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GUBA makes Usenet search easy as Google

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the bandwidth-hogs dept.

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ChipGuy writes "Despite the growing popularity of p2p networks,Usenet is the real treasure trove of multimedia content including vintage cartoons, westerns and popular television shows. Nearly two terabytes of data is added everyday to Usenet. GUBA, a seven year old San Francisco company is making it easier to find the information on Usenet through the browser. Its like " Google for Usenet," says this report."

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253 comments

Google for usenet? (5, Insightful)

selfabuse (681350) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933015)

So.. they've invented deja/google groups?

GUBA? Will only goobers use it? /nt (-1, Offtopic)

$pacemonkey (821894) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933087)

/nt

And here I thought... (3, Informative)

sterno (16320) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933114)

Funny me, I thought that google for usenet was Google [google.com] .

Re:And here I thought... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933208)

Funny, I thought you were not one of those butt-ugly, cock-sucking Google-zealots drooling and wetting their pants when any random webwhore says "OMG TEH GOOGEL mAKES AN OS!!!11!".

Re:Google for usenet? (4, Informative)

eln (21727) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933115)

As a long time connoisseur of porn^H^H^H^Hobscure films, I can tell you that Google Groups does not provide access to binaries.

Oldie but goodie (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933218)

When I think of dirty old men, I think of Ike Thomas and when I think about Ike I get a hard on that won't quit.

Sixty years ago,I worked in what was once my Grandfather's Greenhouses. Gramps had died a year earlier and Grandma, now in her seventies had been forced to sell to the competition. I got a job with the new owners and mostly worked the range by myself. That summer, they hired a man to help me get the benches ready for the fall planting.

Ike always looked like he was three days from a shave and his whiskers were dirty white under the brim of his battered felt fedora.

He did nott chew tobacco but the corners of his mouth turned down in a way that, at any moment, I expected a trickle of thin, brown juice to creep down his chin. His bushy, brown eyebrows shaded pale, gray eyes.

Old Ike, he extended his hand, lifted his leg like a dog about to mark a bush and let go the loudest fart I ever heard. The old man winked at me. ÒIke Thomas is the name and playing pecker's my game.

I thought he said, "Checkers." I was nineteen, green as grass. I said, "I was never much good at that game."

"Now me," said Ike, "I just love jumping men. . ."

"I'll bet you do."

". . . and grabbing on to their peckers," said Ike.

"I though we were talking about. . ."

"You like jumping old men's peckers?"

I shook my head.

"I reckon we'll have to remedy that." Ike lifted his right leg and let go another tremendous fart. "He said, "We best be getting to work."

That summer of1941 was a more innocent time. I learned most of the sex I knew from those little eight pager cartoon booklets of comic-page characters going at it. Young men read them in the privacy of an outside john, played with themselves, by themselves and didn't brag about it. Sometimes, we got off with a trusted friend and helped each other out.

Under the greenhouse glass, the temperature some times climbed over the hundred degree mark. I had worked stripped to the waist since April and was as browwn as a berry. On only his second day on the job and in the middle of August, Ike wore old fashioned overalls. Those and socks in his hightop work shoes was every stitch he wore. When he bent forward, the bib front billowed out and I could see the white curly hairs on his chest and belly.

"Me? I just love to eat pussy!" Ike licked his lips from corner to corner then stuck it out far enough that the tip could touch the tip of his nose. He said, A man's not a man till he knows first hand, the flavor of a lady's pussy."

"People do that?"

He winked. "Of course the taste of a hard cock ain't to be sneezed at neither. Now you answer me, yes or no. Does a man's cock taste salty or not?"

"I never. . ."

"Well, old Ike's willing to let you find out."

"No way."

"Just teasing," said Ike. "But don't give me no sass or I'll show you my ass." He winked. Might show it to you anyway, if you was to ask."

"Why would I do that?"

"Curiousity, maybe. I'm guessing you never had a good piece of man ass."

"I'm no queer."

"Now don't be getting judgemental. Enjoying what's at hand ain't beiing queer. It's taking pleasure where you find it with anybody willing." Ike slipped a handside the side slit of his overalls and I could tell he was fondling and straightening out his cock. Now I admit I got me a hole that satisfied a few guys."

I swallowed, hard.

Ike winked. "Care to be asshole buddies?"

***

We worked steadily until noon. Ike drew a worn pocket watch from the bib pocket of his loose overalls and croaked, "Bean time. But first its time to reel out our limber hoses and make with the golden arches before lunch."

I followed I ke to the end of the greenhouse where he stopped at the outside wall of the potting shed. He opened his fly, fished inside, and finger-hooked a soft white penis with a pouting foreskin puckered half an inch past the hidden head.

"Yes sir," breathed Ike, "this old peter needs some draining." He exhaled a sigh as a strong, yellow stream splattered against the boards and ran down to soak into the earthen floor.

He caught me looking down at him. He winked. "Like what you're viewing, Boy?"

I looked away.

"You taking a serious interest in old Ike's pecker?"

I shook my head.

"Well you just haul out yourn and let old Ike return the compliment."

Feeling trapped and really having to go, I fumbled at my fly, turned away slightly, withdrew my penis and strained to start.

"Take your time boy. Let it all hang out. Old Ike's the first to admit that he likes looking at another man's pecker." He flicked away the last drop of urine and shook his limp penis vigorously.

I tried not to look interested.

"Yer sir, this old peepee feels so good out, I just might leave it out." He turned to give me a better view.

