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Alleged Adware Purveyor Indicted

CowboyNeal posted more than 8 years ago | from the facing-the-music dept.

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weeva writes "Wired News reports that federal prosecutors have indicted a 20-year-old California man for installing adware on 400,000 Windows machines he compromised with a variant of RxBot. Jeanson Ancheta allegedly pulled in $60,000 in affiliate fees from porn pop-up company Gammacash, and 180solutions subsidiary ZangoCash. The feds hope to seize his BMW."

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BMW! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13948832)

BMW = Brings Me Women

Congratulations!! (5, Funny)

Senes (928228) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948835)

Someone give those guys a free iPod.

Kids, try this at home (2, Funny)

Chapter80 (926879) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949097)

20-year-old California man... The feds hope to seize his BMW.

Moral of the story, do this when you are 17! Then you get to keep your BMW.

Re:Kids, try this at home (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13949177)

... Jeanson Ancheta ...

Wow. Even his name is right for the business. I wonder if he's represented by the well-known law firm of Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe [123posters.com] ?

Re:Kids, try this at home (2, Funny)

plover (150551) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949349)

Actually, I was kind of wondering "which" feds wanted to seize his Beemer, cuz I want to be a part of that crowd:

"Sweet ride, John, where'd you get that Viper?"
"Some kid wrote a spambot last week. I'm hoping to bring down this other worm author next week, I hear he's got a mint-condition '62 Vette."
"Nice. I got a Mercedes yesterday, but there's this Porsche, I mean virus author who has a Porsche, that I'm working on for tomorrow."

Yeah, I could do that.

France surrendered! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13949165)

In a long awaited move, the French metropolitan police of Paris announced their defeat against muslim rioters yesterday. 470 cars, an entire citybus depot with 27 buses and some shopping centers were set aflame on thursday night around the city of Paris. Even with 1700 special police officers on duty, there were only 20 rioters apprehended. Impartial observers said this was because police officers were too afraid to act since they came under live fire from rioters on wednesday, when several individuals fired with AK-47 rifles and other small arms from within the protesting mob.

French police is apparently pursiung a strategy of appeasement, despite interior minister Sarkozy's threatening words on press events, said concerned citizens. Privately owned weapons are illegal in France, so residents and neighbors have few choices of recourse against the destruction of their cars by the mob. Even as no less than 9.000 police vehicles get severely damaged alone in and around Paris *each year*, the police won't intervene with the riots. More than 50 firefighters were wounded during the last week since the riots started 8 days ago.

Impartial observers state the riot-score yesterday to be 500:20 on rioters vs. the police. This includes 470 cars + 27 buses + 3 or more shopping centers pitted against 20 official apprehensions.

Most of the rioters are muslims from northern Africa and Arabia that feel left behind in France's society. Most burned cars and shops had muslim owners, though. Police is *hoping* (ahem) the riots will cease after the end of Ramadan, the muslim holy month.

The citizens of Paris may request support from American troops in the near future, as France is obviously unable to defend against a massive uprising of muslim insurgents in the metropolitan area of their capital. A call for help to privately operating US self-defense practitioners was not confirmed, but sources state this as likely true, because French civilians have no other recourse as their officials and armed forces are unwilling or afraid to intervene.

Re:France surrendered! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13950920)

The unrest began after teenagers Bouna Traore, aged 15, and Zyed Benna, 17, were accidentally electrocuted at an electricity sub-station in Clichy-sous-Bois.
Local people say they were fleeing police - a claim the authorities deny. Inquiries are under way.


So it is the police's fault? What were the 2 kids doing that had the police "chasing them"? Serves 'em fuck'n right. Can't wait to see how thes evolves.

Re:Congratulations!! (1)

op12 (830015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13950329)

Sure, just sign up for these great deals which have no strings attached*!



* By no strings attached we mean there are actually many, many strings attached.

Re:Congratulations!! (1)

darkonc (47285) | more than 8 years ago | (#13951157)

Or, even better yet -- a Sony music CD!

So . . . (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13948836)

So when will Sony be indicted?

Re:So . . . (4, Funny)

Beatbyte (163694) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949197)

You'll see signs. Aeronautical swine are probably the most visible.

Re:So . . . (1)

AdamWeeden (678591) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949343)

Coinciding with a noticable temperature decrease in a certain Christian netherworld.

Re:So . . . (1)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 8 years ago | (#13950124)

You'll see signs. Aeronautical swine are probably the most visible.

