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Linux Tablet to be Released in Two Days

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the where's-my-review-unit-nokia dept.

Handhelds 385

Rambo writes "Nokia has finally set a November 17th US shipping date for the $359 770 Internet Tablet. It features a Debian-based distribution called Maemo, which includes kernel 2.6, WM, and GTK for easy porting of applications. Hardware specs are: 800x480 ) screen, 220 MHz TI OMAP ARM processor (with DSP), 64M of RAM, 128M of flash, USB slave port, 802.11b/g wireless, Bluetooth, IR, and a RS-MMC slot. Even more details at LinuxDevices and Internet Tablet Talk. It sports a battery life of 3 hours for continous Wi-Fi usage, and accepts common Nokia phone batteries. Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with Nokia, and am anxiously awaiting my own pre-order!"

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Sure it can play flash movies (5, Funny)

suso (153703) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034447)

but can it run a bash shell.

Re:Sure it can play flash movies (1)

c_fel (927677) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034511)

Can you have a debian distribution without a shell ?

Re:Sure it can play flash movies (2, Informative)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034731)

No. Even the most stripped down Debian installations use busybox. But it's perfectly possible to make the shell inaccessible to the user.

Re:Sure it can play flash movies (3, Interesting) (653730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034525)

Indeed it does, how would their scripts work if not?

It's a linux-based distro, feel free to install whatever you want. The main issue for me is the lack of keyboard - not neccesary to use it as a tabletpc but neccesary when I want to change something - but I think a USB keboard or a bluethoot one will (or should) do it

Re:Sure it can play flash movies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034526)

Sure, if you wish to bloat your device with it. It comes with busybox installed that contains a much smaller shell.

Perfect . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034455)

. . .if I can use it with VNC.

this sucks, (1, Insightful)

hector_uk (882132) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034464)

seriously 400 bucks for that, i'd rather get a GP2x.

Re:this sucks, (1)

mattyohe (517995) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034474)

This product kindof serves a different purpose.

Re:this sucks, (0)

hector_uk (882132) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034481)

yeah, i just noticed, but still even a psp makes this redundant.

Re:this sucks, (4, Insightful)

hibiki_r (649814) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034558)

Sure, redundant if you think that a directional pad and 8 buttons is a better input device than a touchscreen. The problem is that, outside of some games, it just isn't. You might as well claim that you don't want a modern computer because you can do the same things with an Atari 2600.

Re:this sucks, (1)

DaPoulpe (795028) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034628)

Errr the answer would still be : This product kindof serves a different purpose.

  • 800x480 *touchscreen*
  • Bluetooth
  • Lots of Audio/Video codecs
  • Email, News, PDF, ... softwares

Don't know if you've tried to browse more than 5 minutes with the PSP but it's kind of a pain in the ass...

Re:this sucks, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034513)


Like those are so, like, last week, and everything.

Re:this sucks, (4, Insightful)

wpiman (739077) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034552)

The gp2x doesn't have the wifi support nor does it have Bluetooth. I would consider this for a wireless browser to control my home automation system.

Re:this sucks, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034569)

Ignore the naysayers. This is the only device that has got my blood pumping this year. Sure it's not "perfect" but check it out for yourselves. It's even got that cute penguin on the back of the box, next to that sexy and mysterious bluetooth logo ;-).

Re:this sucks, (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034582)

bingo. This is wher ethey fail horribly.

they are TOO damned expensive for what they are. it's a glorified PDA that is locked down to the point htat it is useless. Buy a Sharp Zaurus snd get much more for your money.

This machine should sell for $200.00 Quadruple all the specs if they want to think of selling it for the $400

Re:this sucks, (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034588)

this is not for southpaws

Thickness (2, Interesting)

dsginter (104154) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034469)

Does anyone know when these things will be down to the thickness of a standard pad o' paper? They're impossible to write on, otherwise. So, unless you specifically need to walk and write, these are pretty much useless.

Or is it just me who has trouble writing on something so thick?

Re:Thickness (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034514)

It's just you...

Re:Thickness (2, Informative) (913902) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034699)

I know that my Palm Tungsten E is no thicker than a pad of paper. It's about the thickness of your average ballpoint pen; how thick is your paper?

