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GORM 1.0 Release to Take on GNOME/KDE?

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the uphill-battles dept.

GNUStep 451

qa'lth writes "Today marks the occasion of the release of Gorm 1.0, the Interface Builder for the GNUstep project, and with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects. Finally, today, Free Software users can enjoy the power of a well-designed, powerful object-oriented system derived from OpenStep, legacy to the acclaimed MacOSX, through GNUstep, our loving reimplementation of the OpenStep standard."

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Riiight. (5, Insightful)

coolGuyZak (844482) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931526)

with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects

Riiight. 'Nuff Said.

You're close (-1, Troll)

Frothy Walrus (534163) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931663)

GNOME and KDE were obsoleted with the release of Mac OS X.

Re:Riiight. (5, Insightful)

molnarcs (675885) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931666)

Yeah - I don't know which is worse: 1) making such claims just for publicity (flamebait?) 2) or truly believing in it. In either case, the first screenshot [gnustep.org] you bump into will discredit their claim immediately. Compare it with anything trolltech has to offer with qt4 (or kde4's plasma efforts, koffice kids, etc.) and their development tools... I don't mention GNOME development tools because I'm not familiar with them, but I don't think they will be "obsoleted" either.

Re:Riiight. (4, Interesting)

GreyWolf3000 (468618) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931770)

I think it was meant as a joke.

However, gnustep has been themed, and it can look pretty good. From a UI perspective, I really like how consistent and polished the interface is, even when it's in the default "prosaic" grey. And it's not only easy to learn, it's also easy to use. From a usability perspective, I think it's much more intelligently designed than Gnome or KDE.

SUN dropped GNOME as Desktop (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931732)

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!! (2, Insightful)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931530)

with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects.

WTF??? Not even Microsoft would dare make such blatant and patently false claims. I'm all for marketing but this is unadulterated bullshit and I don't even want to look at something that starts with BS like this!

Re:Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!! (2, Interesting)

Elektroschock (659467) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931593)

Guess this was a joke. :-) However, is it possible to reimplement the Mac OS X APi based on GNUStep?

Re:Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!! (5, Informative)

grahamlee (522375) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931661)

Both OS X's Cocoa and GNUstep are based on the same API specification; "OpenStep" jointly written by NeXT Software and Sun Microsystems in the mid-1990s. Code which targets OpenStep will work on both Cocoa and GNUstep - however from thereon there are divergences...GNUstep has classes which Cocoa lacks and vice versa. It would be possible to reimplement the missing classes on the other system, just it hasn't been done.

Re:Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!! (-1, Redundant)

darrint (265374) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931601)

Not even Microsoft would dare make such blatant and patently false claims.

I'd like to introduce you to a new friend:

Humor!

Re:Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!! (1)

tezbobobo (879983) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931643)

Actually, it may not be BS. Time will tell that. It isn't so much 'patently false.' so much as 'unsubstantiated.'

And actually it is very similar to microsoft claims. Think of times they made claims about there killer software which had not even been released yet!

Re:Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!! (5, Funny)

SavvyPlayer (774432) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931664)

GORM also obsoletes XTerm, Vista, Web 2.0, the Automobile and the Universe in general.

Re:Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931733)

i lol'd, MOD UP!

Bull stuff. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931754)

No kidding! Looking at the screenshot it's an even more astounding claim. This Gorm [nyud.net] is simply an interface designer that looks like a steaming pile [nyud.net] when compared with the likes of QT Designer. [trolltech.com]

Re:Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!! (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931806)

I haven't noticed that GnuStep guys said it. Just some individual named "qa'lth" did it...

let the flames... (1, Funny)

know1 (854868) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931532)

..BEGIN

That's confidence for you... (3, Funny)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931533)

and with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects.

Nothing like a little optimism, eh? Quick question, what are you smoking and who's your dealer? I gotta get some of that stuff...

Re:That's confidence for you... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931619)

Nothing like a little optimism, eh?
Did you mean: opium

Re:That's confidence for you... (1)

b100dian (771163) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931729)

At least he's not smoking cracks for their own software...
Err.. wait..

more like gnu/turd (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931536)

fp?

Desktop wars. (1)

ExtraT (704420) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931538)

When will it end? :(

Re:Desktop wars. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931560)

What wars? All desktop environments are born dead, how can they fight?

