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Yahoo's Geek Statue

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the worth-a-read dept.

Yahoo! 349

Philipp Lenssen writes "Yahoo put up a life-size alpha geek statue in honor of the Yahoo Mail team, which they think beat the Gmail team. The statue's plaque says it's presented "in recognition of tremendous intellectual efforts put forth in order to defeat Gmail", and: "Not since the code breakers in Britain's Bletchley Park deciphered Germany's Enigma code during World War II has so much brainpower been focused on kicking an enemy's ass." Flickr has a photo." It's a nice little article on the difference between two of the net's superpowers.

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I've got news for them... (2, Interesting)

Daytona955i (448665) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962492)

They lost... I've got both a gmail account and a yahoo account and I must say I like the gmail one better. The interface is just much nicer in my opinion.

Re:I've got news for them... (3, Interesting)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962519)

gmail is simple and it works. What amazes me is that Yahoo has not asked users which they prefer. This is almost akin to Borland saying that OWL is better than visual (IMHO, OWL was better), or Dr Dos declaring its DOS better than MS-DOS. In each case, the product may have been better, but the vast majority of users said otherwise.

Re:I've got news for them... (4, Insightful)

altoz (653655) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962709)

What amazes me is that Yahoo has not asked users which they prefer.

What amazes me is that they spent money on a statue instead.

Re:I've got news for them... (4, Insightful)

Kenneth Stephen (1950) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962541)

Not just that, but gmail has indeed changed the way the game is played. When you sign up for gmail, they have a short intro which begins with "GMail is different". They key is that they are not gratuitously different. They are different because they analyzed the email processing process and saw a way to improve it. All the mail clients that I've used before had different ways of arranging things on the screen, but the function that they offered and the paradigm that they supported was the same. It took a little bit for me to get accustomed to the new way of doing things, but now that I'm acclimatized, I'm not going back.

Re:I've got news for them... (4, Insightful)

RealBeanDip (26604) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962620)

How about GMail bringing back the good old DELETE button that we're all accustomed to instead of have it hidden in a drop down list. Sometimes different isn't better... sometimes we really do just want to DELETE something.

Re:I've got news for them... (4, Informative)

Bertie (87778) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962678)

If you install Greasemonkey [mozdev.org], there's a script [userscripts.org] for it which will add a delete button to the page alongside the "archive" one Google seems to think you should use for even the most useless messages.

Re:I've got news for them... (2, Insightful)

RealBeanDip (26604) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962727)

>If you install Greasemonkey,

Thanks for that tip, I'll check it out.

However, I really think it would just great if we didn't have to install a hack to do something as basic as deleting an email with one button. I mean if the GMail team *truly* watched people use email I suspect they would find out that "delete" is something people do commonly, even with GMail.

Re:I've got news for them... (2, Insightful)

Sr. Pato (900333) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962577)

The war is far from over, if you judge them both at this point, that'd be like comparing Windows 3.11 with Linux kernel version 1.0. Though you must admit, the statue is a cute gesture. You can tell it's just the competitive spirit, nothing defamatory or serious.

Re:I've got news for them... (2, Insightful)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962588)

They lost... I've got both a gmail account and a yahoo account and I must say I like the gmail one better.

Maybe you should inform Yahoo that you are the judge here.

Re:I've got news for them... (2, Interesting)

cuerty (671497) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962643)

He is a neutral Internet user, he is the target of both systems: he is the judge, he isn't just the only one.

Anyway I've found that Gmail interface it's more confortable to use at work and for tech stuff (like mailing lists) while Yahoo's one is more confortable for the normal user, the one who store photos about their trip to the coast and stuff like that.

Re:I've got news for them... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962696)

Neutral internet user? Ha. While less biased than Yahoo, he's only a small margin less biased.

Frankly I think the "normal user" is the one that determines who wins, and you said it yourself,

Yahoo's one is more confortable for the normal user.

Gmail takes effort to even delete mail. It still needs work.

Dumb4ss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962590)

Uhm... You're dumb,haven't you seen the alpha releases of the new Yahoo client?

It practically replicates Thunderbird/Outlook. It was released in one of the slashdot posts a month ago.

Re:I've got news for them... (2, Interesting)

bogado (25959) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962602)

No they didn't loose they are measuring their incredible success in volume of emails per second that get throw the system....

Re:I've got news for them... (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962613)

Yep, just look at the top of Slashodt, how Google logo overlaps Yahoo logo :P

Re:I've got news for them... (1)

the ghetto jedi (919645) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962623)

Me too. Before I always used my Yahoo! acccount whenever I registered for something, but I use Gmail a lot more.

