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Leaked Pictures of Socket F

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the not-the-holland-i-grew-up-in dept.

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Robbedoeske writes "Dutch language site Tweakers.net has the first pictures of AMD's Socket F, aka Socket 1207. This socket introduces support for DDR 2 memory and some say it will offer the ability for a integrated PCI Express controller on the cpu. Socket F is meant to be used in systems with more than one Opteron cpu."

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Socket "F" for "Firstpost" (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978207)

You heard it.

Translation (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978209)

For those that can't read Dutch the Socket F looks like any normal chip.

Well, all I have to say to that is.... (3, Funny)

aicrules (819392) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978393)

Op ons forum Gathering of Tweakers zijn de eerste foto's van AMD's Socket F opgedoken. In mei schreven we al dat AMD een nieuwe processorsocket op zijn roadmap gezet had. Het nieuwe voetstuk zou 1207 verbindingspunten tellen en bedoeld zijn voor multi-Opteron-servers.

Oh and....MULTIPASS!

Re:Well, all I have to say to that is.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978437)

sorry we don't understand your crazy fucking moon language

Re:Well, all I have to say to that is.... (2, Informative)

squoozer (730327) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978459)

And the fish says...

On our forum Gathering or Tweakers the first photograph of AMD's Socket f has emerged. In May we wrote all that AMD new processorsocket on its roadmap had put. The new voetstuk 1207 connection points would count and is intended for multi-Opteron-servers.

Re:Well, all I have to say to that is.... (5, Funny)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978554)

Better than the average /. summary.

Re:Translation (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978447)

"You in the clogs put down the WMD!"

"Het nieuwe voetstuk zou!"

"Why can't they do this the easy way"

Is that a ball grid array I see (2, Insightful)

dremspider (562073) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978212)

It looks similiar to Intel's new design with the pins, hopefully it isn't as easy to damage.

Re:Is that a ball grid array I see (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978262)

i never found LGA775 motherboards to be fragile. In fact, I find them to be the other way around since the pins are well-protected by the frame of the CPU clamp. i probably built 200 LGA775 boxen working for PC Club in the last year and never had a problem with damaging one.

Re:Is that a ball grid array I see (0, Troll)

rosewood (99925) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978521)

It makes me sad that a PC Club would build anything but AMD boxen.

Re:Is that a ball grid array I see (3, Informative)

Groo Wanderer (180806) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978406)

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17617 [theinquirer.net]
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17652 [theinquirer.net]
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17681 [theinquirer.net]
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17709 [theinquirer.net]

More than you would care to know about LGA.

          -Charlie

OUTGOING (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978214)

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Re:OUTGOING (0, Offtopic)

ScottyH (791307) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978518)

Is this some sort of cipher? I've been seeing these around...what do they mean?

Yes, he counted them (4, Funny)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978220)

I'm dutch so I could read the forumpost that started it all.

He actually said he counted all the pins, just to be sure to give enough information.

Funny stuff (being dutch rocks)

Re:Yes, he counted them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978531)

Funny stuff (being dutch rocks)

Of course, other countries have nice rocks, too.

Re:Yes, he counted them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978609)

Of course, other countries have nice rocks, too.

Shhh, don't let the Dutch know, the greedy bastards.

EP? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978230)

Eerste post???

Re:EP? (0, Redundant)

Rinzwind (870478) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978556)

That means 'First post' ;)

PGA (3, Interesting)

theantipop (803016) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978238)

If true, it is interesting to see AMD moving to pin grid array-style cpu connection. Intel has used this for a little while now with thier socket 775 Pentium 4 chips. While there was concern over broken pins resulting in unusable motherboards, it now seems to be a relatively robust mechanism. I wonder what advantages AMD saw that lead them to this design. I also wonder if their Socket M, 940 pin solution for next years Athlons will use the same socket design.

Re:PGA (4, Informative)

sarahemm (707486) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978349)

I think you mean Land Grid Array (LGA [wikipedia.org] ). Pin Grid Array (PGA [wikipedia.org] ) is what they've been using since the 486 (386?) days...

