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MS To Launch Internet Versions of Office And Windows

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the they're-everywhere-they're-everywhere dept.

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daria42 writes "In a press conference this morning, Bill Gates said Microsoft plans to launch Internet-based complements to its core products, dubbed 'Windows Live' and 'Office Live'. Windows Live is a set of Internet-based personal services, such as e-mail, blogging and instant messaging. It will be primarily supported by advertising and be separate from the operating system itself. Office Live will come in both ad-based and subscription versions that augment MS' Office suite. The programs won't replace the paid software but instead seem aimed at diminishing Google's ad revenue. Windows Live already appears to have 'gone live' in a preview format on the web."

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That can't be Microsoft (4, Interesting)

Psionicist (561330) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928471)

Firefox Users
Firefox support is coming soon. Please be patient :-)

. Did I read that right? MS supporting Firefox?

Hmm. Cool.

Re:That can't be Microsoft (4, Insightful)

Juanvaldes (544895) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928492)

As long as they hurt google they will do almost anything. Besides, they can break compatibility later.

Re:That can't be Microsoft (1)

748boy (751393) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928498)

Ill believe that when i see it,

Re:That can't be Microsoft (5, Funny)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928738)

It works! Really! All you need is the flash plugin, and even FireFox can run Microsoft Windows Live! [albinoblacksheep.com]

Re:That can't be Microsoft (0, Redundant)

kubevubin (906716) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928753)

It doesn't appear to work in Opera

Desperate times... (2, Interesting)

mister_llah (891540) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928519)

Google's pushing Microsoft into a corner... they've got a distinct edge in innovation...

I definately smell a hint of doom on Microsoft, though... but in business, as good as it seems now... we'll just be trading one tyrant for another... call it FUD, but I guess we'll all see in time :)

Re:Desperate times... (2, Interesting)

arhines (620963) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928652)

I'm not sure what brought you to that conclusion...

My reaction, avid OSS user that I am, was basically "Wow. This is actually pretty cool - they've surprised me." I needn't point out that google has said publicly that they have no plans to in any way turn OO.org into a web-based product, so if anyone has an edge here it is clearly the people who just released a beta of their web-based office suite...

Indeed... (3, Insightful)

mister_llah (891540) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928765)

Google themselves don't have any plans because they don't have an office suite... but they just invested a ton of money into the open source community... ... and if Microsoft's "live" beta does well... you'll see clones... open source clones, and if it is good enough, Google might do it... (but who knows, "copycatting" doesn't seem to be their style just yet, they've got a lot of creativity left in them)

===

From the POV I think Google is looking from...

It's a lot easier not to look like a bad guy when you are letting other people do your work for you, I think... Google's got a good edge on that... the open source community is large and just needs money to help it along... it'll edge in on Microsoft's turf while being respectful towards Google for helping it originally.

They don't need to branch into these areas because they are basically paying other people to possibly do it for them... putting them in a better position to indirectly influence that part of the market...

It's a good long term strategy... very sneaky :)

Re:Desperate times... (1)

antimatt (782015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928682)

call it FUD, but I guess we'll all see in time :)

indeed. what happens when google executes order 66?

Re:Desperate times... (2, Insightful)

Lally Singh (3427) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928690)

A hint? Look at their stock history. No real growth in *years*.

Also, isn't this MS leveraging their existing monopoly to gain an edge in a new market? Anti-competitive?

You know what this means? (5, Interesting)

thepotoo (829391) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928592)

Microsoft is getting really desperate. They are downright paranoid about us slashdotters, as well they should be. Firefox support (I hope soon) probably means Linux support (interesting... an alternative to WINE, or just useless?) means that they are really panicy about the google situation.

Also, is it just me, or does firefox do the same thing IE does there? Tried both, and it looks the same, with just the little Firefox users... banner at the top.

Re:You know what this means? (1)

gregbains (890793) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928715)

Well it beats Opera, which gets nothing, not even a nice error bar!

And it seems the same except the sidebar which seems a bit squashed in Firefox

Re:You know what this means? (2, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928723)

Remember when Microsoft was going to do this last time? Supposedly Office was going to be sold to users on an ASP (as in Application Service Provider) basis. You'd pay your monthly fee and you'd get to keep running your software. The market didn't care so much for this extortion^W business plan, and Microsoft decided to move to their "forced upgrade" cycles.