Re:Thickness (2, Interesting)

littlecharva (924275) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034745)

It's not so much the thickness of the tablets, as the lack of friction when writing. Surely a rubber nib to create a little bit of friction would make these things a little easier to use?

Re:Thickness (2, Interesting)

GuyWithLag (621929) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034821)

Lack of friction is good, as it means that your touchscreen isn't getting worn off or scratched.

Hope it is in Australia soon! (0)

cloricus (691063) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034473)

Because as soon as it is I will own one! :D

Just Imagine a Beowulf Cluster ... (1)

Bazzalisk (869812) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034475)

Actualy no realy don't.

Re:Just Imagine a Beowulf Cluster ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034570)

But will it run linux?

I think you mean, (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034700)

Imagine a mesh network of these.

That'd be more interesting...

Which is great... (2, Insightful)

Delphix (571159) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034488)

except for the fact that tablets seem to have been DOA. They seem to have been a great idea looking for a use instead of some actual need driving them. Granted, a few people love em (as with any niche technology), but I have yet to meet anyone who actually wants one and uses it on a regular basis, and I work with a bunch of other technophile engineers... Laptops still rule the portable landscape.

So this seems to me just like another Linux runs on ____________ story. (insert everything including a toaster in the blank)

Re:Which is great... (1)

10Ghz (453478) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034524)

Uh, 770 is not a tablet-PC (which suck). It's an internet-tablet, which is a completely different thing.

Re:Which is great... (2, Insightful)

Delphix (571159) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034538)

It's a tablet PC stripped down for a sprecific purpose or a PDA on steroids, your pick. :)

Re:Which is great... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034632)

Good point, but remember that most of the tablets that have been failures have been intro'ed at 5 times the price of this little thing, and built more like laptops with swiveling touch screens (Which I think they should just build into all laptops). I think this is one of the first devices to deliver on the real promise of a tablet, which is a smaller computer than a laptop, with a smaller price, to perform smaller tasks. Most of the features it provides have been shoehorned into PDAs recently, but even with the best of those, many everyday tasks (web/email), are still a pain in the ass, simply due to the form factor. PDAs are really most useful as a front-end to some kind of PIM system, not tiny personal computers. Of course, most of the PIM functionality meshes well with cell-phone functionality, and is almost as usable on a cell-phone screen, which is why cell-phones are killing PDAs.

Obligatory Futurama quote (1)

jounihat (884616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034641)

This just came in from Nokia: "Hey, don't you worry about blank. Let me worry about blank."

Re:Which is great... (1)

Scoth (879800) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034689)

Well, if you're ever in Atlanta, drop by some time ;) I use mine [Stylistic 4121] daily for everything from taking notes in class on in Windows Journal in XP Tablet to wardriving with kismet and GPS navigation with gpsdrive in Gentoo. Granted they're still very much a niche technology, but there are those of us who use them then regularly. Most people who have seen me use it haven't really considered a tablet PC. It's not so much that they don't want to use them, they just haven't really looked into it. I know a couple techy people here that have bought a tablet PC and love them after seeing me with mine. I do attach a keyboard or use keyboard/mouse sharing software like Synergy for a lot of the work, though.

That said, I'm not quite sure where this Nokia thing fits in. Shell work on an on screen keyboard sucks mightily, and attaching a keyboard removes most of the advantage this would have over a subnotebook like a picturebook or Libretto. The screen looks to be a bit small for whole-page note taking, plus it's fairly thick. It's also not powerful enough for any really high-level multimedia stuff. To me it seems to be Just Another Webpad, albeit one with some useful built-in features like GPRS. For remote workers, that alone might be enough to justify it.

Re:Which is great... (3, Insightful)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034713)

Or maybe you haven't seen the need?

I work at a dental office that's trying to go chartless. We use these things in the op for office visit documentation.

My staff didn't want to use them the first week, then growled at me when I needed to take it for maintence ever afterwards.

There are uses for tablets, but they aren't flashy or glamorous.

Re:Which is great... (1)

littlecharva (924275) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034781)

I'm head of IT for a company of arboricultural consultants who perform surveys onsite using tablet PCs. It's not practical to wander around a site using a laptop, and before we introduced the tablets, they used to use paper and pens, meaning someone at the office had to type it all up, and introducing problems with quality control.

Too Small (1)

mankey wanker (673345) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034489)

I want something that can display a full page of an illustrated book and for under $200 - that will be a tablet I might buy.