You mean like this? [wikipedia.org]

Hurhurhur (2, Funny)

HugePedlar (900427) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948839)

Go on - someone make a joke about porn pop-ups, please!

Re:Hurhurhur (3, Funny)

debilo (612116) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948855)

Go on - someone make a joke about porn pop-ups, please!

I'd pay for those!

Re:Hurhurhur (2, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948865)

Go on - someone make a joke about porn pop-ups, please!

I'd pay for those!


Okay:

One day Lil porn popup says to his father: I want to get married.
Father: Oh yeah, do you have someone in mind?
Porn popup: Yeah, grandma
Father: Well, there is a problem, you want to marry my mother.
Porn popup: so what? you married mine...

Can I get the cash now?

Re:Hurhurhur (1)

debilo (612116) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948877)

Can I get the cash now?

Slut.

Not much (1)

mtjs (918147) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948842)

Get in 400.000 machines only to earn $60,000... Not even worth thinking about it. And then the feds came.

Re:Not much (4, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948851)

Get in 400.000 machines only to earn $60,000

You know, he just *might* have automated the process of getting into each machine...

Re:Not much (3, Insightful)

Voltageaav (798022) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948918)

15 Cents a computer. $60,000 in a little over one year. With a quick search on Yahoo Jobs, the lowest paying IT security jobs start out at $75,000 with five years of IT experiance. I grant you that he was only 20 and likely didn't have much experiance you could put on a resume, but he likely could have been making $100,000 by the time he was 30 working for the other side without the risk.

Re:Not much (3, Insightful)

MrAngryForNoReason (711935) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949258)

15 Cents a computer. $60,000 in a little over one year......he likely could have been making $100,000 by the time he was 30 working for the other side without the risk.

It is hardly as if he was working 9-5 on this 5 days a week. $60,000 for running automated tools to compromise other peoples machines sounds well worth the short amount of time it would take to set up.

In fact there is nothing in the article to indicate that he wasn't working a day job and doing the rest in his spare time.

Re:Not much (2, Insightful)

LordFnord (843048) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949285)

With a quick search on Yahoo Jobs, the lowest paying IT security jobs start out at $75,000 with five years of IT experiance

Maybe so, but there's an important difference between "spending 10+ hours a day commuting/working with a real job" and "spending an hour a week reading reports from your bots".

he likely could have been making $100,000 by the time he was 30 working for the other side without the risk.

It may also be worth considering how much he could have grown his botnet by the time he was 30, or what other (potentially less risky and more lucrative) illegal activities he could have funded with the profits.

A criminal lifestyle operates on a totally different risk:reward ratio to a legitimate one. This guy felt the risk was worth the reward, but it didn't work out for him.

Stick it to him (4, Funny)

siphonophore (158996) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948862)

By "seize his BMW" I hope they mean "seize his head and put it on a pike in the Internet town square between Google and MSN."

Re:Stick it to him (2, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948874)

By "seize his BMW" I hope they mean "seize his head and put it on a pike in the Internet town square between Google and MSN."

In other news: a decapitated head found on Internet town square strangely smells of rotten fish...

Re:Stick it to him (1)

crackbaby58 (916764) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949159)

I hope this happens to his BMW instead: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=3069 12 [e46fanatics.com]

Re:Stick it to him (1)

tompaulco (629533) | more than 8 years ago | (#13950464)

Why punish the car? It didn't do anything wrong.
In that vein, somebody in my neighborhood got TPed last week. Apparently someone also sparay painted on their car. I hope whoever did it gets caught and has to cough up $20,000 to replace their car, plus go to jail for awhile, and reimburse the county for the time they spend in prison.

Yeah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13949572)

Let's let release some unimportant criminal (like a rapist, murder or some other violent felon) and put this Obvious Menace To Society in his place, all at taxpayer's cost

So what happens to the Companies (4, Insightful)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948870)

180solutions and Gammacash have put up a show claiming to be the good guys here and helping stop these scurrilous cads . So will there even be an investigation into their affairs.

Perhaps I am a touch cynical , but I very much doubt they had no idea how a lot of their affiliates work . Did they even look into the business they work with , see if they are legitimate . Perhaps they did not know and were just inept , I very much doubt it though .

Re:So what happens to the Companies (4, Insightful)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948880)

Perhaps they did not know and were just inept , I very much doubt it though .