Re:PGA (1)

theantipop (803016) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978462)

Doh, yep thank you. Too early to be thinking about acronymns.

Re:PGA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978401)

That is easy to figure out, Intel still acounts for over 80% of the market and if AMD has any hope in hell with OEMs they had better make it easy for those OEMs to use similair hardware and installation tools on the assembly line. I would look for BTX support from AMD over the next year, they can posture all they want but even low wattage chips will benefit from BTXs superior cooling design.

Re:PGA (1)

rajafarian (49150) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978585)

It is not up to AMD but motherboard manufacturers to support BTX.

Tools? (1)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978608)

Exactly what tools are involved in installing a CPU, with any style socket?

Re:PGA (1)

Hex4def6 (538820) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978509)

<I>I wonder what advantages AMD saw that lead them to this design. </I>

Well, I think its probably another cost-saving measure. I'm sure just having to put normal contacts on the CPU instead of pins makes the price of them perhaps significantly cheaper to manufacture, and passes the cost on the the motherboard manufacturer.

Re:PGA (1)

sarahemm (707486) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978594)

...and when a pin breaks, AMD/Intel don't have to deal with it ;)

AMD Beating The Crap Out Of Intel? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978241)

The more I learn about Apple and Intel the more worried I get.

IBM is cranking out killer PPC chips.
AMD is cranking out killer x86 chips.

And Intel looks like they are ready to compete in some sort of Special Olympics for Computer Chips.

How the hell can AMD be making such better chips and companies like Dell still selling Intel powered crap?

Re:AMD Beating The Crap Out Of Intel? (3, Insightful)

pivo (11957) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978319)

How the hell can AMD be making such better chips and companies like Dell still selling Intel powered crap?

That's easy: Marketing

Re:AMD Beating The Crap Out Of Intel? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978516)

Marketing money. Intel writes big checks to Dell as "co-operative marketing" funds. Also, Intel maintains its own sales force, including technical support for developers, on the corporate level. Guess how they decide which HW platform to recommend - who's laptops they show up with.

Finally, Dell isn't much of an engineering company - they need to keep they're offerings simple - both for their supply chain and support. Helps to keep it easy and cheap to acquire and sell.

How do they do it? Volume Volume VOLUME! (2, Insightful)

caveat (26803) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978326)

While AMD and IBM make technically superior chips, they simply don't have the mass manufacturing capability to compete with Chipzilla; a side effect of the huge capacity is the ability hae the quantity of procs available to offer deep discounts to high-volume customers (e.g. Dell and Apple) and still make money.

On a side note, the stuff due to be out of Intel by the time Apple switches the PowerMacs doesn't look too shabby at all - of course, we'll have to see what IBM/AMD are offering to compete.

Re:How many? (1)

Monkofdoom (928921) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978377)

I only counted 1206

Re:How do they do it? Volume Volume VOLUME! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978438)

"On a side note, the stuff due to be out of Intel by the time Apple switches the PowerMacs doesn't look too shabby at all"

Actually, it does look shabby. And there is still a year's worth more of Intel cancelations and slipage.

Mac users are going to be in for a shock when they see just how bad Intel's dual core chips are going to be compared to IBM and AMD's next year.

I can't wait to see how Steve Jobs tries to spin the release of desktop Intel machines next year:

1) Pretend AMD doesn't exist
2) Sandbag their PPC systems - play games with optimization settings and most likely use lower clocked 970 chips than are available

next step? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978245)

Personally I never imagined integrating a PCI Express controller in a CPU. If this trend of intregation continues, what would be the next logical step?

Re:next step? (1)

theantipop (803016) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978286)

Graphics controller on chip. Intel has shown such a chip at IDF this past fall.

Ewwww (1)

Groo Wanderer (180806) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978426)

No. Icky. Bad. You don't take the fastest changing part of a system and put it in a component that changes the slowest. Also, strapping a 110W GPU to a 60W CPU is not a smart thing.