This thing is a fancy PDA, nothing more.

What exactly is the difference between a (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034496)

tablet pc and a PDA? I always considered Tablets to be much closer to laptops than they are to PDAs, but this device really looks like it is a lot closer to a PDA than a tablet. It's not that big, and the picture from TFA has a guy holding it with one hand.

Re:What exactly is the difference between a (3, Informative)

10Ghz (453478) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034559)

As I said elsewhere: this is not a tablet-PC, this is an internet-tablet. It's roughly PDA-sized, and it's NOT "tablet-PC" Microsoft touted few years ago, and this is not a replacement for laptop.

Just because it has the word "tablet" in it does not mean that it's a tablet-PC.

Re:What exactly is the difference between a (3, Interesting)

CortoMaltese (828267) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034612)

In addition, the 770 doesn't have any hardware to support a timed wake up, for e.g. calendar alarms, so IMHO it's not that useful as a PDA.

And the phone? (3, Insightful)

hajo (74449) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034498)

Where is the phone? My PDA saved my life professional life 10 years ago. Since then the best convergence has been with a phone for me. Now I would need to go back to a separate phone? No Thank you; I'll go for a pocketPC running skype and a functional phone build in.

Re:And the phone? (0, Troll)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034768)

Anyone who would choose WinCe over an operating system deserves neither.

Re:And the phone? (1)

Dynamoo (527749) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034803)

VOIP comes next year in the 2006 version of the software. Nokia have always said that they'd add more features to it in 2006 that users can download and install themselves.

two days? (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034502)

Where are the reviews? Slashdotters are known to review new gadgets to be released well in advance. How come I have not seen any reviews of this item?

Re:two days? (2, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034611)

I give it 8/10.

Re:two days? (1)

harrkev (623093) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034763)

Because nobody has one yet?

So does it run Linux? (1)

ZiakII (829432) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034508)

So does it run Linux? Because According to there website it runs

Operating system: Internet Tablet 2005 Software Edition

and if it does run Linux don't they have to release the source code?

Re:So does it run Linux? (1) (653730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034584)

Apparently your browser doesn't underline links in sentences like "It features a Debian-based distribution called Maemo [] ?

Re:So does it run Linux? (1)

jounihat (884616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034585)

Internet Tablet 2005 Software Edition is based on Linux. A program doesn't need to have the word "Linux" on it to become Linux-based. Just to note.

Re:So does it run Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034601)

I was wondering about that too.
I think they may get away with not releasing code as there's undoubtedly some crypto stuff in there

This is great (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034515)

I fully endorse this product. And JBoss. Their open-source solutions are superior to the competition. I do not work for JBoss.

I've got one! (5, Informative)

Dynamoo (527749) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034516)

I've had one for a week now. It's great.. except it doesn't reliably connect to my Netgear router at home, and everything else does including a Nokia 9500 Communicator.

Sure, there's a lot of other traffic going on in the same frequency band with thing like the neighbour's wireless access points, DECT phones and the like but NOTHING seems to make this connect reliably.

At work, with less interference I can connect just fine to a bog standard access point. Also, no problem with any Bluetooth phones (I use a Sharp).

Despire the wireless connectivity issues - the 770 ROCKS. The 800 pixel wide screen is actually smaller than you'd think though, it's just very high resolution. The screen clarity is excellent. The web browser is excellent, plus there's a so-so RSS reader and an email client which I haven't used yet.

The interface is quite simple and easy to learn, although a few minutes studying the slim manuals that come with it is a good idea. Windows users shouldn't have much trouble adapting.

When I ordered mine I got a letter explaining that I was one of the first people to get a 770, and Nokia would like to have an interview with me to find out what I think, so I'll mention the wireless connectivity problems then. Other than that, it's great. Good quality web access no matter where you go, and it does a (limited) range of multimedia too.

One thing I can't figure out.. how can they make something this sophisticated for that much money? They can't be making a profit on it!

Re:I've got one! (1)

Dynamoo (527749) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034643)

Umm yes I *am* running on a different channel.

Incidentally, the 770 supports WPA-PSK which is probably the level of security you need.

Re:I've got one! (1)

CortoMaltese (828267) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034710)

Despire the wireless connectivity issues - the 770 ROCKS.