They probably did not know, because they did not want to know. Their policy was probably 'ask no questions, get no lies': you don't investigate at all into your affiliates' businesses, and then when the faeces strike the ventilator you can honestly claim ignorance...

Re:So what happens to the Companies (1)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948902)

They probably did not know, because they did not want to know.

They certainly knew that, it's a part of their core business after all.

And even if they somehow didn't indent to run malwarevertising, they certainly watch closely where their money go. You don't pay a subsidiary for something you don't even know what it is.
A friend of mine, someone who got suckered into HerbaLife (a nasty Amway-like scheme), used to hire students to give people leaflets. And of course, if he didn't supervise them, all leaflets tended to be dumped into a trash can. Sure, you can only do limited supervision, but no one is stupid enough to pay for advertising and not check how (and if!) it is done.

Re:So what happens to the Companies (1)

cduffy (652) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948922)

Well, obviously they know that the advertising is done -- the ads and clicks are pulled from their servers.

What they didn't know is whether the users consented to the installation of the software displaying the ads -- the binaries they provided had a EULA which folks were just expected not to read; this fellow modified the copy he was distributing to no longer request or retrieve the user's consent.

Arguably, so long as the binaries they provide Do The Right Thing, they're legitimate wrt pushing the blame on the guy who made and distributed the modified version on users w/o their consent.

Re:So what happens to the Companies (3, Funny)

adtifyj (868717) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948962)

and then when the faeces strike the ventilator you can honestly claim ignorance...

It doesnt matter how the shit ended up on your face; it doesnt look good.

Re:So what happens to the Companies (2, Informative)

NineNine (235196) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949040)

Actually, GammaCash has been an affiliate program for a long time. They have a good reputation (if not quite the best payouts). The porn industry pretty much self-regulates. Legitimate porn purveyors don't spam. It's these amateurs that give us a bad name.

Re:So what happens to the Companies (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 8 years ago | (#13951285)

I'm sure you're right. Still, their whole business model is built on adware and spam — there's just no other way for their affiliates to generate enough hits to keep them in business. As with so many seamy businesses, it isn't what you know, it's what people can prove you know.

Re:So what happens to the Companies (1)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949135)

So will there even be an investigation into their affairs.

Dunno. Doubtful though.

What I have noticed is that there is some kind of fairly comfortable abstraction from reality and personal responsibility, and that abstraction does exactly that. The "corporation" is nothing real, yet they are spoken as if they are a real entity in the eye of the public and the government. The corporation can transcend local, state, and federal laws. Can never be held personally responsible for anything they do, usually at most pay a fine. I've noticed that it goes the other way too with the government. The US and state governments cannot do things like require people to go to mental health therapy and make them pay for it out of their pocket. But they can say that you broke the law, then another part of the government like say DMV (automobile driving division) says you must volunteer to to another division, say ASAP "Alcohol Safety Awareness Program", which in turn can then make you volunteer again to go to private and paid for counseling.

Anyway, these two companies did the same thing. They hired some 20 year old kid to do their dirty work, and he is getting busted, while they are completely insulated from it.

Kinda slick, eh?

On a side note, I have a real issue with the last line of the summary that says, "The feds hope to seize his BMW."

As much as I hate spammers, I hate much more that feds go around "hoping" to take somebody's property. WTF? That is another thing that is becoming way too popular with our government. Good thing the 2nd amendment is still there to keep things from going too far.

Re:So what happens to the Companies (2, Insightful)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949828)

As much as I hate spammers, I hate much more that feds go around "hoping" to take somebody's property. WTF?

The word 'hope' is used because they, the Feds, have to prove that the car was purchased with funds from the illegal enterprise. This is similar to how property from drug dealers is confiscated. The Feds show that the property was purchased using proceeds from the drug sales.

In other words, they are depriving the person the fruits of their illegal operations.

Re:So what happens to the Companies (1)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 8 years ago | (#13950701)

This is similar to how property from drug dealers is confiscated. The Feds show that the property was purchased using proceeds from the drug sales.

In other words, they are depriving the person the fruits of their illegal operations.


Right, I understand where they are coming from, I just don't think its right for them to specifically "hope" for such a thing to happen. Its like someone the other day "hoping" that someone would get raped in prison for stealing their identity.

I doubt that if they had purchased a barely working 1983 Chevy Chevette, that they would "hope" so much. A BMW is a status symbol for many, and that removal is what they are hoping for. Our freedom from being raped is a sign of status to some extent, and they are hoping for that removal as well.

