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Nokia Starts Open Source Website

samzenpus posted more than 8 years ago | from the free-phones dept.

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X-Fade writes "Nokia launched OpenSource.nokia.com today. It is the first place to look for information concerning Nokia involvement in the Open Source community. The Projects page lists all Nokia developed downloadable code including: Maemo (Development platform for Linux based handhelds), MobileNews (Mobile NNTP reader), Python for S60, Sofia-SIP (SIP User-Agent library) and more. The website also features a list of all projects Nokia contributed to."

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Ipso? (3, Insightful)

ponds (728911) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937398)

Wake me up when Nokia open-sources Ipso.

Re:Ipso? (4, Informative)

Saiyine (689367) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937453)


Nokia IPSO is an appliance-optimized, security-hardened, clusterable OS capable of supporting a wide range of Nokia and partner security applications.

More info here [nokia.com] .

Ipso Faxso (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13937694)

Has it?

Wow.

I can remember the days when PDAs first came out and Linux couldn't get a look in.

Now so can you.

Or not, as the case may be.

Re:Ipso Faxso (2, Interesting)

ponds (728911) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937708)

Ipso is not for PDAs. While most people know Nokia as a mobile vendor, they are also one of the largest Firewall/VPN appliance vendors. Ipso is a highly optimized i386 OS based on NetBSD.

Re:Ipso Faxso (1)

clymere (605769) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937979)

I was under the impression that it was FreeBSD.

Thus not FAT no? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13939196)

I don't remember all the fuss or what the machinery involved was as I was just considering the use of computers in those days. And am not much more than lame these days.

Something I just read on AnandTech got me thinking about the way that Linux suits the individual. With Windows, it is very much "one size fits all" and as far as that goes (which I believe is about as far it takes) it is a very nice toy; however with Linux and the other infinitely adjustable OSs, it is possible to get the perfect set of OS and drivers for optimising each individual set up.

But each individual would have to be an expert to get it there.

Some of you are geeks and some of us use Windows and if that is the way it goes it will be ever thus.

Re:Ipso? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13937715)

Why would you want the source to such a useless pile of crap?

Re:Ipso? (1)

ponds (728911) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937756)

Come on, it would be nice to have a security-focued open-source operating system.... ...that isn't associated with Theo De Raadt.

Re:Ipso? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13938728)

No, trust me, it is a useless pile of crap.

-not the same AC as before

Re:Ipso? (4, Informative)

convolvatron (176505) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937777)

i was one of the engineers on ipso. its not completely useless,
its lovely to do network level code in, and it was about 2x faster
than the freebsd it was based on (1.2) in forwarding speed. it
had decent custom routing protocol implementations.

but there really isn't any need for a seperate implementation
any longer. really. all you would be doing is losing out on
drivers. i think its lived just as a marketing token, a random
differentiator. and nokia can vaugely feel they got something
from buying ipsilon. i always hear about internal struggles to
replace it with linux, and remain thoroughly suprised it hasn't
happened yet.

Re:Ipso? (2, Interesting)

MarkKnopfler (472229) | more than 8 years ago | (#13938093)

I worked with networking code in IPSO for some time on the P022 machines and found it a rather nice thing to work with. It is sturdy and does its job well. If there are internal struggles to actually replace it with a newer OS I do not understand why there is no opinion to move it to a NetBSD or FreeBSD and why linux ? Any definite advantages ?

Re:Ipso? (1)

convolvatron (176505) | more than 8 years ago | (#13938167)

i think its mostly cultural. the bsds would do the job
equally as well (i used to be strongly biased in favor
of bsd, but free at least has made a mess in the networking
code with the addition of locks, nat, filters, firewalls,
and all the other miscellany).

i'm glad you liked ipso. peter grehan and bobby minnear
were two of the people who just sat down and did a solid
job. i've heard less than favorable things about its more
recent maintenance history.

Re:Ipso? (1)

octaene (171858) | more than 8 years ago | (#13938144)

Wake me up when Nokia open-sources Ipso.

My thoughts exactly! I see some posters here are pooh-poohing the IPSO platform. I personally have built about 300 Nokia IPSO firewalls that were routers, VPN endpoints, or Check Point FireWall-1 appliances and I loved working on them. They are a great system. That'd be cool if I could grab an open source version for my own. Maybe I could install that joker on my LinkSys router...