Yes, it is quite astonishing, but there are two points that disappoint me a bit: 1) There's no hardware to support timed wake ups e.g. for calendar alarms, and 2) Performance is not quite what you'd expect, e.g. starting of applications is painfully slow.

What are your opinions on these?

Re:I've got one! (1)

Habahaba (824033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034801)

The browser is Opera - which sounds like the best browser for this. But does Gmail work? Gmail does not work with the browser in the communicator series (which is also Opera).

Other than that... the flaws are: battery time, RS-MMC (why the RS?!? ... of course CF would have been best but at least normal MMC/SD), no keyboard, no calendar or PIM.

Good points: the screen! (Smaller than most here think, but excellent probably - opinion based on communicator screens) and batteries are easy to get as they are standard Nokia, and I guess being linux offers some software support.

But does it have to power to run Skype?

No telephony (1, Redundant)

binaryDigit (557647) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034522)

At first I thought, interesting, a tablet with a phone built in. NOT. It has no telephony capabilities itself, requiring a bluetooth enabled phone to provide connectivity. Makes me wonder exactly what the market is since it seems to compete directly with PocketPC/Palm. Other than price and the nice screen, I really didn't see anything all that compelling that would drive a significant number of people to choose this solution since it would be squeezed at the highend by PPC and the low end by their own phones (and others of course).

I just want ssh (0)

gtrubetskoy (734033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034527)

Slightly OT - but has anyone figured out a way one can get a device that provides two things (1) a (thumb) keybard and ssh access on its own (2) can serve as a modem for your laptop via USB (my powerbook doesn't have bluetooth). And preferably this device would be compatible with CDMA/EVDO, but I'll settle for GSM just as well. AND I don't want to pay $600 for it, AND I dont care for any other fancy-shmancy features at all.

Re:I just want ssh (1) (653730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034610)

This nokia 770 has USB and bluetooth so you can but a usb/luethoot keyboard and install shh

Re:I just want ssh (1)

gtrubetskoy (734033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034661)

This nokia 770 has USB and bluetooth so you can but a usb/luethoot keyboard and install shh

Yeah, but that's the whole point - I don't want to lug a bunch of devices with me like an idiot, I just want small thing that I can take anywhere that would be no more burdening than wearing a watch and know that I can log in and get a command line prompt on my server. And if I'm going on a long trip, then I'll take my laptop with me and use the device as a modem.

Re:I just want ssh (1)

nahgoe (901302) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034800)

The spec only mentions a usb slave.
So no usb keyboards (, mice, card readers, hard disks, etc...)!

Re:I just want ssh (2, Informative)

bobintetley (643462) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034625)

You can run FloydSSH [] on ANY MIDP1.0 (read Java) compatible mobile phone with GPRS or 3G support. That's just about any phone you can buy today.

I used to use it on my Motorola v500 and it even manages a 40x25 character terminal and uses the keypad as hotkeys for commonly used commands. Seems quirky at first, but it works and well.

Re:I just want ssh (1)

ubiquitin (28396) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034634)

Instructions for running ssh on the Nokia 770 are in the Maemo wiki: []

No thumb keyboard, but there is bluetooth keyboard support.

One of the best things about using this for ssh in a handheld is that the wifi is VERY sensitive, so it is fairly easy to get low latency connections to 802.11 access points. In my world, there's nothing worse than a really SLOW-response shell.

treo 650 (1)

bats (8748) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034750)

Get a treo. It has a thumb keyboard and several ssh clients. Add in PDANet [] and its a wireless modem with a USB connection to your laptop. Its available on both CDMA/EVDO and GSM/GPRS/EDGE networks. The price varies wildly from ~$600 for an unlocked GSM model down to $99 for an Earthlink branded one (probably with some strings attached).

But... (1)

BlueOtto (519047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034529)

does it run Windows?


No ogg support?? (2, Insightful)

sucker_muts (776572) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034537)

Supported File Formats: Audio: MP3, MPEG4, AAC, WAV, AMR, MP2

No ogg support? On a linux platform (which makes is a few steps easier to include it anyway)? Many linux enthousiasts will probably love this device (future mod abilities?), but yet no ogg support?

I have lost of ogg music, and therefore am reluctant to buy even an ipod, so what about it not being put on this device? How hard can it be?

