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New Server Chip Niagara

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the sounds-like-and-still-gets-you-excited dept.

Sun Microsystems 307

* * Beatles-Beatles writes "Sun recently announced their latest release in server technology. The UltraSparc T1 processor, code-named Niagara, has eight computing engines on a single chip, with each core capable of handling up to four tasks at once." With this new processor Sun hopes to get a leg up on the competition. The Niagra chip is being billed as an "eco-friendly" chip because of its low power requirements. From the article: " [...] removing the world's Web servers and replacing them with half the number of UltraSparc T1-based systems would have the same effect on carbon dioxide emissions as planting 1 million trees."

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Sun has the fix for global warming! (5, Funny)

sgtboost (915361) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025413)

Just buy their new processor...it's equivalent to planting a megajillion trees!

Re:Sun has the fix for global warming! (1)

beh (4759) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025696)

Unfortunately, it won't solve the global warming problem - because if everyone switched their web servers to the Sun machines, that would only be used as an excuse to log another million trees for some short-sighted profit...

Re:Sun has the fix for global warming! (1)

repruhsent (672799) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025829)

I say log 'em all. They don't serve a purpose.

Warning! Read the fine print (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025744)

Trees sold separatly!

Re:Sun has the fix for global warming! (1)

kpwoodr (306527) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025811)

Unfortunately, they neglect to tell you that the making of the new processors consumes a megajillion trees. So after you plant the megajillion equivalent, you're back to where we are now. Only with better servers...

Firs gnnnnnaaaaaa (0, Flamebait)

Helen Keller (842669) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025414)

Mneh read lkjlkthatjlkj viaghghghgra?

In future news (0)

Stephan Seidt (803125) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025415)

The Fall of Niagara

NIAGARA FALLS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025584)

Slooooooowly I turned. Step by step. Inch by inch...

/3 Stooges fan :)

Sorry, but I have to say it... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025416)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!

Please... the puns are too easy (-1, Redundant)

JamesD_UK (721413) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025417)

Is anyone waiting to see how long it is before Sun and the Niagra falls?

Apple need this (-1, Offtopic)

Lucky Kevin (305138) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025420)

Think of a powerbook with one of these in it!

Re:Apple need this (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025471)

low power requirements != low enough for a laptop.

Niagra = 70 watts
G4 = 19 watts

Better yet (0, Offtopic)

tezbobobo (879983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025534)

no wait, imagine a PowerMac with a dual processor setup. Why, that would be... practically a super compooder.

nasty stuff (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025421)

What about all the real nasty chemicals that go into the manufacturing process of chips .. eg arsenic and acid !!!

Re:nasty stuff (2, Interesting)

youngerpants (255314) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025532)

Arsenic = Naturally occuring substance (you know when potatoes grow a green scum... thats arsenic)

Acid = Oh no, not acid, which type, I really hope it isnt ascorbic acid, nasty that one, I try to avoid it at all costs... hey, my teeth have all fallen out

Re:nasty stuff (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025781)

Your comparison of the types and amounts of arsenic and the acids used in photolithography is disingenuous at best. Go into any chip-fab plant and look at the cyanide emergency kits on the wall to get some idea of what they deal with in reality. I worked with people who did chip-fab in another part of our lab and one of them died from a phosgene leak. Acids they use include hydrocyanic acid (cyanide poisoning) and a variety of heavy metals for doping.

By the why, the green discoloration on potatoes that grow exposed to the sun is chlorophyll and solanine with small amounts of arsenic. You'd get a tummy ache from eating a green potato as opposed to the amounts used in chip-fab.

Re:nasty stuff (5, Insightful)

moro_666 (414422) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025796)

indeed, you have acid's all over the place.

alcohol is acid, quite a weak one, but still having the effects and reactions as the rest of acids have.
most of the batteries that you throw into your ipod contain acid, so does the battery in your car.
if you let CO2 and water together, they create a nice (and a bit unstable) carbonic acid, and that is basically all over the place.
even your body contains so many acids that i would get a ban on slashdot for even naming all of these.
compared to the acids created by gasoline engines and powerstations in the atmosphere, the electionics production isn't even worth mentioning.

sun is making the right move, more computing power for less watt-per-hour, and if they can spare the energy used during producing too, it's even better (and more profitable for them, since they pay for that). having a 200W P4 screaming under your table just to play solitaire is really wicked from the energetic point of view. so is driving an engine overbloated suv just to get one fat butt from one place to another. regular swedish buses that carry 30 people have the same size of engines as hummers or corvettes, sniffing the word 'wasted' anywhere ?

