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Apple Planning Intel iBook Debut for January?

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the apple-christmas dept.

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axonis writes "Apple is planning to release its first entry-level iBook laptops with Intel processors next January at Macworld Expo in San Francisco, highly reliable sources have confirmed to Think Secret." From the article: "Apple will almost certainly tap Intel's forthcoming Yonah processor for the iBooks, a successor to the company's Pentium M. It is unknown whether Apple will go with a dual-core version of the processor, slated for release in January, or a single-core version, which Intel announced in August would be delivered shortly after the dual-core version. The dual-core Yonah chip could very likely deliver performance greater than Apple's current G4-based PowerBooks."

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How many? (3, Insightful)

geddes (533463) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051903)

How many programs have "fat" binaries, with intel versions?

Re:How many? (5, Informative)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052057)

"enough". Apple's been silently distrubiting updates as fat-binaries. It's very likely you won't notice, or even care for that matter, but I'm sure in a few [weeks/months/years] someone will have a binary stripper to remove the unnessicary part of the Universal Binary.

I think Apple just gave mid summer as an estimate to give the developers of 3rd party applications more time, as well as themselves if they needed it. Now they've figured out that the developers were quick to transition, everyone's bitting at the chops, and delaying it any longer seems to be a bad idea. Can't wait to get my hands on one.

Re:How many? (1)

NutscrapeSucks (446616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052144)

So, are you predicting that Adobe will be ready to go in January?

Re:How many? (0, Troll)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052192)

Truthfully, I'm not sure Adobe will ever be ready. They've made their opinion quite clear as of recent that they couldn't care less about the direction Apple is moving, so I dunno if they're even going to waste their time becoming ready. Though, a good chunk of their money anymore comes from Photoshop, I wouldn't be surprised to see them pulling some wine-variation and just making the Windows version run on Mac (if they care that much).

Apple has also made their position quite clear that they don't care which direction Adobe is going, and if Adobe stops making tools for their systems, they'll simply pick up the pieces and start off in their own direction (Note: Final Cut Pro, Aperture [though not a direct competitor, I'm sure it peaked a few eyebrows over at Adobe], etc).

Re:How many? (3, Interesting)

NutscrapeSucks (446616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052261)

> They've made their opinion quite clear as of recent that they couldn't care less about the direction Apple is moving

I thought the Adobe CEO was at the Intel annoucement and said something like "We wanted you to switch to Intel years ago!"

Personally, I think Adobe will be ready, but they will be ready according to the pre-determined CS3 product schedule, meaning late 2006. (Because they have apps built around the old environments, it is not just a recompile for them.)

Re:How many? (2, Insightful)

pubjames (468013) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052317)

they couldn't care less about the direction Apple is moving

I doubt very much that is true. They may not like it, but to say they couldn't care less is just stupid.

Re:How many? (5, Informative)

jcr (53032) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052215)

I'm sure in a few [weeks/months/years] someone will have a binary stripper to remove the unnessicary part of the Universal Binary.

This has been in NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X all along. See /usr/bin/lipo on any Mac OS X machine.


Re:How many? (1)

pohl (872) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052286)

You can already strip the fat from fat binaries using the "lipo" command (as in "liposuction"...been there since NeXT ported the OS to three different CPU architectures back in the early 90's.

Re:How many? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052287)

A tool that will do this already exists -- it's called ditto. To strip a fat binary, do this:
ditto --arch ppc source-binary dest-bin
to remove the x86 code from the binary. Likewise, one can do:
ditto --arch i386 source dest
to remove ppc code.

Re:How many? (1)

robbieduncan (87240) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052081)

A few at the moment. Some of Apple's more recent releases (PhotoBook and the latest Java 1.5 control panel) release have been Universal Binarys.

Re:Correction! (1)

kff322 (752112) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052325)

Steve called it "universal" binary so thus it should be called so....

oh, and one more thing... (5, Funny)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051912)

"Oh, and one more thing...That whole thing about switching to Intel was just a joke..."

Steve Blinks (-1, Offtopic)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052311)

At least one record company announced yesterday that seteve is now in talk to have variable pricing sometime in the next year. Not a big concession but one he opposed.

So, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14051916)

Apple's FIRST POST-ppc macs? I can't wait!

Re:So, (0, Offtopic)

_vSyncBomb (50710) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051993)

Well nice try: would have been funny if you actualy got the first post...