BTW, if anyone is interested, you're not missing anything on live.com. I just went there in IE and it immediately tried to install a bunch of spyware crapola. I was not amused. On the bright side, there's a category for Slashdot!

Re:That can't be Microsoft (2, Funny)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928647)

Gee, when I ran it with Safari, I didn't get any message at all. I guess it's not coming...

Re:That can't be Microsoft (3, Insightful)

gregbains (890793) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928660)

Seems to be working OK in Firefox at the moment, and I don't know about you, but this beats Google IG [google.com] in my opinion!

Wow, did I just say that

Re:That can't be Microsoft (2, Informative)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928719)

don't know about you, but this beats Google IG in my opinion!

Really? I personally don't see how. Colors are a bit easier on the eyes, but that's it. There's no better features.

Re:That can't be Microsoft (2, Interesting)

gregbains (890793) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928746)

Slashdot built in! Also it seems to take better use of my screen space, more customisation is possible, it has MY weather - not weather from 50 miles away from me, I use Hotmail more than Gmail (due to pain of updating), and actually easier and nicer to use, IMO

Re:That can't be Microsoft (2, Insightful)

jhoffoss (73895) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928675)

The hell...

Are we looking at some new, cuddly Microsoft? A fracking emoticon?

Weird. Let's just hope this doesn't turn out to be "we'll support you...by helping you go back and open this webpage with IE."

difinetly M$$.. (4, Interesting)

xTantrum (919048) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928684)

live.com wow, wish i was the one who owned that name. Imagine how much money they payed for it.

Because anyone who's not running Windows wants to, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928473)

right?

Re:Because anyone who's not running Windows wants (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928541)

Pretty much, yeah.

Bill Gates was quoted as saying (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928475)

This has absolutely nothing to do with the reason news of Goo.... Goooo... Ggggg... I can't say the name... but it has nothing to do with them and their work with Open Office.

Re:Bill Gates was quoted as saying (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928551)

This has absolutely nothing to do with the reason news of Goo.... Goooo... Ggggg... I can't say the name... but it has nothing to do with them and their work with Open Office.


Of course not. It's just his latest Keep-Rich-Quick Scheme


Honestly, sounds utterly hokey.

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't (3, Insightful)

Steven Reddie (237450) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928558)

They could have had these products in the works for quite some time, though it seems a safe bet that this is in response to the recent Google rumours. Who cares, though? Reacting to the needs of the market is what smart businesses do. Microsoft seems to be going through a stage of re-inventing themselves somewhat. Becoming leaner and quickly responding to the market is what they need to do to survive. Good on them.

Re:Bill Gates was quoted as saying (2, Insightful)

someonewhois (808065) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928562)

Yeah, it must be related to Google's announcement regarding Open Office. I mean, Microsoft can develop and release Windows Live and Office Live in the matter of 48 hours. Yeah, they're amazing alright.

Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928585)

You might want to read up on the history of Windows and how quickly they announced it after seeing what the competition was. It didn't need to work at that moment... or ten years later, but hey, people bought it.

Question (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928480)

Is 'virophilia' a real word? Because I think Microsoft is suffering from it.

Beta is the new buzzword... (2, Interesting)

mister_llah (891540) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928482)

Ahh, it seems Google's betas have given the name buzzword status...

I remember the good old days when Microsoft's "beta" products were full versions... ahhhh...

Good to see Google's eminent technological takeover is at least causing Microsoft to be a little more honest :)

Go for it, Microsoft... (4, Insightful)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928493)

Why would anyone PAY for something they can't have? And what happens to those Word docs when your subscription runs out? Read only and no copy/paste?

All I can say is "Microsoft, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE 'bet the farm' on this".

Re:Go for it, Microsoft... (4, Insightful)

jm92956n (758515) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928651)

Sun called: they want their dumb terminals idea back.

The market has repeatedly shown that there is no interest in the concept of remote software or slimmed down computers. People really do like their personal computers. I had thought Microsoft understood this well, though it looks as if I've now been proven wrong. Are customers asking for this?

Like a JUNKIE (3, Informative)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928747)

Are customers asking for this?