          -Charlie

P.S. Bad, bad, bad. No cookie.

Re:next step? (1, Funny)

Danovitsch (203670) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978310)

The next step would be a processor the size of a motherboard with all connections (USB / PCI) on it's back :)

Re:next step? (1)

drunkahol (143049) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978360)

It's got to have a floppy drive built in. Things just DON'T work unless there's a floppy drive!

Re:next step? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978355)

profit ??

Back to the '80s (3, Insightful)

cronot (530669) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978364)

The first thing that came into my mind after reading the parent and its replies, is that this is coming closer to what microcomputers used to be back in the 80s, with the MSX, ZX-Spectrum, etc. Well, maybe the keyboard will remain detachable, as will any User Interactive peripheral, but everything else used to be much closer to the CPU back then.

Re:next step? (2, Funny)

Barny (103770) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978408)

Integrated cpu/northbridge/southbridge on a 12,156 pin socket, some say it will support 4 channels of ddr4 and be able to heat a large home :)

Re:next step? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978419)

To invent a new marketing TLA buzzword of course! Can't keep calling it a CPU... maybe MPM. Many Pinned Monstrosity.

Re:next step? (4, Funny)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978445)

The next step would be that my co-workers would actually be correct when they refer to the box that houses the motherboard, video card, memeory, etc. as a "CPU."

Re:next step? (2, Insightful)

cyxxon (773198) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978534)

Hm but what will then happen to my coworkers who always refer to it as "the harddrive" (and in reality store all their stuff on a mapped network drive)?

Re:next step? (1)

vrioux (723563) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978470)

AMD already let rumors go out about their possible integration of PCI-e. Next, we don't know but I suspect they'll get interrested in GPUs. With a modular multiple-cores architecture, it wouldn't be that hard to insert a GPU core in there. The only problem is heat... The advantages are insane : PCI-e on the cpu means the chipset doesn't need to use the hypertransport bus to route that traffic between cards and cpu! You get a direct connection between whatever cards you have and the main CPU (which is also the memory controller).

AMD really does have an edge with this technology and I hope they get as far as they can with integration. As one poster said earlier, one day we'll have a full x86 system-on-a-chip (SoC), which means cheaper boards, no need for cards, and maybe even no need for any hard drive. I hope AMD gets us to that level.

Re:next step? (3, Interesting)

pla (258480) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978499)

Personally I never imagined integrating a PCI Express controller in a CPU. If this trend of intregation continues, what would be the next logical step?

Single-chip computers - A CPU, and a totally passive backplane that does nothing but provide real-estate for connectors. And most likely, you wouldn't strictly need any extra cards, with a decent (but not high end, thus the need for a bus at all) GPU included right on-die.

Realistically, I expect two-chip computers as far more likely. Something along the lines of having your CPU plug directly into your video card, which has the standard video card parts on one side, and standard motherboard connectors on the other. And the whole thing could mount via a SECC-style connector to a power bus, right inside something just a tad bigger than current ATX power supplies.

Drives? Uhhh... I'll have to think about that one. ;-)

Adding new functionality (2, Funny)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978512)

They've added the memory controller and now they are adding the pci-e controller. If they keep adding things to the chip soon it will be so big that they'll just put the expansion slots directly onto the cpu. It WILL be the motherboard.

Re:next step? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978577)

The next logical step is to integrate the user into the chip. Chips will become huge, and the housing market will merge with the computer industry.

Re:next step? (1)

theJML (911853) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978603)

A north bridge/southbridge on chip would be cool... but let's not forget the tail of the TV/VCR Combo's... When the TV Breaks, what do you do with the VCR?

Personally, I think putting many things that intercommunicate on the chip is cool, but I'd rather not have a GPU on the same chip. For one, It't not going to be cheap when MS comes out with Dx10 and everyone has to support it hardware (as is happening with 9), now I'd need a new CPU chip and it can't be cheap being that video cards are so darn expensive. Or if I decide I want to go dual core, I have to buy the video card again because it's on the chip.
 
