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Yahoo! Plans to Connect Services With Tivo

Hemos posted more than 8 years ago | from the the-slow-move-to-merger dept.

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Mango Man writes "According to the NY Times, Yahoo! and Tivo plan to connect their services to help differentiate themselves in their respective markets. The first feature offered will be modest: Tivo users will be able to find programs in Yahoo!'s listings and send them to Tivo to record." Ladies and gentlemen, begin your merger rumours!

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Tivo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13969311)

connected to my butt lmau~~~
rip klerck :[

What about illicit access? (5, Interesting)

indros13 (531405) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969313)

Although I applaud the idea of being able to record programs via a Yahoo! web program, what if someone else gets access to your TiVo? What kinds of precautions will be in place to keep someone else from signing you up for every rerun of Will and Grace or General Hospital? *shudders*

Re:What about illicit access? (3, Informative)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969357)

Theres about the same amount of precaution as you put into your email account.

Its certainly not anything serious, but if your free with your account details then expect to get burnt.

I would like something like this, being able to run a web app from anywhere in the world and configure my video would save my missus heartache ("OMG I forgot to set the tape" is a commonly heard phrase).

Re:What about illicit access? (1, Funny)

alkali (28338) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969387)

What kinds of precautions will be in place to keep someone else from signing you up for every rerun of Will and Grace or General Hospital?

For this very reason, TiVo has developed a proprietary technology that will keep 50-year-old gay men from seizing control of your unit.

(Hey, why is everyone giggling?)

Re:What about illicit access? (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969416)

Really? I find Yahoo's TV listings very hard to use. Even on a fast connection it is a real pain to see what is playing a day or two in advance. Keep hoping for Google to do TV listings.

Re:What about illicit access? (3, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969448)

I would be more worried about yahoo or TiVo selling the right to program your TiVo to the highest bidder. TiVo already does this to some extent but Yahoo might be even less motivated to keep TiVo's customers happy in the long run if it costs them potential ad revenue now.

Re:What about illicit access? (2, Funny)

Viper Daimao (911947) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969829)

great, so now I can get goatse'd on my tv?

Re:What about illicit access? (1)

iceanfire (900753) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970154)

"What kinds of precautions will be in place to keep someone else from signing you up for every rerun of Will and Grace or General Hospital?"

a username and a password? the same things that keep people from accessing your webmail.. etc..

Re:What about illicit access? (1)

devilsadvoc8 (548238) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970233)

ReplayTV already allows you to control your DVR unit from the internet and has for years. As a previous poster stated, its just as secure as your password and login info, not a security issue for the company. If you choose "1234" (Spaceballs, right?) as your password, then you deserve to have all of yourMaximum Extreme Elimination Challenge shows replaced with Will & Grace.

But how will it know...? (4, Funny)

rco3 (198978) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969322)

How will Yahoo know to send the info to MY TiVo? Will there be a mechanism in place to prevent me from sending record instructions to someone else's TiVo? Most importantly, can I get around those restrictions?

I mean, I wouldn't WANT to set my buddy's TiVo to fill up its 80 hours with The Horse Porn Channel, but it might at some point become necessary... :-)

Re:But how will it know...? (5, Insightful)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969360)

How will Yahoo know to send the info to MY TiVo?

Same way TiVo is able to send programming instructions now on their website? It's not like each TiVo doesn't have a unique id. I would think all Yahoo does is just being a portal through the TiVo site.

Re:But how will it know...? (1)

rco3 (198978) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969510)

Fair enough. I don't have a TiVo, I have the DVR the cable company offers - which sucks ass in so many ways, but at least works directly with the cable signal and has dual tuners (oh, and records HD. PHAT!). So I didn't know that TiVo offered that through their website. Nice.

Re:But how will it know...? (1)

zagava (855012) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969573)

From the Yahoo web site: http://tv.yahoo.com/onlinesch/tivo/introscreen?don e=http%3A%2F%2Ftv.yahoo.com%2F [yahoo.com]

Your request will be automatically sent to your home the next time your TiVo box connects. Please allow one hour if your TiVo is connected to broadband through your home network, 36 hours if your TiVo uses dialup.

Re:But how will it know...? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13969473)

Hey, be fair. Everyone wants 80 hours of horse porn.

Re:But how will it know...? (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969508)

You can program your Tivo over the web now by logging into tivo.com. The system is passive...in other words, your Tivo unit is not running a server. It simply logs into your account at tivo.com at regular intervals to see if you've left it any recording instructions.

Re:But how will it know...? (1)

ltwally (313043) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969549)

"I mean, I wouldn't WANT to set my buddy's TiVo to fill up its 80 hours with The Horse Porn Channel, but it might at some point become necessary..."
They got rid of that channel last month.