Re:Slow motion pictures (0)

zaax (637433) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962644)

Gmail uses activex, with it's inherent security problems and therefore not allowed in a secure environment.

Re:Slow motion pictures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962661)

silly troll, dicks are for chicks

Re:Slow motion pictures (2)

rg3 (858575) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962663)

I don't think it uses ActiveX since it works flawlessly under Linux with Firefox, where ActiveX is not available. It happens to use some advanced Javascript technics that have a fancy sounding name that I don't remember.

Re:Slow motion pictures (1)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962698)

Gmail uses activex, with it's inherent security problems and therefore not allowed in a secure environment.

Not on my computer it doesn't. In fact, a computer capable of running activex, with its inherent security problems, is not allowed around here.

Re:Slow motion pictures (1)

EvilMonkeySlayer (826044) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962716)

Gmail uses activex, with it's inherent security problems and therefore not allowed in a secure environment.

Whatever you're smoking, can we all have some please?

Re:Slow motion pictures (1)

Aldric (642394) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962721)

As far I know gmail is an AJAX app, so maybe it uses ActiveX for the XML request in IE? It certainly works just fine in Firefox where there is no ActiveX.

First Post! (2, Interesting)

wundabread (242160) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962493)

Also, how is it that they "defeated" Gmail? I have accounts with both and find Gmail superior.

Re:First Post! (4, Funny)

boaworm (180781) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962508)

Also, how is it that they "defeated" Gmail? I have accounts with both and find Gmail superior.

Hey, atleast they got a statue!

The word you're looking for is "sophistry" (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962540)

It's like how the republicans do business. They first declare victory. Then they hire people to go to different places, at the same time, and call their opponants "Poor sports" and "losers" for disagreing with them. Through repitition through what appear to be different sources many are easily convienced that so many different people can't be wrong.

Re:The word you're looking for is "sophistry" (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962630)

I give your troll a "C+" for effort but, especially with the misspellings, it was a little too obvious. Also, next time try to work in something about a logical problem in opposing abortion but supporting the death penalty.

If that can't be worked in, try something along the lines of "rich uncaring white males who oppress everyone else" and the evils of pure capitalism. Snippy comments about Ayn Rand can be useful if your audience has an above average education.

Here, have a trophy. (5, Insightful)

Dubpal (860472) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962495)

After reading the linked blog, I don't think Yahoo are claiming to have "beat" GMail, as the summary claims (what sort of goals have they set to do this?), rather they're congratulating the Yahoo Mail Team for the effort they've invested thus far in their quest to defeat Google.

I'm sure a handshake and a smile would have been more fitting but hey, it is a nice statue.

Re:Here, have a trophy. (2, Funny)

boaworm (180781) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962518)

I'm sure a handshake and a smile would have been more fitting but hey, it is a nice statue.


To me, that poor statue/guy looks _very_ troubled. I guess he just read some reviews of the Yahoo mail service =)

Re:Here, have a trophy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962531)

Yes but did you notice you are on slashdot ? The ONLY reasons that this article is online to spark a whole new flamefest and google wanking contest between some of the slashdot readers.

Why do you think we see allot of those Sony, Yahoo Microsoft, REAL, EA etc articles for you think ? Because of the non biased oppinions and interresting discussions of the numberous slashdot zealots?

Slashdot is becoming more and more a joke. News for Nerds, Stuff that matters my ASS. Who is running this place, Rupport Murdoch ?

Re:Here, have a trophy. (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962534)

handshake and a smile might have been more fitting for Yahoo. Since they allowed the business ppl to take over, all the money flows to the marketers. The techs get paid lousy. Even if they produce new ideas which lead to a new product, they get NOTHING. At Google, the techs are not only encouraged, but paid well. The marketers are kept minimal.
>
The statue is a simple way around paying these ppl what they would make elsewhere.

Re:Here, have a trophy. (1)

DrHanser (845654) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962676)

Actually, Google's employees aren't paid especially well. They just get lots of side perks.

Re:Here, have a trophy. (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962594)

Yes, and by congratulating their team they've put some urban myth...on statue's plaque :/
Namely, it weren't code breakers in Britain's Bletchley Park that broke Enigma code, those accomplishent was done by polish matematicians before WW2. Granted, Bletchley Park team perfected he methods, making them faster in deciphering and faster adapting to changes in Enigmas...but they didn't decipehred it (and BTW, where do you think those polish matematicians ended at the beggining of the war with whole their knowledge and experience?)