Re:No ogg support?? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034619)

Re:No ogg support?? (1)

INAN (99094) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034823)

I agree, OGG support would be easy and should be there

Bang for the buck (1)

Iriel (810009) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034543)

Yes, I'm enthused about this prospect, but sadly, not about the actual product. I think it offers some interesting features, but for $400, I would like to see a slightly higher storage capacity. After all, Nokia should take a cue from everyone else using the newer generations of Flash RAM. Frankly, the capabilities leave the imagination open to great ideas, but when I can actually store a useful amount of files on it, I'll be impressed</gripe></bitch></moan>

Re:Bang for the buck (2, Insightful)

moro_666 (414422) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034818)

for almost the same buck, i get a pda with gsm/gprs/wifi abilities, so i can make calls and use internet from somewhere in the forest (where wifi accidentally is still missing today). ofcourse if i could choose a pda with gsm stuff and with linux, i would choose that... (preferrably with a built in qwerty keyboard and an option to add a fullsize pc keyboard over the usb cable or some direct mounting).

the nokia thing is just a toy from my point of view. a quite expensive toy to browse the internet.

the resolution may be great, but the screen is actually tiny so people with less than magnificent sight are going to have trouble with this one.

if it would be capable of using gsm/gprs and give me an usable input method like a keyboard, i would consider it (especially if it could use cheap sd or mini-sd flash memory units, 512mb costs around 35 euros over here... 1gb around 70 euros).

what kind of cpu does this thing have anyway ? is it comparable to the 400mhz/200mhz cpu's used by hp/compaq handhelds ?

65,536 colors (1)

ccozan (754085) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034547)

...seems little, for such a big screen. Lately the cell phones have 200k+ colors for 4 times smaller screens.

Re:65,536 colors (1)

thebdj (768618) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034644)

ummm...that is 16-bit color. Not too bad for smaller devices. Actually not sure how many devices with screens that size support more then 16-bit color though...

Im impressed (2, Interesting)

NVP_Radical_Dreamer (925080) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034551)

For the first time I'm actually impressed with a linux based device. Most of they time its a great idea but poorly implemented or at a price point that scares me away or lacking crucial features. This looks like a nice device and at a VERY attractive price point. Now if I can somehow convince the wife that I need one...

Save about (1)

ScrewTivo (458228) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034555)

Nokia is an affiliate of They split rev 75%. Use the guest login to check it out.

Disclosure ... Yes I am affiliated with

memory (1)

cetan (61150) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034590)

128MB of storage of which only 64MB can be addressed by the end-user. And the RS-MMC slot can only hold a 64MB card. Is this some sort of joke?

Is this 1999 or 2005?

Another failed product by Nokia. No wonder they're in the toilet.

Re:memory (3, Informative)

Kanon (152815) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034711)

It *comes* with a 64meg card. It can take much bigger ones.

Re:memory (1)

Dynamoo (527749) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034732)

64Mb is *included*, it's not the *maximum*.

Sony Location Free TV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034598)

Doesn't this have less features than Sony's Location Free TV? Perhaps you could update the Nokia with downloaded software, but how many developers are there going to be for this thing really?

-Marc R

LiveCD for compiling, yes, it runs bash (5, Informative)

ubiquitin (28396) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034600)

There is a bootable Linux live CD that has a development environment for the ARM chip in this thing: []

I got a development unit on Friday last week. It took me about a half an hour to get ssh, vi, and nmap running on it. Shell tools are a variant of busybox. The ssh client and server that are the easiest to get running are from dropbear project [] . I'm working to compile gdb for this thing.

Other comments: wifi is INCREDIBLY sensitive. Will make a great stumbling platform and 1G MMC cards are only like $75. Bluetooth works, and requires that you sync with a 4 digit code every time. The big question is whether it will work with bluetooth GPS.

As a side note, hats off to Nokia for sending units to developers before sending them the press. Don't get me wrong, CmdrTaco, I hope you get the free unit that you feel entitled to in a few months from now, but the fact that Nokia wants these in the hands of developers before the press speaks volumes about how successful this platform will be.

It's all about the software.