"What if somebody walks in?"

Ike shrugged. He looked at my strong yellow stream beating against the boards and moved a step closer. "You got a nice one,boy."

I glanccd over at him. His cock was definitely larger and beginning to stick straight out. I nodded toward his crotch. "Don't you think you should put that away?"

"I got me strictly a parlor prick," said Ike. "Barely measures six inches." He grinned. "Of course it's big enough around to make a mouthful." He ran a thumb and forefinger along its length and drawing his foreskin back enough to expose the tip of the pink head. "Yersiree." He grinned, revealing nicotine stained teeth. "I t sure feels good, letting the old boy breathe."

I knew I should button up and move away. I watched his fingers moving up and down the thickening column.

"You like checking out this old man's cock?"

I nodded. In spite of myself, my cock began to swell.

"Maybe we should have ourselves a little pecker pulling party." I ke slid his fingers back and forth on his expandingshaft and winked. "I may be old but I'm not against doing some little pud pulling with a friend."

I shook my head.

"Maybe I Ôll give my balls some air. Would you like a viewing of old Ike's hairy balls?"

I swallowed hard and moistened my dry lips.

He opened another button on his fly and pulled out his scrotum. "Good God, It feels good to set Ôem free. Now let's see yours."

"Why?"

"Just to show you're neighborly," said Ike.

"I don't think so." I buttoned up and moved into the potting shed.

Ike followed, his cock and balls protruding from the front of his overalls. "Overlook my informality." Ike grinned. "As you can see I ain't bashful."

I nodded and took my sandwich from the brown paper bag.

"Yessir," said Ike. "I just might have to have myself an old fashioned peter pulling all by my lonesome. He unhooked a shoulder strap and let his overalls drop around his ankles.

I took a bite of my sandwich but my eyes remained on Ike.

"Yessiree," said Ike, "I got a good one if I do say so myself. Gets nearly as hard as when I was eighteen. You know why?"

I shook my head.

"Cause I keep excerising him. When I was younger I was pulling on it three time a day. Still like to do him every day I can."

"Some sayyou'll go blind if you do that too much."

"Bull-loney!" Don't you believe that shit. I been puling my pud for close to fifty years and I didn't start till I was fifteen."

I laughed.

"You laughing at my little peter, boy?"

"Your hat." I pointed to the soiled, brown fedora cocked on his head. That and his overalls draped about his ankles were his only items of apparel. In between was a chest full of gray curly hair, two hairy legs. Smack between them stood an erect, pale white cock with a tip of foreskin still hiding the head.

"I am one hairy S.O.B.," said Ike.

"I laughed at you wearing nothing but a hat."

"Covers up my bald spot," said Ike. "I got more hair on my ass than I got on my head. Want to see?"

"Your head?"

"No, Boy, my hairy ass and around my tight, brown asshole." He turned, reached back with both hands and parted his ass cheeks to reveal the small, puckered opening. "There it is, Boy, the entrance lots of good feelings. Tell me, Boy, how would you like to put it up old Ike's ass?"

"I don't think so."

"That'd be the best damned piece you ever got."

"We shouldn't be talking like this."

"C'mon now, confess, don't this make your cock perk up a little bit?"

"I reckon," I confessed.

"You ever seen an old man's hard cock before," asked Ike.

"My grandpa's when I was twelve or thirteen."

"How'd that come about?"

He was out in the barn and didn't know I was around. He dropped his pants. It was real big he did things to it. He saw me and he turned around real fast but I saw it."

"What did your grandpa do?"

"He said I shouldn't be watching him doing that. He said something like grandma Ôwouldn't give him some,' that morning and that I should get out of there and leave a poor man in peace to do what he had to do."

"Did you want to join him."

"I might have if he'd asked. He didn't."

"I like showing off my cock," said Ike. "A hard-on is somethng I always been proud of. A hard-on proves a man's a man. Makes me feel like a man that can do things." He looked up at me and winked. "You getting a hard-on fromall this talk, son?"

I nodded and looked away.

"Then maybe you should pull it out and show old Ike what you got."

"We shouldn't."

"Hey. A man's not a man till he jacked off with a buddy."

I wanted to but I was as nervous as hell.

Ike grinned and fingered his pecker. "C'mon, Boy, between friends, a little cock showing is perfectly fine. Lets see what you got in the cock and balls department."

In spite of my reluctance, I felt the stirring in my crotch. I had curiositythat needed satisfying. It had been a long, long time since I had walked in on my grandfather .

"C'mon let's see it all."

I shook my head.

"You can join the party anytime, said Ike. "Just drop your pants and pump away."

I had the urge. There was a tingling in my crotch. My cock was definitely willing and I had a terrible need to ajust myself down there. But my timidity and the strangeness of it all held me back.

Hope you don't mind if I play out this hand." I ke grinned. "It feels like I got a winner."

I stared at his gnarled hand sliding up and down that pale, white column and I could not look away. I wet my lips and shook my head.

Old Ike's about to spout a geyser." Ike breathed harder as he winked. "Now if I just had a long finger up my ass. You interested, boy?"

I shook my head.

The first, translucent, white glob crested the top of his cock and and arced to the dirt floor. Ike held his cock at the base with thumb and forefinger and tightened noticably with each throb of ejaculation until he was finished.

I could not believe any man could do what he had done in front of another human being.

Ike sighed with pleasure and licked his fingers. "A man ain't a man till he's tasted his own juices."

