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Suse Linux Founder Exits Novell

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the look-for-a-new-project-soon dept.

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csplinter writes write to tell us that SuSE Linux founder Hubert Mantel has resigned from Novell stating "Too late for me. I just decided to leave Suse/Novell. This is no longer the company I founded 13 years ago." Novell confirmed his resignation but had little else to say on the topic. From the article: "Mantel's departure also comes less than a week after Novell announced a major restructuring that would result in 600 layoffs. It's unclear if Mantel's resignation is related to the restructuring."

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13 years for what (1, Insightful)

visionsofmcskill (556169) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992772)

Its a tough week for novell when they loose botha founder and 600 employees.... makes you wonder just who is using their solutions anymore?

Re:13 years for what (3, Funny)

Amouth (879122) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992827)

they have solutions???? damn i wish some of the places i go that have novell would look into that.. all i see is something you install and nothing works.. it isn't that it is broken .. it's just does nothing.. nothing at all..

Re:13 years for what (5, Interesting)

Reducer2001 (197985) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992944)

Perhaps you meant to say that administrators who have Novell solutions in place don't have anything to do? My company has NetWare servers for file/print/auth/e-mail/Internet proxy/etc. in place. Our servers have uptimes in the 100's of days (our best record was 438 days until the mobo died) and require almost no upkeep. Not to mention that I don't have to worry too much about nasty viruses coming in. Oh, and our NetWare servers have a bash prompt that I can use, as well as running several OSS programs (Apache, PHP, MySQL).

Re:13 years for what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13992984)

Oh your god! That's terrible, you need proper availability not 100s of days..

www0-rth.thls.XXX.co.uk-xxxxxxx-2: uptime
  10:24pm up 2320 day(s), 9:55, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.02
www0-rth.thls.XXX.co.uk-xxxxxxxx-3:

Re:13 years for what (1)

schon (31600) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993160)

you need proper availability not 100s of days [...] up 2320 day(s)

How is 2320 not "hundreds" of days? It looks like just over 23 hundred days to me. :o)

Re:13 years for what (2, Funny)

Amouth (879122) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993404)

for some reason i wish that was posted on the front page as a link.. just so we could slashdot it.

Re:13 years for what (4, Funny)

Amouth (879122) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993374)

oh i have seen plenty of good set up netware servers.. my personal favorite is

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/04/12/missing_no vell_server_discovered_after/ [theregister.co.uk]

(a friend of mine was an admin up there when it happened.)

on the other hand.. i have seen horridly setup stuff.. and the client computers always having issues.. my favorite is watching network packets and seeing printer discovery packets from a school network in greensboro in a school network in wilmington..

Re:13 years for what (2, Interesting)

KilobyteKnight (91023) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992849)

I am for one...

I love Suse. It's my favorite distro by far.

Re:13 years for what (5, Interesting)

krgallagher (743575) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992937)

"I love Suse. It's my favorite distro by far."

Same here. I really do not understand staements like "This is no longer the company I founded 13 years ago." Of course it isn't. It is Novel. Novel is an old corporation with a well known corporate culture. Mantel knew that when he sold the company. If he had any illusions, he was just deluding himself. I think the most telling quote in the article is "I'm very confident the Novell management will find a competent successor very quickly. After all, there are lots of extremely skilled people over there in the Ximian division." Sounds to me like corporate infighting and Mantel lost.

Re:13 years for what (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13993000)

Yes, especially since kernel development is not exactly Ximians forte. This is probably a clash between company cultures. German engineers believe that quality matters while american managers know that playing golf with executives is more important.

Re:13 years for what (1)

TrekCycling (468080) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993002)

It *was* my favorite distro until they decided to join Red Hat in the enterprise fray. I saw the writing on the wall and now I use CentOS. I know, a Red Hat rebuild. At least there is some stability with CentOS.

Re:13 years for what (2, Interesting)

Miguelito (13307) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993224)

Same here.. Suse/Novell were willing to talk to us on pricing.. someone else, who we won't name, had the attitude of "we're all anyone supports, take the price or leave it" at a time when they wanted more then windows server cost on opterons or itaniums because 64bit was automatically "enterprise class server hardware." Whatever...