Re:Ipso? (1)

l0b0 (803611) | more than 8 years ago | (#13939179)

Wake me up when they open-source that piece of turd syncing software, PC Suite [nokia-asia.com] . Or does the newer versions actually give me the opportunity to select, for each conflicting entry, which one is the newest? That, and a bit of stability and the ability to set proper defaults based on the phone model would get me right back on.

Other bits (0)

Saiyine (689367) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937417)

The web has a nice design, and a intereting bit at the bottom-right, the announcemente of an OSS browser. Another Gecko-based?

RTFL (1)

Saiyine (689367) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937430)

Sorry to correct myself, but it's KHTML based.

Based on KHTML and KJS from KDE's Konqueror open source project

Re:Other bits (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13937440)

Another Gecko-based?

Believe it or not, if you click on the OSS browser announcement, there's a page telling you all about it. Whatever will they think of next?

(And here's the link [nokia.com] )

Re:Other bits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13937525)

Nope - I do believe it is WebCore based... (Safari and KHTML).

woohoo! (1)

54v4g3 (756080) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937433)

from the site:

MobileNews An application that allows you to browse and read your favorite NNTP newsgroups right on your mobile phone.

woohoo! pr0n for your cellphone, straight off usenet!

If you have a massive amount of people wanting these phones at your workplace, you can stop trying to figure out why about now. ;-)

Cool, but odd that they didn't use GForge (0, Offtopic)

tcopeland (32225) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937436)

Seems perfect for Nokia, especially since newer versions of GForge [gforge.org] have a SOAP API; they could have shown some examples of a Nokia phone accessing GForge via a little proxy or some such.

And GForge certainly could handle the load; check out the numbers on some of the bigger installations on the list of public GForge sites [gforge.org] .

15 seconds of anonymous cowardly fame (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13937458)

17.46th post

GroupThink Alert! (3, Funny)

42Penguins (861511) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937460)

The OSS browser supports DRM, oh noes!

What category does Nokia go in now that they have a open source site?
Are they formerly evil turned good, like IBM? (wait...do we like ibm this week?)
Or are they the antichrist, posing as good?

Most. Confusing. Finns. Ever.

Re:GroupThink Alert! (1)

Hosiah (849792) | more than 8 years ago | (#13939606)

Or are they the antichrist, posing as good?

In RPG terms, their alignment would be "chaotic".

source (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13937479)

I am teh hax0r getting teh source... doh, no need to hack :

looks promising (4, Insightful)

idlake (850372) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937506)

Maemo looks great, both technically and the way they are going about setting it up. I particularly like the fact that they have built their environment on top of X11, which means that it will be much easier to port custom software to it than with Qt/Embedded devices.

Python for the S60 is nice, too, of course.

Altogether, I'm wondering whether Nokia is planning on moving their entire phone line over to Linux at some point.

Re:looks promising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13939690)

AFAIK, they're planning on using Symbian on high and mid range phones, and Linux on low-end ones.

experimental troll (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13937537)

YOU FUCKING PENISBREATHS ALL LICK BALLS AND HAVE 25 NANOMETER-LONG DICKS!weeeeeeeee

let's see how far below zero a slashdot post's rating can get. seriously. i'll be watching as the number drops from 0 to -1 to -2 to -10 and so on. btw, i don't really mean what i said in the first sentence. oh wait nvm i can't say that cuz this is supposed to be badass.

Not everything (2, Informative)

JuniorJack (737202) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937553)

I am still waiting to see the FPS-10 service box sources, that is entirely based on Linux kernel. For people that have no idea, this box is sold by Nokia to their authorized service centers and is used to repair/tune/check faults in
all Nokia mobile handsets.

Re:Not everything (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13939480)

You have no idea what is FPS-10 and what it does. Well, it's a box and it's used in service centers; everything else you wrote is inaccurate.

For downloading anything.. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13937574)

..registration is required. Luckily bugmenot has some valid accounts, for example: harryman84/blahblah, kutzooi23/nokianokianokia, bugmenot2/passworded

Where are the hacks? (4, Insightful)

MLopat (848735) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937607)

Oh yeah I'm really excited. I can look at all the cool toys I can't load onto my phone because my local provider has locked them out. Hope they make the site actually useful for us and maybe post a link or two about how to get a cable for a particular Nokia handset and the cracks to circumvent the locking mechanisms installed by the retailers.