He squatted, turned on the faucet and picked up the connected hose. He directed the water between his legs and on to his still dripping prick and milked the few remaing drops of white, sticky stuff into the puddle foming at his feet. "Cool water sure feels good on a cock that just shot its wad," said Ike.

***

"Cock-tale telling time," said Old Ike. It was the next day and he rubbed the front of his dirty,worn overalls where his bulge made the fly expand as his fingers smoothed the denim around the outline of his expanding cock.

I wasn't sure what he had in mind but I knew it wasn't something my straight-laced Grandma would approve of.

"Don't you like taking your cock out and jacking it?" Ike licked his lips.

I shook my head in denial.

"Sure you do. A young man in his prime has got to be pulling his pud."

I stared at his caloused hand moving over the growing bulge at his crotch.

"Like I said," continued Ike, "I got me barely six inches when he's standing up." He winked at me. "How much you got, son?"

"Almost seven inches. . ." I stuttered. "Last time I measured."

"And I'm betting it feels real good with your fist wrapped around it."

"I don't do. . ."

"Everybody does it." He scratched his balls and said,"I'll show you mine if you show me yours." Then, looking me in the eye, he lifted his leg like a dog at a tree and let out a long, noisy fart.

Denying that I jacked off, I said, "I saw yours yesterday."

"A man has got to take out his pecker every once in a while." He winked and his fingers played with a button on his fly. Care to join me today?"

"I don't think so."

"What's the matter, boy? You ashamed of what's hanging Ôtween your skinny legs?"

"It's not for showing off."

"That would be so with a crowd of strangers but with a friend, in a friendly showdown, where's the harm?

"It shouldn't be shown to other people. My Grandma said that a long time ago when I went to the bathroom against a tree whan I was seven.

"There's nothing like a joint pulling among friends to seal a friendship," said Ike.

I don't think so." I felt very much, ill at ease.

"Then what the fuck is it for," demanded the old man. "A good man shares his cock with his friends. How old are you boy?"

"Nineteen almost twenty."

You ever fucked a woman?"

"No."

"Ever fucked a man?"

"Of course not.

"Son, you ain't never lived till you've fired your load up a man's tight ass. "I didn't know men did that to each other."

"Men shove it up men's asses men all the time. They just don't talk about it like they do pussy."

"You've done that?"

"I admit this old pecker's been up a few manholes. More than a fewhard cocks have shagged this old ass over the years." He shook his head, wistfully, "I still have a hankering for a hard one up the old dirt chute."

"I think that would hurt."

"First time, it usually does," agreed I ke. He took a bite from his sandwich.

I looked at my watch. Ten minutes of our lunch hour had already passed.

"We got time for a quickie," said Ike. "There's no one around to say, stop, if were enjoying ourselves."

He unhooked the slide off the button of one shoulder-strap, pushed the bib of his overalls down to let them fall to his feet.

"Showtime," said Ike. Between his legs, white and hairy, his semi-hard cock emerged from a tangled mass of brown and graypubic hair. The foreskin, still puckered beyond the head of the cock, extended downward forty-five degrees from the horizontal but was definitely on the rise.

I could only stare at the man. Until the day before, I had never seen an older man with an erection besides my grandpa.

Ike moved his fingers along the stalk of his manhood until the head partially emerged, purplish and broad. He removed his hand for a moment and it bobbled obscenely in the subdued light of the potting shed. Ike leaned back against a bin of clay pots like a model on display. "Like I said, boy, it gets the job done."

I found it difficult not to watch. "You shouldn't. . ."

"C'mon, boy. Show Ike your peckeer. I'm betting it's nice and hard."

I grasped my belt and tugged on the open end. I slipped the waistband button and two more before pushing down my blue jeans and shorts down in one move. My cock bounced and slapped my belly as I straightened."

"That's a beaut." Ike stroked his pale, white cock with the purplish-pink head shining. "I'm betting it'll grow some more if you stroke it."

"We really shouldn't. . ."

"Now don't tell me you never stroked your hard peter with a buddy."

"I've done that," I finally admitted,. "But he was the same age as me and it was a long time ago." I though back to the last time Chuck and me jerked each other off in the loft of our old barn. Chuck wanted more as a going away present and we had sucked each other's dicks a little bit.

"Jackin's always better when you do it with somebody," said Ike. "Then you can lend each other a helping hand."

"I don't know about that," I said.

Ike's hand continued moving on his old cock as he leaned over to inspect mine. "God Damn! Boy. That cock looks good enough to eat." Ike licked his lips. "You ever had that baby sucked?"

I shook my head as I watched the old man stroke his hard, pale cock.

"Well boy, I'd sayyou're packing a real mouthful for some lucky gal or guy." He grinned. "Well c'mon. Let's see you get down to some serious jacking. Old Ike's way ahead of you."

I wrapped my fist around my stiff cock and moved the foreskin up and over the head on the up stroke. On the down stroke the expanded corona of the angry, purple head stared obscenely at the naked old man.

Ike toyed with his modest six inches. "What do you think of this old man's cock?" His fist rode down to his balls and a cockhead smaller than the barrel stared back at mine.

"I guess I'm thinking this is like doing it with my grandpa."

"You ever wish you could a done this with your grandpa?"

"I thought about it a lot."

"Ever see him with a hard-on."

"I told you about that!"

"Ever think about him doing your grandma?"

"I can't imagine her ever doing anything with a man.