Re:Desktop wars. (2, Insightful)

molnarcs (675885) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931726)

"Desktop wars When will it end? :("

Hopefully never! As long as it lasts, there is competition, meaning rapid pace of development, choice, etc..

Re:Desktop wars. (1)

DaPoulpe (795028) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931749)

You have to pay attention son, they just said it was over 'coz OpenStep won :)

who cares (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931539)

How about decent and WORKING drag and drop?

everyone is busy with eye candy and other useless add-ons and ignore basic operability and useability.

Re:who cares (3, Informative)

grahamlee (522375) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931696)

GNUstep has drag and drop, and doesn't have much eye candy.

Imminent $deathmode of $thing predicted! (-1, Redundant)

NetCow (117556) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931544)

and with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects
*sigh*
Imminent deflation of that phrase's creator ego predicted...

Thats one ugly interface (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931548)

It doesn't even look all that functional, lightweight yes, but it still looks ugly has hell, i mean fluxbox looks better. So how is this supposed to compete with gnome and KDE

Re:Thats one ugly interface (3, Informative)

stivi (534158) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931740)

First: ugly appearance is not equal to non-funcionality. Flashy and colorful does not mean functional. If you want it to be pretty, use Camaelon as depicted here [xdev.org] . The Camaelon bundle is in the progress of being included into the main GNUstep distribution. Themability was low priority to the project, compared to functionality.

Besides that, if you would like to know, then I have seen many expert applications that are "ugly" because of some obsolete GUI toolkits. And guess what? The experts use it and do not care about the appearance at all, but about the functionality.

And how it competes with KDE? By different application development approach, by different point of view on objects (C++ objects vs. Objective-C/Smalltalk-like), by another objective runtime, by different paradigms... If it had everything that KDE has, it would be KDE, not GNUstep. It is different so developers can have an alternative. Can you imagine a world where everyone would be the same?

The Real Question is... (0, Redundant)

Markus_UW (892365) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931554)

Does it run on Linux?

Re:The Real Question is... (1)

odweaver (914814) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931579)

No, actually it doesn't run on linux, it runs on Windows 3.1

Re:The Real Question is... (1)

Lodragandraoidh (639696) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931637)

Afterstep runs under Linux -- a cousin of OpenStep...

Re:The Real Question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931799)

Unfortunately Windows 3.1 already has RAD builders on this level, such as Visual Basic 3.0 and Borland Delphi. Maybe someday Linux will catch up.

feh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931562)

Submitter is a bit of a gormster.

Graphical Object Relationship Modeller (5, Informative)

stivi (534158) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931569)

Gorm is also a RAD application that allows one to create user interfaces and various application object models in very intuitive way, benefiting from highly dynamic features of the Objective-C language and runtime. Flash videos can be seen here [blogspot.com] . More information can be found on this blog [slashdot.org] . Interesting is, that the application could never be done in C++, check out why [blogspot.com] .

Re:Graphical Object Relationship Modeller (2, Insightful)

tgv (254536) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931633)

I say: nonsense. Everything that can be programmed can be programmed in C++. Or C. Heck, even in Perl.

I know Objective-C (I do my modelling in Cocoa), and I know how the dynamic bit works, but to say that it cannot be done in C++ is BS in principle. It cannot be done in the same way, but it surely can be done.

Re:Graphical Object Relationship Modeller (1)

b100dian (771163) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931745)

I think that anything can be done in asm!

Heck, actually everything is done in asm!

Re:Graphical Object Relationship Modeller (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931670)

Oh, I remember the ObjC versus C++ language war. There was an unconditional surrendor in like 1993.

That blog is sorta like those Japanese soliders that held out on remote islands for 20 years because nobody told them the war was done.

The real question is, does this bring anything to the table that isn't available in C# environments?

Re:Graphical Object Relationship Modeller (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931689)

Interesting is, that the application could never be done in C++, check out why [blogspot.com].

That's crap, and if I had a blogger account I'd tell him where to go.

4) Dynamic binding: so you make a baseclass with all the common interfaces you'll need. If that's not good enough, C++ does support dynamic downcasting with run-time typing information.
1) Categories: I'm not 100% sure what he means but these sound like C#'s attributes. So build this kind of mechanism into your baseclass.
3) Protocols - WTF? If that means 'interface', well, yeah C++ does those well.

