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Morfik and Rapid Development of Modern Web Apps

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the only-revolutionary-if-it-takes-hold dept.

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Bobby Jasper writes to tell us that The Firebird Database Community News has an interesting writeup on Morfik, a new development tool for beginning web applications. Morfik boasts increased developer productivity going so far as to draw comparisons between themselves and the current industry as VB 1.0 was to GUI development. After five years of development they are getting ready to release an evaluation version of their software, might be worth a look.

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realy? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977521)

So it's the First,Post VB, gui like tool?

Re:realy? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977630)

That my friend, was brilliant *applause*

Off topic but funny... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977529)

Type "failure" into google and click "I'm Feeling Lucky"

windows only (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977540)

Morfik development environment itself is a Windows application

You might have mentioned that in the writeup so non-MSCEs
didn't waste their time reading TFA

Re:windows only (5, Informative)

jurt1235 (834677) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977604)

They could have saved themselves several years of development by using opensource. A tool similar to morfik (MVC model, ajax development, some datamodelling) is for example this one: http://swerl.tudelft.nl/twiki/pub/Main/AvailableOp enProjects/backbase-eclipse.doc [tudelft.nl]

There are probably a lot more (google on +eclipse +plugin +ajax gives 234.000 hits)

Re:windows only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977710)

So I can find out more about open source development by reading a word document?
well I never!

Re:windows only (0)

jurt1235 (834677) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977751)

Morfix is not OSS, this tool this doc is about is not OSS either.
Anyway: According to Microsoft you could learn more about Open Source by reading a word document, yes (-:.
It was just the first usefull link for this post, did not want to analyze all 234.000 to see which one fits best, and which is in an "open" format. If I post a link to an OpenOffice document, even more people will complain.

Re:windows only (-1, Offtopic)

Tarwn (458323) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977959)

Yes, because we all know that only MCSEs and Microsoft fanboys would ever care about a development tool on a Microsoft platform. Everyone else has freed themselves from the tyranny and evil that is Microsoft. Real geeks wouldn't touch their products with their cubemates yard stick, except maybe to push the LiveCD into the tray, and even then the yardstick would have to be ritually burned. It's a good thing we programmers determine exactly which servers a company will use and set all of the guidelines for the technology.

In other words, just because you feel that Windows and Windows-based software is a waste of time, doesn't mean that some of the rest of us are willing to treat programming as something other than a religion and take the time to examine other possibilities for a specific platform. But thank you for your input, it helps when I see a comment like yours first thing in the morning. It helps me keep perspective on my own dislikes, to remind me that even if I do have a Linux machine on my desk, I have not fanatically assumed that no good software could be written on another platform. Maybe that puts me further back in the line for the kool-aid, but I like to think it puts me closer to the real programmers who are interested less in the platform and more in what can be done with it.

Well its got the buzzwords (5, Insightful)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977541)

"Revolutionary new", "smart client" , "feature-rich", "unplugged", "ground breaking".

Perhaps I'm a cynic but I always feel that a products real value is inversely proportional to
the amount of marketdroid BS in the write-ups. If I'm correct then this is just Yet-Another-IDE
that is (and wow, like this is so radical dude , well if would be if it was 1990 again) - a Smart
Client! Jeez... how many times we been here before?

No kidding (2, Insightful)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977624)

I tend to agree.

Besides, wasn't Slashdot just bashing Visual Studio [slashdot.org] and other "shake 'n bake" development tools? Why is this "unplugged" and "groundbreaking" new IDE so great? It "rots brains" faster?

Look ma! Morfik made a web-based CRM app, and I helped!

Faster != better when you have no idea how your application works or what makes it tick. Needing to call tech support when your web form breaks for some reason is not a step forward in development.

Re:Well its got the buzzwords (4, Insightful)

a.d.trick (894813) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977662)

Indeed. Not to mention that "smart client" is actually a Bad Thing. The web is egalitarian and ideally a web site or web application should be able to cater to all User Agents, whether they're smart or dumb. Things like asyncronus server requests through javascript should be the icing on the cake.