Re:Where are the hacks? (3, Informative)

puto (533470) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937932)

howardforum.com anything and everything you need to know. Sorted by carrier and phone. You can ask and receive any answer you need there.

And as for unlocking phones. Well go for it, all my have the hidden features enabled, and I work for the largest cell carrier in the US. Did I get the answers from work, nope. Got them from the web.

Here is the issue. The features are generally locked because they are untested, are have no bearing on what service your provider is selling you. Also if you flash firmware, or in general screw some of the software up, and the phone goes tits up, you will not be under warranty anymore.

I spend a fair amount of my time explaining to customers if they flash something to the phone motorola, or nokia did not write, and their phone is no longer working. IT is not a warranty issue, because it is out of spec for the device.

I doube Nokia would post a crack, because when a phone is warrantied through a carrier, it is then warrantied generally back to the manufacturer. So nokia would be shooting itself in the foot.

Cables you can find anywhere on the net, hell best buy in the us sells a kit with cables and software that lets you get into about 99.9% of all phones on the market.

Just do it at your own risk.

Puto

Re:Where are the hacks? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13940121)

I think that part of the problem here is that untest bits and bobs aren't enabled since there is no assurance that the phone won't malfunction and impact the quality of the service for other network users.

For example, the radio in the phone, for transmitting and recieveing data on the air will usually have calibration tables to ensure that the output is within certain tolerances. If you screw up these tables, you can easilly cause the radio to produce spurious emmissions during transmit which would impact other people using that cell in your proximity.

This is just one example, but there are numerious undesirable consequences of corrupted phones.

Re:Where are the hacks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13940142)

Damn I feel lucky that here in Finland it is forbidden by law for service providers to bundle phones with their services. Whenever I buy a phone, I can know that it is exactly as feature-rich as one I could buy from anywhere else. I can't imagine how you americans cope with shit like that.

Re:Where are the hacks? (1)

GreekPimpSlap (925925) | more than 8 years ago | (#13940464)

"howardforum.com anything and everything you need to know. Sorted by carrier and phone. You can ask and receive any answer you need there."

thats a load of BS. you cant really talk about ANYHTING on the howardforums. that site is so big that a lost of companies threaten them with lawsuits if they dont control what is posted. a while back i got banned just for MENTIONING Depot (a motorola programming client). you have to find smaller forums to really get the stuff/info you want

Re:Where are the hacks? (1)

Darkman, Walkin Dude (707389) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937960)

I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but you can download the Nokia PC suite program and get yourself a blutooth dongle. I had serious problems with my Nokia until I got those two, now I can surf on GPRS from the laptop, access all facilities, install programs, whatever I like. Make sure you get the updated version [nokia.com] though.

Re:Where are the hacks? (2, Insightful)

gormanly (134067) | more than 8 years ago | (#13939910)

Absolutely brilliant, Nokia PC Suite. This is the one thing that they should product an Open Source version of - but then until recently they didn't even have a Mac equivalent.

The current version, and its 3 predecessors, are the slowest, buggiest bit of crud on any of my machines - Nokia Audio Manager crashes on both my Athlon 64 and Sempron 64 boxes unless I delete cdmgr.dll, and only recognised phones during the install phase on my K6-2 box until I bought an add-in USB card and disabled the motherboard USB controller.

Support are a nightmare too - they were haughty to the point of rudeness, and refused to discuss the issue last November unless I upgraded to Win XP SP2!

Even when it does work (which seems to be random, and varying with versions - 6.6 does not work for me at all), copying between phones and PCs is like watching treacle dry, whether using IR, Bluetooth or the £30 cable I eventually bought after the frustration of many dropped connections with the wireless options.

Despite the phone itself being very nice, I'm never buying another Nokia - they just can't be arsed to provide decent software or support...