Er.. uhm.. so I heard.

Re:But how will it know...? (1)

fury88 (905473) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969609)

It doesn't matter. The service is still not worth the $15 a month. Tivo is great, on my DirecTV!

Re:But how will it know...? (1)

xmuskrat (613243) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970885)

You get HPC? Man. I can't get my cable comapny to pick up any decent channels. Bah!

As Usual... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13969326)

I read this on digg yesterday...

I wonder... (3, Insightful)

dslauson (914147) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969336)

I wonder if this is in any way related to Google's possible entry into the DVR market as reported on slashdot [slashdot.org] ?

Re:I wonder... (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969530)

It is a knee-jerk reaction to Google DVR in the same way that My Yahoo! [yahoo.com] is a knee-jerk reaction to the personalized Google home page [google.com] .

In other words, no.

Re:I wonder... (2, Funny)

interiot (50685) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969552)

What about Google's possible entry into the upscale ad-supported ketchup market? Has anyone heard anything to substantiate those rumors?

TiVo needs this, bad... (5, Interesting)

phpm0nkey (768038) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969337)

For a company that has been teetering on the brink of obsolescence for some time now, this is great news. Like the iPod, TiVo's real edge over its competitors comes from their spectacular user interface design. Even the most non-technical of my friends and family are able to figure out TiVo easily, and the remote is a triumph of engineering. Generic DVRs are killing them, though. As a Comcast subscriber, I am granted the deep displeasure of occasionally having to use their remote and their menus. I pity those who have to use Comcast's DVR as well.

TiVo is not only a well-designed product, it's an undervalued entity. TiVo has a smart, net-connected box in the living room; this is where every media company wants to be. I'm surprised it's taken this long for a big company to get in on the action. My TiVo ought to be downloading trailers for every movie in theaters, displaying show times, and letting me buy the ticket. It should be aggregating my RSS feeds. It should have an embedded BitTorrent client that downloads the latest video feed of This Week In Tech. When I watch an episode of The Simpsons from Now Playing, there should be a link to buy the DVD box set from Amazon. The only way TiVo will survive is by embracing convergence concepts. Hopefully this partnership with Yahoo! is the first step in this direction.

Re:TiVo needs this, bad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13969411)

Many of these features you mention are already available through Galleon http://galleon.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] You can get RSS feeds, weather, see movie times at local theatres and stream your mp3's directly to your tivo. While this is not a tivo initiative it is easy to use and has many features that I'm sure tivo will directly incorporate in the near future.

Re:TiVo needs this, bad... (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969421)

My TiVo ought to be downloading trailers for every movie in theaters, displaying show times, and letting me buy the ticket.

I've already had it downloading trailers. I don't like them being there because it makes them stand out in the menu. I wouldn't mind it offering me show times and then letting me buy the ticket though.

When I watch an episode of The Simpsons from Now Playing, there should be a link to buy the DVD box set from Amazon.

Sorry, I disagree. I *pay* for the Tivo to remove ads, not create new ones. *You* may not care but $14/month is a lot to remove ads just to get a bunch of different more targeted ones. If they want to move to that I expect that the price per month will go down. Of course it won't, so leave it off my commercial removing hardware.

Re:TiVo needs this, bad... (1)

guyjr (180613) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969716)

TiVo doesn't remove advertising - you do by fast forwarding through commercials. Fair enough, I do that too, as do the vast majority (I assume) of TiVo users.

However, even though you may not want advertising, there is a lot of research out there that says that people do, in fact, want advertising, as long as it is something they're interested in. Therein lies the problem - how do you know, ahead of time, what someone would be interested in? The solution up until now has been to target ads at demographic groups, not individuals - that's why you see diaper and suppository ads on during the soap operas in the afternoon, and Lexus commercials in the evening.

TiVo learns about the kind of programming you enjoy, and builds up recommendations based on how you rate different shows - that's why it's good to always give a thumbs up or thumbs down to each show you watch. (TiVo actually gives a one thumbs up to any show you record automatically). Since they're building up this information about you, advertisers could, in theory, use this information to target specific advertising at you - stuff you would actually be interested in learning more about. That saves everybody time and money in the long run (well, except you, if you go out and buy more stuff as a result. :-)

--
Guy

Re:TiVo needs this, bad... (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969843)

Therein lies the problem - how do you know, ahead of time, what someone would be interested in?

they have plenty of other options on the Tivo unit. One of them should be an opt-out. In my perfect world it would be opt-in. Obviously, that would never work to the advantage of the corporations so I'm fine w/opt-out.

Of course I have no options to do that on a Tivo which is what sucks.