They are trying to use javascript way more than it should be. Program logic should be on the server side and when it is not you start having lots of problems with security holes as well as bugs because browsers have buggy javascript interpreters.

Re:Well its got the buzzwords (1)

rjshields (719665) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977669)

But how else can a marketdroid explain this to another marketdroid? They haven't got a hope in hell of understanding the technical documentation. You and I can skip past the bullshit-bingo to the real stuff (if it exists).

Re:Well its got the buzzwords (5, Funny)

rjshields (719665) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977683)

Could it be that this development tool is aimed at other marketdroids? I can just imagine them dragging in some feature-rich controls and clicking the "generate ground breaking web app" button.

Re:Well its got the buzzwords (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978086)

They worked for five (5!) years on a tool which makes development faster.
Couldn't they just iterated the development of it on itself; they could have finished it in a few months.
Or is it only really fast for boilerplate applications?

Great! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977542)

I have been waiting for something like this, finally I can merge the syntactic and semantic elegance of VB with the power and speed of a compiled language with a fast WYSIWYG development and deployment cycle!

Re:Great! (1)

LarsWestergren (9033) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977729)

Don't forget the transparency and maintainability you get from a "tight integration of web server, database, and application content", coupled with a high dependence on JavasScript magic for client views, server controller AND networking!

I feel bad bashing enthusiastic startups, but really, they need to come up with some better selling arguments than quick prototyping and eye candy. I am getting SOOO fed up with the Ajax and "Web 2.0" hype.

Re:Great! (2, Interesting)

estebanf (814656) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978547)

lol
check the page source code. You can read a "Generated by Morfik XS http//www.morfik.com" on top... and then realize that the generated code is not compliant with xhtml or html strict.... So using ccs2 with this "mega tool" will be another pain in the ass.
Good job pionners! [morfik.com]

Pretty cool (0, Redundant)

junki3 (882332) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977543)

From the article:
Morfik offers a revolutionary Javascript synthesis technology that allows developers to use a high-level language of their choice to create an application comprised purely of HTML and Javascript.

Pretty cool, but I could not find any info on what languages they support. From the screenshots it looks like VB.

Does anyone have any more info?

Re:Pretty cool (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977577)

Pretty cool, but I could not find any info on what languages they support.

Also from the article:

"The application logic is written in the developer's object oriented syntax of choice (currently Morfik Basic, Morfik Pascal, Morfik C# or Morfik Java)"

So, had ya actually read the article...

Re:Pretty cool (1)

Fahrenheit 450 (765492) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978392)

So basically, you can choose any language you want. So long as it comes from their dizzying array of... four?

Um... yay?

Paid (4, Funny)

dg41 (743918) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977544)

OK, who paid for the Slashdot press release on this?

Re:Paid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13979125)

I did, and it put us back by $100,000USD!!! Mr Rob Malda (CowboyNeal) recommended a few ways to get that paid off by some insurance company... but those details are classified. By the way don't make these details into general public knowledge (like by wasting mod points and modding it up) I might get in deep shit.

Interesting, but... (3, Insightful)

BladeMelbourne (518866) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977547)

Interesting, but in every company I have worked at; the language used depends upon the current hosting environment used by the client.

I'm all for "increased developer productivity", however in the work place I have yet to even use Ruby.

Oh well, .NET 2.0 is sure to kill me (or fry my chip due to the CPU requirements or their IDEs) so I guess it doesn't matter anyway.

Kill kill kill (1)

jurt1235 (834677) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977570)

Hey, maybe you should discuss this with Steve Jobs. He is locking Mac OS X on intel with a special chip. It should be possible to use a same kind of chip to lock out certain OS too. That way you won't have the risk of IDEs frying you or your CPU.

Lot's of nice words, but where is the software? (4, Insightful)

master_p (608214) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977557)

For something so grand as they claim, their first job would be to post an evaluation download for everyone to see. I followed the links, but I found nothing; I only found lots of buzzwords, claims and hype.

