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Ignore Vista Until 2008

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the so-sayeth-the-wizard dept.

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Blakey Rat writes "According to Gartner in a research note entitled 'Ten reasons you should and shouldn't care about Microsoft's Windows Vista', businesses should wait until 2008 before installing Windows Vista, or 'pursue a strategy of managed diversity' by only bringing in new machines with Windows Vista and not upgrading existing computers. Although acknowledging the security benefits of upgrading, they explain in the report that most of the security-related benefits that come with Vista are available today through third-party software products."

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The reason not to upgrade is... (5, Insightful)

Sinryc (834433) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012279)

if its not broke, don't fix it.

Re:The reason not to upgrade is... (5, Funny)

.darkaiyen. (770089) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012291)

if its not broke, don't fix it.

wait, this IS windows we're talking about, isn't it?

Re:The reason not to upgrade is... (2)

Sinryc (834433) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012310)

Windows works for what I need it, DVDs, Games, Music, ANYTHING I want to do. So, I wont fix it. Also, I will soon be using this machine for DVD productions. :-D

Re:The reason not to upgrade is... (4, Funny)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012529)

Some great movies have been made using windows : Crash , Unstable , Dos Boot , Virus,The spy(ware) Who shagged me , Homers The Iliad (Think troy) and Dawn of the dead.

Re:The reason not to upgrade is... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012397)

Insightful? Funny, maybe the first 40k or 50k times it has been said, but certainly not insightful.

Re:The reason not to upgrade is... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012460)

People using Windows don't mind the aesthetic mediocrity that permeates the Windows philosophy--bugginess, superfluous and distracting animation, gratuitous gradients, ugly icons, egregiously unintuitive behavior--because they don't expect or demand excellence in their daily lives. They, the undiscriminating masses, don't even know what to look for. Therefore, there will be no reason for them to seek out an upgrade; Vista will only catch on as Dell begins bundling it with their $199 shitbox-of-the-week.

Some of us are different. Some of us know beauty [atspace.com] when we see it, and we are naturally drawn [atspace.com] towards quality. We are the Mac users of the world, [atspace.com] and we'll be chasing big cats even as the rest of you people sink lower and lower into your cloacina of depraved oblivion [atspace.com] .

Re:The reason not to upgrade is... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012657)

wait, this IS windows we're talking about, isn't it?

Sooo.... it's broken, and they won't fix it

Re:The reason not to upgrade is... (3, Insightful)

BigDork1001 (683341) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012327)

if its not broke, don't fix it.

My NES still works but I bought a SNES. That still worked but I bought a 64 and then a GC. My X-Box still works and someday long after launch I'll get a 360. They weren't broke but I upgraded.

2000 worked pretty well for the most part(not too broken) but many people are running XP these days. XP isn't too broken but in the future many people will be using Vista. Improvements in functionality, security, and ease of use will eventually lead me to Vista. I don't plan on diving in the day it's released or anything but eventuall I will buy it and install it on my machines.

Re:The reason not to upgrade is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012429)

You just won't be able to activate XP anymore once Vista is released.

Re:The reason not to upgrade is... (1)

MasamuneXGP (824006) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012341)

Until Microsoft breaks it for you and forces you to fix it.

I'm completely happy with XP and don't plan on upgrading to Vista immediately, but it's a reality that not long after its release, we'll start seeing programs that will only run on Vista.

Re:The reason not to upgrade is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012590)

programs and/or hardware

Re:The reason not to upgrade is... (4, Funny)

cshark (673578) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012462)

God willing, I will be ignoring windows vista for much longer than that.

Re:The reason not to upgrade is... (4, Insightful)

MoogMan (442253) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012474)

(Unfortunately) this is also the same reasoning for not transitioning over to Linux

MOD PARENT FUNNY (1)

McGiraf (196030) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012595)

MOD PARENT FUNNY

lol

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012280)

FP! (I hope)

first post niggers! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012285)

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Vista (1)

Bumjubeo (849737) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012289)

But by then it will be Windows 2008, and it will still be a glorified Windows XP!