Finding autoyast to be much more powerful, rpms far easier to deal with and easier build custom ones, kernel easier to patch (when we need to, which is far less often), etc.

While I'd love to actually be able to use anything, even gentoo or something else, I like that we're getting some choice now rather then only 1 distro supported.

"Too Late"? (4, Interesting)

adavies42 (746183) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992774)

What is the "too late for me" in reference to? TFA give no clue.

Re:"Too Late"? (2, Funny)

darth_MALL (657218) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992793)

Too late to save him from death after he finally turned back to the light side. SEE! There was still good in him!

Re:"Too Late"? (1)

cloudmaster (10662) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992835)

It's probably just a poorly-translated phrase which means something else in German than in literally-translated English.

Re:"Too Late"? (4, Insightful)

ElGuapoGolf (600734) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992850)

I'm not sure what the "too late" comment means, but I think he takes a shot at some of the ximian folks later on when he suggests a maintainer for the SuSE kernel could be found from somewhere in the Ximian group.

Ouch. I mean, given the bloated (but usable) mess that is Evolution, would you want those guys maintaining your distribution's kernel?

I think he's right, SuSE isn't the same company anymore. Kubuntu, here I come.

Re:"Too Late"? (1)

mbanck (230137) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993204)

I'm not sure what the "too late" comment means, but I think he takes a shot at some of the ximian folks later on when he suggests a maintainer for the SuSE kernel could be found from somewhere in the Ximian group.



Ouch. I mean, given the bloated (but usable) mess that is Evolution, would you want those guys maintaining your distribution's kernel?


Maybe he is thinking about the Man [rlove.org] instead?


Michael

Novell == SCO (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13992790)

Novell == SCO for me. I treat them with the same respect from now on. Poor Novell suckers. I think Novell started killing off their own business. No money will ever stop the complaints coming from users and open source enthusiasts. The people in the world will from now on totally trash the name Novell. It will be set equal with the pigs from SCO, they will be treated the same way and their entire name will be worth nothing pretty soon. They will pay for the recent crap decisions.

I agree... (0, Troll)

ylikone (589264) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993156)

but will undoubtedly get modded down like you... but I think this is something that should be modded up, not down. I'm sure many others agree. I have a deep distrust of any large corporation because the end motive is always just money. Novell will drive SuSe into the ground. So, stop being wussies and mod the parent UP! You know you want to.

Novell-Borg screw up again (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13993352)

Novell is an assimilating race, like Borg.
It recognizes some good tech,
gets it,
survives for a while,
then screws up.
And then it needs to move to the next one..

Sour Grapes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13992792)

He's just pissed they dropped KDE for Gnome. That's gotta sting!

Re:Sour Grapes (3, Insightful)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993276)

Or he is bright enough to realize that competing head on with redhat and indirectly with Sun is a mistake?

At this point, how is Suse different from Redhat? I recently switched to Suse (from Mandrake due to their lousy QC). At the last job, I was coding on Redhat. I was loving Suse until the gnome/kde announcement. At this point, I am telling ppl if they want a Gnome distro to do redhat, and am back to looking for a good kde distro.

Re:Sour Grapes (1)

RedNovember (887384) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993327)

OR you could go with SuSE 10.0, which has a very well polished KDE...

You forget, the average user doesn't want to upgrade an OS every release.

Re:Sour Grapes (1)

LDoggg_ (659725) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993337)

Install everything in fedora, log in, type "switchdesk kde" in a konsole window.
Now your distro is KDE distro... for that user account anyway.

Re:Sour Grapes (2, Interesting)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993391)

How is SuSE different from Red Hat? Well, first of all their system has proven to be far superior each time I've tried it. Fedora Core is not suitable for production servers (even if some people claim it is), and their commercial offerings aren't much better. It would fail during installation many times. This was even with FC4. SuSE, on the other hand, would just work.