Re:Where are the hacks? (1)

Pingla (64700) | more than 8 years ago | (#13947103)

That seems to be a problem with your local provider and not with Nokia. You are the one who can do something about that, switch.

kiss my ass (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13937657)

you fucking penisbreaths all lick balls and have 25 nanometer-long dicks!

nokia is going to loose ground. (1)

CDPatten (907182) | more than 8 years ago | (#13937886)

Nokia hasn't come up with a GOOD PDA phone for the business class. Business people are a huge and growing a market for both carriers and handset makers. The reason being is, unlike the average user, they drop $600 at the drop of a hat for the latest and greatest. They buy the toys to go with it too. And they get premium voice/data plans.

I like OSS don't get me wrong, but so far the push to put OSS platforms on phones has been pretty unimpressive. Even Nokia's brief attempt with the Linux device they came out with over the summer (or was it spring?) was pretty useless. If they don't start offering some products like rim, treo, or even windows mobile, they are going to miss a pretty big market... eventually loosing their number 1 spot in the world.

They already are declining, and I don't see this site helping their core business. It almost seems like a hail marry to get some good press, and make it look like they are pioneers. It looks to me like they are betting this part of their business on OSS developers, but the vast majority of the developers have real full time jobs, and do the work on their free time. A company this large shouldn't edge their bets on the hope people will pick up their software as their hobby.

Its a "cool" idea, but hoping the oss community helps their lackluster business platform is not the best strategy for their shareholders. I know allot of the zealots think this is an attack on OSS, it really is not, its an attack on Nokia. We all know the rate of most OSS is slow, and nokia is competing against some pretty big guns with a good head start, and lots of resources dumped into make their platforms better.

It would be nice to get some responses that aren't just flames or useless 1 liners. I would really rather a good debate.

Re:nokia is going to loose ground. (2, Informative)

puto (533470) | more than 8 years ago | (#13938003)

As always, I fly a desk for the largest cell carrier in the us.

Nokia does not offer a really good device with PDA like functionality. Mainly because Nokia sticks to making phones that make and take calls. And above all tend to be high quality and last for years and years.

Personal milage may vary. But I would say most Nokia customers are die hard. Nokias phone have an ease of use unlike many others, and a 1999 nokia will function like a 2005 one.

And most people want a phone to make and receive calls. That is it. Treos and PPC phones are a very small margin of our business. Blackberries a bit larger, but I would even to say people buy blackberries these days for cool factor. PDA phones are the mortarboards of the MBA.

Now throw the techie guy, the really techie guy 35 years plus, the network engineer, software gury, unix freak, he wants a simple little phone, cause he has realized that life is more than futzing around with gear when he is not at work.

From the fire lines customers want a simple phone, no bells and whistles. Camera phones, no one hardly uses but once or twice.

Motorola tried the MPX220, can we say recall and retool. We had to replace them with audiovox mobile units, never mpx is a better phone.

Treo 650, most are utter crap. You might have a good one, but I still get one escalation a day, because something just will not work.

Pocket PC phones, the Siemens Sx-66, great phone, bit large, comes unlocked out the box. Very little complaints, we actually farm them out to the really upset 650 customers in place of.

But back to your statement, Nokia has made its mark, and they will always have a large portion of the phone business, and they move slowly, but they do things right because of it.

As for OSS on phones. Well one day.

Puto

Re:nokia is going to loose ground. (1)

styrotech (136124) | more than 8 years ago | (#13938987)

Now throw the techie guy, the really techie guy 35 years plus, the network engineer, software gury, unix freak, he wants a simple little phone, cause he has realized that life is more than futzing around with gear when he is not at work.

Nearly... I'm only 34 ;)

Re:nokia is going to loose ground. (1)

clymere (605769) | more than 8 years ago | (#13938029)

What about the line of "Communicator" phones which run Symbian? They are aimed squarely at the business class, and seem to totally own the ultra-high-end phone market. The problem is these things can be so damn expensive ($900!) that your typical phone carrier doesn't bother carrying them, let alone offering nice rebates. People tend to buy them from other sources: online stores, ebay, etc.

I'm mostly deciding between one of those and a treo when my current plan is up next year

Re:nokia is going to loose ground. (5, Interesting)

adtifyj (868717) | more than 8 years ago | (#13938109)

I realise you are not critising OSS, and you raise a lot of interesting points about Nokia, but I would like to point out that when large companies announce they are jumping on the open source bandwagon, they are not hoping the OSS community helps them add zero's to the balance sheet.