No. And, I don't think, as I'm sure will be said here, that it has anything at all to do with Google. It has to do with Microsoft wanting to figure out a way to develop an bottomless income stream. For example, many people where quite happy with Windows 95 untill they where forced to upgrade. Many people saw no particular reason to migrate from Windows 2000, untill they where forced. Many companies have built very expensive internal server applications around NT and Windows 2000 Server, but soon, they will be forced to upgrade. Over many of these platforms, people have stuck with Office 95 or Office 2000, because they sill functioned on the platforms and did what the users needed, not reason to upgrade. Microsoft sees revenue here, basically locking users into forced upgrades because once you buy into Subscription Office, you have to keep paying like a junkie if you want to access your documents.

Ripping off Google (2, Interesting)

Ridgelift (228977) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928500)

Windows Live is a painfully bad rip off of Google's Personal Homepage [google.com]. It all just Microsoft up to their old tricks: copy someone elses idea then try to extend it.

This time, however, the deck is stacked against them. Developers are leaving Microsoft and going to Google in hopes to make millions like early Microsoft employees did. Also Microsoft is stuck using their own software as a development platform which is not as flexible as Google or even Apple to make changes. Google can simply outcode Microsoft in the web arena.

Should be a bloodbath.

Re:Ripping off Google (2, Insightful)

log2.0 (674840) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928532)

It doesn't seem to actually do much of the stuff that windows does as an OS. I don't see how they can call it "Windows Live".

I expect this to be a flop.

Re:Ripping off Google (5, Informative)

Otter (3800) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928569)

Windows Live is a painfully bad rip off of Google's Personal Homepage. It all just Microsoft up to their old tricks: copy someone elses idea then try to extend it.

That's what used to be known as a "portal". About 10 years ago, anyone who could slap together a page like that could instantly IPO for a billion dollars. It's hardly something Google invented.

Re:Ripping off Google (1)

blueadept1 (844312) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928572)

It's not just a Microsoft concept ("copy someone elses idea then try to extend it"). It's a fact of the business world. Google had a competitive advantage, so Microsoft moves in to destroy that advantage. Business is business, fight for the consumer.

Re:Ripping off Google (5, Informative)

Chokolad (35911) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928578)

Google personal homepage showed up waaay after Microsoft experiments in this kind of homepage under http://start.com./ [start.com.] Talk about revisionist history...

Re:Ripping off Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928596)

Don't you mean ripping off Yahoo? They have been doing this for years at http://my.yahoo.com/index.html [yahoo.com] you will most likely need a login to see it, but yahoo has been doing this way before google did.

Re:Ripping off Google (1)

putko (753330) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928598)

It will be interesting to see if they can pull this off.

I'm pretty sure the folks over at Google are laughing and yelling a big collective, "Nigg@#$ Pleeeeeeeeze!"

MicroSoft is choosing to compete in territory where it tends to do badly. E.g. Hotmail is 3rd, compared to Yahoo! or Google. MicroSoft isn't a service organization -- they don't do continuous uptime, no bugs, rapid releases well.

I'm sure Google is happy MicroSoft is trying to do this; they'll hemorrage money and generally be feeling like they are on the receiving end of a bukkake session for a long time.

However, if Yahoo! said they were going to do this, the Google folks would be kicking themselves, for not getting it out the door first. And they'd be scared, because Yahoo! knows from running web services. Microsoft knows from bubkis about this.

Re:Ripping off Google (5, Interesting)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928646)

Windows Live is a painfully bad rip off of Google's Personal Homepage [google.com].

I hope you're kidding. It seems, more and more, that there are the deluded who believe that Google, along with Apple, are responsible for everything.

This is nothing more than a rehash of portals [yafla.com], such that we saw in the late 90s. Excite was one of the biggest and most configurable portals, and of course many of us configured it, setting up our stocks and our weather, and then never used it again.

Developers are leaving Microsoft and going to Google in hopes to make millions like early Microsoft employees did.

It's a bit late for that at Google now: It's too big of a company for that get-rich-quick type nonsense. However it is true that a lot of ex-Microsofters have left to join small startups, or to create one themselves. This is especially true too now that Microsoft is becoming just like every other traditional "where careers go to die" organization.

Also Microsoft is stuck using their own software as a development platform

Nonsense. Microsoft's development platform is extraordinarily powerful, and it certainly isn't a detriment that they use it.

The problem that Microsoft's internet ventures have, and it's always been this way, is that they do the absolute minimum amount possible to ensure that they aren't eviscerated, but no more. If you remember, the IE team smoked Netscape, and then they were promptly disbanded. Why? Because that team and group represented a threat to the Microsoft cash cows - Office and Windows. These "web versions" of Office and Windows are almost laughable - if anything they'll complement, and most certainly they won't replace until Microsoft is on its deathbed and the revenue has completely dried up.