"Take my word for it, sonny, we know she did it or you wouldn't be here." Begrudgingly I nodded in agreement.

"Everybody fucks," said old Ike. "They fuck or they jack off."

"If you say so."

"Say sonny, your cocks getting real juicy with slickum. Want old I ke to lick some of it away?"

"You wouldn't."

Ike licked his lips as he kept his hand pistoning up and down his hard cock. "You might be surprised what old Ike might do if he was in the mood for a taste of what comes out of a hard cock."

And that is what he proceded to do. He sucked me dry.

Then he erupted in half-a-dozen spurts shooting out and onto the dirt floor of the potting shed. He gave his cock a flip and shucked t back into his overalls. He unwrapped a sandwich from its wax paper and procede to eat without washing his hands. He took a bite and chewed. "Nothing like it boy, a good jacking clears the cobwebs from your crotch and gives a man an appetite."

***

The following day, We skipped the peliminaries. We dropped our pants. Ike got down on his knees and sucked me until I was hard and good and wet before he stood and turned.

"C'mon boy, Shove that pretty cock up old Ike's tight, brown hole and massage old Ike's prostate.

Ike bent forward and gripped the edge of the potting bench. The lean, white cheeked buttocks parted slightly and exposed the dark brown, crinkly, puckered star of his asshole "Now you go slow and ease it along until you've got it all the way in," he cautioned. "This old ass craves your young cock but it don't want too much too soon. You've got to let this old hole stretch to accomodate you."

"Are you sure you want to do this?"

"Easy boy, easy," he cautioned. "You feel a lot bigger than you look. Put a little more spit in your cock."

"It's awfully tight. I don't know if it's going to go or not."

""It'll go," said Ike. "There's been bigger boys than you up the old shit chute."

I slipped in the the last few inches.. "It's all in."

"I can tell," said Ike. "Your cock hairs are tickling my ass."

"Are you ready," I asked.

"How are you liking old Ike's hairy asshole so far?"

"It's real tight."

"Tighter than your fist?"

"Might be."

"Ready to throw a fuck into a man that reminds you of your grandpa."

"I reckon."

"I want you should do old Ike one more favor."

"What?"

While you're pumpin my ass, would you reach around and play with my dick like you would your own? Would you do that for an old man?"

I reached around and took hold of his hard cock sticking out straight in front of him. I pilled the skin back amd then pulled it up and over the expaded glans. I felt my own cock expand inside him as I manipulated his staff in my fingers. I imagined that my cock extended through him and I was playing with what came out the other side of him.

"C'mon, boy, ram that big cock up the old shitter and make me know it. God Damn! tickle that old prostate and make old Ike come!"

I came. And I came. Ike's tightened up on my cock and I throbbed Roman Candle bursts into that brown hole as I pressed into him. His hairy, scrawny ass flattened against my crotch and we were joined as tightly as two humans can be.

"A man's not a man till he's cum in another man." said old Ike. "You made it, boy. But still, a man's not a man till he's had a hard cock poked up his ass at least once."

Every time I think of that scene, I get another hard-on. Then I remember the next day when old Ike returned the favor.

I never have managed to come that hard again. If only Ike were here.

Re:Google for usenet? (2, Informative)

marcop (205587) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933225)

Have you tried newzbin [newzbin.com] or audiofind [audiofind.com] ?

Re:Google for usenet? (2, Informative)

stupidfoo (836212) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933268)

binsearch.info [binsearch.info] kicks ass and is free, unlike newzbin

Re:Google for usenet? (1)

BarryNorton (778694) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933351)

From http://docs.newzbin.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#H ow_do_I_download_from_Newzbin.3F [newzbin.com] :
you cannot download from Newzbin with a few exceptions. The only available files for download are NFO files and NZB (Message-ID) files, which allow you to set up a queue in your Usenet client to download files automatically. The reason why we do not provide any other downloads is: We are an information based resource and do not exist to provide you with the content of Usenet, merely the information of what is currently on it.

Re:Google for usenet? (1)

BarryNorton (778694) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933385)

Likewise, from http://binsearch.info/faq.php#c5 [binsearch.info]
Can I download files using this site?

We merely index the content found on Usenet, and do NOT offer any files to download. You need a newsreader and newsserver to download files.

Google groups (0, Redundant)

WTBF (893340) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933018)

And what is google groups exactly?

Usenet right on google, and it is searchable.

Key word: "MULTIMEDIA" (4, Informative)

schon (31600) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933093)

And what is google groups exactly?

A way to search *text*

Usenet right on google, and it is searchable.

Except that it doesn't include pictures, music, and videos. Try searching google for alt.binaries.sounds.mp3 [google.com] and see what you get.

Although I have a hard time picturing how these guys are gonna stay alive once the MPAA/RIAA finds out about them.

Re:Key word: "MULTIMEDIA" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933195)

What I don't understand is why the big newgroup hosting services haven't been forced to remove the music/vidoe/warez groups...

Re:Key word: "MULTIMEDIA" (2, Interesting)

schon (31600) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933338)

I think it's because they want to maintain common-carrier status.

If they start examining (and then restricting) what people post, then they open themselves up to lawsuits when they miss.

Besides, would it really stop anyone - people could just move the stuff to a different newsgroup.