They are buying kudos with two very important groups: CTOs and engineers in the industry. Of course they may also encourage external participation, and accept patches, but that is rarely the primary focus. A sub-domain listing open source sends a number of very clear statements about the company. here are a few..

  • Microsoft does not have them on a leash,
  • Interoperability is not just a buzzword on their marketing material,
  • An appreciation that open source software underpins everything in I.T. these days. 5 years ago, most CTOs didn't realise this. Now, sensible CTOs wants to know that every staff member at the vendor is aware of this fact, otherwise they will be working with fools who have "not invented here" syndrome and other related ailments.
  • The board of the company has embraced the economic advantages of open source.
  • They allow and encourage engineers to work on open source tools in order to perform their jobs. With a website like this, Nokia's HR department would be flooded with quality resumes.
  • The brain-power of the engineering department is worth showcasing.

Re:nokia is going to loose ground. (1)

Linux Ate My Dog! (224079) | more than 8 years ago | (#13938170)

Um, yeah. [nokia.co.uk]

And that is ignoring all the very successful 9x00 series communicators.

Seriously, I held the E61 today and it feels like an awesome pice of kit.

Re:nokia is going to loose ground. (1)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 8 years ago | (#13938876)

Check out their E-series phones. They basically have two major series now, N for multimedia and E for business.

Re:nokia is going to loose ground. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13939509)

"Even Nokia's brief attempt with the Linux device they came out with over the summer (or was it spring?) was pretty useless."

Nice to see here people who know what they are talking about. The device is not yet for sales; except some selected open-source developers. I'm pretty impressed that you already know it's useless. And, of course, you must know everything about "brief attempt". Go check www.maemo.org briefly.

Re:nokia is going to loose ground. (2, Insightful)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 8 years ago | (#13939666)

lose
a lot
hail mary
hedge bets

I'm a zealot but I can't see an attack in your post.

Nokia have people working hard as OSS developers, just like Red Hat et.al.

Perhaps you forget one of the OSS mantra's Release Early, Release Often

I'm not convinced about business users wanting an uber featured handset.
I have a Nokia 6600.
It connects to my IMAP account.
It connects to IM services (SMS, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, IRC etc. etc.)
I can use it as an SSH terminal via Putty.
It has a great camera and MMS services.

I'm not sure what other features you would want on a 240x320 screen. Web browsing is painful.

It is not features here that inhibit takeup, it's the cost of data calls.

In the UK the cost of data ranges from the cheapest at around $100 per month for 1Gb of data up to $3 per Mb.

Nokia's approach (1)

Bulmakau (918237) | more than 8 years ago | (#13938076)

Nokia is one of the companies that I really like. I really like their products. Most of what they did so far (that I have seen) was really good.
Indeed, they did not come out with a PDA phone (and I believe they wont), but their latest 3G phones have Symbian OS, which supports writing application for their phones. In many senses it is not far from a simple PDA phone. Design is slick and functionality really good. I personally don't see the point yet in 3G and certainly see little value in video chat over the cellular phone, but I think Nokia understands their market very good. Nokia seems to be steering (the company) in the right direction for many years now.
I for one can not see myself with a cell phone that is not Nokia.
As for their OSS project/site.. I guess its a beginning. Still a very simple and basic site. But I bet it will evolve really soon, really fast. Time will tell if my prediction is right, but to harness the OSS community to develop application to their phones seems like the smart move. Especially with a gadget/tool that we all carry so close and use it (some at least) so much.
Thumbs up to Nokia

Re:Nokia's approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13939368)

Remember, Nokia also lobbied hard for software patents in the EU. They follow up with a "gift" of patented stuff which cant be used for any practical purpose and now a *website*. Woo....hoo. They will have to try harder than that.

(I refuse to buy Nokia products now because of their patent actions)

Re:Nokia's approach (4, Insightful)

bLanark (123342) | more than 8 years ago | (#13939404)

I am now boycotting Nokia - I will never buy another Nokia phone. (In fact, I took a couple of Nokia chargers in to work today - I'll never need them again.)

My reason for this is their stance on Software Patents in the EU - they lobbied hard for them. See, for example, The Register [theregister.co.uk] or The FFII [ffii.org] . I contacted them (by email, IIRC) to tell them my position, but never heard anything back.