Perfectly Right! (2, Funny)

c0l0 (826165) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012292)

Of course I did not RTFA, but they must be speaking of "Third Party" Software Products such as, for instance, GNU/Linux or *BSD.
;-)

Jack... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012403)

...meet Ass.

drop the "until 2008" (-1)

mAIsE (548) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012294)

There are far better alternatives than using mickeysoft

Re:drop the "until 2008" (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012610)

Nope, sorry, that won't make it as the great 'M$' replacement. Thanks for playing.

What 2008? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012302)

I'm still using Windows 98 so I guess I'll be upgrading in 2018 - ?

Maybe we should ignore it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012307)

because the technology to run Vista won't exist until 2008.

2008 and beyond (0)

smartdreamer (666870) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012309)

Ignore Vista until 2008 or eternity, whatever is farther.

Perhaps we should wait until 2008 (-1, Offtopic)

hellfire (86129) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012315)

Because that is when it will actually be released?

Okay... now taking bets if I get modded Funny or Insightful. Think about it.

Re:Perhaps we should wait until 2008 (4, Funny)

JoeShmoe950 (605274) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012342)

I wish there was an "EgoManiac" mod.

Ha! Mod that up! (1)

hellfire (86129) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012369)

Now that was funny :)

Re:Perhaps we should wait until 2008 (1, Flamebait)

Master of Transhuman (597628) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012377)

How about being modded "Redundant" since someone said the same thing a little ways above you?

Okay, I give you the benefit of the doubt - since it's in the first few posts, the other poster probably hadn't shown up yet.

I'll go find the one-hundred-fiftieth post that will say the same thing...

Amazing (5, Interesting)

shmlco (594907) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012318)

Amazing how many things stay the same. I remember reading the same headlines for XP, W2K, and NT.

Though this article is pretty lame. First time I've read, "Ten reasons you should and shouldn't care about Microsoft's Windows Vista client," in a summary and the linked article doesn't even bother to list them.

This is news?

Re:Amazing (3, Informative)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012497)

The wrong text is linked. That text is the title of the Gartner article that the zdnet.uk article is written about. The Gartner article itself isn't available for public consumption, as far as I can tell.

Re:Amazing (1, Interesting)

Trigun (685027) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012511)

The same can be said about any new technology. Take the HD-DVD. Any old movies will not look perceptably better in HD, there is the need to re-create your DVD Library, and the price of new movies will be higher, due to early-adopter tax.

I do not see a company which is going to completely rebuild their infrastructure for Vista, unless there is an absolute need to. The hardware costs alone are going to be substantial, not to mention migrating applications from NT4. It's just not going to happen overnight. 2008 seems about when most users would start adopting it.

Re:Amazing (4, Informative)

cens0r (655208) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012562)

Any old movies will not look perceptably better in HD

WTF? If they do another scan of the film at a higher resolution before compressing it into and HD stream anything that was shot on film will look better in HD. In fact most films are scanned in in resolutions beyond what is needed for HD already, simply because they know HD is coming and it's cheaper to just scan the film stock once.

Now certain movies and TV shows were shot on video and not film, and these will show no improvement. But they are the exception and not the rule.

Re:Amazing (5, Insightful)

smartin (942) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012514)

Exactly, I wish I had mod points to mod you up. Each new generation of Microsoft operating system is suppose to fix the problems of the past, but each new generation continues to have them. The reason of course is that they simply can't throw the old crap away because they want backwards compatibility. M$ should really take a lesson from Apple when they switched to OS X. Toss the old code base and start new with a tried and true Unix kernel. Provide an emulation environment if you have to but toss it all out and go with what is known to work.

Re:Amazing (5, Funny)

JPriest (547211) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012583)

That is quite possibly the most impressive /. UID I have ever seen, can I touch it?

Re:Amazing (1)

bhalo05 (865352) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012587)

Well, I'm pretty sure Mac OS X has a few problems of its own. In fact, as long as they have to sell new versions of the software, it's nothing but logical to put the flaws of the previous product as an alleged advantage of the new one.

It's just how commercial software vendors play the game, and MS it's not the only one playing this way.

Re:Amazing (1)

JPriest (547211) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012543)

The sad thing is some poor company (or government orginization) paid them thousands of $ to come up with that. I think they took their XP report that said the same thing and just replaced in Vista everywhere it said XP. Gartner certianly does hire many B.S. graduates.