I've had my property taken by the police for much less of a crime or nuisance than what this guy has done, and this was without a trial or conviction of a crime. It was on the spot by the police. And that is wrong in my opinion. To me that is theft, and that is against the law.

I never heard of people hoping that Martha Stewart would loose her property, nor for Kenneth Lay of Enron fame to loose his property. And they have probably acquired much more than this guy through their special crimes.

I don't have an answer. Punishment is something that is very difficult to do right. I've seen on the news where a guy who was either charged or convicted of growing and selling marijuana bought back his house that he was growing it in when it went for sale at an auction. It was almost an outrage that he was able to get his property back, even though he did it completely legally. Its just an attitude that I don't care for, and it has gotten easier by some means for the police just to take property.

I simply think its a violation of people's rights, especially when a conviction is not involved. When someone goes to jail or prison, they have temporarily lost all of their external possessions and freedoms, and its difficult for those people to get reintegrated into society. If there is financial restitution that has been established, then take cash. Let the people sell their BMW or house if need be. Garnish wages. Just don't go around taking property.

Re:So what happens to the Companies (1)

merdark (550117) | more than 8 years ago | (#13951003)

What? If the guy made 60k, then make him pay 90k to the gov. (you know, interest and all that). Why sieze anything?

If the guy does not pay, then start siezeing property.

Re:So what happens to the Companies (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 8 years ago | (#13950526)

Perhaps they did not know and were just inept , I very much doubt it though .

You can doubt better than that. No business is going to spend that much money without getting feedback on results and knowing their methods to ensure they are not fraudulent. After all, if I wasn't being watched, I could just buy a hundred or so PCs, infect them, wipe them out, re-infect...so on and so on...

There's no doubt that they knew and a very high certainty that they don't care... they likely feel that since someone else is doing it, they are in the clear. But isn't that like a mob boss saying "whack'm" or "take care o' d'problem" to a hitman? He is a hitman and while the boss never said "kill that person" there is an understanding of intended meaning. And in this case, I believe there is an understanding that these people use unlawful/illegal means of installing software onto machines out there and while they are paying for this service of having the software installed, they have a reasonable understanding that the method isn't ethical at the very least.

Just 60,000? (1)

Sattwic (545957) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948873)

400,000 computers and just 60,0000$? Or 60,000$ per month?

Re:Just 60,000? (3, Informative)

Senes (928228) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948900)

$60,000 over the course of one year. As annoying as spam is, it really does not pay well unless done in large amounts. The big catch here was that very little was invested into making that money because other people's computers were doing all of the grunt work.

Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (2, Insightful)

putko (753330) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948887)

The guy ran bots -- he took control of thousands of PCs, and used them for purposes like sending spam.

Taking control of thousands of PCs, is unauthorized use of someone's computer, which is illegal.

That's much worse than Talmudically tricking folks into loading up some Adware (e.g. if you want to run the P2P, you are also agreeing to run our adware bot).

Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (5, Interesting)

fmwap (686598) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948909)

Not necessarily...consider this, what's worse:

Your wife divorcing you to marry some jerk she met on the internet
or
Your wife divorcing you to marry your best friend.

Point being that, sometimes it's *better* to be fucked over by the man in the black hat, instead of a reputable software company that provides contact information and is only legal because of one sentence burried deep in an EULA...at least thats MHO.

Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (1)

Dr. Evil (3501) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949257)

Oh yeah, I jumped too when I read this in the MS EULA. "the lord of the ground sal have the maidinhead of all virginis dwelling on the same."

http://www.fibri.de/jus/arthbes.htm [fibri.de]

Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (2, Funny)

pyro_peter_911 (447333) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949666)

Not necessarily...consider this, what's worse:

Your wife divorcing you to marry some jerk she met on the internet
or
Your wife divorcing you to marry your best friend.


Wait! What? I don't understand why you think there's a problem with either of these options.

Peter

Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (1)

scheming daemons (101928) | more than 8 years ago | (#13950269)

Sure there is... why would you want that to happen to your best friend?

Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (2)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949822)

Taking control of thousands of PCs, is unauthorized use of someone's computer, which is illegal.

That's much worse than Talmudically tricking folks into loading up some Adware

Jeez, nice way to inject a pointless (and unrelated) ehtnic slur into an otherwise intelligent post.

Is that even remotely necesary? I'm a friggin' WASP and that's offensive.

Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13950623)

Actually, it's not an ethnic slur and it's not offensive. I'm Jewish, and it's meant to be funny -- it's about the humorously nitpicky way of argument (humorous nowadays, that is), not some ethnic characteristic.

Thank you for expressing concern, but in this case it turned out to be unnecessary.

(And for the record, I thought it actually was quite funny, very well executed)

Re:Bad Summary: More than just Adware Purveyor (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 8 years ago | (#13950962)

Actually, it's not an ethnic slur and it's not offensive. I'm Jewish, and it's meant to be funny -- it's about the humorously nitpicky way of argument (humorous nowadays, that is), not some ethnic characteristic.

Thank you for expressing concern, but in this case it turned out to be unnecessary.

Errr ... now I feel like an ass. My apologies to the OP. :-P

Noble Cause (5, Funny)

GodOfCode (878337) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948906)

Why does this always happen to men who work for noble causes?! After all, this chap was just facilitating the distribution of knowledge and information.

MODS interesting?? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13949089)

Why does this always happen to men who work for noble causes?! After all, this chap was just facilitating the distribution of knowledge and information. (Score:2, Interesting)

Funny, maybe. Ironic, ok. Troll, possibly. Interesting?

I think it was a joke. Porn and adware being a noble cause? Did I miss something?

Re:Noble Cause (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949735)

I agree. Giving someone free sexual information is a noble cause. With all the fuss you would think he made millions installing rootkits.

evil axes to grind (3, Funny)

dankelley (573611) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948916)

Damn him, for buying a car not made by US workers.

Re:evil axes to grind (3, Funny)

JonathanR (852748) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948957)

Wot, an X5 or a Z4? They're made in South Carolina.

Re:evil axes to grind (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13948985)

Yes, jobs which should have gone to hard working, deserving Germans rather than being outsourced to some 3rd world flea pit where they will work for peanuts.

Re:evil axes to grind (2, Informative)

SB5 (165464) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949934)

Not all of South Carolina is a 3rd world flea pit. They do have some nice beaches and other nice places there.

Forget the BMW... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13948932)

Seize his nuts with some bolt cutters and throw the rest of him in gaol as an example to the rest of the spyware-producing world.

Bubba (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13948951)

Hopefully the feds send this guy to jail, where he can get assraped everyday by Bubba. He will then really see what cracks and holes in a system will do to you.

Re:Bubba (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13948993)

Looks like you speak from experience, eh?

Re:Bubba (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13949963)

Looks like you're eager to gain some.

Simple (5, Insightful)

wehup (567821) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948981)

Seems like the feds could clean all of this up by launching a quick investigation into *every* affiliate of the spyware/adware companies. The only way an affiliate can get someone to load this junk is by trickery or exploit.

Re:Simple (2, Interesting)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949112)

Seems like the feds could clean all of this up by launching a quick investigation into *every* affiliate of the spyware/adware companies. The only way an affiliate can get someone to load this junk is by trickery or exploit.

Not so. Plenty of fine-print boilerplate associated with online games or other things will do the same. For example... you offer a free Java-based garden or room design program. Then you make sure that people running web sites for interior decorators or garden clubs know that they can link to it for free. People use it, and agree to the terms without thinking. Presto, you've got permission to drop a litte proxy or tool bar or other naughtiness on their machine. They've asked you to, without thinking about the consequences. People looking to play a free game of poker or do a crossword puzzle are easily seduced that way.

Of course, that all takes some work, and most sleazy affiliates are way too lazy to do it the "honest" way. And the ones that do it fine-print-loophole way are still facing lawsuits because the tactics, while literally OK, are still clearly attempting to fool people.

Re:Simple (1)

wehup (567821) | more than 8 years ago | (#13950106)

"use it, and agree to the terms without thinking." might that be classified as "trickery"?

Re:Simple (1)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 8 years ago | (#13950204)

"use it, and agree to the terms without thinking." might that be classified as "trickery"?

Actually, my point was that it's more like "not thinking." Or, "not reading." Or, "assuming that, generally, people are good and nice, and that they want to give me something for free with no strings attached because I'm also nice."

Re:Simple (1)

wehup (567821) | more than 8 years ago | (#13950835)

good point...
maybe it should have been "by exploit, trickery, or seduction". Perhaps what is needed for affiliates to present something like the following: YES - I want to see more ads.. YES - I want to screw up my computer YES - I want you to screw up my computer again if I try to fix it YES - I trust you to install more software goodies whenever you want YES - ......... Seriously, I wonder what percentage of affiliates installation would fall into each category. (exploit, trickery, seduction, or the user actually agrees that the adware/spyware is worth it)

Re:Simple (1)

Thing 1 (178996) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949282)

Nonono, all they have to do is make owning a BMW illegal. Problem solved.