Too bad that complicated geopolitacl situation after the war made possible for this myth to fluorish that much that even information search company is tricked :/

Re:Here, have a trophy. (3, Informative)

clap_hands (320732) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962634)

Breaking Enigma wasn't a one off-event (like breaking an egg). You had to do it each time the settings changed, which was at least once a day. So it's quite accurate to say that Bletchley Park broke Enigma, and that Polish mathematicians broke Enigma (and the US too). As considerable as the Polish work on Enigma was, the British work was certainly quite comparable as an accomplishment in its own right.

It is true that the Polish contribution is often overlooked, but we needn't diminish BP in order to rectify that state of affairs.

I want one (1, Interesting)

MentalMooMan (785571) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962496)

I have to say, that's pretty cool. But did they really defeat gmail? I haven't heard anything special about yahoo mail until now.

Re:I want one (1)

Paska (801395) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962510)

> I haven't heard anything special about yahoo mail until now.

You must be new here, you've not heard much about Yahoo since you're on Googledot.org - Google's PR headquarters.

Re:I want one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962576)

Except their service is open to the public. I say they beat GMail.

wtf (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962499)

wtf

Utter Pretension (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962502)

Comparing a bunch of email UI designers to Bletchly Park?

One word (5, Funny)

Tx (96709) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962503)

Hubris.

And someone needs to get over there and mod that statue pronto.

Re:One word (2, Funny)

dubl-u (51156) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962705)

Hubris.

No shit. They give themselves a statue for being smarter than anybody since Alan Turing? For Yahoo Mail? Sheesh.

Of course, I guess Google can read it as a compliment; since Gmail is, by all reports, better, I guess that means that Yahoo thinks the google people are smarter than Turing.

Maybe it's a secret plan to get Google engineers' heads to swell so much that they burst, splattering Google's curvy walls and free juice refrigerators with glial cells and overweening pride.

Bow down before the Alpha Geek (0)

giorgiofr (887762) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962505)

And respect his m4d l33t h4X0r sk1llz.

Man, how I want one of those statues for myself!

Re:Bow down before the Alpha Geek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962608)

If you're a typical Slashdotter, in about another decade of staring at your computer screen, you'll become a petrified geek yourself.

Oh, and you totally missed the joke there:
"I for one welcome our new Alpha Geek overlord."

Godwin's law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962509)

Yahoo didn't break Godwin's law, they invoked it. We break it.

The only thing a Yahoo account is good for... (1)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962511)

is spam. Everyone I know uses their yahoo accounts to sign up for pr0n.

I wonder what Google will do in response to this...

Re:The only thing a Yahoo account is good for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962542)

Create a service like dodgeit.com: gstringmail.com.

Re:The only thing a Yahoo account is good for... (1)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962568)

Haha... that's kind of amusing, for an AC.

But yes... sadly enough, I've talked SEVERAL people into migrating from YahooMail to Dodgeit (as I said, they only use it to sign up for shit)...

As a GMail user... (3, Insightful)

fionbio (799217) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962517)

I hope that Yahoo releases something competitive, maybe this will finally make GMail team add an option to GMail preferences so that I can receive these attachments... Well, I'm not a big fan of sending stuff as e-mail attachments, but a lot of people prefer this way, and not everyone is aware of GMail's attachment killing habits...

Very few admit failure (1)

Barkley44 (919010) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962520)

Almost everyone says they're the winners, but of course that's from their prospective. It's just a way to boost morale. Googles interface is much simplier and they had the larger storage before anyone else. I tend to use my yahoo one for signup accoutns to avoid spam on the google one ;)

Launch for New Yahoo Mail? (3, Interesting)

gabeman-o (325552) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962522)

I've heard so much about the new Yahoo Mail interface except I haven't heard a launch date. Am I missing something?

This is Wrong (5, Insightful)

Ed Almos (584864) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962525)

Sorry guys, but the work at Yahoo doesn't come close to the efforts made at Bletchley Park to defeat the Germans. The teams at Bletchley were the finest British minds of a generation assembled to beat an evil empire whilst lives were at stake. Comparing this to a phoney war between two email applications is kinda insulting.

Ed Almos

Re:This is Wrong (4, Informative)

clap_hands (320732) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962567)

Yes, it's certainly hyperbole.