Now, will the trend of SuSE being a quality distribution continue? Perhaps not. Things aren't necessarily looking up for SuSE since the acquisition. However, as of now their products are still quite stable, and from my experiences far better than Fedora.

And for your KDE-based distro, look no further than Kubuntu. It offers a solid Debian base with all of the amenities of KDE.

Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (3, Insightful)

Srdjant (650988) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992837)

Could Hubert Mantel have quit due to Novell making SuSE a GNOME-centred distro instead of keeping it a KDE-centred one?

Novell standardise on GNOME: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/05/ 1620206&tid=223&tid=106 [slashdot.org]

Re:Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13992919)

Could Hubert Mantel have quit due to Novell making SuSE a GNOME-centred distro instead of keeping it a KDE-centred one?

Yes. Actual quotes:

Elektroshock: Oh my God, Novell killed Kay-dee-ee!

Hubert Mantel: You bastards.

Re:Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (4, Interesting)

civilizedINTENSITY (45686) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992946)

The comment about finding a kernel maintainer was likewise interesting:
"I have been the maintainer of the Suse kernel for more than a decade now," Mantel wrote. "I'm very confident the Novell management will find a competent successor very quickly. After all, there are lots of extremely skilled people over there in the Ximian division."
It is enough to make one wonder if there is a power struggle, or at least the perception of one, arising from differences of opinion between the SuSE and Ximian groups. SuSE's technical excellence is perhaps not so appreciated as some feel it should be? How important is mono?

Re:Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (-1, Troll)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992977)

Perhaps Novell would not have had to drop KDE if QT didn't cost 2000+ per developer to write for profit software.

Remember that QT says you have to pay them for a QT license if you use QT to make money.

http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt/licensing.htm l [trolltech.com]

"Build commercial software and software whose source code you wish to keep private."

Please note it doesn't say commercial software whose source code you wish to keep private, it simply says commercial software.

Re:Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (3, Informative)

oever (233119) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993066)

You are suggesting the GPL software cannot be for profit software. Also, if you want to keep your code private, using the GPL version of Qt is fine. Only if you publish a program under a different license that the GPL do you have to pay the license.

This should be no problem, since KDE is compatible with this requirement. Any software Novell might want to add would probably be GPL anyway, because that's the most common license for Linux distros.

Only if Novell wanted to develop a closed source program would the Qt license be a problem. But even then, it would be easy to use a different library if the license fee, (which is not that hight compared to dev. wages) was too much.

Re:Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993099)

I know this. But QT says that you must pay them if you use QT in a for profit manor, which is incorrect.

And the major hangup isn't with Novell having to pay for the QT license, it is with Novell's CUSTOMERS having to pay for a QT license.

Re:Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (2, Insightful)

oever (233119) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993164)

Please give me an example where a company was forced to pay license fees to to Qt because SuSE uses KDE as a desktop environment.

Re:Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993229)

I am not talking about having to pay because of KDE. I am talking about QT saying that if you develope a QT app that is used in business you have to pay them. IOW, Troll Tech seams to say that if you develope an KDE app that use QT for your business (little custom apps and/or in house apps), even if you don't sell said app, you have to buy a QT license because it would be "business use"

That scares away the suits. GNOME/GTK doesn't have that issue.

Re:Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (1)

oever (233119) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993335)

So you agree that it's a fact that there is no need to pay a Trolltech license for in-house applications?

It seems to me you're only gripe is corporate _perception_, (what Trolltech 'seams' to say) not the actual license. I would not go as far as calling that an issue.

Re:Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (2, Insightful)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993476)

The issue is that QT appears to be trying to get more people to pay for QT then is required. Some would say that their methods border on the dishonest.

Re:Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (2, Insightful)

paugq (443696) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993422)

Your comment is stupid and shows a large lack of knowledge about Gtk and Qt.

Gtk is ugly to develop with, inconsistent, lacks a lot of functionality and it is a complete joke for multi-platform development.

Qt is so superior to Gtk it pays for itself so soon you will never regret buying it. A Qt license is worth half the pay of one developer for one month. Your company will recover that money immediately.