while this cpu will be nogood for playing doom3, it will be a very good chip for handling many many many threads'n'processes at once and therefor be ideal for running webservers and mailservers and other type of multiple client handling services. way to go sun, i hope amd will do an amd athlon 64 X32 some time soon too :)

too bad i can't afford this stuff anytime soon :(

sadly when you are interested in the price of the latest server, you're not rich enough to buy it

Re:nasty stuff (4, Insightful)

wytcld (179112) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025581)

Chips will be manufactured anyway. The question is what the useful lifetime of the chips that are manufactured is, and what the power consumption of those chips over their lifetime will be, in ratio to the work they perform.

Sparc's strength in the early Internet days was always throughput - even under load - rather than speed. Sun also built more reliable hardware. I switched from Sun to AMD/Linux for Webservers early on, but with energy costs rising quickly, I'll be taking another look at Sun. Where these probably can matter most is for large Web farms, which currently tend to be commodity Linux boxen. But those are throw-away machines - chips headed onward to the landfill after just a couple years.

My link to the abc news business section? (1)

brejc8 (223089) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025423)

There must be 100 better sources [google.co.uk] out there to link to.

Easy (5, Funny)

Laz10 (708792) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025424)

Let's go plant some trees then.

It is a pretty safe bet that 1 million trees are way cheaper than Sun technology.

Re:Easy (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025462)

I wonder how they calculated that figure... can someone convert to LoC please?

Here's some info on Carbon Neutral Calculations: http://www.menofthetrees.com.au/calculations.html [menofthetrees.com.au]

Re:Easy (3, Interesting)

Moby Cock (771358) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025480)

I doubt they considered the enegy expended in creating this new design and manufacturing this new design. I'd like to see how they came up with such nonsense.

Re:Easy (5, Funny)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025514)

First, they bent over. Then they reached in their ass. Lastly they published it as fact.

Sounds like an anti-slogan (3, Funny)

suso (153703) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025574)

How about: I'd rather plant a tree than run on a Sun.

Re:Easy (1)

malaprohibita (924587) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025625)

My vote is for the trees.

Or even easier.... (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025740)

Stop buying wood products that don't come from renewable sources, that's basically all hard woods.

Damn! (1, Offtopic)

ViaNRG (892147) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025428)

My computing engine needs an oil change!

Better link (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025431)

Better link here [sun.com] .

Right. (3, Funny)

Skye16 (685048) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025438)

" [...] removing the world's Web servers and replacing them with half the number of UltraSparc T1-based systems would have the same effect on carbon dioxide emissions as planting 1 million trees."
I'm sure it would. But then, after replacing all these servers with the UltraSparc T1-based systems, we'd have to cut down 1 million trees just to print the money Sun would be making back in profit. Weeee!

Re:Right. (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025472)

Curses, beaten to it. You ommited the golden phrase "gigantic sacks of cash" though.

Re:Right. (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025495)

Yes, because when I order a server over the mail or the internet, I pay only in $1 bills, because I want to keep myself safe from identity theft. Paper money... I love it! 3

Re:Right. (1)

tezbobobo (879983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025561)

Well hotdamn! I'll go out and replace my home server,a 486 which serves about 30 pages a day of Redhat and provides access to my home network. I'll just go get my wallet.

Re:Right. (1)

Chilles (79797) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025739)

No no no, the meant to say that they care so much about the environment that they will give you one of these UltraSparc T1 based systems if you turn in two of your devices capable of serving web pages.

Re:Right. (3, Interesting)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025575)

"[...] removing the world's Web servers and replacing them with half the number of UltraSparc T1-based systems would have the same effect on carbon dioxide emissions as planting 1 million trees."

Removing the world's Web servers and not replacing them at all would have an even better effect on carbon dioxide emissions.

I'm curious as to how they calculated it, though. Are they talking 1 year running time or 100? Are they taking into account the energy required to build those new systems? Do they supply the new hardware's manuals on paper? How does it compare to a similar scenario using other replacement hardware?

Re:Right. (1)

Skye16 (685048) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025616)

Also, what kind of trees are we talking? What size/age? Are we talking lil' 3' high sprouts? Or 100 year old oaks?