That's great... (0)

Barondude (245739) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933021)

as long I can find porn easier. :)

Re:That's great... (1)

sheriff_p (138609) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933055)

In fact, when you unsubscribe from the service, you get asked for a reason, which gives the fairly standard (as some of you will know) options of:

* Spouse found out
* Card was used by a minor

and others :-)

+Pete

If you need porn... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933076)

Just consult HTGFP [htgfp.com] [htgfp.com] (How To Get Free Porn ebook).

Google for Usenet? (-1, Redundant)

jedrek (79264) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933025)

Isn't that Google Groups [google.com] ?

Re:Google for Usenet? (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933057)

Isn't that Google Groups?
I think google groups is just for text, whereas this new thing is just for binaries.

Does seem like they're riding coat-tails by mentioning google though.

Re:Google for Usenet? (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933072)

Google Groups don't do alt.binaries. I presume this (paid) service does, like a whole lot of other binaries Usenet providers.

SSSHHH!!! (5, Funny)

TomatoMan (93630) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933028)

ontday alktay abouthay usenethay!

Re:SSSHHH!!! (1)

LilGuy (150110) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933119)

All we need left in this crazy digital world is for the law & order to find out about it...

Re:SSSHHH!!! (1)

Otterley (29945) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933452)

What makes you think they don't already know about it?

How does this differ from other UseNet Archives? (4, Insightful)

ewanrg (446949) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933036)

At $14.95 a month I don't really see how this place is any different than Easynews or UseNext. Doesn't seem like all that new an idea, and certainly the price doesn't lead me to believe I'm any better off than these other services.

Is there something that reading the article and checking out the site didn't make obvious?

Re:How does this differ from other UseNet Archives (2, Informative)

SoCalChris (573049) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933203)

The difference, according to this article [msn.com] is that they don't allow you to search for, or download MP3s or videos over 70 minutes.

I think I'll stick to EasyNews. It's cheaper, they don't log what I download, and they have an awesome web based search taht works well with FlashGot.

Also, after reading the linked article, their CEO sounds pretty clueless. They are blocking the MP3s because the RIAA has been so agressive about enforcing copyright, but will be leaving on TV shows because "the TV guys seem to understand the Internet..." I'm giving them a month or so before they're sued into oblivion.

Re:How does this differ from other UseNet Archives (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933382)

Apparently he doesn't realize that music videos are also covered by the RIAA...

Re:How does this differ from other UseNet Archives (1, Informative)

harvardian (140312) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933468)

From the article you linked:

Beginning this month, Guba will convert video files from Usenet into the format used by the iPod, known as H.264 .. and lets users stream small versions from its Web site.


Does EasyNews do that?

Re:How does this differ from other UseNet Archives (4, Insightful)

randomErr (172078) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933397)

The ONLY differences between Guba and any other service is that it has a slightly better categorization system and a better looking design. Nothing to see here, move along.

You know... (0, Redundant)

metaomni (667105) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933039)

I thought that Google Groups [google.com] was... you know... USENET groups on, well, Google.

won't last (1)

j1mmy (43634) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933041)

looks like much of the "content" they index is pirated material.

it also costs money to use their service.

Re:won't last (4, Informative)

DigitalRaptor (815681) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933112)

Yeah, because Easynews and the hundreds of companies like them were shut down so fast for the exact same thing.

Oh, wait. They weren't.

Re:won't last (5, Informative)

Carraway (794372) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933191)

Yeah, because Easynews and the hundreds of companies like them were shut down so fast for the exact same thing.

The difference here is GUBA is shouting from the rooftops that they're hosting copyrighted files. Easynews, Giganews, etc., all kept it relatively obscure, just saying "we index all of Usenet" which was understood by smart users and generally ignored by everyone else. Now all of the basic users who are just now figuring out how Bitorrent works are going to say, "Wha? I can get music and movies on Usenet?" and, frankly, where the basic users go, so goes the RIAA.

Re:won't last (4, Interesting)

DigitalRaptor (815681) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933278)

The real difference is that P2P has a source, a bottleneck. You can shut down one group or one server and the problem goes away.

Usenet is almost as distributed as email, and just as old.

Shutting Usenet down will be like trying to catch a fart in the wind. You may get some of it, but you'll never get all of it, and it won't be easy.

Re:won't last (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933327)

Can't say I've put much effort into catching farts; although, I've been quite successful at letting them go.

Re:won't last (1)

DigitalRaptor (815681) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933403)

Let me assure you the analogy was entirely hypothetical... :}

Advert? (5, Informative)

Tim C (15259) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933046)

GUBA is a pay-for service, yet for some reason the summary neglects to mention this. Call me cynical, but when something as fundamental as that is missed out, I start thinking "advert".

Re:Advert? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933161)

He points out that the company has tens of thousands of customers who pay $15 a month for their service, and have helped the company grow organically and become solidly profitable.

Re:Advert? (1)

crow (16139) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933166)

Yes, there are a number of stories here where the referenced site would likely have been willing to pay for the story. However, if you look at the pages for actually advertising on /., there is no reference to buying an article.

My guess is that this is another case where the editor thought it was interesting, so he posted it. Sure, this site is based on user-pays model, but it's not really different from a advertiser-pays site getting plugged when the editor thinks it's interesting.

Re:Advert? (0)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933193)

He isn't saying they bought the article. He is saying it looks like they submitted the article.

Slashdot : News for nerds. Stuff that pays. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933395)

Yes, there are a number of stories here where the referenced site would likely have been willing to pay for the story. However, if you look at the pages for actually advertising on /., there is no reference to buying an article.