Re:Graphical Object Relationship Modeller (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931734)

Interesting is, that the application could never be done in C++, check out why.

Of course it can be done in C++. Maybe less quickly, maybe with a different internal design, but all programming languages are equivalent at a fundamental level and any program that is possible to write in one language is possible in another.

Re:Graphical Object Relationship Modeller (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931773)

Interesting is, that the application could never be done in C++, check out why [blogspot.com].

Arguments #1, #3, and #4 are all solved by COM and Corba, which you can use with C++. It's not built into the language, but it's not supposed to be with C++.

"could never be done in C++" ... What a bunch of crap. You might as well say it will make KDE and GNOME obsolete... oh wait...

whuh???? (0, Redundant)

bazmail (764941) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931573)

"...and with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects"

Are these guys on crack?

GuuuuuuuuhhhHHH!!! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931576)

I GOOOOOOOORRRRMMM!!!!!! GORM SMASH!!!!! KDE EAT!!!! SMASH GNOME!!!! GUUUUUhhhHHH!!!! GrrrRRRRR!!!! I GOOOOOOOORRRRRMMMMM!!!!




alternatively:

Gorm nuts!
Corn nuts!!
Gorm nuts!
Coooorn nuts!!
Gooorm nuts!!!
Cooooooooorn!!!!!!
Gooooooooooorrm!!!!!

Re:GuuuuuuuuhhhHHH!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931659)

Who aaaaarrreee these people?
Hoo aaaaarrrrrr deese beebles?

Re:GuuuuuuuuhhhHHH!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931728)

Why is this so funny? I'm sitting here laughing and I have no clue why.

Re:GuuuuuuuuhhhHHH!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931765)

It's from a skit on Letterman where they were auditioning a replacement for Seinfeld when he announced he was quitting his show. I think this guy in particular was a cab driver, if memory serves. The interviewer insisted on exact pronunciation, and this guy couldn't get it right (because of his accent). The guy starts getting kind of frustrated at the end. It was hilarious, but I haven't seen that episode except for that one time back in '97-'98.

Knock em dead GORM! (4, Funny)

gihan_ripper (785510) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931577)

Maybe GORM will make GNOME and KDE obsolete, but first their server will have to withstand a righteous Slashdotting!

Half a marketing jobbie (3, Interesting)

Elfod (567688) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931582)

Having set the expectation with references to OSX, why don't they have any drop dead gorgeous screenshots instead of one very dated looking one? I had high hopes that got dashed with WTF?

-1 Flamebait (4, Insightful)

ticklejw (453382) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931583)

So why can't we moderate articles too?

Re:-1 Flamebait (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931788)

So why can't we moderate articles too?
Because then we'd be using digg.com, and only old people do that.

MOD PARENT DOWN (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931584)

Article is a troll, please get rid of it. Thanks!

Maybe... No. (4, Informative)

Ageless (10680) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931585)

I'll be the first to admit that Interface Builder (in OS X at least) is an incredible, life changing piece of software. If you've never written a GUI using Cocoa with Interface Builder you can't even imagine how easy it can be.

And Gorm is supposed to be Interface Builder for GNUStep.

That said, it's not GNOME or KDE. You've still got to write that whole boring desktop thing. Gorm might make it a lot easier to write all the stuff that's still missing but saying it made GNOME and KDE obsolete is just plain bullshit.

Re:Maybe... No. (2, Informative)

bullitB (447519) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931757)

You've still got to write that whole boring desktop thing.

That's what GNUStep is for. The whole point here is that now the GNUStep project has a complete, released desktop development environment.

That said...this is essentially the equivalent of announcing GNU/Hurd, 1.0, thus making the Linux kernel obsolete. :)

Which version of Max OS X? (-1, Troll)

wbhauck (629723) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931595)

"legacy to the acclaimed MacOSX"

If they're referring to OSX 10.1.1, i'll pass.

Re:Which version of Max OS X? (1)

dloose (900754) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931683)

Obviously he's referring to 10.1.1. What else would he be referring to? The current version of the software? That just wouldn't make sense, would it? PS you're dumb.

Over the top (2, Funny)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931599)

Before hyping up your toolkit and predicting the death of all other OSS desktops, it's generally best to make sure your toolkit doesn't look like crap in all the screenshots.