For them to launch an open-source website is simply an attempt to gain some PR, or, put another way, some community "kudos". And, for goodness' sake, starting a web site does not require a huge investment. This is a PR exercise, through-and-through.

What Google [yahoo.com] did, for example, will probably help a lot more.

Re:Nokia's approach (2, Insightful)

elfguygmail.com (910009) | more than 8 years ago | (#13940089)

As much as I agree with you on software patents, Nokia did have a point. If the US has software patents and is using them agresively (and we know they are), if the EU bans its companies from having any, then european companies have a very real problem. Even if they come up with new ideas, they can't be patented and in the US they will be. The solution is to get rid of software patents everywhere.

Re:Nokia's approach (1)

stygianguest (828258) | more than 8 years ago | (#13940330)

I don't get what you're trying to say. Nokia can patent anything in the US even if it's not allowed in Europe. They have exactly the same possibilities as any American company. And to the grandparent: I think it's not very realistic to think of companies as homegenous entities. In any big company there are a lot of people with a lot of opinions. It is very likely that this open source website came from some other mind than the pro software patent lobbyists.

Re:Nokia's approach (3, Insightful)

Bulmakau (918237) | more than 8 years ago | (#13940166)

You boycott Nokia? But you just love google? Come on! Get real
Google doesn't have a patent on their software?? They have many (http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtm l?articleID=172901917 [informationweek.com] ). This is plain silly. And the $350K, tax exampt, self serving, PR.. Not very different from Nokia's site, only more effective with students and workd press alike.
Nothing wrong at all with software patents, as long as they are use appropriately (just like non-software patents). You don't like patents? Want to boycott companies that use them? Boycott google. Boycott Microsoft. Boycott your PC manufacturer. Boycott your food makers, electrical devices. Boycott the modern world basically.
Boycott Nokia though. It is your right, and since it is idiological one I fully support it (even if I think the reason is silly). But my suggestion is, treat all companies in the same way. Boycott all companies that use patents. Only thing is, you will be left with a very clean desktop.

Re:Nokia's approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13940946)

Nokia lobbying for EU software patents and US companies filing defensive patents because of a broken system are completely different.

Nothing wrong at all with software patents

I own the patent on that thought, cease infringement immediately!

Re:Nokia's approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13943993)

Those large US companies (or rather, their European operations) also lobbied hard for EU software patents. Microsoft in particular made a significant effort.

Re:Nokia's approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13940244)

It's not just a publicity stunt, they've shown many times that they support OSS. The thing is that they do not see supporting OSS and patents as conflicting ideas. Why would they put OSS software such as linux on their phones if they were going to lobby for its outlawing? It simply doesn't make sense.

Re:Nokia's approach (1)

clonmult (586283) | more than 8 years ago | (#13940172)

Look at the Symbian operating system. Its an evolution of EPOC - one of the original PDA operatings systems, which predates Windows CE, at least in usable devices.

In general, S60 devices (and UIQ) compete head on against Windows Mobile on pretty much all features.

Also, Nokia do the communicator range, which are a true phone/PDA hybrid. Bit of a brick, but if you want a full keyboard, wifi, 640x200+ screen, there isn't much that really comes close.

Okay, maybe I'm being pedantic, but Nokia *do* make PDA phones. They've been making them for years. In fact, they were (probably) the first company to actually do such a product (the 7650).

Are you sure? (2, Funny)

labratuk (204918) | more than 8 years ago | (#13938103)

Nokia Starts Open Source Website

Wow! A website? These people are serious.

Re:Are you sure? (1)

iamlucky13 (795185) | more than 8 years ago | (#13938928)

True that. Motorola and Samsung also have developers website...not that you can find much in the way of useful resources on them. Some of the carriers are a little better. Nextel seems to be the best so far about releasing API's, but their phones are definitely more oriented towards business customers (plus the 3 day max battery life is a bit of a drag). Sprint has a nice looking developer's site, but doesn't release API's. If anything, they've tightened up since the merge with Nextel. Cingular's site is all but useless and only ranks ahead of Verizon based on the fact that Verizon uses Brew, which requires a ridiculously expensive license to certify apps to use on the devices.

Just a few things you learn when you get a crazy idea for doing something cool like playing with the GPS chips and internet access most of these phones have.