Had Suse used Gtk instead of Qt, Novell would be firing twice the people they are firing now. And the movement from Qt to Gtk is so stupid they are firing theirselves on the foot.

Bye, bye, Novell, you had the best (Suse Linux, ZenWorks and eDirectory) and you decided to suicide.

Re:Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (1)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993433)

Do you have any proof to back up your claims, Aldredge?

Re:Novell moves to GNOME; SuSE founder resigns? (2, Informative)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993444)

Now, the *rest* of the context:
The Qt Commercial License is the correct license to use for the construction of proprietary, commercial software. The license allows you to:

Build commercial software and software whose source code you wish to keep private.

...

It doesn't say here that the GPL doesn't allow you to do these things, only that the QT commercial license does allow them. What the GPL allows and doesn't allow is in the GPL. The GPL is one of the licenses included in the software; that is the place to look for what you can and can't do with the software, not some website summary.

It's true that the website's tricky wording is probably bordering on FUD in an effort to encourage license sales. However, it doesn't actually say that you can't develop commercial open-source software without the pricey QT license.

gnome the problem (1)

haxhia (783279) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992843)

I wonder if the decision to switch suse to a gnome distro made him want to leave.

get rid of linux (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13992861)

that's what happens when a company bets on linux, they go down the toilet.

He's right that it's not the same... (0, Troll)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992863)

... SuSE offerings keep getting better and better.

Seems like flamebait and troll, but maybe not... (5, Interesting)

porkThreeWays (895269) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993023)

Since Novell has taken over, they've open sourced a lot of suse. Yast is now open source. The basic suse linux distribution is now freely available immediatly (there used to be a wait time and ftp only installs). Maybe there have been massive internal changes that aren't aparent to the public, but it seems to me they've become more open lately. The quality of Suse offerings have become better as well. I tried suse a few years ago and wasn't terribly impressed. Lately however, I've been inclined to use it on my desktop and some servers.

Lost Another One... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13992873)

...To GNOME.ORG

Novell is going the RedHat way (1)

lonesometrainer (138112) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992874)

Like RedHat with Fedora, Novell looks for Community backup with their OpenSuse.org project.

Their best option will be a profitable enterprise-linux distribution with _zero_ community backup.

They're making the life of all those shuttleworths' out there extremely easy.

Not good.

Re:Novell is going the RedHat way (2, Insightful)

cloudmaster (10662) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992912)

Except that Novell didn't say "Oh, by the way - you people who paid for support for your product? Screw you, your year of support ends in April even if you just paid for a year a couple of months earlier. Feel free to buy our overpriced piece of crap version if you want continued updates." RedHat did.

BTW, Ubuntu's based on Debian, which was and remains community-developed. Shuttleworth just did it right (so far)...

Re:Novell is going the RedHat way (1)

talksinmaths (199235) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993269)

Screw you, your year of support ends in April even if you just paid for a year a couple of months earlier. Feel free to buy our overpriced piece of crap...

I don't remember it being exactly like that. Although they clearly dropped support for RH9 in April, I thought they continued to honor the support agreements for their full terms if you upgraded to RHEL at no extra cost. I could be remembering things incorrectly though.

In any event RedHat seems to be doing OK selling their overpriced piece of crap version.

Re:Novell is going the RedHat way (1)

cloudmaster (10662) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993482)

No, it wasn't free to upgrade. I seem to recall there being some trivial discount, but it was still more than it cost to download the month-old SuSE, migrate things, and then pay for the next upgrade to SuSE. The discount also didn't cover the cost we paid for all of our systems, nor did it give us access to the distro we were using for a reason (I didn't *want* RHEL).

And yeah, lots of people still pay for RedHat. This is mostly because lots of management-types want "someone to blame". Heck, the place I now work for uses RHEL all over the place for legacy reasons, but it's still a piece of crap. Just today I tried to write a perl script which needed to time events with sub-second accuracy. Perl 5.8 is installed, but apparently Time::HiRes is not - even though Time::HiRes is part of the core 5.8 distribution and it should be safe to assume that it's present if perl 5.8 is. But no, RedHat assed that up. Call that my reason of the day, though, not the single reason to call RHEL crap.