I don't claim Morfik is vaporware. But let's see it first, and then we can say if it is indeed 'VB 1.0 for the web'.

Re:Lot's of nice words, but where is the software? (2, Informative)

desplesda (742182) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977640)

It's not vapourware, since I worked on it for a while over the summer. It's actually pretty decent system for getting together a working web application - you program the system in a language very similar to Delphi, and it creates for you an executable that has Apache and Firebird embedded in it - it's a RAD solution, sure, but for home users, it's also a thing to double click on and all of a sudden your computer's a web server, and you can manage your finances, run a calendar, do your bookmarking, et cetera.

Re:Lot's of nice words, but where is the software? (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977656)

"you program the system in a language very similar to Delphi,"

Oh great, yet another language and API to learn. Wouldn't it have been simpler
for everyone if it was a C++/C#/VB API you programmed to?

"and all of a sudden your computer's a web server, "

Trojan writers will have a field day with this thing.

Re:Lot's of nice words, but where is the software? (2, Interesting)

desplesda (742182) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977667)

It turns out you can write it in other languages. After I left, it appears they added support for C#, VB, and others. As to being a host to trojans, I think that there are a few more dangerous threats out there than a web server. A web server can't act like Back Orifice does, unless there's some serious hacking going on with the program that Morfik's made to compile.

Re:Lot's of nice words, but where is the software? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977739)

If it's sitting on your computer, why not just a desktop app? There's RAD tools for the desktop, too...

Re:Lot's of nice words, but where is the software? (1)

l3v1 (787564) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977746)

and it creates for you an executable that has Apache and Firebird embedded in it

Good god.

And with that, I'm speechless for the rest of the day.

Re:Lot's of nice words, but where is the software? (1)

rjshields (719665) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977901)

Not only Apache and Firebird, but a database engine and all the other middleware crap that it uses.

Re:Lot's of nice words, but where is the software? (0)

ThinkingInBinary (899485) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977932)

I am going to mod you -1, Doesn't understand Mozilla history ;-)

The reason Firebird was renamed to Firefox was that Firebird is also the name of an open-source (I think) database engine. So the Firebird they include is, I believe, the database engine.

Re:Lot's of nice words, but where is the software? (1)

rjshields (719665) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977972)

Ah sorry, bad wording on my part. I actually meant the database engine and middleware crap that Morfik uses.

Re:Lot's of nice words, but where is the software? (3, Insightful)

rjshields (719665) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977917)

and it creates for you an executable that has Apache and Firebird embedded in it

Good god.
Welcome to the 100Mb calendar application.

Re:Lot's of nice words, but where is the software? (1)

FFCecil (623749) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977688)

I haven't gone to their website yet, but the post does say they are getting ready to release an evaluation version, and not that it's already released.

Languages & Morfik (4, Insightful)

jurt1235 (834677) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977558)

Morfik claims to be the next generation IDE. Totally for the webbrowser. So what do they build it with: Delphi.
That is not being true to yourself. Build an AJAX version than to show the power of what you believe in.
An AJAX version would also make the more and more preferred development environments accessible to them: Mac OS X and Linux (Around me I hear more and more developers choosing for Linux as their main platform, and if Apple would release OS X for the cheap intel hardware, that they will try that too, at least just to see).

Re:Languages & Morfik (1)

desplesda (742182) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977654)

You really want to build a compiler in Javascript?

Re:Languages & Morfik (1)

shatteredsilicon (755134) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977728)

Compiler for what? JavaScript is interpreted, so no compilation is necessary.If you are writing an app 100% in JavaScript, you might want to "compile" your app into a single page containing all the CSS, JavaScript and HTML, but I wouldn't exactly call that compiling.

Compiler for what? (1)

civilizedINTENSITY (45686) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978656)

rtfa: "implement the business logic of their application in a high-level object-oriented language of their choice. Morfik then automatically compiles this code into a JavaScript AJAX engine."