Re:Ripping off Google (1)

rindeee (530084) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928704)

My sentiments exactly except I don't think they even tried to extend it. It's a somewhat anemic version of the Google Personal Homepage with nary a hope of ever catching up. I am confounded by the "Windows Live" aspect, but in fairness it is in Beta. Perhaps an Internet based bootable OS is right around the corner. From Microsoft I mean. BWAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!

In seriousness, once Jobs gets the brains to partner up with Google, MS is going to be a distant memory (not that this scenario is necessarily a good thing mind you...I'm all for healthy competition).

Painfully bad? (1)

awful (227543) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928743)

Painfully bad? I think that's a bit strong. I do use Google's Personal Homepage, and the live.com page seems remarkably similar - editable drag and drop content sections, options for adding other or custom content. It has support for 5 languages including 3 variants of English (UK, US and Australian), and interestingly, they are quite mature about what suggested content they offer up - eg. Google News, FLickr. Two of their biggest competitors and they're prepared to send traffic their way.

Painfully bad? Well, I won't use it (it's just another service similar to things I already use) but other people will, and I don't think they'll find it painfully bad.

DEFEAT SAMUEL ALITO (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928501)

The Bush regime MUST NOT be permitted to shove Samuel Alito into the Supreme Court. If this right-wing extremist and piece of Italian goomba shit sits on the bench you can really, truly, seriously kiss the freedoms of the United States goodbye. WRITE YOUR SENATORS. NOW. BEFORE READING ANY FURTHER COMMENTS.

Most people have no idea how really serious this is!

Re:DEFEAT SAMUEL ALITO (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928538)

Posts like this from liberal asshats like you really warms my heart.

Re:DEFEAT SAMUEL ALITO (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928593)

You find the destruction of the Constitution funny? You find war based on lies funny? You find an oblivious public funny? I suppose you would, you're part of it.

Listen you fuckhead. CONSERVATIVES LIE, BUT LIBERALS TELL THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH ALWAYS WINS. Period. There is no debate. If you want to drink the Bush koolaid go ahead but your Fuhrer's days are numbered and Bush WILL hang for treason. You can't fool the public forever, the regime is collapsing. I just pray to God that it collapses before Bush finishes building his police state.

Defeat Samuel Alito. We're not asking you. We're telling you.

Re:DEFEAT SAMUEL ALITO (0, Offtopic)

st1d (218383) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928628)

>>"...but your Fuhrer's days are numbered..."
>>"Defeat Samuel Alito. We're not asking you. We're telling you."

Okay, now I'm really confused. Is Bush the Fuhrer, or are the liberals??! :)

Re:DEFEAT SAMUEL ALITO (-1, Offtopic)

st1d (218383) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928580)

I suppose it's just my rebellious side, but whenever somebody posts something so feverent, racist and off-topic (not to mention demanding that I set aside everything I'm doing till I follow their demands), I can't help but lean the other way. Go Alito! :)

I was more impressed... (3, Funny)

ColGraff (454761) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928502)

I have to say, I was more impressed with "Windows Live" when it was called the Google Personalized Homepage.

Re:I was more impressed... (2)

dejamatt (704418) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928627)

I have to say, I was more impressed with Google personal homepage when it was called start.com.

Re:I was more impressed... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928699)

Uh oh... Now knoppix has competition!

Firefox version comming soon. Please be patient :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928507)

Nooooo !!!!

I want my intentionnally-broken html now !!!!!

Long Live (Ha!) GOOGLE :) (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928513)

Long Live (Ha!) GOOGLE :)

The scary thing about this is.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928514)

Under Categories>Top Feeds>Slashdot is the first option.

Impressive (2, Interesting)

JPyun (911266) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928516)

If MS keeps developing awesome stuff like this, then go Bill. Weee.

Plus I get a warm and fuzzy feeling using "Windows Live" from Linux.

and haven't I had bloody enough... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928517)

of ads? This is crazy. Everything on the web is now driven by advertising. You just can't get away from it!

And now Microsoft wants to tie my desktop into online advertising? No, thank you! OSS begins to look better and better.