No (2, Interesting)

RedNovember (887384) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993016)

Wrong.

The only reason I decided to try SuSE at all was because they finally had a non-crippled, community driven initiative in SuSE 10.0 OSS. The community is something that will work for them.

Plus, SuSE is more user-friendly than RedHat, and therefore puts more consumers at ease. There is a reason RedHat is mainly a server distro.

Re:Novell is going the RedHat way (2, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993208)

Like RedHat with Fedora, Novell looks for Community backup with their OpenSuse.org project.

Right, damn those Novell people, open sourcing all the good bits from the companies they've acquired. They're just doing it because they want the community to help them! Let's not fall for it though-- we should all refuse to use YaST or the Evolution connector! If I make it so I can't connect to my e-mail, that'll show'um!

They're making the life of all those shuttleworths' out there extremely easy.

Yeah, because... it all plays into Shuttleworth's plan for world domination?

Damn it, Shuttleworth doesn't want Novell bringing more money into Linux development. Ubuntu is so good, we should just tell all the other developers, contributors, and people spending money on Linux to shove it!

Re:Novell is going the RedHat way (1)

rm69990 (885744) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993273)

Ah, yes, zero community backup will result in greater profit. This is why Novell/SUSE has been mopping the floor with Red Hat all these years. (Yes, I'm being sarcastic)

Time to Fork Suse (3, Interesting)

Bruha (412869) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992882)

Novell promised big things for Suse 10. Claiming it was a Windows Killer. I find it no better or worse than the last version of Suse 9.

What Novell is doing here is creating a platform for Ximian and the only way to get any distro to accept Ximian was to buy Suse. This apparently has proven true with Hubert's comments that Ximian had lots of talented people.

Re:Time to Fork Suse (2, Insightful)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992930)

When did Novell promise that Suse 10 would be a Windows Killer?

Please show us a link or two to support your position.

Re:Time to Fork Suse (1, Insightful)

daeley (126313) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993105)

I think it was the press more than Novell, but they sure didn't mind mentioning it in passing [novell.com] as early as 2001 -- and that was version 7.1!

Re:Time to Fork Suse (1)

rm69990 (885744) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993301)

ummm, HELLO!!! That was a SUSE press release, not a Novell one. Novell didn't aquire SUSE until 2003 (aquisition completed in 2004). Novell is still hosting their old press releases on their website.

Re:Time to Fork Suse (2, Informative)

RedNovember (887384) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993302)

"SUSE LINUX 7.1 with the new 2.4 kernel was highly anticipated by the Linux community and reviewers were writing "SUSE 7.1 is Chockful Of Goodies" (byte.com) and named "An Embarrassment of Riches" (linuxnovice.org). Although many reviewers did not agree to the Linux Planet statement: "Pack It Up and Go Home: SUSE Created a Windows-Killer", all of the reviewers agreed, that there is now a serious competitor lighting the radar screens. Offering a cut down, simple "Personal" version, did the important step towards the non-technical "non-geek" home desktop users."

Sounds to me too like it's not Novell talking. Hype is not the sole responsibility of the company.

Proof? (3, Interesting)

alandd (243817) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993231)

How do you know "What Novell is doing here is creating a platform for Ximian and the only way to get any distro to accept Ximian was to buy Suse." ??

And by what stretch of logic is the above "proven true" by "Hubert's comments that Ximian had lots of talented people." ???

Especially... (5, Funny)

alamandrax (692121) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992904)

When we took away his stapler. That just pissed him off.

The question for Novell is... (1, Insightful)

Hymer (856453) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992913)

Is SuSE without Hubert Mantel a SuSE people want ?

Re:The question for Novell is... (2, Interesting)

TrekCycling (468080) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993054)

Exactly. Anyone who ever used SuSE (I used it for 3 years until they were purchased) knows Mantel if only because of the famous "Mantel Kernels" that would include special features not in the regular kernel. His contribution both to the distribution and offline were a big part of what made SuSE great in its time.