Re:Right. (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025819)

Sadly, all of the new Sun CPUs are made out of wood.

Except... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025444)

removing the world's Web servers and replacing them with half the number of UltraSparc
T1-based systems would have the same effect on carbon dioxide emissions as planting 1
million trees.


... exactly where would all these other systems go to? Landfill? Recycling stations/stock piles?

Sales droids. Ugh.

I don't know about the rest of the world (1)

brokeninside (34168) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025526)

But in the US, most schools would gladly accept the old systems as donations.

Re:I don't know about the rest of the world (2, Insightful)

ray-auch (454705) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025585)

In that case the old inefficient systems would still be running, using power, hence no environmental gain.

The only way to get the claimed environmental gain would be if the old systems were never used again - which then does raise the landfill etc. issues

I don't think that follows (1)

brokeninside (34168) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025751)

If the old systems were servers, they were probably on 24x7. If used for education, they very well might only be used 8 hours per day, or even only 8 hours per week. It depends on how they are put to use. For example, if donated to schools, the schools turn around and sell the machines to salvage companies to recycle the steel cases, strip the mother boards of precious metals, etc. Certainly there would still be some landfill impact, but not as much as you're thinking there will be.

Re:I don't think that follows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025830)

A rack-mounted Sun for every child!

Will they have to share the JBOD though?

raw power (4, Interesting)

emptybody (12341) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025451)

Niagara systems take the concept of dual core processors (with which most of you are familiar), and goes to an absolute extreme - building 8 cores, each capable of running 4 jobs simultaneously (4 threads), onto a single chip. Doing the math, we'll be delivering a 32-way chip, running 9.6GHz, which sips power (about 70 watts). [sun.com] , JonathanSchwartz BLOG.

This is why I got into Sysadmin 15 years ago.
To play with big honkin fast machines and new technology that makes your head spin.
Just musing about the name. Think of your kitchen sink faucet.
Now think of all the faucets in your house turned on at once.
Now think of all the faucets on your street turned on too.
Add all the faucets in your community.
Keep on thinking of how many faucets in how many communities it would take to equal the raw power behind something so large as Niagra falls.

Am I hooked?
You bet.

Re:raw power (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025828)

I see.. They save trees and you waste water.

What about I/O? (4, Insightful)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025453)

Eight cores at four threads is 32 simultaneous threads. Nice, but what about memory bandwith? Each thread needs proper I/O if this is actually going to do any good... Anyone have any real info on this marchitecture?

Re:What about I/O? (4, Informative)

SQL Error (16383) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025505)

Specs here [sun.com] . Four 144-bit DDR2-533 interfaces. That's more memory bandwidth than a quad-Opteron system.

Re:What about I/O? (1)

RzUpAnmsCwrds (262647) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025567)

"That's more memory bandwidth than a quad-Opteron system."

Yes, but with considerably more latency. DDR2 is great until you realize that the latency effectively kills any performance advantage you had with higher clocks. DDR2-533 is about as fast as DDR-400.

Re:What about I/O? (1)

photon317 (208409) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025754)


The new Opterons on the new socket architecture actually will have DDR2, it was just announced publicly a week ago or so.

Re:What about I/O? (3, Interesting)

HaydnH (877214) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025516)

Sun always builds their systems to be balanced and avoid bottlenecks, it's the first thing you learn about on the internal training courses so needless to say the I/O is fast enough. [sun.com]

Haydn.

Re:What about I/O? (3, Informative)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025570)

The 4 threads per core is designed exactly for that issue. If a thread is waiting for memory, execution can proceed on a different thread.

Dumb (4, Funny)

pubjames (468013) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025454)

Dear Sun,

RE: your statement:

Removing the world's Web servers and replacing them with half the number of UltraSparc T1-based systems would have the same effect on carbon dioxide emissions as planting 1 million trees.

Please engage brain before opening mouth.

Thanks.

Re:Dumb (1)

Harrakis (700823) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025502)

You are right on the money here, unless SUN has found a way to power a computer from CO2 in the air...

Re:Dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025578)

I wonder, if they just plain old halved the number of webservers would it still save 1 million trees?

Re:Dumb (1)

frostfreek (647009) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025810)

building 8 cores, each capable of running 4 jobs simultaneously (4 threads), onto a single chip. Doing the math, we'll be delivering a 32-way chip, running 9.6GHz, which sips power (about 70 watts). [sun.com], JonathanSchwartz BLOG.