  Seems like there needs to be a line drawn somewhere.

Usual reaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978251)

/me experiences a short spasm, followed by the urge to comment "imagine a beow..." but then thankfully everything's back to normal again.

Someone trasnslate the article (1)

majjj (644070) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978255)

Dutch people take the lead... no point in looking at the pictures without anything to read.

Re:Someone trasnslate the article (4, Informative)

ghamerly (309371) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978363)

No one else is posting a translation. I'm not Dutch, but I'll take a crack at it (I spent a year in Belgium (Leuven) learning Dutch... and I like to practice it every now and then, so here's my chance). I have to get back to work, but I did do the first paragraph (Dutch speakers please feel free to correct me).

The first photos of AMD's Socket F have emerged on our Gathering of Tweakers
forum. In May we wrote that AMD had a new processor socket on its roadmap. The
new footprint should have 1207 pins and is intended for multi-Opteron servers.
To make possible a processor with support for DDR memory on a DDR2-footprint
and vice-versa a new socket was needed. The extra pins that are available are
according to reports for an integrated PCI-Express controller on the
processors. Noticeable in the photos is the clear separation in the middle of
the socket. This seems to indicate that each core of the dual-core Opteron has
its own group of pins, and so works as two processors.

Re:Someone trasnslate the article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978627)

Quick tranlation and not very tech-savvy, but here it is.

The first pictures of AMD' Socket F have appeared on our forum "Gathering of Tweakers". In May we already wrote that AMD had put a new processor socket on its roadmap. It was supposed to count 1207 pins and to be built for multi-Opteron-servers. In order to prevent that a processor with support for DDR-memory is inserted into a DDR2 socket and vice versa, a new socket was necessary. The extra pins that thus become available, would be used for an integrated PCI Express-controller on the processors. Remarkable on the pictures is the separation in the middle of the socket. It seems to indicate that every core of the dual-core Opteron has its own group of pins and is hence treated as two seperate processors.

On the pictures you can also see that Socket F, just as Intel Socket 775, is equipped with pins to contact the processor. The cpu will no langer have to be inserted into the socket; it is a so-called Land Grid Array socket. By the way, Socket F is also called Socket 1207, but just like Socket 479 only counts 478 pins, this model could also have only 1206 contact points, detailed counting work has shown. This socket also supports registered DDR II 553-, 667- and 800- memory and AMD seems to try to counter Intels DIMM plans. The latter will present its dual core platform Dempsy, with amongst others the Greencreek chipset with support for FB DIMM memory.

Go AMD! (1)

Janek Kozicki (722688) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978257)

I'm an AMD fanboy, oh yeah. Their chips are soooo good. Problem is that in Europe there wasn't enough press releases about AMD vs. Intel dual core duel [amd.com] . In fact there is nothing about that. Looks like all PR quietly took a large sum of money from Intel, and this duel is totally ignored by media [google.com] . I feel bitter about that.

yes, I heard that AMD has launched a big ad campaign in US, but sadly this is not the case for Europe.

and all the universities in western europe are forced to buy upgrades from Dell. I really tried to buy AMD, it simply wasn't possible.

Re:Go AMD! (1)

stecoop (759508) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978290)

I heard that AMD has launched a big ad campaign in US, but sadly this is not the case for Europe

Funny, with Adblock, Flashblock, Tivo, Netflix and Bitorrent, I can't recall the last commerical or ad I've seen.

Re:Go AMD! (1)

theantipop (803016) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978315)

Excellent. The government eat wendys subliminal advertising scheme is working perfectly. World buy pepsi domination is at hand.

Online lifestyle? (1)

Mattygfunk1 (596840) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978381)

Funny, with Adblock, Flashblock, Tivo, Netflix and Bitorrent, I can't recall the last commerical or ad I've seen.

Try getting out of the house. Advertising is everywhere.