This is a joke, right? (1)

schestowitz (843559) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931608)

But it doesn't have the Monty Python foot. Will I ever drop KDE for that ugly thing?

Gorm! (1)

piyamaradus (447473) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931614)

It sounds very 'tinny'...

Re:Gorm! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931795)

No, definitely 'woody.' Gooooorm. Goooooooorm.

MacOSX? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931618)

I assume they mean Aqua. In any case, I can't say I much like Aqua. It is just too inflexible. It is Apple's engineers saying they know better than I how I best I work.

Put the menu back in the window, bring back focus-follows-mouse, and allow typing into background windows without them popping to the front....pleeeeeaaaasse. ...or at least allow it be configured that way, as can be done on Microsoft Windows.

With that stupid menu at the top of the screen, the Mac is destined to stay a one or two monitor system.

Lighten up (4, Informative)

Ur@eus (148802) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931621)

They GNUStep guy announcing this was just trying to have some fun, why the hell to people get some riled up by the obsoleting GNOME and KDE statement, have people completely lost their sense of humour? Congratulations to the GNUStep team on their Gorm 1.0 release! nuff said

Re:Lighten up (1)

scooviduvoctagon (801935) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931722)

They GNUStep guy announcing this was just trying to have some fun,

Right-on brutha...

I know it's early morning in the U.S., and gas prices suck... but lighten up, people!

Re:Lighten up (1, Offtopic)

seanellis (302682) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931736)

Even I could see the tongue in cheek from here.

I thought that we on Slashdot are supposed to intellgent beings, not the kind of L33T D00DZ who have to have obvious humor put in <joke></joke> tags, with a liberal helping of :-) ;-) after everything and topped off with a LOL!!1!11!!

But look like I'm wrong (joke, LOL!ll111!11, :-), rimshot, etc. Sigh.)

Re:Lighten up (0, Offtopic)

idontgno (624372) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931808)

I dunno. Most times, humor is...um...funny.

I don't really care if the original poster was going for funny. There's a little TLA for this situation, usually reserved for fr1st psot lusers: YFI.

Besides the whole thing reeks of "haha only serious." A real case of Napoleon Chihuahua going on here. [clueless.com]

Re:Lighten up (3, Insightful)

molnarcs (675885) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931784)

"They GNUStep guy announcing this was just trying to have some fun, why the hell to people get some riled up"

Because, incidentally, this is also a good way to create publicity for your pet project. Some would argue that this is page hit "whoring". Not that it is not a legitimate way of creating interest, but I understand those who have issues with this kind of "humor". In all honesty, you have to attribute a very good sense of irony (self-parody?) to the author to take the "joke" - and I don't know him enough to do just that. I don't exclude the possibility that what he said was in jest, but I understand those who get "riled up".

open step vs cocoa (4, Interesting)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931626)

I think three things will really help GNUstep. the first it the ability to read nib files. If GORM can load a OSX nib file, it will allows people to port the thousands of OSX apps they have made to GNUstep. Second, if they chnaged their target to Cocoa (link it to a version of OSX and release new versions with each release to add features).
The third and final thing is the appearance. GNUstep will never be popular looking thw way it does now. The default look looks too much like 1994 and unfortunately, many people will judge it based on that.

OSX + linux cross platform development would be a HUGE boost to linux.

the obsolence? (-1, Redundant)

dJOEK (66178) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931629)


"...and with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects"

you're joking, right?

Re:the obsolence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931763)

>"...and with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects"

>you're joking, right?

Yes it is a joke....
It seems that slashdoters that not have sense of humour ! :)

the bright side? (2, Funny)

amrust (686727) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931631)

Don't be too quick to judge, guys.

From what I see, it looks every bit as eye-pleasing as OS/2!

/sarcasm

I hope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931634)

I hope it's prettier^H^H^H^H^H^H er, more stable, than the web server.

SUN dropped GNOME as Desktop (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931635)

Microsoft Stole Gorm (1, Funny)

diablo-d3 (175104) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931638)

According to this insider's blog [blogspot.com] , Microsoft has stole Gorm, among other software.

GNUstep/Windowmaker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931646)

I would love for GNUstep to really make a comeback...
Windowmaker used to be a really strong environment; Nowdays environments like xfce tended to scratch that itch.

