldn't possibly poison the well any further. The day I give them any cash so they can use it to buy my representatives is the day Satan's snowplow crews start making money.

MPEG? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926950)

The idea is to make it impossible to create an MPEG from a video signal unless Hollywood approves it.

Thank God for AVI!

Well... (1)

Ghotli (670032) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926960)

If this gets passed, i think i want to find a way to revoke my citizenship.

All Jokes aside, how can we let these corporations, who are only bent on saving themselves, influence the rights of every human being in this country. Corporations have incredible influence over the civil liberties of individuals. The worst part is, i can't even come up with a solution to the problems we've gotten ourselves into.

Some might say in retort, call your senator! write your senator! have a voice!

I've done that, and all I have ever gotten in response was a stock letter that answered none of my questions. Short of running for office, or quitting my job to become a lobbist. How can I make my voice matter at all? I feel completely left out of my government. Does anyone out there feel the same way?

YOU CAN PRY MY.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13926963)

What..

you gonna come to my house and take my PVR-250's?

you gonna break the firewire jack on my PC and cable box?

no one uses MPEG anymore anyway..

WE USE XVID, OGG and other formats.. so shove that up your analog hole.. sideways.

Long live mythTV and opensource!

Boycott whitelist? (1)

thekel (909848) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926968)

Is there a guide to Movie studios and media producers that are not members of MPAA/RIAA? I think it's time to start voting with my dollar, but I am not sure if there are any movies or music I can still buy without shooting myself in the foot.

did anyone else (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 8 years ago | (#13926975)

Did anyone feel their jaw hit the floor half way through this and stay there permantly?
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