Re:The question for Novell is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13993118)

Who moderated that off topic , and what sort of crack where they smoking .

My Bet (4, Insightful)

Crimsane (815761) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992934)

If I had to make a wager as to why he left, I would bet someone close to him got layed off and he put his own job on the line to defend them.

I was sad to hear suse layed of This dude [beaufour.dk] who was doing lots of xforms stuff for FF.

But of course Novell has been doing lots of good for a while now, all the time losing money, so I couldn't be too critcal.

Probably not a big deal (5, Insightful)

Jherek Carnelian (831679) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992941)

This departure is probably no big deal. Every single "amicable" corporation acquisition that I have ever seen worked out the same way. The founders of the acquired company stay on board in order to help assure a smooth merger. But after about a year or so, they almost always take off for new projects. I suspect that sticking around until now was a contractual obligation on his part as part of selling the company.

These guys tend to be of two types - "startup" guys who don't think it is fun to run an established business, or a "control types" who aren't satisifed unless they are running the whole show. Either way, when they sell the company, they are no longer in the position that most appeals to them so they move on as soon as they can.

So, I wouldn't take this event too seriously, he's probably had short-timer's disease for the last six months anyway.

Re:Probably not a big deal (1)

segedunum (883035) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993094)

Every single "amicable" corporation acquisition that I have ever seen worked out the same way. The founders of the acquired company stay on board in order to help assure a smooth merger. But after about a year or so, they almost always take off for new projects.

Since when has losing good people, of their own accord, ever been 'no big deal' for any company?

Re:Probably not a big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13993223)

Since when has losing good people, of their own accord, ever been 'no big deal' for any company?

Woooosh!!!!

Since it was inevitable the day the company was acquired, that's when.

Yet another Novell failure (5, Interesting)

stryemer (34743) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992956)

Someone should put a stop to Novell. SuSE may be the next in a long line of great products (Corel, WordPerfect, etc) that Novell flushes down the toilet. It's really too bad because from my experience with SuSE was better than RedHat and Windows. Hey Novell management, fire yourselves!

Re:Yet another Novell failure (2, Insightful)

rm69990 (885744) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993378)

Red Hat's founders have left also. This could just be a case of the person not liking to work for established businesses, and instead prefering startups. He may also be a control freak, and doesn't like Novell running things the way they see fit.

Restructure... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13992968)

/ Sorry, SuSE's restructuring supposed   \
| that chamaleon got fired. Get used to  |
| me: the more efficient, featureful     |
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K5ARP, we love you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13993389)

All is forgiven. Come home.

So why no KDE?? (5, Interesting)

questro (802656) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992987)

Is this guy leaving because KDE is being dropped? I really like SuSE and have been using it for a while. KDE is a big part of that. I like the polish. Is there some license issue that's driving the KDE issue? What gives? I hate to go switching distros AGAIN! This is why I stopped using RedHat/Fedora.

Re:So why no KDE?? (4, Funny)

cloudmaster (10662) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993035)

I like the Polish too, but I'm not sure what they have to do with KDE in SuSE. Maybe if you were telling a lightbulb replacing joke it would be relevent that you like the Polish, but not here.

I'm gonna have to drive by the Weinerschnizel on the way home now, and get a Polish sandwich. Or maybe just some mini corn dogs. Yeah, I think I'll get mini corn dogs. I like the corn dogs *and* the Polish.

Re:So why no KDE?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13993394)

Troll! What the hell? I guess some moderator doesn't like the Polish...

Re:So why no KDE?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13993439)

I guess some moderator doesn't like the Polish...

Bastard. After all the Polish did to halt software patents in Europe.

Re:So why no KDE?? (1)

rm69990 (885744) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993413)

Ummm, possibly something to do with Novell trying to satisfy corporations, their major customers. Make no bones about it, you don't mean two shits to Novell when it comes to their real customers.