OT: Help save FOX from making another mistake!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14051918)

Despite the numerous Emmy awards and endless critical acclaim, FOX is planning, in its infinite wisdom, to cancel the show after 13 episodes of Season 3.

As we know, FOX is good at making bad decisions, such as canceling Family Guy (which is now back on TV), and canceling Firefly (which is now back as the movie Serenity).

In both cases, the thing that saved those shows was DVD SALES. You've seen the show for free. Now, if you want to see more of it, pay up, and make the world a better place.

You can buy both seasons for a ridiculously low $16 each: []

Also, if you purchase them through Amazon, you get immediate online access to deleted scenes from the show.

Re:OT: Help save FOX from making another mistake!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052323)

That show absolutely blows.

Jason Bateman is a fag.

All right (3, Insightful)

_vSyncBomb (50710) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051924)

Well, it should be no surprise, after that high-end Apple laptops improved *not* *one* *hertz* on the high end since January. Still this is pretty big news, since the PowerBook has had to advance in every other area in the interrim--backlit keyboards, scrolling trackpad, now high-density displays.

But it will be nice to again have a PowerBook that is actually somewhat fast.

Re:All right (2, Interesting)

_vSyncBomb (50710) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051956)

Oh, I forgot to disclose to you all my secret insider information that Intel PowerBooks will be released too, since even a single-core Yonah would have to be hobbled like the dude in that Heinlein story not to burn fiery rings around the circa-2004 processors in the shiny PowerBooks.

Now that you know that, my previous post will make more sense.

Re:All right (2, Interesting)

KingVance (815011) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052009)


After hurricane Katrina hit us, my work decided we needed portability.

Along comes the 12" powerbooks.

Its cool and all, and it seems to be fast enough to run quark, photoshop, illustrator, flash, and dreamweaver on my machine. But I know other machines run it all faster.

One of the photogs neandered in here with a 17" behemoth PC with a 3.2ghz proc. I dont care about the diff in architectures...a 3.2ghz p4 is still faster than a 1.5ghz g4 all day long.

Even if i have 1.25gig ram vs his 768.

But there have been several features added. It's kinda nice. Oh, and for those who dont know, the 12" powerbook is just a 3rd iBook. Apple decided the silver aluminum case would be better.

Re:All right (1, Troll)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052160)

Not only that, they're only up about 30% in speed since the January of *last* year. Seems Dr. Moore has forsaken poor Apple.

And let me tell you, my 1.25 GHz, 512MB RAM PB is really feeling it when it tries to run Tiger.

Re:All right (1)

ObiWanKenblowme (718510) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052291)

Either you're way off base, or an extra hundred or two megs of RAM makes a WORLD of difference, as my 400mhz PowerMac G4 with ~700MB RAM (and with PCI, so no Quartz Extreme for me, damnit!) doesn't have any problems running Tiger.

Don't buy this. (2, Interesting)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051925)

When you buy an Intel PowerBook, you're buying into the most evil technology imaginable -- technology pioneered by Microsoft, but adopted by Apple! Apple plans to incorporate so-called "Tamper-Resistant Code" into Mac OS X [] , and you can't spell "Tamper-Resistant Code" without TPM [] .

I will continue to use my Linux boxen, both desktop and laptop, with the knowledge that I only buy hardware which I am permitted to hack with at my own discretion.

Re:Don't buy this. (3, Funny)

tezbobobo (879983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052203)

Great! Good for you! Please let me know when you've hacked the Gimp into Photoshop, or Scribus into InDesign. Sure I'm sarcastic, but you get my point.

Re:Don't buy this. (1)

Seth Finklestein (582901) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052224)

I could run both Photoshop and InDesign with WINE, of course -- not that I would want to support such ideologically-flawed software in the first place.

Re:Don't buy this. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052265)

People who use the word 'boxen' don't get a vote on what computer I buy.

Intel- "Ready"? (2, Insightful)

adavies42 (746183) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051930)

What the hell does "Intel ready" mean? That sounds like a PPC iBook which can have an Intel chip swapped in, which is nonsense. Is this just another meaningless headline from our illustrious editors?

Re:Intel- "Ready"? (1)

filipncs (708144) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051950)

It means that Zonk wrote the headline.

Re:Intel- "Ready"? (2, Informative)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052122)

Intel-"Ready": All binaries (libraries, applications, frameworks, drivers, kernel) are set up to run on either PPC or Intel archtectures.
This means the software is "Intel-Ready", just as your computer might come "Internet-ready"; it has all the software installed and configured for any number of different internet connections, but it is up to you to choose which one to use.