60,000 for installations only (4, Insightful)

nietsch (112711) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948984)

So this guy had the installation hacked up so he didn't need any users permission to install the spyware. Why on earth didn't he also hack the display of the popups so they were shown to /dev/null (or whatever the windows variant is) instead of to the user. The most succesfull virusses are the ones that affect their host the least. Or if it was really only the installations, why not fake the installation?

Worms/bots/virusses usually try to patch the vulnr they entered with. If they extended this behavior to keep windows fully patched then they could even be beneficial to their victims/hosts. That would increase the chances of survival of the malware even more.

Overheard at FBI... (5, Funny)

mrselfdestrukt (149193) | more than 8 years ago | (#13948994)

Fed1: Let's see, we can go after any one of these 3 guys.
Fed2: What cool stuff do they have?
Fed1: Well, this one guy has a bike and a couple of laptops.The other one has a BMW and a couple of ipods and the other guy a Toyota and a house.
Fed2: Hmm. That's a difficult one. I'd say,lets go after guy number 2 with the BMW and we keep quiet about the ipods and pocket them. In a month it will blow over and my wife can drive the BMW.
Fed1: But I want a bike!
Fed2: Focus pinky!

Seizing (2, Funny)

MECC (8478) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949007)

"The feds hope to seize his BMW."

Hopefully they'll seize other things of his that start with the letter 'B'

Re:Seizing (1)

hamburger lady (218108) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949019)

buick?

Re:Seizing (4, Funny)

zootm (850416) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949073)

Bentley?

Re:Seizing (1, Redundant)

GreekPimpSlap (925925) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949100)

His BAWLS ?!?! [bawls.com]

Re:Seizing (0, Flamebait)

GreekPimpSlap (925925) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949182)

im convinced the slashdot mods dont like me... no matter what i post (funny OR serious) i either get a 0 mod or -1.... damn you, damn you straight to hell !

Re:Seizing (1)

zootm (850416) | more than 8 years ago | (#13950537)

Considering that your post was just before the post that made yours "Redundant", that does seem a little unfair.

Re:Seizing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13949101)

Bawls? [bawls.com]

Re:Seizing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13950772)

Wow, apparently /. mods think a Bentley is a hell of a lot funnier than a Buick. Who knew?

Re:Seizing (1)

mr. methane (593577) | more than 8 years ago | (#13951241)

Buttsecks. Oh, wait, that's what he's going to get, not lose.

So, 20 years old, broke, in jail looking forward to getting out in a few years with a felony conviction and a lifetime of employment sweeping up cigarette butts.

All in all, a nice day indeed.

Re:Seizing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13949429)

"The feds hope to seize his BMW."

What they meant was, drive it around without any oil, until the engine block becomes a block of scrap!

wow, what a kingpin (5, Funny)

EllynGeek (824747) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949016)

Sixty thousand smackeroos, that's the high life all right. After buying the BMW he had gas money for a few weeks.

Re:wow, what a kingpin (3, Insightful)

Capt James McCarthy (860294) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949022)

Sixty thousand smackeroos, that's the high life all right. After buying the BMW he had gas money for a few weeks.

Weeks? I want to know where you are getting your cheap gas.

Ah, the delicious irony (2, Funny)

NetCow (117556) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949114)

Funnily enough, in Romanian "ancheta" means "investigation".
Gotta love this...

Hope victims got help to secure their system (0)

Been on TV (886187) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949128)

Let's hope the victims got help to clean up and secure their systems. Preferably by moving them to Linux and OS X of course, or they will soon be p0wned again.

Come to think about it, that'd be a pretty good prospect list for a business to have...

Re:Hope victims got help to secure their system (1)

Ragein (901507) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949588)

Just 1 comment I ran an xp box for something like 2 years with a permanant connection 2 tha net and generally it didnt get messed up. If these people cant run a firewall, antivirus, patch windows, scan for adware everynow and again then what do they expect. Yes i got a few bits of malware but usually sorted it within about 30 mins. Rant over your probably right. But just consider this if every1 where useing linux boxes then all the malware coders will just start writing for that platform. Just make sure your data and network iz safe then watch the other users crumble.