Oh, and a little reading on your part would show you that unless you're running Novell Linux Desktop or SLES, you can still use KDE. Of course, sensationalism and conspiracy theories are the norm around Slashdot.

Re:So why no KDE?? (0)

J.R. Random (801334) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993436)

Is there some license issue that's driving the KDE issue?

Well, of course with KDE there is that perpetual licensing issue -- commercial developers must either GPL their code or send $ to TrollTech, as KDE is based on QT. I see it as no biggie myself (if the Trolltech license fee is a show stopper you don't have a serious business plan anyway) but I'm sure the Gnome advocates at Novell pushed that issue among others.

Those Ximain Guys? (1, Redundant)

Erore (8382) | more than 8 years ago | (#13992997)

Rather interesting choice of words there at the end referring to the talent of the Ximian folks. Makes me wonder his resignation is tied to possible internal power struggles between KDE centric SUSE folks and GNOME centric Ximian developers. From last weeks announcement we know who won those battles, and it's possible his resignation is just part of the fallout.

Not Unexpected. Next Stop Bankruptcy (4, Interesting)

segedunum (883035) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993047)

Well, some of us could have told him that as soon as Novell took over Suse. Novell has a terrible track record of making anything work.

The warning signs were there when Richard Seibt and a few others left some time ago, as well as other Novell employees who didn't even come from Suse like Alan Nugent. And despite the positive spin [eweek.com] some people in the company have tried to make of this for their own ends, there's no denying that a lot of people from different parts of the company have been layed off. Yes, even a lot of Gnome oriented people have gone, which means that Novell has no resources and people whatsoever to carry out all of those desktop plans some people say they're doing. They're going to need to spend even more money just to tread water and maintain everything. Looks like there's some truth to Kurt Pfeifle's article, and Mantel's swipe that they should be able to find someone talented to replace him as a kernel developer from Ximian is telling.

Novell may end up with no Gnome or KDE at all, or even worse, no Linux. People talk about KDE and Gnome a lot, but the fact is that Novell haven't even moved to Linux - that's where the real problems are. Open Enterprise Server is a bastardised Linux OS with Netware running on top of it. What customer wants that and what's the point?! No one judging from the people not buying it and going Red Hat instead. Unless this new COO really does understand his market, the technology and what's required we're seeing Novell go bust right here. Judging from this he's got the basic concepts of how to make people redundant badly wrong. Get that wrong, throw in the towel because it's not worth the effort. You need the right people on your side, not to alienate them.

The Conversations (3, Funny)

mpapet (761907) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993048)

The guy probably heard a few of these lines before throwing in the towel.

1. Bring that point up at the next meeting.
2. Check with person X to okay Y.
3. Find out when person Z's subordinate has the time to do that task.
4. I know you preferred Option A but the company is doing Option B.
5. Fill out that form and give it to accounting and wait 30 days to get reimbursed.
7. The Board has decided to go a diffferent direction.
8. Let me run that by person A before doing anything.
9. Send me an email about it to remind me....

There's a bunch more probably much funnier too. Join in and add a few!

Re:The Conversations (3, Funny)

The Monster (227884) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993213)

10. I think we need to establish a committee to deal with that.
11. Is this initiative compatible with our Mission Statement?
12. Can we proactively leverage vertical syergies to deliver five-nines reliability?
13. We need a subcommittee to work on that aspect of your plan.
14. Now that you've written all that code, we're changing the design specs on you.
15. ...again.
16. If there's such a thing as a sub-subcommittee, we'll be needing one of those.
17. We need a cross-departmental task force to get a wider perspective on things.
18. The task force needs to divide itself into committees along departmental lines.
19. We need to make everything top priority!
20. ???
21. PROFIT!

fork it? (3, Interesting)

towsonu2003 (928663) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993082)

someone better fork (open)suse as soon as possible before it dies with novell...

Re:fork it? (1)

rm69990 (885744) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993458)

Explain to me how it would die with Novell? Does it really matter whether it forks before or after Novell dies?