Also: "The process is a true compilation and avoids boilerplates or code snippet libraries. The source code is put through a parser which includes a tokenizer and syntax analyzer. The parser output is then passed to a semantic map builder which creates a detailed semantic map that conveys the entire 'meaning' of the application - a technique in widespread use by CAD systems.

Finally a synthesizer uses this map to create JavaScript (or optionally, obfuscated JavaScript!) code which is semantically identical to the original source and conveys the same 'meaning'."

Re:Languages & Morfik (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977734)

Why not? There's nothing inherently bad with the language. And most of the time time you're compiling from one C derived language to another, and you don't really care about the readability and maintainability of the output (unlike in a conversion tool). You don't have any complicated optimizations to do like when you are compiling to machine language, and you don't have to worry about sqeezing all that logic into a handful of registers and primitive operations.

Re:Languages & Morfik (1)

CaseyB (1105) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977789)

Why not? There's nothing inherently bad with the language.

You can't be serious. The very worst thing about the AJAX phenomenon is that is has lended credibility to that godawful language.

Re:Languages & Morfik (1)

rjshields (719665) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977965)

You can't be serious. The very worst thing about the AJAX phenomenon is that is has lended credibility to that godawful language.
Ah yes, the world's most misunderstood programming language [crockford.com].

You might find that most of your beef with Javascript lies with its common implementations in web browsers, an entirely different thing to the language itself, and something that people often get confused.

Re:Languages & Morfik (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977997)

Always be clear on the distinction between a language and (a) its implementation and (b) the environment it operates in.

There is no sense I can think of in which javascript, as a language, is inferior to C, which is perfectly adequate for writing compilers of any complexity.

Re:Languages & Morfik (1)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977804)

" You really want to build a compiler in Javascript?"

" Why not? There's nothing inherently bad with the language."

Do you realize how complicated compilers are? Do you know how long it would take javascript to compile 100,000 lines of code? It has trouble just parsing some html (takes a couple seconds) and that's just looking for a couple specific tags! You've got to be joking.

Re:Languages & Morfik (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977976)

Yeah, I do.

But I also realize that all compilation tasks are not necessarily equally complex. I also am pretty sure that if you can write a compiler in C, you can also write one in Javascript.

Re:Languages & Morfik (1)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978244)

Sure you could, but why? Why accept horrid performance just to say that you could do it, expecially considering no one would ever use it without it being fast?

And although all compilation tasks arn't equally complex, some are VERY complex, and there are lots of variable tracking and linking, not to mention the inheritance and objects that must be handled. Maybe in environments beyond a browser, javascript can be much much faster, but in my personal experience it would be like asking an old man with a walker to travel 10 miles of foot.

I'm actually working on something like this (2, Interesting)

mandrake*rpgdx (650221) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977949)

I plan on making a PHP Visual IDE for PHP+AJAX applications. The whole concept will be something like VB (more like Delphi, since it will be OO) and runs in a browser. So far, it's in the basic beta stages, but it works really well. It uses PHP objects to represent CSS tags and HTML tags, and each "object" has actions that will call PHP code (the idea is to take learning an extra language out of AJAX programming, and to create a visual environment).

So, you'll be able to drag and drop and place visually images, text, text boxes, etc. Be able to code these objects to have key events, mouse over events, etc. All from the web browser.

And yes it will be open source, no it won't be free as in free beer, and yes there will be a single site evaluation version for people to use (either with only one site, or to just try out).

right now, the code name is FireFly.

Re:I'm actually working on something like this (1)

jurt1235 (834677) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978158)

Sorry to be crude here, but show me a sample and I believe you.

Re:I'm actually working on something like this (1)

mandrake*rpgdx (650221) | more than 8 years ago | (#13979005)

Your belief is not really important. Nor does it really matter. I could say wait a few months- but I think this project will take the better part of a year before coming close to even a beta stage. But, the idea is sound. And right now, that's got me working on it whenever possible.

Re:I'm actually working on something like this (1)

jurt1235 (834677) | more than 8 years ago | (#13979064)

Your post just sounded to me as hard to believe, trying to trick the /. crowd. If you really get this going, even if it is just proof of concept, it is already very cool.