Apparently, their brain was already fully engaged in multiplying 4 and 8 together.

Comparisons to the cell? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025455)

These processors are a step in a different direction. Like the cell processor, they lack features like branch prediction, have small, very simple pipelines, etc. However, that isn't really all that bad, esp. on some tasks where your CPU is mostly just idling waiting for IO to finish anyway. I wonder if these "simple but gets the job done" CPUs will see an even wider market in the future. As the article said, they are cheaper and consume less power than their competitors

Re:Comparisons to the cell? (5, Informative)

Quicksilver (41094) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025536)

Not really the same thing at all. The cell uses one master to control several specialized units. Niagara is just what is sounds like. 8 cores on 1 piece of silicon. They all are the same and the all can run any Sparc code.... unlike the Cell which isn't compatible with anything and each unit can only work on what it is specialized in.

Re:Comparisons to the cell? (1)

t35t0r (751958) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025813)

The Cell is an asynchronous SMP and the SunT1 is a synchronous SMP machine. The Cell processor has one master CPU with multiple "DSP" [wikipedia.org] chips or cores. The SunT1 has multiple CPU cores.

Threatening activists (1, Funny)

eebra82 (907996) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025461)

So now I can extract more money from tree-hugging activists by saying that I will get a first generation Itanium, UNLESS they give me whatever's equivalent to power savings and planted trees.

GIVE ME $5,000,000 OR I'LL GET ITANIUM INSTEAD OF NIAGARA!!

And... (4, Funny)

Moby Cock (771358) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025468)

removing the world's Web servers and replacing them with half the number of UltraSparc T1-based systems would have the same effect on carbon dioxide emissions as planting 1 million trees

"And it has the added benefit of lining my pocket."

Re:And... (2, Funny)

popeyethesailor (325796) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025542)

And probably bankrupt atleast a million small-medium web hosts ;)

Impractical (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025473)

I don't know many people who have a server room large enough to hold a million trees.

(twiddles thumbs for the remaining 17 seconds. Lahdy dahdy hum dum dum)

"The Niagra chip" (1, Funny)

temcat (873475) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025474)

Gosh, those pesky spammers manage to squeeze their cheap Viagra ads everywhere.

Re:"The Niagra chip" (2, Funny)

ettlz (639203) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025608)

That's because "with this new processor Sun hopes to get a leg over on the competition" (e.g., fuck Intel?).

What we need from Sun... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025479)

The new Niagra line... courtesy of the little blue pill.

I can't wait to see the SPAM over this one...

(Insert obJoke about "staying up" and "hardware" etc.)

Just imagine! (-1, Redundant)

ifishfortorque (866984) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025482)

Imagine a beowulf cluster . . . sorry, someone had to do it.

* * Beatles-Beatles Submitter? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025489)

Why is "* * Beatles-Beatles" constantly used as a submitter by ScuttleMonkey? Is that his best friend, or some sort of alter-ego?

Sony's Cell twin? (1)

digital.prion (808852) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025503)

I'm not sure but it seems that this is another scalar/vector chip or more of a hybrid super scalar but I'm really liking the concept of a cpu with scalar and vector units. On that note is this part of Suns Majc proccessor line? cheers!

Massively multi-core x86s (2, Interesting)

rbanffy (584143) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025510)

AMD or VIA would build a cheap multi-core x86 based on VIA's or Geode cores... Sun could sell systems with them as developer boxes running Solaris 10.

BTW, what would happen to performance if you started with a Geode core and spent the rest of your wafer-area budget with Itanic-size caches?

For now, I have no hope to have one of these on my desktop anytime soon.

Re:Massively multi-core x86s (1)

rbanffy (584143) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025580)

AMD or VIA could... OK. I should have used "Preview"...

The lowdown (4, Informative)

gtoomey (528943) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025511)

http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-T1/specs. xml [sun.com]

Since the story is devoid of content:
- up to 8 cores, 4 threads per core
- integrated RSA
- 3MB L2 cache
- 90nm process
- 1.2 GHz

Re:The lowdown (1)

southpolesammy (150094) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025603)

Since the story is devoid of content...

No worries, since most of the comments here (excepting yours) have also been devoid of content.