Well, there wasn't a reference to buying an article on Fark either, and they were selling posts right and left (they still are, but now they admit to it).

I would be surprised if this WASN'T an ad - there are better ways to get usenet multimedia and I'm sure Taco knows about 'em.

Re:Advert? (0)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933316)

And you thought writing software to index headers, keeping that data in a database, maintaining the hardware and software, and running the servers in a datacenter would all trickle down to the consumer at no cost? Maybe your level of cynicism should get a nudge up.

Before everyone says "it exists already" (0, Redundant)

Pfhreakaz0id (82141) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933050)

It looks like this is for all the binary content on Usenet (pics, music, pics, programs, wavs, ummm, pictures, and of course, pr0n, pr0n, warez, pr0n, pr0n, warez .....

Smart. Real Smart. (2, Informative)

rudy_wayne (414635) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933107)

Let's start a business that publicizes the terrabytes of warez on Usenet. Yeah, that's a real smart move.

Re:Before everyone says "it exists already" (1)

Luscious868 (679143) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933141)

It looks like this is for all the binary content on Usenet (pics, music, pics, programs, wavs, ummm, pictures, and of course, pr0n, pr0n, warez, pr0n, pr0n, warez .....

Why in the world would you ever use a service like this? You know they are probably doing some kind of logging. I'd rather use a usenet service that doesn't. There are many available.

Usenet is like Fight Club... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933073)

...in that it doesn't exist. Now go away!

(obligatory) MAD TV Fight Club scene (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933324)

[all these sweaty, placid, and chubby geek men are gathered to hear that Brad Pit look-alike]

"The number-one rule of the Fight Club is we do NOT talk about the Fight Club...for obvious reasons."

"I came here for a new life."
"I make and sell soap."
"Thanks, my life has meaning now."

[whinyning like girls and begin slapping with bent wrists]

"owe!"
"You're too tense."
"Ahh! Ahh!"

Pirated Material (1)

matth (22742) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933074)

This is interesting. As I am looking at what they seem to have indexed it seems that most of it is all material which holds some sort of Copyright. I have to wonder about the legality of this service. I realize that they are not actually holding the videos and files on their machines, but it still makes you wonder how long they will be around.

Re:Pirated Material (0)

BobTheLawyer (692026) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933180)

Indeed. I suppose the various multimedia usenet newsgroups could be used for all sorts of purposes, but in practice almost everything posted seems to be copyrighted.

I've always wondered why the RIAA doesn't go after this. I appreciate the structure of usenet means that the newsgroups can't be shut down, but surely they could sue ISPs and posters based in the US. Is there some technical or legal reason, or is usenet just too far away from the mainstream?

Re:Pirated Material (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933233)

"I realize that they are not actually holding the videos and files on their machines"
 
Actually, they are/i holding them on their machines. They get by with it for the same reason that your ISP gets by with having a router that has a bit of memory to hold a packet queue even though packets in that cue might contain bits of copyrighted works that their customer is downloading. It is also the same reason that Slashdot couldn't get sued (provided they removed it if notified) for a user posting a comment full of copyrighted material.

Re:Pirated Material (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933375)

They might be headed for trouble with "pirated" binaries, which Google avoids by not carrying binary groups. As well, when I post my own material to binary groups, I'd be cheesed to know that they're turning around and selling my stuff as their content. I hope that they're going to honour x-no-archive flags.

All I need.. (4, Informative)

LilGuy (150110) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933082)

is NewZbin.

God bless the creators.

Re:All I need.. (1)

GoodOmens (904827) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933125)

newzbin rocks!

Re:All I need.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933228)

God bless the creators.

NewZbin was created by Intelligent Design? Be careful, the /. crowd hates that.

Re:All I need.. (1)

LilGuy (150110) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933275)

You're saying you don't believe that the creator was an intelligent designer? True, there were probably more than one, but still, I'd say they were rather intelligent.

Re:All I need.. (1)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933367)

Newzbin doesnt archive everything posted on usenet, so you might be missing out on a lot of stuff. The only way to achieve a full archive would be through some sort of an automated process, as opposed to human editors newzbin relies on.

Re:All I need.. (1)

LilGuy (150110) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933407)

You're right, the system is far from perfect. But it certainly works well for what is needed.

Outfuckingstanding (3, Insightful)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933084)

So much for flying under the [RI|MP]AA's radar. I just can't wait until they start issuing subpenas and crapflooding the MP3 and multimedia groups.

Re:Outfuckingstanding (1)

idontgno (624372) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933136)

So much for flying under the [RI|MP]AA's radar.

Sheesh. I guess I was reading too fast, but for a while I was wondering "WTF's RIMPAA?"

Anyway, back on-topic. Yeah, it's sorta amazin' isn't it. They're archiving and cataloging usenet groups which are self-identified as "gigabytes of copyright violations", and they're trying to make teh big moneez at it. Yup, thanks for screwin' up another network motherlode by stripmining it, ya putzes.

Re:Outfuckingstanding (1)

fafaforza (248976) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933463)

Many, many services are already doing this, and the content holders are already well aware of Usenet. Just try posting a text message in a movie group from your DSL or cable line. You'll get a nice letter in a few short weeks warning you that one more such stunt and you're at the mercy of the content holders.

Re:Outfuckingstanding (1)

thisislee (908426) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933479)

I still doubt the average computer user can handle usenet. It's easy, but nowhere near as easy as napster or bt. As long as it's not overly widespread, they probably won't bother much.