(A bit off-topic, but, because it's not as widely known as it should be, it might also be good to point out the considerable contributions of Polish and American codebreakers to the reading of Enigma. The Polish had been solving Enigma since the end of 1932. Shortly before the start of World War II, they passed their techniques and knowledge onto the British. Without the Polish head start, it would have taken Bletchley Park much longer to get going on Enigma (if at all). The US chipped in later.)

Re:This is Wrong (5, Insightful)

Woy (606550) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962587)

Insulting? It reveals a staggering smallness of mind! You rarelly "kick someone's ass" and brag about it. You do one or the other. And Yahoo has made its choice.

It also shows how distorted one's world view can become if you live in an echo chamber. If everytime i went to the bathroom i had a group of lapdogs cheering me for it, i'd end up comparing it to the Manhattan Project too.

Re:This is Wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962611)

Are Slashdot readers truly this humor-impaired? The plaque was obviously written with tongue firmly in cheek.

Re:This is Wrong (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962622)

The Brits allowed World War II to start, which is not very clever. I'd say the Yahoo! Team is the wiser.

New Yahoo dictionary? (3, Funny)

mikaelhg (47691) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962528)

Did Yahoo accidentally swap "win" and "lose" in their new dictionary? That can happen when database keys get mixed up!

To win (in Yahooneese):
  • fall back: retreat
  • fail to make money in a business; make a loss or fail to profit; "I lost thousands of dollars on that bad investment!"; "The company turned a loss after the first year"
  • allow to go out of sight; "The detective lost the man he was shadowing after he had to stop at a red light"
  • fail to keep or to maintain; cease to have, either physically or in an abstract sense; "She lost her purse when she left it unattended on her seat"
  • suffer the loss of a person through death or removal; "She lost her husband in the war"; "The couple that wanted to adopt the child lost her when the biological parents claimed her"
  • misplace: place (something) where one cannot find it again; "I misplaced my eyeglasses"
  • miss from one's possessions; lose sight of; "I've lost my glasses again!"
  • fail to get or obtain; "I lost the opportunity to spend a year abroad"
  • miss: fail to perceive or to catch with the senses or the mind; "I missed that remark"; "She missed his point"; "We lost part of what he said"
  • suffer: be set at a disadvantage; "This author really suffers in translation"

Maybe it's just me... (4, Insightful)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962530)

Maybe it's just me, but that doesn't exactly make me more inclined towards Yahoo. Quite the opposite - if I have the choice between a vendor who keeps on patting himself on the back and bragging about how great they are and one who actually focuses on making a good product, I'll always chose the latter. I just can't stand that kind of "w3 43r l33t!!!111" attitude.

And FWIW, it sure seems to me that Google does have the superior product, too. But of course, I may be biased (heck, I *definitely* am), so if you're not sure yourself, do give both a try. I think you'll come to the same conclusion that I've come to, though.

sigh.. (5, Informative)

Janek Kozicki (722688) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962536)

no one ever remembers that it were polish scientists who cracked [wikipedia.org] enigma...

Re:sigh.. (3, Informative)

Ed Almos (584864) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962578)

Some of us do. Without the work of the Polish scientists on a captured Enigma machine the task at Bletchley Park would have been impossible. Perhaps we should educate the rest of the Slashdot readership.

Ed Almos

Re:sigh.. (1)

EGSonikku (519478) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962581)

Bush didn't forget !

Re:sigh.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962633)

What Bush didn't forget is that Poland sent some troops to Iraq. And he only knew that because his handlers told him. If you asked Bush about Enigma, he would give you a blank stare.

Re:sigh.. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962604)

Bletchley Park did more than the Enigma work (the Lorenz cipher being most notable) and while polish "scientists" did the indeed do the initial work on the Enigma, it still required considerable manpower to "crack" individual messages -- a task which Bletchley Park is rightly credited with.

I see no reason to belittle Bletchley Park.

And it too the Allies a week to fix the crack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962675)

Damn poles cracked it open w/ a hammer.

Re:sigh.. (3, Funny)

c_forq (924234) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962734)

Stop spreading these lies! We all know the Americans did everything useful in World War II. And only the Americans captured an Enigma cipher device as you can clearly watch in this documentry. [imdb.com]

For those of you too lazy to click the link it is to the movie U-571.

POP3 goes the weasel, bitches! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962543)

Yahoo FREE pop3?! FREE smtp?! Don't think so. slurp it down u yaho bitches. t3h google is king!

Didn't Yahoo! have webmail first? (2, Interesting)

eples (239989) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962550)

Did I miss something? Yahoo! had webmail for like a decade, then GMail put it to shame, then Yahoo! ... well did they really update their interface much? It looks and works the same to me.