__
Laugh Daily adult funny video [laughdaily.com]

Re:Online lifestyle? (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978397)

Only listen to podcasts while on the road, and cover your eyes.

Re:Online lifestyle? (1)

stecoop (759508) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978536)

Try getting out of the house
WTF, there is nothing outside of the basement, why would I want to leave that?

Advertising is everywhere.
Define everywhere. Yeah magazines have advertisements but I don't have to buy them. Newspapers have advertisements I don't buy them either. On the radio, it is easy enough to change channels during a commercial but NPR and the BBC don't have a bunch anyway. Billboards, I can't ignore them with pretty ladies but I can't tell you what it was advertising. Are you in a being held by some organized advertisement militia propping your eyes open with toothpicks forcing you to view advertisements? Face it, you can ignore advertisements if you want, just because it is presented dosn't mean you have to consume it.

But the AMD advertisment is still funny; I didn't know there is a media blitz untill somone from another country said so...

Re:Go AMD! (0)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978458)

How much did they pay you for this guerilla marketing?

Ads in slashdot comments... What's next? Ads in the stories?

OMFG!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978258)

Leaked Socket F pictures. It's like geek voyeur porn!

Think of the children!

NP (5, Funny)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978267)

Ahh nerd porn. While the rest of the world is looking at leaked photos of Janet Jackson or Paris Hilton, we're looking at photos of AMDs new processor.

Re:NP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978305)

>While the rest of the world is looking at leaked photos of Janet Jackson or Paris Hilton

People do that? Eeeeww..

>we're looking at photos of AMDs new processor.

Well, unlike Janet Jackson and Paris Hilton, a new CPU socket is actually sexy.

Re:NP (1)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978307)

You might be looking at the processor, but I'm looking at the hole the processor goes into... : p

Re:NP (0)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978446)

but I'm looking at the hole the processor goes into... :

Just imagine! One thousand, two hundred and seven holes!
woooooooah!

*head explodes*

Re:NP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978312)

and considering the two skanks aforementioned, I thank $deity I'm looking at computer hardware and not those two...

(yes! I made a nerdy post! glass houses and stones!)

Re:NP (4, Funny)

evilviper (135110) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978318)

While the rest of the world is looking at leaked photos of Janet Jackson or Paris Hilton, we're looking at photos of AMDs new processor.

No, no... This isn't even pictures of a new AMD processor... it's pictures of the SOCKET where the processor will go.

It's more like pr0n pictures of a bra or a bikini, without anyone wearing them... :-(

Re:NP (0)

T-Ranger (10520) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978376)

Its a picture of holes.. So that makes it porn for straight male geeks, or lesbian female geeks.

Re:NP (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978596)

I dont know the picture looks like a bed of pins rather than holes. But I could be wrong...

Re:NP (0)

interiot (50685) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978380)

Is that socket, erm... used?

Re:NP (1)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978389)

Nope, that's closeup of the sexxy part of the motherboard, where the CPU inserts all its pins.
Since the introduction of the zero-force sockets, plugging a CPU in is not that arousing anymore...

Re:NP (1)

itomato (91092) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978490)

Nope & nope - that's a picture of all the pins on the socket where the CPU will *rest*.

A tiny bed of nails for dual core Opterons. Helps them focus! Ssh!

Re:NP (1)

MouseR (3264) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978400)

Wich goes to say that in this world, there's a socket for everyone.

Re:NP (0, Offtopic)

Pogue Mahone (265053) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978468)

Here [hilton-paris.com] is a picture of the Paris Hilton, along with a few other Paris Hiltons. But probably not the Paris Hilton that you were thinking of.

Egads, nerd pr0n (4, Funny)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978483)

You just made me realize that reading the article description got me as excited as looking at nekked pics of Paris Hilton. The big difference is that AMD CPUs are much more interesting than her and are more talented. They are both about as flat and prickley though.