Wow... more advertising on /. (4, Informative)

Daytona955i (448665) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933095)

If you have an internet connection, you probably also already have access to newsgroups. Buy NewsRover and search 'till your heart's content. (And you don't need to pay $14.95/month to do it)

Since others will probably mention google groups, I'll just mention that google groups doesn't search for binaries whereas this is geared towards a binaries search. If this service was free I would probably use it. But it's not so I'll continue to use my new reader.

BugMeNot on GUBA (1, Informative)

JesseL (107722) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933096)

I have never seen a site with so many bad usernames from bugmenot. They must be automatically removing them.

Re:BugMeNot on GUBA (1)

radish (98371) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933157)

That might be something to do with it being a subscription service, whereas BugMeNot is for avoiding registration on free sites.

Worst. Advert. Ever. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933099)

GUBA is a commercial porn site that masquerades as a Usenet archive. It's been around for years, and certainly isn't as comprehensive as Google Groups. The linked "report" is just a blog post.

Any particular reason why this got posted? Did the editor get free membership in return?

gung'f svar, ohg... (1, Funny)

187807 (883881) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933100)

qbrf vg unaqyr ebg13?

Not good for porn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933101)

For anyone who's wondering this really isn't that good for porn. It's too slow and awkward, and getting it to display anything in series is next to impossible.

www.giganews.com and Binary News Reaper are your friends!

*carefully checks 'Post Anonymously'*

Been around for a while (5, Interesting)

P3NIS_CLEAVER (860022) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933113)

Is this news? This site has been around for a long time. Why now on /.?

Sure its pay.. (1)

cowmix (10566) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933131)

However.. a cool feature they have is how they transcode all video clips into Flash format.

Easynews Global Search (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933133)

http://members.easynews.com/global4/ [easynews.com] for the win.

Mod parent down: "Not Newsworthy" (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933162)

It's just one of many commercial USENET-binary services.

Yawn.

Mod main story down: Not newsworthy

Ssssssh!! (0, Flamebait)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933167)

They're watching.

Cripes, Taco. I can understand wanting to tell the world about this, but did you have to put P2P and multimedia in the summary?

What were you thinking?

Not Worthwhile (2, Insightful)

staticdaze (597246) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933170)

I can't see any worthwhile features offered by this service for the $15 per month that you would pay. All of the major usenet providers (Giganews, Easynews, and Newzbin are just a few that I have experience with) offer similar search services. Not only do they include images and video (which, so far, is all this GUMA service would provide), but also every binary posted to Usenet. Why would you pay an extra $15? For the video conversion features? (which is actually kind of neat, but I'm sure most people can simply download and play any videos they find if they want to see them).

The other problem is that the article does not mention who actually provides the content. Will GUMA be hosting their own NNTP servers? What kind of retention will it have, and can it compete with the 55+ days offered by the big providers?

Maybe, just maybe, some potential customers would be those who just heard of this "Usenet" and want a famailiar interface to it all. But sooner or later, they should realize that they can get so much more for little to nothing in extra costs per month.

great if you want 100 groups to choose from (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933172)


most of the groups seem to be missing, if i wanted to pay it would be a better choice to go with a proper usenet provider that indexes ALL the groups (giganews etc etc) and does not remove groups that it does not agree with the politics of, GUBA seems to provide only a very tiny censored subset of Usenet, which isnt really the idea

goolge groups? (0, Redundant)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933179)

i thouhg google groups was google for usenet.

Hmmm DejaGrokster DejaKazaa (1)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933213)

Hasn't the idea of promoting a service based on access to a lot of copyright protected material placed on the internet illegally been bashed and trashed soundly in the courts [theregister.co.uk] ? I just don't see how a service like GUBA which charges for access can avoid being sued out of existence by *AA. They really cannot claim not to know that much of the material is protected by copyright. Of course, Google can't claim that either, but Google doesn't charge a fee for access and doesn't promote said material as a reason to use their services.

Re:Hmmm DejaGrokster DejaKazaa (1)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933284)

Google also does not give access to binary groups.

warez search (1, Insightful)

mikkom (714956) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933221)

What a nice concept, provide a high quality warez search for fixed monthly fee.

Doesn't anyone else see any legal problems with their business plan?

Read Only?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933224)

I've seen a number of comments on Slashdot over the years reminiscing about the good old days of USENET. What an awesome collaboration tool! I can honestly say that I never would have advanced in my career if it hadn't been for the content and availability of members of USENET. And it was fun!

That said, it's dying a slow death, soon to be almost completely relegated to read-only status. Google Groups is trying an "embrace an extend" of the old USENET hierarchy with a newer one, but somehow it just doesn't do it for me. Maybe it's the web interface ("AJAX" notwithstanding), maybe it's the centralized architecture, maybe it's the SPAM/unauthenticated/unrated nature of the NNTP protocol, maybe it's the inability to search archives from within USENET, maybe it's a combination of all of them.

Regardless, there is one thing for certain, we need a USENET 2.0 way, way, way more than a Web 2.0.

Free news servers (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933237)

Here: http://www.disenter.com/ [disenter.com]

Idiots (1)

mbourgon (186257) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933240)

So, best case scenario - the studios buy an account, find all their stuff posted, let these guys know _and_ find the poster. Which will result in fewer things being posted, causing nobody to want the service... except the studios.