So.... (1, Insightful)

Doc Squidly (720087) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012319)

...is this more about the quality of Microsoft's current offerings or their inability to make any advances that would provide value to the business customer?

Or...Does a business really need a 3-D desktop?

Re:So.... (1)

Shinaku (757671) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012366)

A 2 dimentional display? How ever did we manage?

Re:So.... (1)

nizo (81281) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012431)

Now THAT is a feature I could use! Those huge 2" thick LCD monitors take up way too much space on my desk.

Re:So.... (2, Funny)

Shinaku (757671) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012398)

(Ignore above post, meddling kids!)

"It's been years since I used a 2 dimentional control interface, how ever did we manage?" - Julian Bashire from an imperfect DS9 future

Re:So.... (2, Funny)

Dan_Bercell (826965) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012425)

Well if the differences in Office 12 require Vista to have all the new UI things then YES. The new features in Office 12 will mean a huge increase in productivity.

Re:So.... (2, Insightful)

Bassman59 (519820) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012483)

"Well if the differences in Office 12 require Vista to have all the new UI things then YES. The new features in Office 12 will mean a huge increase in productivity."

Phooey. Most users don't bother with 90% of the features of the current Office.

Re:So.... (1)

no_pets (881013) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012430)

So, does a business need a 3-D desktop? No.

Does a PHB want/"need"/request/expect a 3-D desktop. Probably, considering said PHB has one at home/read about how cool/needed it is.

Summary: Too Little, Too Late (4, Interesting)

rsborg (111459) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012328)

Seems as if Gartner, the analyst who was deeply in love with Microsoft in the nineties, has turned sour on them lately.
The majority of improvements in Vista will be security-related and most of this functionality "is available via third-party products today"
Ouch.
"Search is slow in Windows XP and files, email and calendar objects cannot be found with a single search." While Microsoft has tried to remedy this in Vista, "competent third-party desktop tools are already available" from companies like Google, Gartner pointed out.
I'd hate to be furniture in Ballmer's office.

My main problem with the article was the lack of options specified:

The analysts acknowledged that companies who use IE7 and Vista will have fewer points of weakness.
Or you could just install Firefox, with the foxie plugin, and get completely secure browsing for all sites, and great Triton/IE support for intranet/extranet legacy webapps.

Re:Summary: Too Little, Too Late (5, Insightful)

dslauson (914147) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012401)

"Seems as if Gartner, the analyst who was deeply in love with Microsoft in the nineties, has turned sour on them lately."
Keep in mind that he's still recommending Windows. He's not so soft on it that he's tell you to install Linux or BSD.

To me, it sounds like the guy's not really trying to rip on Windows, so much as he's offering sound business advice. Right? I mean, what's the benefit of rushing out and buying the latest version when the current one coupled with the third party software that you probably already have installed, is perfectly adequate?

Re:Summary: Too Little, Too Late (2, Informative)

SRA8 (859587) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012499)

While installing Firefox with various plugins may be a simple decision for you as a personal user or small business, it is often a much large decision for a Fortune 500 company. Previous applications, particularly internally built and deployed applications, may rely on IE for functionality. YES -- you'll say that was a stupid decision, but given time/cost constraints and corporate sprawl, can you *really* prevent that from happening in a large organization? OK, with that out of the way, switching browsers is not simple. Many of these applications will break. Business users will be upset and raise hell for IT. IT's best bet will be stick with IE. No one ever gets fired for deploying IE -- because every problem will be in the papers and will be "known issues." Deploy Firefox and, while you may be adding value, you risk your job because you're vouching personally for a product unknown by business folks.

Re:Summary: Too Little, Too Late (2, Informative)

bunnyman (121652) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012612)

Or you could just install Firefox, with the foxie plugin, and get completely secure browsing for all sites, and great Triton/IE support for intranet/extranet legacy webapps.

What, this Foxie? [getfoxie.com]

It's not a Firefox plugin at all. It's an IE plugin! It's not related to Firefox in any way except that they are hijacking the brand name. Don't let them get away with it.