Re:NP (1)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978614)

While the rest of the world is looking at leaked photos of Janet Jackson or Paris Hilton, we're looking at photos of AMDs new processor.

I know I'd rather see a cpu than Paris Hilton. You can at least try to carry on a convo with a cpu.. and odds are it will have something more intelligent to say.

Re:NP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978643)

who was looking for janet jacksons ugly tit?

honestly, that was pretty hideous

That sure is alot of pins (1)

Ellis D Trippman (655872) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978271)

with that kind of pin density, i wonder what a speck of dust getting into that socket would do to a system. Although it looks like a BGA socket so there may be less of a chance of a bad contact. It's cool that they are going to be intergrating more system controller logic into the main CPU, it's the evolution of the pc design, eventully I forsee single chip systems with minimal external circuitry, just one 5000 pin chip and a small wafer with some io connectors. Cool!

Pictures of CPU sockets? (0)

Broken Bottle (84695) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978306)

If that isn't geek porn, I don't know what is...

Chris

Translation (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978322)

The first photographs of AMD's Socket F have shown up on our Gathering of Tweakers forum. We wrote about AMD having put its new processor socket on its roadmap last May. The new socket is said to have 1207 connection points and is intended for multi-Opteron servers. To prevent the insertion of a DDR-supporting processor into a DDR2-socket and vice versa, a new socket design was necessary. The extra pins that came available are said to be used for an integrated PCI Express controller. What's remarkable is that there's a clear separation in the middle of the socket. This could indicate that each core of a dual-core Opteron has its own set of contacts and thus is treated as two separate processors.

The photographs furthermore show that Socket F, as Intel's Socket 775, will feature pins that make contact witht he processor. This is a so-called LGA socket: the CPU will no longer feature pins that have to be pushed into the socket. Socket F is also called Socket 1207, but carefull counting reveals that the socket only features 1206 pins. This socket supports DDR II 533-, 667- and 800MHz memory and this allows AMD to compete with Intel's FB-DIMM plans. The latter is scheduled to introduce its dual-core Dempsey platform in April, featuring the Greencreek chipset with support for FB-DIMM memory.

Re:Translation (0)

netkid91 (915818) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978387)

MOD PARENT UP!!! This guy deserves a 5, com'on mods where are you, must copy and paste.....

Yet another socket (4, Interesting)

Cerberus7 (66071) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978336)

Yay. I'm still on the fence if all of these different sockets are a good thing or not. I've gone from Socket 7 to Super Socket 7 to Socket A over the course of the last several years. Now it seems that there are way too many different sockets to choose from, and who knows which will show the same kind of longevity that my past choices have. What's a guy to do?

Re:Yet another socket (1)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978343)

elmuerte is waiting for one socket to rule them all.

damn, that must be pure evil.

Re:Yet another socket (1)

yfkar (866011) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978469)

But it sure can handle high temperatures.

Routine Babelfish Translation: (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13978340)

On our forum Gathering or Tweakers the first photograph of AMD's Socket f has emerged. In May we wrote all that AMD new processorsocket on its roadmap had put. The new voetstuk 1207 connection points would count and is intended for multi-Opteron-servers. To occur that a processor with support for Ddr-geheugen are pricked on Ddr2-voetje and vice-versa, therefore new socket were necessary. The extra pins which become available, could would according to reports be used for incorporated PCI Express-controller on the processors. Striking on the photograph the clear separation in the middle of the socket is. This seems indicate that each core of dual-core the Opteron his own group has contact points and this way real such as two processors it is treated.