Why not just try and sell the company to them in the first place and save the wasted time?

Re:Idiots (1)

webmosher (322834) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933425)

Actually, several adult sites did just that, and specifically pursued lawsuits on anyone that posted their content on Usenet. I believe they still monitor common Usenet groups very closely.

For the most part though, Usenet is not very easy for a typical home-user to use. While some Usenet apps are getting better at filtering and organizing the posting information, users still aren't happy about having to browse through 40,000 groups to find their favorite "stuff". BT, eDonkey, etc all offer search capabilities which makes finding content very easy. Usenet is also very transient in nature. As posts expire, content lapses out of scope and is no longer available until its reposted. Most ISP level Usenet access these days is lucky to have more than a week of retention on binary groups, so the transient nature of the data is further amplified. If you want higher retention, you'll probably end up paying for a dedicated Usenet provider.

In general, I think Usenet stays under the radar because its just too hard for the average Joe to utilize.

WTF?! Easynews has 100TB and a better search (5, Insightful)

mrgodzilla (730416) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933243)

What's up with this ad for GUBA??

Easynews kicks the crap out of GUBA and is cheaper. We have
a better global search, carry over 100TB, bigger/faster gigE
pipes, even unrar and thumbnail your svcd's!!

So I ask, what's up with this ad?

-- godzilla

Better than Google Groups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933260)

Turn safemode off, search for 'boobs'. Can Google Groups do that, eh?

Newzbin has been about for a while... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13933280)

This reaks to me of spam. Newzbin have provided a free binaries group search for years now, and provide NZB files too.

The only thing GUBA seems to add is a prettier interface. I don't think a prettier interface is required, myself.

For the n00bs. (0)

elgee (308600) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933291)

Usenet is a treasure trove of pictures of naked ladies (or men if that is your taste) and all sorts of porn.

And there goes Usenet... (5, Funny)

Necromancyr (602950) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933295)

Slashdot, is it your JOB to ruin EVERYTHING? Bittorrent, now this.

I hate you guys. Just shut your dirty mouths.

GUBA is "News"?! (2, Informative)

webmosher (322834) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933306)

GUBA has been around for a long time by internet standards (1998 according to the WHOIS record). It has also been a pay site for as long as I can remember. I think they popped up about the time independent providers charging for Usenet hosting also appeared.

Did they change their interface? Is it faster? Why is this new?

There are other sites for finding recent Usenet binary postings. However, they all link to some level of intrinsically non-public binary information (just like GUBA, or BT for that matter). One would be better off looking for them on their own, rather than resourcing Slashdot for that information.

So? (1)

phpm0nkey (768038) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933311)

One more company trying to charge you for downloading pirated content. How is this newsworthy? Google excludes binaries from Groups because most binaries are porn and warez. They're clearly capable of the video indexing as well. This is just old technology put to illicit use.

I like google too, because Bush = Failure (0, Offtopic)

ViperG (673659) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933318)

Go ahead I dare you. Type in " failure " (without qoutes)in google search and click im feeling lucky!

An automated system to find porn. (1)

doublem (118724) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933345)

Really, do we really need yet ANOTHER system for searching for porn and warez?

[Offtopic] Google Base accessible at (1)

managedcode (863136) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933353)

base.l.google.com

This isn't news, its an advertisement (1)

1_brown_mouse (160511) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933356)

Search for all the porn you want, only $14.95!!

Thats not like google. They do it for free on google images.

Any good news reader connected to your news server can do the same thing GUBA does.

Isn't that already covered? (1)

filesiteguy (695431) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933369)

Hmmm...

http://www.newzbin.com/ [newzbin.com] seems to have all this covered and for free.

I'm writing a tool which will hopefully interface with newzbin - www.donutmonster.com - and run on several OSs.

Who does actually host the alt.binary.* groups? (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933372)

From all the providers I had in the years nobody of them ever had the alt.binary.* groups available. So which provider actually do have them available and how are they surviving in todays times where sharing a little bit of music can get you jail time?

All googled out (2, Funny)

steve-qc (691442) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933378)

Slashdot keeps finding ever more creative ways to get the words Google on its front page. This story really has nothing to do with Google yet they managed to google it up.

Really makes me wonder just how much Google stock did they buy anyway?? :) ....

Google

Usenet is the anti-bittorrent (1)

Julian Morrison (5575) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933431)

BT is efficient. Data starts in one place, then spreads to interested parties, who share the burden of distribution.

Usenet is wildly inefficient. Data is expanded into an messy ascii encoding, handed to and fro by copying-in-full between thousands of completely uninterested parties, to the order of gigabytes per day. Then the actual interested users download it, taking no part of the burden, quite possibly missing chunks with no way to retrieve them, copy yet again the original from the ascii encoding, log off and throw the encoded data away.

It made sense when the only comms available to the average computer was intermittent dial-and-forward.

Nowdays, especially for large binary data, it's beyond obsolete - it's silly.

Subscribe!? (1)

anonymous22 (826938) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933438)

One thing the article forgets to mention: You can search, but you can't get. You have to pay $15 per month to access.

Google for Usenet? (0, Redundant)

Suppafly (179830) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933484)

Isn't google like google for usenet?

Revocation of license to manufacture similes (1)

Otterley (29945) | more than 8 years ago | (#13933485)

Its (sic) like "Google for Usenet," says this report.

We already have a Google for Usenet. It was called DejaNews, which was bought by--you guessed it--Google [google.com] .
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