Let's jump the gun because we're researchers (1)

external400kdiskette (930221) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012329)

and have nothing to do so why not just make it up. Why not wait until it's released in its final form before deciding whether to ignore it up until exzactly 2008 or not.

Re:Let's jump the gun because we're researchers (2, Informative)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012415)

It is possible that they have, you know, evaluated the beta? Huh?

Not only Vista... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012334)

I've been totally ignoring Microsoft for about a year now and I must admit it's been quite an easy life.
Why should one care about what Microsoft does, releases or says? Keep ignoring them until they go away.

And they *will* go away.

Re:Not only Vista... (1)

Bumjubeo (849737) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012371)

Yeah, they will go away, right after the majority of businesses, and individuals stop buying all their software like it was candy. Microsoft is onto something, they make software that is easy to use and everyone knows how to use it, for the average joe user, their software is awesome....how many average joe users does the world have, a lot. So no they *wont* go away. I've been trying to ignore them until they go away as well, but I have lost faith. :)

Re:Not only Vista... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012508)

I think it's more a case of people stopping to install pirated copies of their stuff. When people stop doing that (therefore, ignoring), they'll realize that Microsoft's software is too damn expensive for the quality that you get.

For instance, when was the last time anyone felt confidence in using Windows? I mean, do you feel safe using it, or will you run and install shit loads of extra software to protect your machine, right after installing the damn thing?

If you go to the single restaurant in your area and their food is awful and quite expensive, will you keep going back or will you go eat elsewhere? Same thing here, I think. The difference is that if you try to run away without paying at the restaurant you'll get a punch in the face but when pirating a copy of Windows, you're pretty much on the safe side because you're anonymous and won't get any physical damage.

But XP is already 4 years old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012336)

Won't Microsoft stop providing security patches after 5 years or so?

Hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012340)

... because it'll be at least that long before the *average* user has hardware that comes close to meeting the system requirements?

Re:Hardware (2, Informative)

Aggressiva (883402) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012633)

Vista's requirements are not that higher than XP, something released years ago, it's just that if you want, you can use more of your system to get a prettier interface. If they didn't do this, slashdoters would be complaining that their system is unused and windows uses ancient technology.

11th Reason.. (3, Funny)

loconet (415875) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012344)

It will be delayed again.

Re:11th Reason.. (12th Reason) (1)

slashname3 (739398) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012645)

The competition to have the longest running Windows 2000 server will start heating up in 2008.

Oh, great (2, Funny)

FluffyWithTeeth (890188) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012356)

Does this mean it will be released before 2008, then?

And this is news... how? (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012359)

"Don't install a brand-new software that hasn't yet been thoroughly tested." Of course that's a good advice, but is it really necessary to tell this to people? Well, maybe it'll add some credibility to the IT staff's complaints when someone from middle mismanagement wants to switch the entire infrastructure to Vista or soething...

Re:And this is news... how? (1)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012509)

How is it news? Vista is only Microsoft's big company gamble in attempting to maintain relevance and revenue after six years of stagnant Windows XP. Along with the hardware upgrade cycle they missed this year, things are looking dour for MSFT.

Ten reasons?? (5, Insightful)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012360)

Heck. I can give you ONE reason not to move to Vista, and it's all you need.

Trusted Computing.

'nuff said.

Re:Ten reasons?? (3, Insightful)

dumeinst (664891) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012464)

aye aye.
People who don't know what this really implies are going to be dumbfounded when they find out

This is always the case. (1)

Raven42rac (448205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012389)

I'd rather have a more secure product out of the box, rather than having to not plug it in without installing a virus scanner, pop-up blocker, spyware blocker, et al. This has always been the evolution of operating systems, rolling in things that only third party applications did before. /me afk, installing Dave.

By that time... (5, Interesting)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012390)

...I'll already have ReactOS [reactos.com] installed in my PC. Oh, btw, this week ReactOS reached version 0.2.8.

Of course, ReactOS will be installed in a dual-boot with the latest Linux, which I hope, will be user-and-hardware friendly by then.

As long as Linux keeps providing me with... (3, Interesting)

ylikone (589264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012391)

... a cheap, free (as in freedom), reliable solution, I will continue to ignore Microsoft products for the forseeable future. Everybody knows MS is dead in the long run.