Re:The lowdown (1)

should_be_linear (779431) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025734)

1.2 GHz is interesting part. As we already know that "x threads per core" makes almost no difference, high end version with 8 cores * 1.2 Ghz = 9.6 GHz. This means that dual opteron 2GHz (with dual core chips) should have comparable performance, while complete system costs around $3000. Sun with 8 core Niagara wil be 5x more than that, at least. Am I missing something except trees and CO2?

Not appropriate for all types of workloads (4, Insightful)

XNormal (8617) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025524)

You need at least a dozen concurrent threads or processes before you can make good use of this CPU's power. Certainly not a good idea for desktops. An excellent match for web servers. Other server-type workloads (e.g. database, file server) may need some tuning to make the best of this architecture.

Re:Not appropriate for all types of workloads (1)

Knetzar (698216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025550)

I'm pretty sure Sun is aiming this at the J2EE space.

that's power (0)

tehwebguy (860335) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025535)

i bet this baby can pump 1.2 jiggahertz!

The processor after this (2, Funny)

Xerp (768138) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025538)

Will obviously have the name "C1ala1s"

A new measure of CPU performance...the tree (T) (5, Funny)

ip_freely_2000 (577249) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025540)

We can add this performance criteria to our system selection process...how many trees are saved. Featuring the Sun chip which is the world's first Megatree (MT) performer.

Why I remember when I was a lad we had Kilotree performers, and we were glad for it!!!

Re:A new measure of CPU performance...the tree (T) (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025724)

They weren't talking about saving trees (since we don't get our electricity from wood-burning power plants), they were talking about saving CO2 emissions. Since trees absorb CO2, it's a measure of how many trees it would take to absorb the CO2 emitted by the burning of fuel sufficient to power the chips. So it's really more of a "Tree-Reduction Equivalency Estimate". In this case, one MegaTREE.

So that's no effect at all, then (1)

Flying pig (925874) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025544)

Or even positive because the emissions from the tractors used in planting all those trees. Trees don't reduce emissions, people do. They might reduce the environmental effects a bit...but they definitely don't deliberately fall on SUVs or jump out in front of trucks to cause a real reduction in emissions.

Re:So that's no effect at all, then (3, Insightful)

Yartrebo (690383) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025727)

Right on.

To be pedantic, planting trees (unless it's done on soil that was used for industrial agriculture, which has pretty much giving up its carbon already), will generally cause a release of CO2 from the ground. Even once the forest becomes mature, the net release of CO2 is positive in many cases (especially if the land used to be grassland).

But assuming that is ignored, a million trees:
  - Is nothing. Assuming they're Christmas trees, it's about a square kilometre. It's also about 1/100th of the annual harvest in the USA.
  - Is meaningless. Tell me in megatonnes of CO2 or gigawatts how much this will save, and if it doesn't equal a megatonne/yr or gigawatt, then it is just a drop in the bucket. Probably less of an effect than eradicating all spyware (thus causing less PCs to be replaced by lazy or ignorant or rich PC owners).

Too bad (0)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025564)

Too bad you can't get windows to run on one of these things, or any microsoft software. The fact that they usually charge per processor would really be make the software a lot cheaper to buy. Just think, 1 processor that acts like 32. Anyway, it doens't matter since most of their software doesn't support that many processors to begin with. Stupid built in limits and all.

Misread Code Name (4, Funny)

FJ (18034) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025579)

Am I the only one who read the code name as Viagra?

I knew sun was having troubles but not THAT kind of trouble.

Re:Misread Code Name (5, Funny)

ceeam (39911) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025678)

Well, Suns are quite well-known for their decent uptimes!

carbon dioxide emissions , errr O.....K (1)

zenst (558964) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025586)

UltraSparc T1-based systems would have the same effect on carbon dioxide emissions as planting 1 million trees.

Thats great but did they offset all the marketing bumf about this; Now that surely made large dent into those newly planted tree's - caching in before even planted some might say.

There is also the factor of all the extra web/page hits and respective computer power and as such extra carbon dioxide ommisions related to that.

So in the end to be truly green you would just release the product and keep stum or the papers/marketing etc will offset the savings by eating up extra paper/computer resources saying how green things are.

How green is a new CPU that uses lower power; Well initialy less so due to hype and marketing using more paper/computer resources. This is up there with SETI and there search for extra human life by chewing up loads of CPU generating way more carbon monoxide and as such killing life on our planet in the hope of finding intelligent life on another planet. Lets face it if i was an intelligent alien would i want to be sat next to a snotty kid who farted alot or would I do my best to ignore them. Begs the question about what is actualy green and what is actuly intelligent.