Ximian division? (2, Interesting)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993126)

After all, there are lots of extremely skilled people over there in the Ximian division

    Is that a comment on mperhaps the Ximian guys being laid off too? Goddamnit, I like Suse and would hate to see Suse founder with all of the headway they've been making in the community.

I have been on the fence, but this does it (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13993157)

I've never particularly liked the leadership and vision of RedHat. I guess RPM worked on some level and put them on the map, but I've hated it since I first started having to use it.

So I've always been hoping for another group to step up. I thought I had found it with SuSE, where I experenced for the first time on Linux, something approaching a fully integrated GUI.

However, this move signals that Ximian is going to start to get their hands all over SuSE and essentially ruin it. I hated the Ximian Desktop and those guys have absolutely NO SENSE WHATSOEVER about polish and quality. They royally suck. Then, add in stupid crap like MONO and that whole nonsense, and it's so easy to decide it's not even funny. GNU classpath is almost there, Eclipse already compiles and runs on Fedora core.

You can get every level of fully community supported+bleeding edge, community supported on top of enterprise-ready (whitebox, centos, etc.), all the way to complete enterprise support.

It's been a long, hard fought and well deserved win for RedHat in the area of Linux dominance through proper leadership instead of strong-armed tactics. I'm going all Fedora/RedHat on all my new systems.

Avoid disappointment (-1, Troll)

ylikone (589264) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993238)

Don't go with ANOTHER big corp that will eventually kill it's Linux distro (namely Redhat and it's Fedora, CentOS spinoffs)... choose something really FREE (as in freedom), like Debian.

Re:Avoid disappointment (1)

rm69990 (885744) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993477)

Why would Red Hat kill Fedora? Name me one major company running Oracle on Fedora, or even on CentOS. And how exactly does Red Hat plan to kill off CentOS? Red Hat is just open sourcing yet again their last aquisition, certainly doesn't sound like their killing off anything.

Re:Avoid disappointment (1, Informative)

LnxAddct (679316) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993486)

If memory serves, Debian is having problems of its own from the leadership down. Red Hat on the other hand has never been more successful. Red Hat has contributed more to the kernel than any other entity. They are responsible for getting SELinux integrated with the kernel. They maintain and enhance GCC, and glibc. They've given us so much from a directory server, to major enhancements in the desktop. They played a key role in getting OpenOffice.org a native interface, and they contribute code to Apache. The amount that Red Hat has contributed to the community is astounding and the list could go on for ages, lets not forget GCJ allowing java to run natively on linux (this is how openoffice.org and eclipse are included in Fedora). Unlike many other distros, Red Hat doesn't just repackage other people's work... they actually code alot of it themselves. The only reason that linux is enterprise ready is because of them, the only reason that the kernel has such a good security track record for getting patches out fast is because of Red Hat. They are taking linux into whole new directions by working on Xen and Stateless Linux. Through SystemTap, they are working on giving us the capabilities of Solaris' DTrace. I think you should think before you speak. Without Red Hat, OSS would be no where near where it is today. Oh and Fedora is more free than Debian (Fedora infringed not a single patent, which Debian does), so yea choose something really free and pick Fedora.
Regards,
Steve

all I have to say is... (4, Funny)

DarkProphet (114727) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993226)

So long and thanks for all the SuSE!

(Apologies to both NOFX and the late Douglas Adams)

Wish him well (5, Interesting)

FishandChips (695645) | more than 8 years ago | (#13993268)

Perhaps it isn't very important why Hubert Mantell has left SuSE, only that he has. Much more important is a big vote of thanks to someone whose dedication and hard work have done an immense amount for SuSE and most likely for anyone who uses Linux (at lot of them will have started out with SuSE). He helped found the company, after all. Here's wishing him all the very best in life and whatever he decides to do next. Sometime soon, Novell's loss will be our gain.

For the last 2 years (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13993409)

I've felt that the perfect marriage would be Apple and Novell. Apple's Desktop products are great, but their server platform sucks. In comes Novell to provide their server platform. It makes perfect sense.
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