Re:I'm actually working on something like this (1)

listen (20464) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978778)

You don't know what open source means, do you?

I think you meant to say "source available".

Re:I'm actually working on something like this (1)

mandrake*rpgdx (650221) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978982)

No, I mean that it will be out under a Perl artistic like lincense. That, the users can tinker with the source how they want to, but they won't be able to sell derivatives, or call the end product the same name as mine. Not *all* OSS is free as in free beer, or GPL based.

Re:Languages & Morfik (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978450)

You first have to build it in order to be able to dogfood it.

Why GMail? (-1, Redundant)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977564)

They have a Gmail trademark notice at on their page and I know GMail is a trademark of Google, but why would they have it at the bottom of their web page?

May be I should rephrase the question and ask...why don't they have "Hotmail is a registered trademark of M$?"

Are they affiliated to Google in any way? If so, they do not mention it anywhere on the page!

Re:Why GMail? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977586)

Because they give gmail as an example of the stuff that's not easy to do without morfik. Or so they claim.

Seaside (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977566)

www.seaside.st

This is really the way.

Yuo Fail I7 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977585)

Hobbyist dilettante 800 w/512 Megs of Recent Article put

What Morfik is (2, Informative)

axonis (640949) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977587)

Morfik is a professional Integrated Development Environment. The developer starts with designing the data layer in a visual environment similar to Microsoft Access or Microsoft Enterprise Manager. This is usually followed by the design of data base queries which again is carried out in a powerful visual environment. For the presentation layer the developer creates forms and reports using a familiar visual environment that resembles VB and Delphi. The application logic is written in the developer's object oriented syntax of choice (currently Morfik Basic, Morfik Pascal, Morfik C# or Morfik Java). There is also provision for developing web services. Once the individual components are defined and written, Morfik compiles the application into a single executable that incorporates a web server and database engine. This application demonstrates the behaviour of both web and desktop applications. The user can access the application through a browser on-line, off-line, locally and remotely. During the development cycle the developer has access to a comprehensive suit of debugging, profiling and testing facilities. Morfik applications are comprised purely of HTML and JavaScript yet the developer does not need to master these languages.

Re:What Morfik is (2, Insightful)

gtoomey (528943) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977716)

Yes your ad is all wel and good.

Why didnt the Morfik web site say that? Its marketing gobblygook.

Where are the web standards (4, Interesting)

zxSpectrum (129457) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977639)

Assuming that they actually eat their own dog food, and use their own tool to create their Own site [morfik.com], I wouldn't trust this tool. Their site is an inaccessible piece of table-based rubble with missing alternative texts all over the place. Not even Slashdot in it's old incarnation was this ugly, standards-wise.

Adding to that, their site is severly SEO-deoptimized, which might -- now that I think of it -- be a good thing to end-users, as this will undoubtedly reduce the spread of said markup rubble

Re:Where are the web standards (3, Insightful)

sgt101 (120604) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977670)

I think you've confused interactive site development with good site design. It's pretty easy to write a bad GUI for a stand alone app (desktop) in Java or C++, just as it's pretty easy to write a bad page design for a page centric app on the web. The point is that AJAX lets you write non-page centric apps on the web, and this tool supports that.

Actually, I take it as a good sign that they are focusing on their tech and not their site.

Re:Where are the web standards (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977745)


Actually, I take it as a good sign that they are focusing on their tech and not their site.


Well, logically you can only infer they are not focusing on their site.

In fact, I'd go further to say that since it's easy to hire a competent web designer, either they don't understand the importance of design, or they've confounded concerns in such a way that a web designer can't do anything with their site, or both.

Professionalism in one area may not be evidence of professionalism in another, but unprofessionalism is never is.

Re:Where are the web standards (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977928)

"Actually, I take it as a good sign that they are focusing on their tech and not their site."