The Microsoft Solution... (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012395)

... most of the security-related benefits that come with Vista are available today through third-party software products ...

Besides ruining the entire rational of a Microsoft Solution (i.e., upgrade the sucker and pay the man), why invest in third-party products that you're going to discard when you upgrade to Windows Vista? Just bite the bullet and enjoy the pain. Or wait until the first Service Pack comes out.

Re:The Microsoft Solution... (2, Insightful)

Jason Earl (1894) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012656)

Sure, and while you are waiting for Windows Vista to actually ship you can just run your business with some paper and a stack of pencils.

Gartner has this one right. Unless you are willing to eschew using computers altogether you have to invest in the third-party products now. When Vista does ship you could toss that investment out the Window (ha ha) and pay extra to get Windows Vista, or you can simply hold off on purchasing Windows Vista until purchasing new machines. Considering the number of businesses that are still running Windows 2000, I expect that Windows XP should be Microsoft's most popular OS for some time to come.

In Soviet Russia... (2, Funny)

J_Darnley (918721) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012396)

Vista ignores you till 2008.

Re:In Soviet Russia... (1)

loakers (925219) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012636)

hehe, funny cos its true :)

Nukem Forever (2, Funny)

Megane (129182) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012409)

So will OS X be at version 10.6, 10.7, or 10.8 by the time Vista is released? Will Duke Nukem Forever be released by then? Will we achive sustained nuclear fusion? Will we have flying cars? Warp drive?

I'll give you one good reason.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012416)

OSX.

why wait until 2008? (1)

joeyspqr (629639) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012432)

... i can buy an x86 Mac in 2006
or a dual core 64 bit PPC one today

o wait i'm broke

... i can install suse 10 today
or install ubuntu today

why 2008? (1)

blandthrax (575357) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012459)

Is this the year that Microsoft announces its first Vista service patch?

Isn't this Already the "Word on the Street"? (5, Interesting)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012478)

Where I work we still have more Win2K than XP Pro because the move from NT4 to AD was a long and involved process for 3000+ machines and a team of 3 people to do it. When we got to Win2K AD (we STILL have NT4 domains because of crap legacy software we HAVE to have!) the move to XP was not relished. We've been doing it a building at a time now (60 buildings) and it's going. But this is 2005 going on 2006 and XP came out in 2002. So, you could say we are doing "managed diversity" in a big way. I don't see how this approach to Vista is any different than the way most wise insitutions proceed.

Re:Isn't this Already the "Word on the Street"? (1)

jtorkbob (885054) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012621)

Just to clarify, is this staff of three the entire IT staff or a team dedicated to migrations?

Gartner... pfft. (1)

BlueNexus (95800) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012479)

These guys are like a washed out Hollywood star. They only seem to say and do things to get media attention.

Some exmaples:
Death to IDS! All hail IPS! [gartner.com]
Well, duh... [slashdot.org]
Arrhh, there be Pirates here

To be fair, I guess they got one right [slashdot.org] The sad part is that I have worked for people who take these announcements as Gospel. "Gartner says..."
Whatever.

Duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012481)

Well duh, wut did you think i was going to do? Pay 250 euros for it?

still ignoring XP !! (1)

javaxman (705658) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012482)

I can't even *think* of ignoring Vista yet, I'm still too busy ignoring XP !

Really, by the time Vista actually sees the light of day, won't there be Intel Powerbooks sitting around soaking up any spare attention I might have ?

Laughing at these articles is as much attention as Vista is likely to get from me ( or the company I work for ) any time soon...

Reason #1... (1)

Alan (347) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012492)

#1 - expected release date is 2008(*)...

* With adjustment for slippages from expected 2006 release date

Re:Reason #1... (1)

nexxuz (895394) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012540)

Don't you mean the original release date in 2003!

Hmm. 2008? (1)

mw13068 (834804) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012502)

I intend to ignore it for far longer than that.

Ignore Vista? (1)

8127972 (73495) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012506)

Isn't that what /.'ers are already doing?