By the way, if you want, I can paste a dmesg from this thing. It feels pretty quick, especially running X. Native RAM/storage is 128MB and it comes with a 64MB storage card. MP3 playing slows it down a bit. It can play movie files, but pretty much if that's the only app you're running. Chess, Mahjong, and a Marbles puzzle game are all very nicely built out. The RSS feed reader in this Nokia770 is AWESOME and puts the PalmOS equivalents to shame. The web browser feels like Firefox in your hand and already has Flash support in it. Blah blah blah; I'm rambling, if you have questions, post them here and I'll do my best to answer.

Re:LiveCD for compiling, yes, it runs bash (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034739)

Does it have an IR port and can I use it as a fancy smancy universal remote control like I can with a Palm or PocketPC?

But it does look incredibly neat, and at the right size. PDA applications will naturally follow within the year of course. I reckon the next generation will be pretty desirable devices, at least for geeks. Best give it a bit more memory and storage by default though!

I can't be the target market (2, Insightful)

el_womble (779715) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034607)

I don't get it. What would I use it for? Is it for people that can't afford laptops but want the web on the move?

How many people is that exactly?

And its not like you can just use it anywhere. You're either using it on your home network, where it would be a toy not a tool (why wouldn't you use your real computer?) or your using it in an expensive access point, or do they expect you to steal other people's connection?

3 hours battery life?


I guess this might appeal to PDA people, but don't they have everything that this offers for less, in a smaller package with the same or better battery life?

Re:I can't be the target market (2, Interesting)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034761)

And its not like you can just use it anywhere. You're either using it on your home network, where it would be a toy not a tool (why wouldn't you use your real computer?) or your using it in an expensive access point, or do they expect you to steal other people's connection?

Erm... why didn't use at the office occur to you as one of the places you could use it?

I wonder if Nokia did a market survey? (1)

daiichid (923525) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034615)

I wonder if Nokia did a market survey before they decided to build this box? If they had asked me, I would've told 'em that I want fewer boxes, not more boxes. It amazes me that a company that built its reputation building phones decides to build a half-powered, low resolution, phoneless tablet. I'd love to replace my Nokia 9500 with something that has a better OS and a more compatible browser--but the Nokia 770 will require me to carry it and a phone too. I might as well stick with my HP TC1100.

I'm sure there are people out there that said they'd love a box like this... Nokia wouldn't have built it otherwise, would they?

Re:I wonder if Nokia did a market survey? (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034775)

By "low resolution" you are talking about something that isn't a >230dpi device, aren't you? The 770 is 141 x 79 x 19 mm - that's as thick as my mobile phone, although it is 2cm wider and larger. My phone has a 320x208 display, not an 800x480 widescreen display. A brief google found me this picture [] of it side-by-side with a PSP and a phone.

Does this use WebKit/KHTML? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034622)

Didnt Nokia announce they were using Apple's WebKit in future products? Anyone know if the device uses this?

Scratchbox WM? not! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034638)

Scratchbox is the environment used for development of Maemo applications on the PC.
The window manager used is Matchbox, [] .

Looks like a neat device (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034647)

Give it a year's development in the software so that there is a larger pool of software you can install, and more PDA style applications, and it'd be an interesting purchase at the price. Another year's hardware improvement should bring more memory - both RAM and flash, and a faster processor too.

I don't need an internet tablet however small and dinky. Well, maybe if it had built-in phone capability ... handy if it had decent handwriting recognition too, none of this character-based crap like on Symbian, but something like an advanced form of the system the Newton had.

Being open-source there's a fair chance that someone will write a Mac OS X iSync conduit for it as well - that'd be nice.

Those specs... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034653)

are weak. A low end Pocket PC device will cost you about $110 these days. And those specs are on the low end of Pocket PC devices these days. The only advantage is a bigger screen and the notion of running a free OS. The flash memory that thing takes is uncommon and not larger than 512MB. Why not an SD/MMC slot? Or better yet, Compact Flash? From the sounds of it, my Pocket PC device with wireless on also gets better battery life. 3 hours? Get a laptop with battery life like that. Not to mention the software support. I know it runs Linux but exactly how hackable will it be? It sounds like you can't put your own programs on without a memory card to transfer between your desktop and Nokia. I was sold on this little device when it was 4 months ago and $200. In those 4 months, I researched my alternatives and wound up getting a WiFi enabled Pocket PC with specs that are nearly THE SAME for $165. The only thing I lack is the 64MB Flash card. And those can be had for nearly nothing these days.