First photograph Socket f emerged Yoeri Lauwers - Tuesday 8 November 2005 - 09.49 - sources: Redactie Tweakers.net - Submitter: Thandor - Views: 21,366 On our forum Gathering or Tweakers the first photograph of AMD's Socket f has emerged. In May we wrote all that AMD new processorsocket on its roadmap had put. The new voetstuk 1207 connection points would count and is intended for multi-Opteron-servers. To occur that a processor with support for Ddr-geheugen are pricked on Ddr2-voetje and vice-versa, therefore new socket were necessary. The extra pins which become available, could would according to reports be used for incorporated PCI Express-controller on the processors. Striking on the photograph the clear separation in the middle of the socket is. This seems indicate that each core of dual-core the Opteron his own group has contact points and this way real such as two processors it is treated. On the photograph is further also see that Socket f have equipped, just like Intels Socket 775, with pins which must make contact with the processor. The cpu will have will be therefore no longer pricked in the socket, but it concerns so-called Lga-socket. Socket f become moreover also Socket 1207 mentioned, but just like Socket 479 but 478 count pins, this model will have contact points also only 1206, this way precise telwerk expelled. This processor foot supports registered DDR II 533 -, 667 and 800-geheugen and this way venture AMD the gok to take on the competition with Intels FB Dimm-plannen. This last in April, as it happens, its dual-core will present platform Dempsey, with among other things Greencreek-chipset with support for FB Dimm-geheugen.

Re:Routine Babelfish Translation: (1)

AMD-lover (759977) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978538)

Translation:
Voetstuk = Socket
Geheugen = Memory
Plannen = Plans

Sexy (1)

FreakUnique (927847) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978373)

Those pictures look very promising as well as getting me in trouble with the bosses for looking at porn. :p

Obligatory 2001 quote... (1, Funny)

cca93014 (466820) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978432)

My god, it's full of holes.

Wow (1)

springbox (853816) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978433)

Look at all them pins!

I though having those pins on the socket was a stupid idea, but it's interesting to note that even if you did damage the pins on the motherboard, chances are it will be cheaper to replace it than the processor itself. Although only replacing the processor would be much more convenient.

Re:Wow (1)

Abstract_Me (799786) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978508)

"Although only replacing the processor would be much more convenient."

Interesting that you mentioned that as its more then likely a business that will be using this socket.I can't help but wonder what would be cheaper for them. a quick swap of a processesor or completely stripping the machine down to replace the motherboard. With the price of man hours for both the tech fixing it and also everyone who may need that box to be productive the thousand dollar chip may not actually be that big of an expense

Still waiting... (0, Troll)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978451)

...for built-in thermal guides to safely remove heat, no risk of misaligned radiator.
...for integrated liquid cooling option
...for more redundant pins so a single socket design could last 5-10 years, not replaced 5 months later with one that has two pins more
...for some good options to stack n CPUs for multi-CPU platform (socket for next CPU built into top of the previous one, thermal guides / coolant pipes running through)

Re:Still waiting... (1, Flamebait)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978506)

"not replaced 5 months later"...

You can still buy AMD64 and Sempron based 754-pin processors years after the spec was released.

In otherwords SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU IGNORANT LITTLE SHIT OMG YOU ARE TEH STUPID.

As for stacking cpus ... um you realize AMD makes *dual-core* processors right?

Tom

Re:Still waiting... (1)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978570)

As for the socket, nevertheless, it's considered obsolete. You can still buy 486 processors too.
As for stacking the CPUs try to build 32-CPU machine without making it a distributed cluster. DUAL doesn't cut it.

DDR (0, Offtopic)

Jormundgard (260749) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978461)

cool, I love dance dance revolution

Obsolescence strikes again (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978562)

Great, I haven't even built my new AMD 64 system and now I have dangled in front of me the latest and greatest to come. It will not only require a new CPU, but a new motherboard and new RAM (DDR2 vs DDR).

Must...not...chase...bleeding...edge!

Blast the gaming scene... (3, Funny)

lpangelrob (714473) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978574)

I don't know what came first, Double Data Rate or Dance Dance Revolution, but I curse the second group that used the DDR acronym.

Every single time I see DDR and compatibility, I think, wait, why do you need anything else with DDR?

Re:Blast the gaming scene... (4, Informative)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 8 years ago | (#13978589)

Good that Germans made Deutsche Demokratik Republik (East Germany) obsolete :)
You still can find some products "made in DDR" though.
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