Re:Hope victims got help to secure their system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13950101)

Next up, let's present them with the gobbles sshd exploit. 400k home PC's is a joke compared to that.

step 1: realize every OS gets exploited and get over it.

I hope... (2, Interesting)

jcr (53032) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949138)

I hope this is the SOB that's been sending me those goddamned "online pharmacy" ads. They're just about the only ones that are getting through my filters, but I'm seeing 5-10 of them every day.

-jcr

Re:I hope... (1)

Code Master (164951) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949478)

Yeah, same here. I think my mail program (OS X Mail) has problems with emails with no text content. I'm thinking of making a seperate filter that can handle the link or attachment used in those silly emails.

Re:I hope... (1)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949486)

Why would you use an online pharmacy *anyway*? The prices are ridiculous and they're all based at PO boxes in the US. Would you seriously buy drugs from something quite as unknown as that? And why would I want to buy drugs without visiting my doctor first?

Re:I hope... (1)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949800)

Pharmacy spam goes mainly after people in small and/or tight-knit communities. The kind where going to the drug store and getting viagra will get the town abuzz in no time. They work on the promise of embarassment aversion more than anything else.

Re:I hope... (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949851)

those are interesting headers aren't they! "from: -12393874234" with a fqdn after.

The Sad Thing (1, Interesting)

Comatose51 (687974) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949144)

The really sad thing is that this month's Inc magazine posted a list they called the "Inc 500" (wantabe Forbes here) and 180Solutions was among the top time companies (maybe #4 IIRC). They are evil but they're making a lot of money.

No punishment would be too cruel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13949291)

I hope they rip off that guy's head and cr@p down his neck. They should treat him cruelly and without mercy. Torture him with the goal of keeping him alive for as long as possible. Find out how many organs he'll live to see removed before his very eyes.

And I wish the same on 180 solutions, "a better internet", gator and all other scum-sucking adware-morons out there who are only fit to be stamped on!

How many military computers compromised? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13949308)

Gives you that warm, fuzzy feeling about national security, doesn't it?

If this were a drug-related case (3, Insightful)

thedbp (443047) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949475)

They would have already seized all his property, and even if he was found not guilty, he wouldn't get any of it back.

This guy may very well turn out to be a scumbag, but until a court of law determines him to be a scumbag, I don't think we should be so smug as to cheer for the fed's inalienable right to take whatever it wants from whomever it wants.

Not enough! (1)

Turbofish (585771) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949482)

Take his car?!! For what he did?!!!

"Hangin's not good enough!
Burnin's not good enough!
He should be torn into itsy, bitsy pieces,
and BURIED ALIVE!!!!!"


Seriously, though... at least a public whipping till he needs hospitalization is in order.

Re:Not enough! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13950287)

Nice "Heavy Metal" quote...

180 Solutions (2, Interesting)

HermanAB (661181) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949882)

is still free and according to TFA even helping the authorities catch their own pushers. So WTF?

Plus, it's in their advantage to catch them (1)

rfc1394 (155777) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949948)

The adware supply companies probably have provisions in their contracts causing affiliates to forfeit all unpaid commissions if they are caught spamming. So the adware company not only gets the money paid for the ads the affilliate spammer generated, they don't have to pay the spammer anything!

This reminds me of how some sweatshops would hire lots of illegal aliens to work for them, then after 3 weeks on the day before they were supposed to be paid, the INS would raid the place and deport them all, so as a result the business owner didn't have to pay them anything! And then he'd start over with a fresh crew.

The real problem? (2, Funny)

geobeck (924637) | more than 8 years ago | (#13949997)

"If you use our advertising software, you absolutely shall not under any circumstances anyway ever make use of hackbots like the ones at www.hakz0rz.com/180solutions/popuphakz/code to install our software on any computer you do not own without the express consent of the user. The instructions at www.hakz0rz.com/180solutions/popuphakz/howto will tell you exactly what you are absolutely not allowed to do under any circumstances anyway ever, *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*."

Forget the small-timers and go after the real problem.

Traitor caught? (1)

Mr.Fork (633378) | more than 8 years ago | (#13950325)

....The feds hope to seize his BMW...

Heck, around 2 dozen machines were infected in my government office with that adware vairant. Guess we might be able to claim timeshare on that BMW for the hours they spent cleaning infected machine? I'm hoping for the weekend to Vegas next month.
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