Re:TiVo needs this, bad... (2, Insightful)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969439)

and the remote is a triumph of engineering

Not the one for the DirecTivos. The back skip button is right above the TV power button. You get used to it, but I still accidently turn the TV off now and then. There should be criminal penalties for interface glitches that bad.

Re:TiVo needs this, bad... (1)

guyjr (180613) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969768)

Do I hear an AMEN in the congregation tonight!?! AMEN!! AMEN!! AMEN!!

Re:TiVo needs this, bad... (1)

mrtivo (869568) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970277)

Boy is this true. Same for the 30 second skip button, that's right next to TV input .

Yahoo is already starting this... (5, Informative)

mprindle (198799) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969353)

Go to the Yahoo TV listings. Click on a show and look for "You can record this program to your TiVo.". Click on the Learn More Link to register for the service.

Kage_

Re:Yahoo is already starting this... (1)

TeamSPAM (166583) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970754)

I have a tivo and thought I would click through to see what happens. For me it breaks because I gave TiVo a different email address then I use for my Yahoo login. Changing the primary email on Yahoo to match TiVo, I still couldn't get it.

Just like Google's DVR? (1)

ajdowntown (91738) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969359)

Ah, we all lambasted Google for a supposed rumor about their DVR [slashdot.org] , but it looks like Yahoo beat them to the punch...

Another Yahoo Vs. Google story? (-1, Redundant)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969377)

Is this perhaps in response to Google's announcement about getting into the DVR business?

Next week on Slashdot: MICROSOFT TO RELEASE DVR SOFTWARE FOR THE X-BOX 360! .... hey, that might piss Sony off, too!

Re:Another Yahoo Vs. Google story? (1)

Kickersny.com (913902) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969436)

The headline would read:
MICROSOFT PROMISES TO RELEASE DVR SOFTWARE FOR XBOX 360 IN 2006

You know, right after WinFS in Vista and Hi-Def compatibilty in the XBOX 360

Re:Another Yahoo Vs. Google story? (2, Insightful)

theJML (911853) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969501)

As handy as that would be... X-Box 360/PS3/Revolution Don't have tuners.

And when is Tivo going HD anyway? That's going to seperate it from the rest... Especially some of the new cable company DVRs that already have HD tuners in them. Honestly that's the main reason why my friends and I haven't picked up a Tivo and I think they're missing out on business that way.

Re:Another Yahoo Vs. Google story? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13969667)

TiVo has several HD models already - at least in conjunction with DirecTV. I have an HD TiVo with 550GB storage and it is great!

Re:Another Yahoo Vs. Google story? (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969945)

The standalone HD Tivo comes out in 2006. They are waiting for the CableCard 2.0 spec to be finalized, which IMO, is the right thing to do. CableCard 2.0 truly allows you to replace your cable box with Tivo since you'll have access to on-demand programming and the other interactive features of digital cable service. CableCard 1.0 is half-assed--it will let you decode the premium channels and that's about it.

Re:Another Yahoo Vs. Google story? (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969662)

Instead of "Google's announcement," you should have said "that blog post I read speculating about Google." They're not the same.

Tivo question (4, Interesting)

RandoX (828285) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969378)

Don't have a Tivo, but wondered, does it require a separate internet connection or does it get the listings through the cable, like digital cable does? Either way, how long until there's some exploit and everyone has to start patching their Tivo on a weekly basis? Tivo antivirus, Tivo firewall. Surely there's enough storage and processing power inside one to be useful to someone who controls a couple thousand of them...

Re:Tivo question (2, Informative)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969404)

Don't have a Tivo, but wondered, does it require a separate internet connection

Separate internet connection.

I fail to see how TiVo is any more vulnerable than an average Linux machine. It should be even less, since the machine itself makes the connection to homebase. It doesn't allow incoming connection (you can open a terminal through the serial port, but that's it).

Re:Tivo question (4, Informative)

kyouteki (835576) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969414)

It acutally "dials home" with an internal modem nightly to retrieve data from TiVo's servers. Or, as an alternative, you can get a USB network connector and it'll grab stuff more or less instantly.

If you read the Yahoo-Tivo signup page, it'll say, "Your request will be automatically sent to your home the next time your TiVo box connects. Please allow one hour if your TiVo is connected to broadband through your home network, 36 hours if your TiVo uses dialup."

Re:Tivo question (1)

meadot01 (929178) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970240)

Actually depends on the tivo. For Directv listings are downloaded through satellite. It does still need either phone or network to get account status and do pay-per-view.

The Missing Link (5, Interesting)

cfulmer (3166) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969403)

This is very strategic and potentially very market-disruptive.