The only issue I see is dust-busting the system to remove all the cruft you don't need; Fat binaries are a waste of space if you're not flipping back and forth between archetechures, so the sooner someone comes out with a fat-binary stripper, the better.

Re:Intel- "Ready"? (1)

pohl (872) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052205)

The "lipo" command has existed since the NeXT days. It would be trivial to wrap with a GUI. (Type "man lipo" for more detail.)

frist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14051932)


Re:frist (0, Offtopic)

tehmorph (844326) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051977)

Wow, not only bad spelling but not even first post. I'm impressed. Can't wait for Intel iBooks... how long till Apple release a review version, eh? :)

Leaked Picture link here! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14051933)

Re:Leaked Picture link here! (1, Insightful)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052003)

Lol, that is soooo uncalled for. Funny nevertheless.

Re:Leaked Picture link here! (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052244)

The sad part is everyone here including myself is slavering at the thought of these crank handled laptops. I'd buy one in an instant.

iBook = Mac Mini, no? (4, Interesting)

SamSeaborn (724276) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051941)

My understanding is the iBook and the Mac Mini use the same components.

Surely if Apple announces an Intel based iBook, an Intel based Mac Mini will be there too? Or will follow very shortly.


Re:iBook = Mac Mini, no? (1)

mbbac (568880) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052220)

Mac Mini is closer to the 12" PowerBook.

Re:iBook = Mac Mini, no? (1)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052234)

They don't use the same components, but damned if they aren't similar. It's very possible that both systems get updated, though, as Apple starts with the bottom consumer line and moves their way up. It makes more sense to do it this way as they can gauge user reaction to the change quicker to the "iPod generation", whereas keeping the Pro generation a little behind will give them more time to assure there are no major catastrophies lurking ahead with FCP and their new market buster Aperture.

I fully expect the iBook and Mac mini to be first, then the iMac (this area seems a bit lacking; perhaps a new mid-level Mac to compete better with Dell?), then the PowerBook and PowerMac to finish out the transition by Mid-06.

That would fit the original keynote's MO, anyway (1)

ianscot (591483) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052309)

At the time of the Intel announcement and just after, it was repeatedly said that the first machines that would get the new chips would be the lower end consumer models. That means the laptops -- a segment Apple's been crippled in to some extent because of the inability to get G5s into the things -- and the minis and iMacs.

High-end users would be slower to adopt anyway. People who use Quark held off on OS X for a long time.

WTD does *next* January mean? (3, Funny)

logicnazi (169418) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051959)

Does that mean the next january which will occur or the next one after 'this' january. The first seems way too soon (three months!).

God I hate this particular phrase. It confuses me almost every time. I wish we had some clearer system where we would just say a number before the month/day to indicate how many away it was for small numbers. So instead of next january meaning the first january after this we could say 'the first january' and the next one would be 'the second january'.

So could someone please reply and tell me which it is. Also wouldn't hurt to add it in the story.

Re:WTD does *next* January mean? (1, Informative)

Nerftoe (74385) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052027)

If someone were to say "Next January", that would mean January 2007. If one intends to imply January 2006, simply "January" would suffice.

Not so fast (1)

AnEmbodiedMind (612071) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052170)

That would work great if people used that consistently, but they don't.

Some people use next meaning the one after the coming, while some use to refer to the one coming.

I heard someone tell me that the difference stems from which of the major colleges you went to, but I find that hard to believe.

Re:Not so fast (1)

Nerftoe (74385) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052225)

That would work great if people used that consistently, but they don't.

You are correct. It is best to just avoid the phrase whenever possible. Especially in an editorial environment. Ahem. :)

Re:WTD does *next* January mean? (1)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052043)

Lol. He means "In January, Apple to release Intel based iBook". Why would they be talking about the January in 2007 anyway?

Re:WTD does *next* January mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052146)

Next means the upcomming one (3 months away)...

We don't have a 'current' january going on so it doesn't make sense to think of it as 1 year and 3 months away.

This is Slashdot, we don't need no stinking year (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052171)

This is Slashdot, heck, even the date stamps on the posts don't have a year.

Look at an old story, all the posts will say "October", or "July" or some such month, but no year. How do I know if I'm looking at a discussion from last year or three years ago? Apparently we're just supposed to know.

Next January is the January that is coming up next, ie. January 2006.