Call Waiting (1, Informative)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034686)

What, no phone? They say it can BlueTooth to a phone for Internet connections. Does this move mark Nokia's moving the phone to the status of a peripheral? Then they'll have to put USB master ports into the tablet.

Charging Cradle? (1)

mustafap (452510) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034698)

Has a charging cradle been announced for this thing yet? I couldn't see one on the website.

This will be ideal for bedtime web browsing once my youngest stops trying to eat shiny electronic things.

Re:Charging Cradle? (1)

ctid (449118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034829)

Is a charging cradle different from a travel charger? Here is a link to the online Nokia shop [] . It says that a travel charger is supplied.

Bye Bye Ipod (0)

cannuck (859025) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034704)

Looks like the beginning of the end is beginning.

Good In Hospitals (5, Insightful)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034709)

This might actually be of some good use in hospital settings as a replacement for PDAs (which are too small) or Tablet PCs, which are needlessly complex. I've been pushing web based forms for clinical research data entry for which a device like this would be perfect because it doesn't require making the forms microscopic and this internet tablet is much cheaper than a Tablet PC. I also found that Tablet PCs tend to run hot and are still a bit too heavy for the typical nurse to lug around for too long. Unfortunately, hospitals tend to be very Windows-centric, so this will still be a hard sell.

N/C (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14034746)

If i eat it will i feel better?

Lefties? (1)

etherelithic (846901) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034747)

What I don't like about this thing (besides the price tag) is how it is geared exclusively towards righties. Can't they make a few for us lefties? Considering that this is supposed to appeal to the geek crowd, I would hazard a guess that there is a higher concentration of lefties in this demographic anyway.

Linux Tablet to be Released in Two Days (3, Funny)

Mr2cents (323101) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034751)

Why did it get arrested in the first place?

Operating System (5, Informative)

hungrygrue (872970) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034760)

It sounds like a neat gadget, its a shame that most people will never realize that it is a Linux device based on the information that Nokia puts online:

Operating system
        Internet Tablet 2005 Software Edition

Don't hold your breath for one! (1)

Bowdie (11884) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034762)

I've had one on back order for a week now here in the UK. Looks like a really cool little widget, I can't wait to try it out.

Does it cure you? (1)

dwalsh (87765) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034780)

Drug manufacturer Merck & Co. today announced their latest product "GNUease" (TM), the Linux treatment. Clinical trials have shown it to be effective at treating the following symptoms:

- rabid advocacy

- a special form of dyslexia where the sufferer cannot distinguish '$' from "S" when spelling the name of a large company

- loss of sleep due to staying up late with driver problems

- mild schizophrenia from using a UNIX operating system that is not UNIX

- inability to write documentation

However some side effects were observed. Patients in the trial either developed a rare expensive disease that was even worse, or spend large amounts of money on hardware from a popular MP3 player company.

great! (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034802)

and just in time for Christmas!

i am getting one, maybe two more if i really like the first one i just ordered!

Great for secure computing (2, Interesting)

ScrewTivo (458228) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034815)

It seems impossible for a keystroke logger to get installed on it so it would be perfect for banking and trading. The 800x480 screen should handle normal web pages. I boot with a live cd either ubuntu or knoppix when I am doing this stuff. If I can get some GPS software for it then it will be under the tree in december. May end up there regardless :)

Mapping... (1)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 8 years ago | (#14034824)

Ahh, the wonders of Moore's Law. This device is more powerful than my current laptop (yes, it is a very old laptop) - they only edge my laptop has is in mass storage. I'd love to replace my laptop with one of these, save for only one problem - a lack of mapping software.

At least with my current x86 laptop, I can run Delorme's [] mapping software under Wine. However, since the Nokia device is NOT x86 that option is not open.

Yes, I *could* use Google Maps. Except that would require me having a live Internet connection while moving down the highway, and except that Google maps does not do multiple point routes very well, and Google maps does not update very quickly, and....

Nokia is a big enough company they could go to one of the map software companies and negotiate for a license to port the software to this device - that, and a Bluetooth GPS and that would settle it for me.

For you early adopters who are going to be interviewed by Nokia - could you put a word in for this feature?

(before you suggest just buying a GPS with mapping built in - most of those run US$700 or more. They are not a multi-function device, and they STILL suck at computing a route).
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