There are any number of players trying to deliver video over the internet -- the Yahoo guy in charge of their video was quoted by the NYT as saying that we will have an unlimited number of channels in the future. The NBC Nightly news is going on-line. Major-league baseball has been streaming games all season. Every media company in the world would love the ability to sell directly to consumers without having to go through Blockbuster, DirectTV or cable pay-per-view. But, as long as the picture shows up on a computer screen and not on a TV screen, it'll be a niche market. But, if the same 36-in TV that you watched 'Lost' on ABC can be used to watch the 'Lost' you got from itunes, well, that's a different story. Tivo is perfectly positioned to allow this to happen.

One big problem with this is bandwidth. Unfortunately, the people who lose by having more TV go over the Internet are the same ones who control bandwidth. Is your cable TV company going to say "Hey. Let's take some of the bandwidth that we're using to provide high-profit pay-per-view video and use it to fatten our Internet pipes instead"? Ideally, they'd be forced to by their competitors, but the main competition to cable modems is DSL, and all the phone companies are trying to do video as well.

Push it ahead (1)

fiendo (217830) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969424)

Connecting your Tivo to an online broadcast directory like Yahoo's is fine--essentially working with an online TV Guide to program your Tivo.

How about taking it the next step and including directories for video podcasts, iFilm, or even offloading your digital video camera while you're still on vacation, from the hotel room?

Boycott (4, Interesting)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969429)

No thanks, TiVo. I've been boycotting you since you denied me the right to save my shows as long as I like [pvrblog.com] and forced me to opt-out of a user profiling program into which I never opted. [com.com]

I will be much happier when Google TV allows me to schedule recordings on my standards-compliant MythTV DVR that I built myself.

Tivo in Europe? (0)

MadJo (674225) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969432)

great, and when will TiVo be available in Europe?

Re:Tivo in Europe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13969461)

What do you need TiVo for in Europe? It's for people with modern technology, like TVs--obviously only Americans have that.

Re:Tivo in Europe? (1)

badfish99 (826052) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969567)

We had them some time ago, but they seem to have given up selling them: see Tivo UK [tivo.co.uk] . They were never very popular.

Good commercials in EU (1)

Licorice101 (841266) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969757)

That's because in Europe they have naked people in their commercials. Who would want to Tivo through that!?

Ya-who? (-1, Troll)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969444)

Tivo seems dead to me. I bought the first model the day it came out. Now I have an XPMCE server that is 500 times better.

Yahoo? Do people still use Yahoo, or AOL for that matter? Google is my answer, Yahoo hasn't been used by me in 5 years.

The initial features don't seem modest, they seem lame. What would future features be? Ads?

Sure, it sounds egotistical, but I don't hear much about either. The $50 Tvios at my local Circuit City are still collecting dust.

Merger to try to save their outdated businesses? Keep beating the horse, folks, she's almost dead.

Re:Ya-who? (2)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969471)

You use XPMCE? Hello!! MythTV is 500 times better than Windows XP Media Centre Edition. It's free, extensible with all sorts of skins and plugins that are also free, and it imposes no content restrictions. I can't believe you paid $2,000 for a device that requires that you accept a restrictive EULA.

However, I approve of your choice of search engine. Thank you for using Google, the most popular and therefore best search engine there is. Please continue not to use Yahoo!.

Re:Ya-who? (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969558)

I don't use Yahoo for search, but I do use it for email, weather, movie showtimes, Yellow Pages, maps, and other things on a daily basis. Yes, google provides some of these, but I like Yahoo's YP and maps better - and gmail always seems to be really slow for me. I use Google for a lot, but I also use Yahoo daily.

Re:Ya-who? (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969762)

I use my PDA phone for everything (including slashdot). If I need yellow pages or weather or movie showtimes, I send an SMS message on my phone to 46645 (googl). I get back the info I need in seconds or less and its always accurate. Weather, stocks, movie listings, phone numbers, etc. Yahoo (and Google) online are too bulky.

As for maps, my PDA has a GPS with up-to-date maps and I'm very happy with it. I believe I paid $69 for the GPS and the mapping software. Prices continue to drop.

Re:Ya-who? (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970036)

I believe I paid $69 for the GPS and the mapping software. Prices continue to drop.

*shrug* That's $69 more than I've paid for all software total in the past probably year. You also had to pay for the PDA/phone and its internet access.

Yahoo is free. So was my cel phone, so it can't do any of that fancy stuff. Hell, I can't even send/receive test messages without paying 5c each. But I don't use text messages, so it doesn't bother me.

Some of us have a limited amount to spend on gadgets and their connectivity.

How much did you spend? (2, Interesting)

Quevar (882612) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969579)

And how much more money did you spend on your XPMCE? A TiVo costs $50 and fits nicely right above my cable box. Do you really like the huge box sitting next to it and cost what $1500? XPMCE isn't going to be replacing people's TiVo's until the price and form factor actually work in the living room.