Re:Are you sure? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13939959)

Some 4 years ago Nokia already had an open source web page, ostdev.net, for their home media boxes. But after an exponential decay of activity it closed doors after roughly 1.5 years. But that effort always seemed very half-hearted, hopefully this time they're more committed.

Making the platform choice healthier (1)

oztiks (921504) | more than 8 years ago | (#13939122)

Sorry for stating the obvious but i dare say this is just Nokias way of developing a method to deter its way from being forced into using commerical apps for their consumers...

I wonder if this will have any lasting affect on the Mobile/PDA industry causing competitors to lend from what Nokia appears to be starting.

Good on ya Nokia for keepin it real! :)

Covering all the bases (1)

Kelson (129150) | more than 8 years ago | (#13939319)

It's interesting to note that in the mobile web browser space, Nokia has supported or licensed a number of different players. They've licensed Opera [opera.com] for a long time, they've helped fund Minimo [com.com] (Mozilla/Gecko), and of course they've just announced their own KHTML-based browser [kde.org] .

They seem to recognize that they're better off with choices -- if KHTML works best on one device, maybe Gecko will work best on another. Maybe Opera will be the best choice in another device, but they don't want to be stuck if, say, Opera's licensing deal becomes prohibitive, or Gecko or KHTML goes off in a completely new direction.

Re:Covering all the bases (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13939450)

Umm, what about RealPlayer? Aren't they getting stuck with that? But then again, in the world of streaming media, there are only bad options (Real, Windows Media, Quicktime...).

sweet (1)

POds (241854) | more than 8 years ago | (#13939440)

So does that mean if i ever decide to get rid of my 3310... or whatever it is, I'll have a noce portable storage device, camera etc that can be used with my linux desktop?

Sounds like a step in the right direction!

Nokia lobbied hard for EU software patents (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13939695)

Nokia suck [ffii.org]

Website runs on IIS (1, Informative)

javester (260116) | more than 8 years ago | (#13939834)

And worse, it doesn't work when javascript is disabled.

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http:/ /opensourceenergy.org [netcraft.com]

Eeeehhh?

Re:Website runs on IIS (1)

someone300 (891284) | more than 8 years ago | (#13940022)

Large companies are strange bastards.
All the sections act like they're not connected. One section might support OSS, another might be anti-OSS.

Look at Sony for example...

Re:Website runs on IIS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13940214)

That's generally true however in this case I think you're wrong, try connecting the dots.

This is just the latest (somewhat pathetic) deceitful PR courtesy of the pro software patent brigade.

Sofia-SIP or yet another rubish SIP Stack (1)

biba2 (254865) | more than 8 years ago | (#13940299)

I've just took a look at then Sofia-SIP stack. One of the most horribile pieces or code i've saw lately. I mean even oSIP which is the most rubbish SIP stack from the free world look way better than this.
I won't compare it with YASS (Yate SIP stack) which is a piece of art if you compare it with SIP stack.
I can't belive that in this days someone will write code in the way Sofia-SIP is writte. Just compare how complicated it is.

http://voip.null.ro/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/yate/contri b/ysip/ [voip.null.ro] - Yate SIP stack

http://savannah.gnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/osip/osip/ [gnu.org] - oSIP

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/sofia-sip/so fia-sip/ [sourceforge.net] - Sofia-SIP

I think in the end that what Nokia did was just to throw some rubbish code arround hoping to get some more bug fixes.

Re:Sofia-SIP or yet another rubish SIP Stack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13942205)

Describing your own stack as piece of art, and saying that others are rubbish, is a bit pompous don't you think?

Anyways, it's good to remember that feature sets are different. The Nokia stack seems closer to the eXoSIP+osip combination feature-wise. See http://www.huisetalage.nl/sip/stacks.html [huisetalage.nl] for a comparison of the various available stacks.

Re:Sofia-SIP or yet another rubish SIP Stack (1)

biba2 (254865) | more than 8 years ago | (#13943628)

I think the corect phase was " comparing with Nokia SIP stack, YASS is a piece of art".
I didn't mention OPAL since is trying to use SIP as H.323 and i didn't mention reSIProcate (VOCAL and sipX come from the same people) and the other since i don't have a reason to do mention them.
Is very disapointing to see that insted of being a winning for free software nokia open source site is just a way for nokia to gain for free some developers and beta testers.
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