Fine for any other company , but not for one that sells a web development tool.
It would be like someone selling themself as the worlds best car mechanic turning
up in some smoking , sputtering, rusting old clunker. Would you believe anything
he said if you saw that?

just signed up, could be good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977649)

I just signed up. AJAX *is* cool. Being able to write apps which work seamlessly in a sometimes-connected environment would be cool. Web deployment models for software are cool. Being able to have software work across platforms the same would be cool. Not having to have a customised local install would be cool. Not requiring plugins would be cool. Being able to remove my dependency on a particular disk would be cool. Being able to have a PC-on-USB with a minimal *nix install, a web browser and web application would be cool.

The vision is sound. Let us wait to see what is delivered.

-BM

(tee hee -- my image word is condom)

2nd time Tassie has appeared on ./ this week (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977666)

Wasn't a recent quote of the day on slashdot " You know, of course, that the Tasmanians, who never committed adultery, are now extinct. ~W. Somerset Maugham, The Bread-Winner"

Maybe that's why Tasmanians have been able to develop a software industry. No wasting time hanging around bars trying to pick up women. Just visit the relatives, quick pickup then back to coding :)

And yes, I did live in Tasmania for awhile and learnt the had way don't ever put down a person when speaking to someone about them, they are probably related !

Why is this even on /.?! (5, Insightful)

Qa1 (592969) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977711)

This is basically a commercial for some source software package. They haven't released code. They haven't even releasd a closed source evaluation version. All they "released" is some web page with lots of hysterical marketing hype and unsubstantiated vague buzzwords ("JST").

So why, again, is this on /.?

Re:Why is this even on /.?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977815)

Because is a new technology ? Because not only "open-source bigots" read Slashdot ?? Choose one!

Nice Slashad! (1)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977733)

So, cruising around their site, the only thing I can find is a bunch of marketing buzzwords and a screenshot of google.

I am sorry I gave these bozos any traffic.

cool looking site and screenshots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977735)

well i am a mech guy and my FEA prof always used to say this regarding the results

"My friends, dont get fooled by the colors"

thats what flashed in when i saw the website and screenshots!!
and ofcourse, theres no betaware to try out and check the true colors.

Unplugged? That's soooo 20th century! (1)

richieb (3277) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977777)

I think the demand for unplugged applications is on the way down and it's only going to get smaller. Just think, how useful your computer is when not connected to the network?

Re:Unplugged? That's soooo 20th century! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978663)

Very useful.

What the fuckity fuck? (5, Insightful)

kmmatthews (779425) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977779)

How can anyone possibly claim this isn't an ad?

It's an "article" for a CLOSED SOURCE, WIN32 VAPORWARE PRODUCT that LIKENS ITSELF TO VISUAL BASIC.

For god sakes, that's like saying "WOW!!! THIS IS AS FUN AS AIDS!"

ukfc slashdot (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977787)

fuck slashdot. btw the human client confirmation image is unreadable.

Morfik? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13977824)

I just want morfuk.

2 months to copy gmail with it?? (4, Funny)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977829)

From the site:
"To demonstrate these powerful capabilities, two Morfik programmers used Morfik JST to build a desktop version of Google's Gmail in just 2 months! The application they created is a pixel-by-pixel match of Gmail's interface and functionality, yet it also works offline just like standard email clients such as Microsoft Outlook..."

2 Months?! That doesn't sound like any rapid app development to me. I can go make a copy of gmail in about 3 hours just by downloading the HTML/javascript. Also, it "works" just like Outlook? I'm not sure that's a feature!

Re:2 months to copy gmail with it?? (1)

mandrake*rpgdx (650221) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977981)

Yeah I was thinking just the same thing. Two months? I doubt the google team took that long. Here's the problem I have with most Visual IDE environments- they can either expediate development or slow it down to a crawl. Sometimes theier ease of use goes against them, and makes things much more complicated than they need be.

Sadly misled..... (4, Funny)

ralf1 (718128) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977895)

My RSS feed truncated the title as "Morfik and Rapid Development of Modern We". Somehow my brain assumed "We" was going to be "weapons" - Morfik just seemed like a Defense Department kind of name for a top secret weapons project.