Re:How much did you spend? (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969787)

Time preference. The $1500 versus $50 is inconsequential for me and my time. I am not wealthy by any means, but the $1450 difference is paid for in about 15 hours of time saved. Just the paying of the Tivo bill takes a little bit every month (and costs money). My MCE does much more than I could believe.

Then again, when I bought the first Tivo, everyone jumped on me saying I was crazy then to spend so much. My MCE encodes all my favorite shows into a PDA format and instantly syncs it with my PDA so I have my shows on the go for when I'm bored (in the car when I have a driver, etc).

As for form factor, my MCE box is tiny. It is a little taller than my old cable box, and the same width. The Wife Acceptance Factor is higher with the MCE than with Tivo. And she HATED MythTV and Meedio and all the other BYOPVR cheap or OSS software out there. The MCE box runs up to 6 tuners (I tested it but only need 2 SD and 2 HD) and it never crashes and it fills in every need at home, including groceries.

Re:How much did you spend? (1)

Quevar (882612) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969988)

I only wish $1450 could be inconsequential.... Paying a bill takes maybe one minute a month, or just buy the lifetime and be done with it. Still cheaper than MCE.

Glad it suits your needs - you're one of the few I've heard good things about it from.

Re:How much did you spend? (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970294)

I only wish $1450 could be inconsequential.... Paying a bill takes maybe one minute a month, or just buy the lifetime and be done with it. Still cheaper than MCE.

How does it take "maybe one minute a month"? Does TiVo have some sort of "Bill Me" option that I'm unaware of? They automatically charge my credit card in my case.

Re:How much did you spend? (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970375)

I think many more "geeks" would find $1450 inconsequential if they accepted more of the anarchocapitalist "time preference" view on life. Honestly, many of my friends should value their worth at a minimum of $150 per hour, but most don't. I can't figure it out. I never finished college, haven't the drive or responsibility that most have, but I can live a better life just because I know my value? It doesn't make sense.

Time is so very short for most, but when you understand the value of every minute of every day, time goes by at a very decent pace. I understand the joy of using free or cheaper items, and the profit you receive is added joy in exchange for more time spent (or in my case, lost). I have certain joys in life as well, and they are costly in terms of time preference but profitable in terms of joy.

I guess that's the selling point of liberty/freedom/capitalism or whatever people may label my rants -- the honest knowledge of what you are worth at any given time, and the stronger belief that you're in control of receiving that worth. Never once have I complained about crappy pay, because I knew that I was paid for what I performed. I have a few employees who I openly push to compete with me because I KNOW I am ripping them off, yet my market would not pay me enough to pay them. I hate seeing people working for less than they could be making.

Re:How much did you spend? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13970075)

I tested it but only need 2 SD and 2 HD

Question - Did you actually test recording with 2 HD tunners? I would be on the verge of calling BS but I am more interested on your setup to be able to do that.

Re:How much did you spend? (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970556)

Yes, 2 HD cable tuners works fine. I have had zero problems with it. My biggest repeated problem is with my Hauppauge MCE 150 SD capture card and losing sound about 10% of the time. Very frustrating, but I'm too lazy to fix it :)

If you have access to cable HDTV, just get a (mandated by law unfortunately) firewire-output HDTV tuner and use timmmoore's software [thegreenbutton.com] . I hope that is the link, as TGB doesn't display well on my PDA browser so I couldn't confirm it.

At one point, I actually had 4 SDTV and 2 HDTV tuners working in MCE but my processor choked. Nowadays, we have 1 TV just for the cats (Xbox Extender) who love Queer Eye, go figure, and 1 TV in the bedroom using an Xbox Extender, 1 HDTV in the living room and I have my projector toy room that strictly plays HD WMV's off the MCE "server." The MCE box actually runs fine with a 1.8Ghz Intel processor. Most people's problems with MCE seem to deal with bad software integration, driver difficulties, or bad hardware to begin with. I have had very few problems period.

Re:Ya-who? (1)

Mordaximus (566304) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969732)

If you haven't looked at yahoo in 5 years, you're hardly in a position to form a valid comparison. Besides you seem to be comparing Yahoo's search engine to Google's.

Google chat's user base is dwarfed by Yahoo. There is likely an order of magnitude more Yahoo mail users than gmail. And I believe that Yahoo's index is larger than Google's.

It's all fine and dandy to be a google fanboy though I suppose.

P.S. If google is all that, why the hotmail address?

Re:Ya-who? (1)

Lordrashmi (167121) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970388)

Just curious, how much did your XPMCE cost? I am guessing it was a tad bit more then $50 from circuit city. Also, did you have to spend any time to set it up to work with dual tuners?