And now they're giving out statues? Whatever.

Re:Didn't Yahoo! have webmail first? (4, Informative)

kimba (12893) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962666)

Yeah you did. It is talking about the new Yahoo! Mail which is about to be released and has been subject to previewing for the last few months. It is not talking about the Yahoo! Mail that has been around for years.

Here is a screenshot [zawodny.com].

I don't get it (1)

TooLazyToLogon (248807) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962565)

Why would anyone use either. You get at least a couple account from your Internet Service Provider.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962592)

Fool - Change ISPs and you have to tell everybody your new email. I've had my yahoo account for 6 years and been throught 5 ISPs go figure

Well, a few reasons (1)

246o1 (914193) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962603)

I suppose some people don't want to have to change email addresses when they find a cheaper ISP. In my case, Yahoo is my ISP, so when I signed up, I got a free yahoo account! woohoo! Some people prefer having something that's easy for their friends to remember (everyone knows yahoo.com). And maybe some people, windows users for instance, are scared of using pop mail programs like outlook, and they like the yahoo/google interface (compared to other choices).

Re:Well, a few reasons (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962658)

And if you run a dual-boot, it's easier to just use Gmail for everything rather than have to move Thunderbird config files between the two interfaces or similar things.

Re:I don't get it (2, Informative)

Nevenmrgan (826707) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962736)

Oh wow.

- Because jeffersonsw@tampabay.rr.com is a terrible email address
- Because I want to be able to change my ISP and not lose my email address
- Because most ISPs' webmail interfaces are terrible (actually, are any even decent?)
- Because ISPs will never even attempt to catch up to the feature/storage/ease/coolness of the webmail superpowers
- Because a Gmail, Yahoo, or Hotmail (to mention the three big ones) account also gives you numerous other services

Boring, pointless, irrelevant (2, Informative)

MacBeliever (906860) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962570)

1. This is not news, it's gossip. Who cares what stupid tricks Yahoo! management uses to try to motivate their employees? Oh wait, I know, I better sell that Yahoo! stock.

2. If any of the Yahoo! Mail team members is actually motivated by a 3D cartoon character with a plaque, they've already lost to GMail.

3. The plaque says the team's bravery, blah, blah... won't be forgotten until the next version of Yahoo! Mail is released. What happens then? We forget?

4. I just checked my Yahoo! Mail account (which I only use to give to stupid registration-required sites), and my inbox is full of spam. My GMail inbox has yet to receive a spam message.

5. They must be referring to a yet-to-be-released version. What good is a product that no one can use? How is that progress towards defeating GMail?. Hint: While Yahoo! celebrates, GMail gains more users.

Re:Boring, pointless, irrelevant (2, Informative)

Nutshell_TA (830986) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962615)

Just wanted to point that if you use your Yahoo account for "stupid registration-required sites" and keep your GMail box private, then you shouldn't be surprise if the Yahoo one gets filled with spam while the GMail one doesn't.

Re:Boring, pointless, irrelevant (1)

huge (52607) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962715)

4. I just checked my Yahoo! Mail account (which I only use to give to stupid registration-required sites), and my inbox is full of spam. My GMail inbox has yet to receive a spam message.
Little bit OT, but go ahead and try mailinator.com [mailinator.com]. It's probably the best possible web mail service for such use.

Don't get cocky... (1)

rdean400 (322321) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962571)

Sheesh, of all the childish things. They don't even have the enemy beaten yet and they're already trumpeting their success. WTF? I'm not so sure they should be this cocky anyway, because Microsoft is doing the exact same thing for Hotmail.

Bletchley Park (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962572)

Comparing the both is like comparing water and stone. This is a true joke. Betchley park had no idea of the cipher, Yahoo has the source to emulate. This is not code crakcing, it reimplementing..

Sorry -10/10

making claims true...after the claim is made... (2, Insightful)

3seas (184403) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962573)

I'm the richest man in the world, I have all the great looking girls, all the sex I want, best food in the world and well respected worldwise. I'll tell you how to do the same, just send me $20.

hint: marketing

Offensive comparison (1)

bcmm (768152) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962586)

I don't think the comparison with the Bletchley Park cryptographers does justice to the codebreakers. They broke codes that good mathematicians assumed were unbreakable and produced the first digital electronic computers, all in a comparitavely short amount of time. They probably saved hundreds of lives by shortening the war. About 10,000 people worked there, selected for unusual skills in linguistics, mathematics or cryptography. They did incredible things like deducing the structure of a mechanical crytographic machine from the cyphertext intercepted from it, without ever seeing one.

