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Mark Rein Sets The Record Straight

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the hearsay-is-the-best-say dept.

Games 19

Eurogamer had a chance to sit down with Mark Rein, president of Epic Games. He says that many of his recent comments have been taken out of context, and need a little clarification. From the article: "I actually said Nintendo's going to make amazing games. I never really passed a judgement on the controller itself. I think the controller's cool! ... I wasn't bashing Nintendo, I wasn't bashing the controller, I was really just saying that a byproduct of having a device like this is that people are going to make games that possibly are just there because of the controller, as opposed to being great games of themselves, and I said it badly... I regret that." We've previously reported on some of these statments.

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Weak, Mark. Weak. (2, Interesting)

batmn42 (158573) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012348)

Stand behind what you said, dude! The Revolution controller IS obnoxious, and while there will be some great first party games from Nintendo, there will be lots and lots of third party crap.

If that controller is used well, it will be awesome. A lot of the games on the original EyeToy disc were great and worked well.

But did you ever play EyeToy Antigrav? Nicktoons Movin'? Operation Spy Toy?

This controller will create a few great games, but, like Rein said, it'll also create a lot of stupid games.

Re:Weak, Mark. Weak. (3, Insightful)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012476)

And this will be different from the other consoles how? For every good PS2 games, there's 7 pieces of trash. At least with the new controller, they may have momentary appeal instead of 0 appeal.

Re:Weak, Mark. Weak. (1)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 8 years ago | (#14016897)

The difference is that I don't think any console maker has actively encouraged developers to make gimmicky trash for its consoles since the Atari 2600. (Unless you count optional accessories like the Power Glove and the EyeToy, but those were never big parts of the industry.)

More likely, though, third parties just won't be making any games for the Revolution, period.

Rob

Re:Weak, Mark. Weak. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14014371)

"This controller will create a few great games, but, like Rein said, it'll also create a lot of stupid games."

Edited for accuracy:

"The video game industry will create a few great games next generation, but it'll also create a lot of stupid games."

Re:Weak, Mark. Weak. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14015930)

He did stand behind what he said. He just pointed out that he didn't say it very well.

Balls (2, Insightful)

Gogo0 (877020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012350)

Not many people in a major industry would apologize and place themselves at fault for anything (especially if it was their fault) that they said.

Kudos to Mr Rein for taking responsibility and setting the record straight.

Re:Balls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14015978)

I agree with you. I understood what he meant in the first place and I didn't think it was a slam against Nintendo or the controller. He did say Nintendo was going to make great games. But I'm glad he got a chance to set the record straight and hopefully this will relax the Nintendo fanboys a little. I think it would be great if Epic made games for the revo if it has enough power for their engine.

This guy makes a great point (2, Insightful)

technoextreme (885694) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012414)

"I wasn't bashing Nintendo, I wasn't bashing the controller, I was really just saying that a byproduct of having a device like this is that people are going to make games that possibly are just there because of the controller, as opposed to being great games of themselves, and I said it badly... I regret that."

Uggg... This quote reminds me of some of the horrible gimmicks that are used the stlyus in DS games. Take Nanostray for example. They foce you to freaking change weapons using the stlyus. It's horrible and it actually makes the game worst/awkward by including the stylus feature. Now take for example Polarium where the concept of that game actually works with using the stylus. Don't force the use of the special features. Use the special features if the premise of the game actually warrant it or otherwise would not degrade gameplay.

Re:This guy makes a great point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012676)

Change weapons using your stylus? I just use my thumb.

Re:This guy makes a great point (1)

cornface (900179) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012778)

Change weapons using your stylus? I just use my thumb.

Cheater.

Re:This guy makes a great point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012799)

But this isn't limited to systems with a unique controller interface, it is actually a problem with games in general. The majority of features put into games are not that high of quality and do not really add much in the way of enjoyment or playability; think of the average FPS games (you know the game that gets a 75%-85% on Gamerankings) how many of those games really have both a strong single player and multiplayer component? Now, wouldn't it have made more sense for a game like XIII to drop it's multiplayer mode in place of a more solid and enjoyable single player game?