As a final bit of information, please list all the reasons it is 500 times better. I *REALLY* want to see all these reasons.

Mergers? (3, Funny)

stinerman (812158) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969460)

Ladies and gentlemen, begin your merger rumours!

Interesting ... but what will the call the new company?

Tihoo! or Yahvo!?

Re:Mergers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13969522)

T!voY

Re:Mergers? (1)

cybermage (112274) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969527)

Interesting ... but what will the call the new company?

Let's see:

Yahoo! market cap: 53.10B
TiVo market cap: 449M

I think the new company will be called Yahoo! and TiVo will be a division/subsidiary at best.

Merger? (1)

wolenczak (517857) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969477)

C'mon, that would be an acquisition not a merger.

OT: MOD points getting hard to get rid of. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13969504)

I don't know about other moderators but I see a $hit load of comments modded at +5. Looks like we have a repeat of the MOD point plague.

Re:OT: MOD points getting hard to get rid of. (1)

isotpist (857411) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969741)

The problem is that there are so few worthwhile posts to mod up.
I have points today and had trouble finding a way to use them.

Tivo's death has already begun (2, Insightful)

Chowser (888973) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969515)

Tivo is going to be hard to resurrect. Their death started accelerating when they started their DRM schemes recently (i.e., machines deleting recorded programs after a certain amount of time).

As with all DVR story, the obligatory rejoinder: (1)

Pfhreakaz0id (82141) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969524)

.. but I've been able to do that on my ReplayTV for years! I go to myreplaytv.com and can browse my shows, marks for record/deletions, etc. Of course, ReplayTv has been marketed for crap and has been sold/went bankrupt several times... oh well.

Re:As with all DVR story, the obligatory rejoinder (1)

Manchot (847225) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969929)

Tivo's also been able to do it for years. Now, instead of using Tivo.com to do it, you can use Yahoo's listings.

Re:As with all DVR story, the obligatory rejoinder (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970068)

It's been possible on my.tivo.com for some time as well. I find the integration with Yahoo convenient, because my.tivo.com was designed by congenital morons.

Re:As with all DVR story, the obligatory rejoinder (1)

Pfhreakaz0id (82141) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970197)

ah! didn't know that. well, I wouldn't call the myreplay.tv.com site a shining example of UI, either. Interestingly, after they were sold, there was a posting on avsforums.com about how they had an ad wanting someone to reverse-engineer the site (I think all they had were the compiled java in a .war file) and document it. Guess they didn't get the source repository! Sounded like an interesting job.

Re:As with all DVR story, the obligatory rejoinder (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970283)

Some day, Tivo will do something dumb enough that I'll kick it to the curb and roll my own. But, for now, the hijinks are below my pain threshold.

Not the first partner for this. (1)

Disoculated (534967) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969546)

I still don't think that this is going to change anything for TiVo (good or bad). "Tivo users will be able to find programs in Yahoo!'s listings and send them to Tivo to record", but AOL users have been able to do this for quite some time, and I don't think that it has much benefit over Tivo's own selection page. I doubt Yahoo's will either.

Ladies (0, Offtopic)

khedron the jester (888418) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969561)

Ladies and gentlemen,

Cue ob /. joke...

No Support For Dual Providers? (1)

giantsfan89 (536448) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969566)

On Yahoo! TV you cannot add channels from two sources, such as satellite and cable, even though you can with the Tivo online scheduling service.

I was going to show this Yahoo! thing to my wife to show her how to record shows by herself, but not anymore!

Re:No Support For Dual Providers? (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970153)

How does your Tivo handle dual providers? How does it know which channel to record on?

Excellent Idea! (0, Offtopic)

CPT Carl (222361) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969597)

I think this is such an excellent idea. Let's award them a statue for all their hard work. I think we just need to give this guy a remote, and it will fit the bill... http://www.flickr.com/photos/kentbrew/60225257/in/ photostream/ [flickr.com]

In Solvat Russia... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13969699)

Tivo connect services to you!!!

No, it's not what you're thinking... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13969760)

"Ladies and gentlemen, begin your merger rumours!"

No, ladies and gentlemen, this is kinky sex at best. It's an all physical affair where the sex will seem very good and the couple might seem to click, but there's something missing there that will keep it from being a successful relationship. Yahoo sure looks good and may have all the physical features you want, but doesn't have what it takes inside to make the "merger" work.

Tivo should have held out for Google - beautiful outside and beautiful inside.

Doom! (1)

Xarius (691264) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969833)

More on the death of TiVo after this commercial break!

This makes NO sense (1)

Electric Eye (5518) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969893)

I have TiVo (and now can't imagine life w/o it 11 months later) and I don't understand why this announcement is even remotely important. Why? Because when you have a TiVo and register your DVR through their web site you can do all the internet scheduling you want (https://www3.tivo.com/tivo-tco/index.do [tivo.com] ). This Yahoo deal just duplicates that. What am I missing?