Yahoo's engineers are only fairly small team of developers tying to make a more user-friendly mail interface. It's trivial but time-consuming, and they're not really doing anything new. Certainly not doing anything impossible.

They beat a Beta? Ok ... (2, Interesting)

dlasley (221447) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962589)

If they can a) back the claim to have beaten GMail and b) demonstrate an understanding of how to maintain their competitive advantage *after* GMail is out of Beta, _then_ I will be more interested in paying attention to either crying "We're #1!"

Re:They beat a Beta? Ok ... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962618)

No, no! Google doesn't get to hide behind its beta status! No, sir!

Yahoo Mail is superior (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962600)

Contrary to the others i find Yahoo! is way better than Google. I've got accounts with both and have yet to find a compelling reason to switch to Google.
Who gives a monkey's about storage of 2GB anyway. How many people have 2GB of email anyway. How many of you have read an email from over a year ago? You have to be completely anal to keep all that crap. Get over it and delete the stuff. You're NEVER going to read it again.
i get spam in my Yahoo! account but that is nicely filtered with it rather good filter that i can use to classify as spam or non-spam. Also if you can't stand the advertising, the solution is simple, filter it!

Are Yahoo even relevant anymore? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962628)

Yahoo have always been an "also ran", they're not even an attractive aquisition target. Most of the people I know with a yahoo account use it as a spam account for web signups and as a public (spammable) email address. Silly brand name, substandard offerings and statues, whatever!

Watch more films (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962642)

Not since the code breakers in Britain's Bletchley Park deciphered Germany's Enigma code during World War II has so much brainpower been focused on kicking an enemy's ass

Are these people too busy inventing false victories to watch a film now and again? Everyone knows Britiain didn't have anything to do with breaking the Enigma code. Idiots. Oh and I think Bletchley park is in New York somewhere.

everything 'defeats' gmail (1)

XO (250276) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962648)

Gmail is missing important features that have been part of email programs for decades. 'aemail' (anyone remember THAT?) defeats gmail.

Gmail should've been a regular email design, rather than following Opera's M2 design, with a Google search shoved into it.

  Not that there's anything wrong with Opera's M2, but M2 has more useful functions than Gmail, and a lot of M2 is still so far back it's ancient.

bastards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962653)

we broke the enigma before the war begun

They won? (0, Troll)

ltwally (313043) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962654)

"...the Yahoo Mail team, which they think beat the Gmail team."
I've got news for Yahoo: You haven't won jack. Your interface is laden with annoying ads, as opposed to the gmail ads that you barely even notice. I find that with Yahoo!, even brand new accounts get a metric tonne of spam on a daily basis. This is to be expected... but why on earth can't you filter it out? Gmail does. Plus, Gmail has that lovely, innovative method for tracking multiple email correspondencies.

In short, Gmail is a superior service. For all your efforts and hard work, you ain't won jack.

It's tongue in cheek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962660)

To all the slashdotters getting offended with the Bletchely park comparison. It's called a sense of humour. Go gets some.

Yahoo beats Google (1, Insightful)

crmartin (98227) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962689)

Beats them to what? Yahoo mail is nothing special; gmail is so good I've moved all my personal email to the gmail account. Yahoo has 1 GB, gmail has 2.6 (at last count.) Yahoo has obnoxious ads with lots of motion, colors, and occasionally (ick) noises. Gmail has a column of well-behaved test ads that actually occasionally have something interesting, and spam recipes in the spam folder.

I don't get it.

What I want to know is.. (1)

mattr (78516) | more than 8 years ago | (#13962694)

1. Who's teh Yahoo posted as CmdrTaco on TFA?

2. Is teh plaque right side up, or must read from AlphaGeek's perspective? (sit on his lap?) um, not?

3. If Y yahoos quit for google, who will throw teh chair?

4. Dude. Is Neal Stephenson pissed or what?

Rodin's Thinker dumbed down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962697)

There's some kind of ironic artistic statement in there. Maybe it should get the Turner Prize.

Re:Rodin's Thinker dumbed down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13962730)

Well, it took a hundred posts, but someone's getting there... so, for all the Google lapdogs: this statue is mocking Google for their belief that everything they do is saving the world.

Where "everything" includes a webmail, an idea implemented by Yahoo 10 years ago, combined with an Opera derived interface.

The more you ridicule this statue for its hubris, the more you ridicule the subject of the company its message intends to parody - Google.
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