#11 (1)

Tom (822) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012516)

I hope they didn't forget to include the main reason, or if they did, consider it #11:

Microsoft has never, ever, got anything right on the first try. If you even consider switching a company network to Vista before Service Pack 1 is out, you should be liable for any damages due to gross negliegence.

So how about...Macs (1)

kungfustickman (844388) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012517)

So what? Mac users often have to wait 2 years between upgrades. I know a friend who can only afford to upgrade his Mac OS ever other update.

superfluous advice (0)

toby (759) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012527)

I was planning on ignoring it at least through 2088 anyway.

One reason TO upgrade ASAP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012535)

Vista, supposedly, fixed the nasty "ALT+F4" bug in XP. The bug, in case anyone wants to check their system, causes a system crash when you press "ALT" and "F4" at the same time. Go on... Try it now...

Video Games (1)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012549)

I would still be using win2000 if it had cleartype and remote desktop. As for search features, I dont think it will help Thunderbird, so no reason to upgrade. And firefox instead of IE and tabs.

Firewall, I have a nat router for that reason and turned off upnp, and avg freeware.

Quicker tcp/ip stack, now if it improves my downloads or ping, maybe we have a winner.

No need to hurry (1)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012555)

I still haven't tried XP properly, and here I see Win2K running pretty much everywhere. It's stable, well known, and works on fairly old computers. No need to upgrade to something newer.

Linux is different though. Some distributions stay fixed, some like Gentoo are gradually upgraded. But at least they don't suddenly switch to a new interface, start requiring twice the amount of memory and introduce restrictions that are only for Microsoft's benefit.

funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012559)

that the majority of PC's sold in *2006* will come with *Windows 2001* installed.

improved Kerberos support is a reason to upgrade (1)

Cajal (154122) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012566)

One important reason *to* upgrade to Vista is its improved Kerberos support - it will finally support AES Kerberos tickets. Not only is this more secure than Microsoft's current RC4-based tickets, but it should make interoperability with other platforms much easier.

This is the LAST Windows you'll ever buy!! (4, Funny)

malraid (592373) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012570)

That's right, every version afterwards will most likely be rented. Vista is just to get everybody slowly by slowly dependant on DRM for day-to-day activities.

Hmm (1)

linforcer (923749) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012584)

That titile has two words too many. No, wait, actually, the entire article is reduntant.

"managed Diversity"? (1)

n6kuy (172098) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012597)

> 'pursue a strategy of managed diversity' by only bringing in new machines with Windows Vista and not upgrading existing computers.

Who upgrades Windows on existing machines anyway?
3 years old and they're done as far as Business is concerned.

dfof@comcast.net (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012603)

dfof@comcast.net

You need 10 reasons? (5, Insightful)

vertinox (846076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012619)

I only need 4 reasons not to upgrade.

1. OS X
2. Ubuntu
3. Win2000
4. $250

Re:You need 10 reasons? (1)

vandit2k6 (848077) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012661)

I just need one reason not to upgrade: 1. SUSE 10

"Upgrade" boycott doesn't ignore Vista (3, Insightful)

CDPatten (907182) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012623)

A big problem with his premise is no companies would be able to purchase a computer from Dell, HP, IBM, etc. until 2008. As soon as Vista is released they will stop offering XP (almost immediately), and start offering only Vista. It's the way of the world. You can erase vista and install XP, but that would be foolish, not to mention they got a license for Vista with the purchase of the machine.

I'm also disagree with his reasons, but I'm not going to take the "flame-bait" ;)

2008? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14012627)

I was planning on ignoring Vista _way_ beyond 2008...

Windows ME all over again? (2, Insightful)

StarvingSE (875139) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012637)

It sounds like vista is to xp, as ME was to win98. I don't see anything revolutionary in it that is worth spending money upgrading. The article hits it right on the spot I think. It doens't seem to improve the core OS, it just seems like they are adding/fixing other software like IE7 and Windows Defender. Most people I know have moved to firefox to fix their browser security issues and have at least a few anti-spyware solutions.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem like they could even break software compatibility with XP users since they are so similar.

Ignore Vista Until 2008 (5, Funny)

oztiks (921504) | more than 8 years ago | (#14012640)

Only until 2008? I was hoping to ignore it for much longer then that :)
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