Is it just my imagination... (1)

pythonic42 (880816) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969912)

...or is TiVo one step away from being squashed by Apple's iTMS? What's to prevent Apple from offering a monthly subscription service with content from weekly TV shows (commercials included) being downloaded to your machine overnight through iTunes? After which, you can either sync it to your video iPod, or send it directly to your TV set (see the the new iMac models). Or, even better, run an s-video cable from your iPod to your set -- essentially giving you a super portable TiVo box that you can take with you on vacation, to pacify the kids. Am I crazy, or is this a likely scenario?

Re:Is it just my imagination... (1)

Electric Eye (5518) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969998)

I don't think that scenario sounds all that appealing. This way, you'd have to pay for EVERY show you want to wait to download. Let's say you record 15 shows per week. Going by Apple's prices, that's roughly $30/wk. x 52, that's around $1500, no? My lifetime Tivo sub cost me $300. Oh and you wouldn't be able to pause live TV. Having to take my iPod and hook it up to the TV every time I wanted to watch one ofmy programs would be a major pain in the ass.

I'm not saying Apple won't contonue to push the envelope here, but your scenario makes no real sense.

Re:Is it just my imagination... (1)

pythonic42 (880816) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970796)

I agree Apple would have to change the pricing model of the TV portion of iTMS to match TiVo's, probably subsidized by advertisers embedding commercials in the shows -- the same as TV today. That could make the pricing extremely comparable to TiVo/cable/satellite (unlimited download of weekly shows for $20/month, perhaps). Also, the iPod device represents an optional 'mobile' component of the system. If you wanted to run video/sound direclty from your iMac/MacMini to one of the multiple input ports available on TVs today (my Sony HD Vega has inputs for up to 6 video/audio sources), go right ahead (think Apple has a handheld remote to facilitate this). You wouldn't need the video iPod, unless you wanted video 'on the go' (i.e., subway ride/vacation/etc.). Thoughts?

Just wondering (3, Insightful)

max born (739948) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969918)

Don't know why the TV producers don't embed their their content with some kind of banner advertising (that's either difficult of not worth the effort of removing) and distribute the content themselves over the net using P2P (like bittorrent). Thus bypassing Tivo, Microsoft, Yahoo and all the others and letting consumers decide how they watch it (big screen, laptop, mobile phone, etc.). Presumably they'd reach a wider audience and make more from advertising.

Of course this would also bypass the current Neilsen rating system [nielsenmedia.com] and confuse advertisers but I'm sure they could find another method of rating popularity (e.g. number of hits/downloads, etc.).

Nothing Exciting Here (4, Interesting)

hexix (9514) | more than 8 years ago | (#13969982)

As much as I would love to get excited about this and hope that it gives me new things to play with on my Tivo, I'm doubtful. Tivo already has their home media extensions library where apps on a computer can publish themselves on the network and display custom screens on the Tivo. From what i've seen so far, cool things can be done but it's very hard to make the interface useable.

The highly regarded tivo interface already seems to be falling apart. They're trying to tack on too many sources for additional ad revenue. The main screen usually has two extra advertising items, which by no surprise are the ones that stand out the most. They're desperately trying to add on features to make the tivo more of a home media box than just a tv recorder. Which is cool, but they must have fired all their original developers and outsourced to india or something, cause the new features feel like tacked-on afterthoughts.

For example, there's a cool new feature that will share a directory on your PC with video files so that it shows up in Tivo's now playing list. Very cool, until you try using it. First off, the files need to be in a format the tivo understands, and I can't fault them for that, it'd be hard to allow the tivo to decode every possible codec. Although, if they're serious about this home media thing, they really should at least try. I think it'll just play MPEG right now. Second, once you locate a video you'd like to watch, selecting it and hitting play doesn't play it. You need to first select the video so that you see the details, then you need to select "Transfer this video". After doing this, you will be given an option of watching it while it transfers, but on my 802.11b wireless network, the transfer isn't anywhere near fast enough to watch on the fly. Trying to do so seems to confuse the tivo, since this whole watching as a show downloads from the network feature is really just a crappy hack. If you do wait for the transfer, you can then watch the show, but it's now taking up space on your tivo, so what's the freaking point of having it on your PC?

I'm sorry for getting a bit sidetracked on one particular feature, but I think it's indicative of a growing trend over at Tivo. They're trying to make a feature list instead of a good product. All the new features that sound really cool, starting with Tivo ToGo, end up working like total crap. I still can't transfer videos recorded on my tivo to my mac without hacking to the tivo. It's been almost a year.