I was really hoping for some kind of macho article about "this new technology can kill effortlessly 10,000 civilians using a rechargable solar battery as a power source, making it a exceptional weapon and environmentally conscious as well"

Life is full of these little disappointments....

Re:Sadly misled..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978449)

"Morfik and Rapid Development of Modern Wee" - MUCH funnier (and probably more accurate)

Whoring out slashdot.... (1)

hotarugari (525375) | more than 8 years ago | (#13977971)

I understand the promotion of programs/apps/etc. on slashdot in the "ask" sections, but is it totally necessary to whore out slashdot for corporate press relaeases?

Looks cool but? (2, Insightful)

codepunk (167897) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978031)

Ok nifty idea but how does it perform in the real world. How well does it optimize the code to make up for the dismally slow IE java script engine. Both browsers could use some java script engine speed improvements but IE darn sure needs alot of help. Of course I don't expect the monopoly to do this as it is not in their best interest to allow applications to run in this fashion as it neutralizes their platform.

They have to sound UPBEAT... (as I'm ROFL) (1)

Seraphnote (655201) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978134)

From their site:
"What is the Morfik Pioneers Program?
The Morfik Pioneers Program is for technology visionaries, commentators and practitioners who see the current web as an embryonic form of a global operating system and the WebOS as major development in this process. ...
The Morfik Pioneers Program allows such enthusiastic individuals ... to contribute to its evolution within this vision. ... Pioneers will be able to influence the direction of Morfik's technology and to share insights about future directions for the web."

So:
1.) We're supposed to contribute to their for-profit-corporation out-of-the-geekness-of-our-hearts.
2.) And the whole current Internet is just in its infancy, and we're all going to "grow up" into this WebOS based on Javascript/AJAX using Morfik's products; seeing as they're the leader with the vision.

This is just another BIG-HEADED-CORP with no humility; lots of bark and little bite.
I'll wait for version 2 or 3.

Re:They have to sound UPBEAT... (as I'm ROFL) (1)

daviddennis (10926) | more than 8 years ago | (#13979173)

I always worry about this sort of thing since they're going to try to tempt me into using a tool that after the beta period, I find that I could not possibly afford. Then all the time I spend working on it is wasted.

There's a competing product called backbase that goes for either almost $1,000 or almost $6,000 a server depending on how you use it. Since my new project requires a dedicated server, it's $6,000. I might consider $1,000, but $6,000? No way on the planet.

At least Backbase (which has a tag language, sort of like ColdFusion) would allow me to use a Linux server and the text editors and such I know and love.

D

One word.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978274)

RubyOnRails is the wave of the future, not some half baked application which "boasts" anything. This type of crap is what slows real opensource development. We've all been hearing about this great RubyOnRails, and I believe the framework wars to be over. Even RubyOnRails has hit *gasp* news.com. People are integrating, and businesses are converting. http://www.rubyonrails.org/ [rubyonrails.org] is the real future to be. I believe if we all work on a common goal for a framework and language which isn't such a pita like jboss or php, then power will be back in the developer. Not Sun, Zend, etc :)

compiler with JavaScript backend (2, Interesting)

idlake (850372) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978711)

It had to happen: a compiler with a JavaScript backend...

Well, they sure are getting a lot of play (1)

MikeyTheK (873329) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978716)

For all the complaining y'all are doing about these guys, they sure are getting a lot of play. Google morfik. It might be a well-orchestrated campaign of lies and deceit, but at first blush it doesn't look that way.

Trying to apply their "Pioneers Program", but... (1)

twinchang (905272) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978725)

They just give me a email with subject "Confirmation of your Morfik Pioneers Registration" and content:

Thank you for applying to be part of the Morfik Pioneers Program. Your application is being reviewed by the Pioneers coordinator who is responsible for providing successful applicants with the login details to the Program.

I just wonder how hard would they just giving people direct access to their vapour-buzzword-like application?
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