Ultrasparc III Cores (2, Interesting)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025589)


The Niagara uses Ultrasparc III type cores which have limited single thread performance. This limits this design to certain applications that are highly concurrent in nature. More interesting is the Next Gen Rock CPU which will have highly parallel Rock CPUs.

Does the million trees ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025600)

... take the energy used in producing these chips into account? Mining the silicon, growing the perfect crystals, making all the necessary chemicals, etc.

Wow (1)

pureseth (917220) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025610)

I want one of these beasts for my home PC.. O_O Anyone see a price range on this thing? Also, I heard Intil is working on these kind of low power processors as well.. Maybe there will be some competition between them and Sun..

It's obvious you see... (1)

FF8Jake (929704) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025617)

"Removing the world's Web servers and replacing them with half the number of UltraSparc T1-based systems would have the same effect on carbon dioxide emissions as planting 1 million trees." Because everyone who runs a server is a treehugger, this makes a lot of sense! Oh wait...

Coming to a spam email near you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025618)

Want to buy some cheap N1ag4ra?

The Spelling of NIAGARA (2, Insightful)

CrazySpence (609418) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025635)

It is not Niagra. Thank you

goa=t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14025640)

People already; I'm A cHange to We''l be able to hear you. Also, if

Why is it named Niagra? (2, Interesting)

Unnamed Chickenheart (882453) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025672)

...is it good at memory leakage? ^_^

Or is it perhaps not as low-power as they clame: maybe it require a huuuge current? ^_^

One should carefully name ones product. Its fate may stand or fall on it ^_^

What does the marketing speak mean? (0, Troll)

Chilles (79797) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025698)

"We at Sun find that we are unable to produce cheap fast processors so we label this expensive slow one as eco friendly and hope for the Prius effect. Perhaps Cameron Diaz will buy some?"

It is a pretty good performer in its target area (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025700)

A 1.2GHz CPU at 70W that is roughly equivalent to three dual-core Opterons (>200W) (source in the comments at Aces Hardware). I suspect that this processor will compete against some of the lower-end Power5 systems from IBM.

With its support for Virtualisation (hopefully a better implementation than Intel's Vanderpool from what I have been overhearing in the techy pubs where I live) you could have some interesting hosting scenarios ... 'yeah, it's a dedicated machine you'll get, Sun, J2EE, everything, yeah!'.

planting trees versus carbon dioxide emissions (0, Redundant)

John_Sauter (595980) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025705)

...would have the same effect on carbon dioxide emissions as planting 1 million trees.
I hope everyone realizes that planting one million trees has no effect on carbon dioxide emissions. Trees absorb carbon dioxide as part of the photosynthesis cycle, they don't emit it.
John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)

New server chip Viagra (2, Funny)

ardchoille (912260) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025711)

Whoa, talk about "uptime".

Mandatory sed quote (2, Funny)

fm2503 (876331) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025719)

s/n/v/

Competition (1)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025808)

With this new processor Sun hopes to get a leg up on the competition.

Oh, instead of the previous attempt to get a leg "up" on the competition with the "if you can't beat them, join them" method like: http://www.sun.com/x64/ [sun.com]

Before anybody gets weird on me, I am not an AMD fanboy. I am kinda a Sun fanboy, but I have been very critical of them in recent years for a reason. They have been for years watering down their name and reputation. Hopefully this new chip is in the right direction. We will see. UltraSPARC IVs have been on the roadmap for years. Lets see some good stuff here guys. Memory bandwidth would be something nice to have as well.

Engineers are amazing... (1)

Fortyseven (240736) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025843)

That's a hell of a long way to go to avoid our yearly Arbor Day responsibilities. "Let's build a chip, instead." ;)

Has Sun still lost the CPU war? (0)

peterdaly (123554) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025846)

I had been reading articles recently about how Sun had fallen behind when it comes to CPU's and that their "rein" in the CPU business was almost dead. Their pushing of the Opteron was an admission of this.

I am curious if those people and industry analysts still think that, or whether this chip is enough of a leading edge performer to keep them in the game.

I don't understand the geeky details enough to know if this is really all hype or if there is really something earth shattering in this chip. That being said, it does sound nice.

-Pete

In other news (2, Funny)

frostfreek (647009) | more than 8 years ago | (#14025863)

Sun announced today, that they will be chopping down one tree for every new system sold!
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