Personally, I have noticed from playing both excellent and terrible games that the games that stand out are those where the developer knew their limits; certainly Metroid Prime, Zelda, or Half-Life 2 (I know of counter strike source and what not) could have had a robust multiplayer game, or Unreal Tournament and Quake 3 could have had single player campaigns, but by adding those extra features they would have detracted from the core game (the 'important' part of the game). Games that push 'Features' to sell typically (not always) are of lower quality because of how much time is wasted developing thos features.

'Unique' controller usage is just another Feature, if the developer knows their limits it will be used to its potential without taking anything away from the rest of the game.

What they're going for? (1)

miyako (632510) | more than 8 years ago | (#14013573)

While I'm sure that there will probably be a lot of obnoxious games for the Revolution (there are a lot of obnoxious games for EVERY console) I think that a lot of the games that he may have been referring to are not just obnoxious games, but instead the type of games that Nindendo hopes to have created to draw the casual gamers.
One thing to keep in mind is that a lot of the games that appeal to casual gamers are obnoxious to hard core gamers. A lot of this is that games that appeal to casual or non-gamers may, to hardcore gamers seem dull, repetitive, shallow, or gimmiky. That is not to say that no revolution games can appeal to both casual and hard-core gamers, just that I think the revolution might see a lot of games in the $20-$30 price range that resemble a lot of the rather obnoxious free java and flashgames that abound on the net.
Disclaimer: I've always been a fan of Nintendo, and will probably buy a Revolution along with one of either the PS3 or XBOX360 depending on what types of games seem to go to which console. (Where Capcom, Konami, Namco and Square-Enix go, so goes my $$$)

Re:What they're going for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14014381)

You can snick squeenix off the list - they've stated that they'll be platform neutral.

Re:What they're going for? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14014776)

All of those are or were platform "neutral". Doesn't mean they won't favour one platform or that their best games won't end up on one specific system.

"suck it" (1)

alexandreracine (859693) | more than 8 years ago | (#14014060)

...sorry that was quoted out of context. We where talking about lollipops.

Not the first time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14014553)

Mark has a history of shooting off at the mouth. The question is: does he do it on purpose to generate attention or is he just that conceited?

There are some really bright minds at Epic, but they really need to reign in Rein (pun intended). Why do you guys keep such an asshole on the payroll? Get a real tech evangelist with a higher IQ who is respected in the industry, not a laughing stock (and preferably a 'real' American not some half-baked Candadian wannabe).

I'm sure that happened here. They had to go tell Rein to shut it: Cliff likes Nintendo's Myamoto so he prolly had Rein issue a public apology. That's how it reads to me.

Re:Not the first time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14015068)

Now you're the one being the asshole. Next time you make a mistake or act silly at work we should all write emails to your boss saying you should be fired. Would you rather nobody in the game business said their opinions and just stuck to saying what you think they should say? Do you want to hear the opinions of people in the business or do you just want to hear what fanboys and journalists have to say? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, including you.

Re:Not the first time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14019343)

People can just go watch the video. [ign.com] . It's pretty clear who the asshole is. The way Rein behaves is almost like he was paid off by Microsoft to bash Nintendo and hype XBox 360. He pretty much dominates the conversation, rarely letting others on the panel speak. At one point even a guy on the panel sarcastically says, "Yay for Mark." You get the sense that even he thinks Rein is an ass.

A gimick to some and a pleasure to others. (1)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 8 years ago | (#14026301)

I recently purchased Donkey Konga for my non-gamer wife. Low and behold, SHE LOVES IT. I personally can't play it for more than ten minutes because I find it mind numbingly dull. And yet, she'll play it for an hour straight. I think we tend to forget that non-gamers want something that's simple to use, easy to learn, and instantly fun.
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