So I guess what I'm trying to say with this rant is don't bother getting excited about this. It'll just be a few tacked on a features that nobody will ever use because they're just a kludge implementation so that they can list it as a feature on their website.

This isn't all they're doing ... (1)

TallMatthew (919136) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970004)

Yahoo is investigating partnerships with other DVR makers in order to deliver content to the set-top box. Any DVR that has broadband capabilities would in theory be able to deliver vast catalogs of movies on demand, siphoning all the revenue left from the Blockbusters and NetFlixes of the world. That's serious bank.

It's not just the Yahoos and DVR makers who are maneuvering around this eventuality: broadband providers, most notably SBC, will be aggressively marketing DVRs with enhanced services like Yahoo's to their subscriber base when they roll out HDSL. SBC's HDSL service is called LightSpeed and it's expected to beta in central Texas within the next few months. Good stuff.

As a TiVo stockholder... (3, Insightful)

Gruneun (261463) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970064)

Obviously, I'll take just about anything that can resurrect some of the money I pissed away on them.

Don't get me wrong, I love TiVo. I have the HD DVR, several DirecTV DVRs, and some standalone boxes in my closet. I can't imagine not having it. Myth, Freevo, and all the other clones are ok, but you can't beat TiVo for simplicity.

However, TiVo is dying and will soon be dead. For the average person, the DRM isn't as bad as some other posters have pointed out and will be temporarily viewed as a nuisance until the behavior is commonplace. The nail in the coffin will come when the DirecTV contract expires and they're dropped as the sole DVR. DirecTV is sending up new satellites for local HD channels, they'll push HD harder than ever, new equipment will be necessary, and even the current HD TiVo will be incapable of taking advantage of the new signals. When the push comes, DirecTV would be crazy not to have a new, non-TiVo DVR and not a damn thing will save TiVo, then.

Remember when Saturn started making cars and they were on top of the game with their no-haggle, reliable, safety-first, "made in the USA" reputation? They got complacent, cranked out the same boring cars year-after-year, and now even their sweet, new roadster can't pull them from a destiny of medocrity. That's TiVo, now.

When can I get My Yahoo! on TiVo (2, Interesting)

seanfuller (265807) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970280)

I just want to know when I can get to my Yahoo mail and other web pages on TiVo. I've got a broadband connection. TiVo is a linux box, right? I just don't understand why I can't surf the web on it.

TiVO is dead to me (1)

wardk (3037) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970458)

Until they re-support Macintosh, TiVO is "dead to me"

ReplayTV - DVArchive (1)

meehawl (73285) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970721)

ReplayTV's DVArchive [dvarchive.org] is Java-based and platform agnostic.

I did Yahoo/TiVo - It's a little big thing (1)

macslut (724441) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970895)

I happened to notice this last night as soon as it went live. This is nothing more than what already exists with TiVo.com and a Series 2 connected to the Net.

When you're on a tv.yahoo.com page, you'll see links to TiVo. You click on that link and you're presented with the old TiVo.com web programming pages, only with the tv show you selected from Yahoo.

From a tech perspective this was probably somebody's weekend project. Nothing to see here kinda thing.

From a biz-dev perspective, this probably took a lot longer, and the result is actually a nice win-win.

TiVo.com sucks. It has always sucked. Yahoo, IMHO, is a pretty decent site. As a Yahoo member, I'm now far more likely to go to Yahoo to program my TiVo. The experience is much better and fits in with what I'm already doing at Yahoo.

Of course, it would be nice if Yahoo could show what I have recorded on my TiVo, but maybe that's phase 2.

Oh, and as for security...it appears as though you need to log in to your Yahoo account *and* have your TiVo account activated for Yahoo, as well as your TiVo activated for Web programming.

Will TiVo ever be safe? (1)

Schnapple (262314) | more than 8 years ago | (#13970948)

We used to all think that Yahoo! was going away soon. Now they're pretty much safe.

We used to all think that AOL was going away soon. Now they're pretty much safe.

We used to all think that Apple was going away soon. Now they're pretty much safe.

We all think TiVo is going away soon, but they've partnered with Netflix, Yahoo, Comcast, etc. They're inking deals and still quite active. I think people would like them to die based off of their courting of the industries through DRM but perhaps that's a false sense of security for the networks?

If TiVo keeps it going at this rate for a few more years, will they ever be considered "safe"?

Why not an open web service? (1)

jacoplane (78110) | more than 8 years ago | (#13971072)

I'm wish there was some sort of open standard for this kind of thing. Personally, I don't like to use Yahoo (Using http://www.tviv.org/ [tviv.org] ) and I think I should be able to use any indexing service I like. Should be easy for Tivo to create some simple web service.
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