Re:WTD does *next* January mean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052257)

Try writing programs to parse it. In one of my past jobs, I've had my apps parse "Friday after next" and "Last week's holiday" (not too bad) and "A week from Wednesday"
And "Christmas" is some parts of the world *IS* ambiguous...some people in the same office can mean "December 25" and other people can mean "January 7"
And don't get me started with a Canada/USA company and "Thanksgiving" October/November

ibook vs. powerbook (1)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051967)

I'm guessing they'll go with the single core since the gap between the ibook and powerbook is already so small, especially the 12" versions.

(personally, I don't see the point of the 12" powerbook at all. imo the ibook looks a lot better at 12" - the metal look suits the larger laptops better since they are wider and seem thinner. the 12" powerbook looks like a fat, heavy piece of metal. ymmv)

Re:ibook vs. powerbook (2, Insightful)

NutscrapeSucks (446616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052071)

My money is on the "Celeron-M" being in both the iBook and the Mini (if the Mini survives the transition). That would allow them to put single-core Pentium-M in most of the Powerbook line, with the dual-core only in special pro models.

Apple will play dual-core laptops for all the margin they're worth, which means there's no way they will be introduced at the bottom or even the middle of the line-up.

One problem with them going mainstream (2, Insightful)

external400kdiskette (930221) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051971)

Is if they continue to put cheap stuff in their entry-level machines which are still always going to be more expensive than the windows equivilants. Specifically in the ram and video card department. I mean the people who want OSX anyway are always going to pay a few hundred extra because they want that but to increase market share and become more mainstream I really think they have to make sure they offer the right ammount of power/screenquality/ram/whatever else for the $ , not just a cool physical design.

Re:One problem with them going mainstream (3, Funny)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052013)

I still think people are buying the iBooks for the coolness, because it is the far better looking than your boring corporate compaq/dell laptops. However for those who don't mind spending the money, nothing beats the custom color beefed up Hypersonic laptop line. []

Re:One problem with them going mainstream (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052068)

God, that thing's ugly as a sin.

Re:One problem with them going mainstream (1)

NutscrapeSucks (446616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052196)

If you're carrying around 12 pound laptop, you're going to look like a dork no matter what color it is.

DVD Jon (3, Insightful)

HeetMyser (655524) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051975)

Although I'm very (VERY) interested to see what Apple's design crew comes up with for these Intel-based machines, the real drama is going to involve watching OS X make its way into the wild, whacky world of x86 commodity hardware. Surely this is going to be one of the most sought-after hacks in the world after the first final release of OS X Intel hits the streets. God help whichever Apple lackey is within 100 yards of SJ when this happens.

Re:DVD Jon (1)

lmsig (110148) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052230)

Ok, have fun with your OS with no appropriate drivers and an experience that works sometimes. Why would you even WANT to use an OS that will not be supported for your hardware? Every software update will break it so you end up running an old version of the software all the time just so you can be l33t? Just but an apple. It really isn't that hard.

Re:DVD Jon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052250)

You're kidding, right?

Not only will this happen, but I would expect Apple to make at best a token fuss over it while giving it a nod and a wink behind closed doors. Having a few (by comparison to the number of computer buyers in the U.S. market) hackers install OS X on hardware they already own, and maybe, just maybe, get to like it, promote it to other people, write some software for it, etc., is well worth an illusory loss of revenue from systems that these people wouldn't have bought anyway.

Every person who uses OS X -- legit or not -- is one step closer to having another software company decide there are enough users to develop software for Apple after all. And every software company that does develop software for Apple means one more legit user who'll buy a system from Apple rather than messing around with hacks to install it on their Dell.

Apple Product Cycle (0, Troll)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051985)

So what stage are at in the Apple Product Cycle [] ? My money is on Stage 2.

Re:Apple Product Cycle (1)

TylerL82 (617087) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052321)

Oh, we're totally on Stage 4 now. Stage 3 doesn't last very long...

Found out via a few 'poison apples' at the Duke... (5, Insightful)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14051987)

...of Edinburgh pub.

"I don't see a need for Apple to go much below $1,000 unless they are going to offer a really low-end iBook with really low-end features," he said. "Cheap (Windows-based) notebooks are just that. Cheap. They have low-resolution, small hard drives, little memory. Apple doesn't need to compete their. They could keep the price the same and offer more. If you're going to lower prices (on iBooks), then lower them on the high end, and add a third, higher-end model that comes at $1,299."

Spelling nazis rejoice!