Hope it don't use ajax or java script (4, Interesting)

codepunk (167897) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928521)

I hope they don't plan on using ajax or java script to do it. The IE java script interpreter is so damn slow it is like watching paint dry. I just tried to build a large scale app using a java script interface kit and failed. It failed not because the program was bad, as a matter of fact it was damn snappy in firefox. Then I did the unthinkable and loaded it up in IE, slow as mud to the point of being totally unusable. The next person that tells me how great IE is, I am going to punch in the teeth.

That sound you hear... (5, Funny)

pedantic bore (740196) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928526)

... is your local broadband company throwing a party.

Unless they can really trim the fat, this will be the biggest motivation for broadband since pr0n.

I saw some versions of this when I worked there (2, Interesting)

Saint Stephen (19450) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928528)

I saw some HTML + webified versions of Office when I worked there. Probably around 2000. They cancelled it. I wish I could remember more about it.

Great - Stability (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928544)

This is JUST the set of office tools I've been waiting for. Finally, an office suite that is always available and will be known for its stability. I can't wait to make the switch.

I love marketing-talk (5, Funny)

kebes (861706) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928573)

"This advertising model has emerged as a very important thing," Gates said.

Translation: "We really missed the boat on that one, and are desperately trying to catch up."

"The live phenomenon is not just about Microsoft. It's partners, it's competitors...the whole space is being transformed."

Translation: "I woke up one day and suddenly there was this technology company making alot of money... and to my surprise it wasn't Microsoft! I knew I had to take over that tech sector ASAP so I asked someone what all this 'online' stuff was about."

Re:I love marketing-talk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928718)

This is modded insightful? rediculous.

live.com domain (3, Interesting)

Karamchand (607798) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928576)

I really wonder how much they had to pay for live.com. According to whois the domain was just updated on Oct 31.

Re:live.com domain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928666)

I thought the exact same thing. I bet the shelled out quite a bit for it. According to the Internet Archive, live.com used to be a streaming media web site, looks to have been run by a single guy who was on top of things when domain name selling began:

http://web.archive.org/web/20041126052107/http://w ww.live.com/ [archive.org]

I bet Live Networks, Inc. founder/CEO Ross Finlayson made out nicely. Oddly enough, the archive doesn't have any entries for live.com after Nov 26, 2004. Ironic..

Re:live.com domain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928737)

Looks bunk. Haven't changed the domain registration info, uses an emoticon when talking about Firefox, claims it will support Firefox, doesn't use an M$ product to produce the page.

Anti-Competitive? (0, Troll)

potat0man (724766) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928586)

Wouldn't this fall under monopolistic/anti-competition laws? Giving something away below cost in order to crush competition?

Re:Anti-Competitive? (1)

JMUChrisF (188300) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928761)

i wouldn't particularly think so. they're not forcing you to use it. you have other choices.

it's different than them basically forcing OEMs to put windows on their machines.

Hoax? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928590)

Is this really an official Microsoft site? It looks like it's probably a hoax. Microsoft wouldn't release something this unpolished and clearly inferior to Google's personalized homepage. Microsoft takes Google VERY seriously.

The first sentence on the page seems like a giveaway: "Your online world gets better when everything works simply and effortlessly together." Microsoft employs lots of good writers; I can't see something like that making its way through to a front page.

My tracert was inconclusive.

Riding the Bear (3, Insightful)

axonal (732578) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928594)

Microsoft is in the position IBM was years ago and they are just beginning to realize the effect of Google and it seems a bit too late now... ...a lot of Microsoft's current offerings aren't all that appealing or innovative compared to Googles and other companies.

the point of windows live is... (2, Informative)

cryptoz (878581) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928606)

what, exactly? since you seem to have to have the real windows to use it, what's the point of using a web based version of an operating system which you're already using?

I'm posting this in the context that live.com is COMPLETELY broken in opera and mostly broken in firefox on my linux machine, which is all I have access to right now.

worst. service. ever.

heh (1)

hurfy (735314) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928610)

I can't get past the image of clippy popping up to sell me a widget cause i typed widget in a speadsheet ;)

Not entirely bad idea, access to word at home could be handy at times ... just not enough to justify buying it myself. I am betting that a subscription based one will be a rip-off tho.

Try a real online OS (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928612)

This is a bunch of B/S from Microsoft. If you want to try a real online os (still in Beta) go to www.eyeos.org. That is some really cool stuff

~Alan

Apple .Mac anyone? (1)

curmi (205804) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928620)

Windows Live sounds a lot like .Mac [mac.com]. Only with ads.

Great to see Microsoft innovating once again.