GNUstep is another choice, not a replacement. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931655)

Hhhmmmmm.

Me thinks that this poster is a bit sarcastic.

But whatever. GNUstep is a mature and well thought out system for power users. Not my cup of tea, but in absence of Gnome 2.4 and newer software I would probably be using it.

It's also great for systems with lower resources. X terminals, Pentium 2 machines, and the like. Very nice and is picking up the slack that KDE and Gnome leave as they race to beat Microsoft Vista (hopefully before Vista reaches critical mass 2-3 years after it finally gets released (MS still saying it's end of next year?))

If your like me and KDE makes you twitch nerviously, or unlike my you don't have a gig of RAM to deal with Gnome's concept of "simplicity thru complexity" then definately give GNUstep-based systems a look. (GNUstep is actually the API stuff, other projects do the desktop bits)

The nice thing about GNUstep that may attract people is that it's a implimentation for OpenSTEP.

Software previously developed for the Openstep API is what Apple used to create the 'modern' Cocoa half of OS X. (were as the 'older' half is Carbon which follows along the lines of OS 9 and OS 8).

Effectively this makes Cocoa a extended version of Openstep. GNUstep and Cocoa then share a high degree of API compatability. That means that if you write for Cocoa you can much more easily port your applications to run in Linux on Gnustep API and visa versa.

Re:GNUstep is another choice, not a replacement. (1)

Keyslapper (852034) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931739)

I'm glad you cleared that up :)

As a general rule, I generally like to take the tack opposite the majority of responders, but this one is kinda hard. I generally like lightweight, but I don't see anything there that would make me drop my Fvwm2 desktop. I'll probably switch to KDE long before I bother trying this out.

Man, now I think of it, CmdrTaco was probably tossing grenades with this post just to see what happened. Ever see someone throw a long tailed cat into a room full of rockers then step back with an evil grin to wait for the chaos?

Man after my own heart. :)

Trail Mix? (1)

MrWiggum (910429) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931671)

I thought gorm was that damn granola stuff that my parents always made me eat on a hike.

ITYM gorp (1)

Mille Mots (865955) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931751)

Granola, oats, raisins, peanuts. Although Wikipedia's entry [wikipedia.org] says it might also mean Good Old Raisins and Peanuts.

Re:Trail Mix? (0, Offtopic)

MrWiggum (910429) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931781)

Man you know your joke sucked when you get a response like this. Sorry to have inflicted it on all of you.

moderation (1)

tezbobobo (879983) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931673)

This article seems a little 'flamable.' What is needed is a system whereby as you submit a response, you can choose whether you agree with the choice of the article. Once there are say, 300 responses, and >50% are negative, it is removed from the front page. This would make for a boring April 1st, but there'd be no more Dvorak articles (not to mention I actually like the guy).

Mirror? (0, Offtopic)

MiliusXP (861816) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931677)

Someone have the mirror link ? The main link seem Slashdotted!!

Re:Mirror? (2, Informative)

GraemeDonaldson (826049) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931802)

Gorm [mirrordot.org]
GNUstep [mirrordot.org]

How to Make Yourself Popular (-1, Offtopic)

segedunum (883035) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931684)

and with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects.

Wow. How to ensure it becomes instantly popular with Slashdot readers, since Slashdot readers are divided into Gnome and KDE people anyway. Nice one.

I call shen (-1, Offtopic)

Lord Byron II (671689) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931686)

"with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects"

Since you say so, I've already done a 'rm -rdf kde gnome' on my system. Afterall, the /. editors would never allow any biased, twisted, or marketing spin to disgrace their pure website.

Death of KDE and Gnome (0, Offtopic)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931697)

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

-everphilski-

Re:Death of KDE and Gnome (0, Offtopic)

Mercano (826132) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931760)

Kahhhhhhhn!

Re:Death of KDE and Gnome (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931779)

gah. it was a reference to the Star Wars article preceding it. But whatever. :)

-everphilski-

YATA Release to Take on Slashdot? (-1, Offtopic)

diogenes57 (43063) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931702)

Today marks the release of YATA 999,999,999.1, Yet Another Troll Article, and with it comes the death of Slashdot. Finally, today, nerds can enjoy the power of Real Life when they step outside of their musky basements in droves to see what else the world has to offer.

But ... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931710)

Didn't Kirk defeat thier captain?

Looks like I'll have to stay... (2, Funny)

dkf (304284) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931715)

GORMless

Gorm Videos Demonstrations (4, Informative)

roard (661272) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931718)

I recorded a few videos (flash..) demonstrating Gorm [xdev.org] ...

It's a bit tedious to explain with words what Gorm is all about -- it's much simpler to actually *see* it :-)

If you have only one video to see, check the one about the custom palette [xdev.org] -- but the other are interesting too :-) (the StepTalk one demonstrate a creation of a simple calculator *entirely* in Gorm, using the StepTalk palette, which let you code in various languages).

The rumors of KDE/Gnome's demise.. (3, Interesting)

Mille Mots (865955) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931723)

Gutsy statement, but I regret to inform Gorm's developers that Gnome and KDE went the way of the dodo as soon as I woke up from my 'desktop wars' fueled dreamstate and realized all I need is a way to launch Firefox, Evolution and maybe VMWare from time to time. Blackbox does that for me, with minimal overhead (at least compared to KDE and Gnome) and without getting in my way. I'd go find out if Gorm is as lightweight as Blackbox, but the site is aleady /.-ed. Somehow I doubt that it is, though, what with talk of 'Object Oriented Desktop' and making Gnome and KDE obsolete. :\

Why waste time trying to make my desktop work and act like Windows(tm)(r)(C)(and possible 666) when all I really want is to get my work done without all the bling?

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Gormless (2, Funny)

fuyu-no-neko (839858) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931735)

with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects.

I was about to call that a gormless prediction, but then I realised that that was the whole point... -.-

So they mean... (1)

TheMadPenguin (662390) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931737)

this [gnustep.org] is going to take on modern GNOME/KDE? I'll try to contain my fear... But with that I must say I will welcome our 1995 overlords with cookies and milk that has past its expiration

why markets go in wrong directions (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13931742)

It's telling that one of the things that gets people (even us geeks) most excited about their systems is the desktop. Isn't it more important how kernels work, filesystems, messaging, etc? Our cultures fascination with "neon cup holders" to the exclusion of "what's under the hood" is a testimony to the success of marketing but very anti-darwinian.

Apple? (1)

tezbobobo (879983) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931753)

Ignoring the solid relationship to apple:

                  FTA - After creating the interface, objects can be linked using mouse operations. Also Gorm features interactive testing of interfaces.

This sounds very much like what Apple has had for a very long time with its XCode tools. Whilst its great that apple has had this for a long time, it will provide something very new for KDE and Gnome users. Perhaps it will provide some serious competition for these.

Haha, only marketing (0)

idontgno (624372) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931758)

...the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects

-1 flamebait, or maybe -1 troll, or -1 stupid advertising.

I know, I know, "it's a joke". Yeah. Right.

I use Openstep some. It's nice. But a really tricked out Accord won't be obsoleting BMW any time soon, either.

Gorn? (0, Offtopic)

kmcardle (24757) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931761)

I thought this was a Star Trek story at first look. I was hoping for a good spinoff series where the Gorn conquer the Federation.

GORM... (1)

segedunum (883035) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931775)

...less? I think they could have picked a better name. It's worse than Gnome, or should I say, 'G'-nome.

1.0 already!? (2, Funny)

b100dian (771163) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931778)

Since when free software software begins its releases with 1.0??!

enlighten me please (1)

confused one (671304) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931780)

I don't understand. From what I see, this doesn't give you much over using the old Athena libraries (visually) or using TK (as in Tcl/TK or Perl/TK). How is this an improvement over using KDE/Qt or Gnome

What fresh hell IS this? (0, Redundant)

Hosiah (849792) | more than 8 years ago | (#13931794)

Why is the icon from the top of my Window-Maker dock at the top of Slashdot? I thought I was the only one who knew that desktop existed (it's my second favorite after Fluxbox!). What's Gorm? Why is a GNU app, or ANY Open Source app, touted like a World Wrestling cheesehead brought into the show in the second half? I don't care if your open-source app is the second coming of Buddha, though shalt not challenge thy fellow FOSS! What's this with WM's lineage? I thought it was descended from NextStep? I can't reach any of the links. Has OpenStep just thrown away it's only chance for popularity with this dishrag post?
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