Re:Found out via a few 'poison apples' at the Duke (1)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052026)

Don't you mean they're? Hoffentlich bin ich richtig!

Re:Found out via a few 'poison apples' at the Duke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052177)

Actually, a German would probably say "Hoffentlich habe ich recht."

Re:Found out via a few 'poison apples' at the Duke (1)

zsazsa (141679) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052072)


Oh, does that mean that they're finally going to raise the resolution on the iBooks from the pathetic 1024x768 that it's been since 2001?

Re:Found out via a few 'poison apples' at the Duke (1)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052271)

1024x768 is fine on a 12.1" screen. Granted the 14" should be 1400x1050 or 1280x1024. I like 1920xwhatever on my monitor at work but on a laptop that would be crazy. I have a T42 thinkpad and 1400x1050 is small enough. I won't get a 15" that is 1600x1200 either. I guess it's all in your desired application. When I need a high resolution I go to the office or my office at home and hook up to a big flat panel (It's kick ass btw) [] . The sad thing is I got it when it first came out for $1299. Still a good deal compared to my Apple Cinema Display though...

Pathetic (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052004)

Apple has got to be kicking themselves these days. They've essentially sunk the Mac platform with their bungling of the IBM relationship. A year from now Apple is going to be just another overpriced x86 OEM who is stuck using the crappier of the two x86 chip makers. WTG Steve!

Kiss those insanely cheap and fast quad 970s goodbye. And say hello to hot and slow crap from Intel.

Humor & irony (2, Insightful)

klubar (591384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052008)

Does anyone appreciate the irony in Microsoft using the PowerPC chip in its XBox and Apple using Intel in its laptops? Both need to implement "on the fly" code conversion to maintain compatibility with older programs. I wonder who has done a better job at an universal converter. (With the XBox 360 some programs have not been made compatible. I wonder if Apple can hit 100%?)

Of course, as of right now Intel is behind the curve in performance compared to AMD. Presumably if MS can get custom PPC chips, Apple will be getting the hottest and latest Intel chips--maybe even custom.

Re:Humor & irony (3, Insightful)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052032)

I expect Apple to get 100% compatibility via Rosetta quite easily. the only difference is speed - MS needs to run games in "real time" whereas computer programs being a bit slower isn't too much of a problem.

Re:Humor & irony (1)

ksdd (634242) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052174)

Well, I wouldn't expect 100% - IANAHWG (hardware geek), but I believe Rosetta will only emulate a G3 processor, so apps that require a G4 or G5 won't run. It may not be a stretch to say that 100% of programs that will run on a G3 will work under Rosetta, though.

Re:Humor & irony (2, Informative)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052091)

Presumably if MS can get custom PPC chips, Apple will be getting the hottest and latest Intel chips--maybe even custom.

The MS guys have been working with IBM engineers for 2 years to build the XBOX360 chip (based on the IBM PPE design, which is also PS3's Cell root and more than likely the base of Revolution's CPU as well. A completely different beast than the Power4 which was the base for Apple's Power970 chips)

Re:Humor & irony (2, Interesting)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052280)

It should also be mentioned that it is far easier to make high performance, processor with high power consumption, than the a high performance processor with low power consumption. The later is what Apple was wanting, but IBM was not delivering and ironically I wonder whether the choice of both the Nintendo and Microsoft to use PowerPC, shifted IBM's priorities and thus forced Apple to make the shift?

As to whether the new Macs could come out as early as January, it certainly is possible, but I am not going to hold my breath and I won't get all depresive if it doesn't happen. At the end of the day, other than a different CPU everything else is the same. If it is a question of games, then the existence of D3D for Mac would be of more interest.

Re:Humor & irony (2, Insightful)

trigeek (662294) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052226)

Apple getting custom chips from Intel? Not with their market-share. Dell couldn't even get custom chips from Intel.

Intel makes its money by making the same thing, millions of times. Custom chips just don't fit in that equation.

Re:Humor & irony (1)

tezbobobo (879983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052247)

Do you realise that it important to designer to use the best tools for the job. The choice of CPU for a particular problem could mean one on many/any things. It could be about cost efficiency, preventing data threat, supply, performance. As for backwards compatability, Apple already did it with OS X, providing complete backward comaptability with a completely different OS. Microsoft has done backwards compatability since CPUs were rocks. It is generally levelled as a criticism. Backwards compatability is a liability, not a bonus.

dual-core ? (2, Interesting)

PureCreditor (300490) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052025)

perhaps Apple can use the single-core versions for iBook to enhance batt life, while using the dual-core on pBook to highlight the differences between the 2 lines of notebooks.