They just don't get it. (1)

barik (160226) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928625)

Microsoft just doesn't get it. The fact they consider Firefox an afterthought is a good indication that they're going to lose the online search/portal wars to Google. They still don't understand that they no longer have a monopoly on the web and that proprietary platform development will no longer cut it.

In the past year, I've seen sites like Chase, Georgia Power, and others write better web code to support alternate browsers. Three years ago, these sites would barely work. Firefox isn't a predominant player yet, but it can't easily be ignored either.

Re:They just don't get it. (2, Insightful)

Thu25245 (801369) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928749)

How long did it take Google to build a Firefox version of their toolbar?

How long will it take until a Linux or Mac version of Google Earth comes out? Google Desktop Search?

Almost 90% of the market uses both Windows and IE. It should come as no surprise that they're the first priority. That Microsoft intends to support Firefox at all is a step forward.

Bad Move? (5, Interesting)

B4L1STA (901455) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928632)

This seems like it could be the beginning of everything moving to a more web-oriented computer experience. Who needs Windows when you can use Office, MSN, etc. FROM FIREFOX (under Linux). Windows could be left for professionals who need a robust platform to run "real" applications for things like video/image editing, CAD design, etc. Everyday users could do the most basic computer tasks in the same way under Linux as under Windows... I guess even if this kills Windows, Microsoft has a stake in it either way now...

Windows Live (2, Funny)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928643)

So how soon before we can have a full Windows operating system "live", complete with BSODs and malware?

Looks a lot like Start.com (1)

EraserMouseMan (847479) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928650)

Don't you think so? I just wonder weather Start.com was a trial baloon to see how the public would respond to the new format.

Re:Looks a lot like Start.com (1)

Idontpostmuch (918650) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928758)

It wasn't about how they would respond. The real reason for start.com was so they could write it and stablize it, and also so devs could write gadgets earlier.

IE Crash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928654)

When I visited the site, my internet explorer crashed. No joke. I'm using IE6. Anyone else have this happen?

Netvibes (0, Offtopic)

GFPerez (683823) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928700)

Windows Live remembers me of www.netvibes.com (or any other "customized homepage" system).

Wow. Great Name (1)

bullitB (447519) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928732)

Seriously, live.com is an insanely good domain name. If I had $50bn in cash, I'd probably buy that too.

And the RSS reader is pretty darn neat too.

It doesn't actually do anything I use Windows and Office for (playing games and pretending to do work, respectively), but eh...interesting.

So shoot me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13928733)

But I'm an optimist.

Firefox Users
Firefox support is coming soon. Please be patient :-)

Says a lot. Maybe, just maybe, Microsoft is starting to see the error in their ways.

This does seem like a good idea. I wish them success.

This crashes my IE in XP (1)

Augusto (12068) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928742)

At least if I go in with firefox it renders incorrectly but doesn't crash my browser.

Interesting (1)

Auckerman (223266) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928756)

It seems like this page was thrown togethor pretty quickly. According to a job posting I saw on craigslist this afternoon, MS is looking for Systems Admins/Engineers for Windows Live (with command line experience). The DNS was updated yesterday, the registrar (register.com) still has the owner being some guy named Jack Spurr and not Microsoft. I guess these are two reasons why it's "beta".

Excellent (1)

Evil Pete (73279) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928759)

Internet Versions of Office And Windows

A great idea! Just as long as the security is rock solid ... oh wait....

Deficit of Ideas (1)

esconsult1 (203878) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928777)

See, this is why MS still sucks.

Windows users would sign up for droves for something like Apple's .Mac [apple.com], this would have been a great way for Microsoft to get more revenue stream, offer backup services, personal home pages, file exchange, groups, and what not. Sure, Windows is crappy enough already, but a service like that, for Windows would have been a great thing. I'm sure Google will introduce it soon enough anyway.

Instead, they're in full reaction mode to Google with this really crappy site that seems to get the worst features of the web assembled all in one place.

Man, these guys have lost the ability to innovate Big Time (tm). I don't use Windows, but we all can see the opportunity that they missed here.

Holy Crap! (2, Funny)

SamSeaborn (724276) | more than 8 years ago | (#13928783)

Holy Crap! This is slick!

www.live.com -- the best drag-and-drop web implementation I have ever seen. Everything feels light and slick ... delightful.

Watch out, Google -- MS is on the move. This is an *awesome* implementation of an interactive web interface.

Sam

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