It figures... (4, Insightful)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052034)

I just bought my PowerBook G4. But then again, it runs all my current software/games flawlessly. As much as I love my Macs, any time I've bought first gen products they've been sub-par. I think I'll wait a year or two so that there's a good enough collection of native software available.

Re:It figures... (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052304)

I just bought my PowerBook G4. But then again, it runs all my current software/games flawlessly. As much as I love my Macs, any time I've bought first gen products they've been sub-par. I think I'll wait a year or two so that there's a good enough collection of native software available.

The old adage being never buy version 1 of anything. Even more so if the anything is a very expensive something that is going to be around in improved versions for a long time to come. I'm just waiting to see what wonderful faults the XBox 360 has in store (aside from barely any games) for the suckers unquestioningly buying it in the first few weeks.

Here's hopin' for a smaller widescreen powerbook (1)

xtal (49134) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052048)

Starting to look jealously at some of the offerings out there in the PC world.. not paying powerbook prices for the 12" one they have, and it'd be nice to have widescreen. My 15" albook is nice but kinda big to be really portable.

I'm sure apple won't dissapoint though.. been waiting to upgrade like many powerbook owners currently.

What will be interesting to see is what happens to VirtualPC.. no CAD tools for OSX, so that's the only alternative out there.

But does'nt Apple already support AMD?? (0, Troll)

Guru Goo (875426) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052050)

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This is why I love Apple (3, Interesting)

pubjames (468013) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052076)

Apple says they'll deliver something by a particular date, and instead deliver it six months earlier. That's very cool. Microsoft should learn from them and stop promising and then failing to deliver products on time.

Greater performance than current G4? (4, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052090)

"Greater than current G4" isn't setting the bar very high, especially if they go with the dual core chip (which would certainly be nice). I hesitate to risk a flamewar by asserting that current Pentium-M's are already a lot faster than the G4, but they are, so I will.

will it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052095)

Ive been waiting for this for a while.

but my question is, will i be able to dual boot in xp/os X ? I need XP for work, but also want to be able to use OS X.

If an apple box permits me to do it, I'll be buying quickly

Don't count on it.... (0)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052096)

Don't count on this. I think this is way off base and the reason is is in a recent podcast I had someone mention that Leopard is still very ALPHA. It's not quite ready. Sure, hardware could be, but the OS port probably isn't quite there yet.

Re:Don't count on it.... (1)

robbieduncan (87240) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052151)

WTF? Developers already have 10.4.3 for Intel!

Re:Don't count on it.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052219)

and that has exactly WHAT to do with TFA?

Definitely dual-core! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052102)

They will dedicate one core to drawing graphics, and the other core will be dedicated to playing games.

Could? More like "had better". (4, Insightful)

jasenj1 (575309) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052114)

"The dual-core Yonah chip could very likely deliver performance greater than Apple's current G4-based PowerBooks."

Could? The dual-core Yonah's had better deliver performance better than any of Apple's current laptop lineup. One of the main reasons for the switch to Intel is the sad state of Motorola and IBM's low-power chips.

Other places [] are indicating that Apple will release the Powerbooks first because the higher performance CPUs are what Intel has available now, with the lower performance ones coming in the Spring.

Not news. Merely rumor.

- Jasen.

Re:Could? More like "had better". (1)

jpc (33615) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052260) []

Suggests that the lowest power ones are initially dual core (presumably the single core ones are failed duals and the yields are coming out ok or something).

So more likely to be dual.

"Release at MacWorld Expo" (1)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052129)

That phrasing seems to imply that that's the first place they'll be showing it off. And the processor comes out January or Feburary (dual core or single). So I don't forsee being able to buy one until Feb/Mar, since Apple usually announces then releases a month later, right?

A price break would be nice, since that's what the article predicts. I'd like to see that extend over to Apple cutting prices on the higher end desktops when they go Intel, because that'd be something I'd really want to buy.

The question that the article doesn't answer for me is this: will this iBook be able to use Windows stuff? Other signs point to yes. In that case, Apple having software vendors being slow to adapt isn't a big deal to me.

Now I wonder... (0)

Deacon_Yermouf (900678) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052142) apple going to continue to use airport wireless for their notebooks, or they going to transition to Centrino? I mean, it's already got a (basically) Pentium M in there...

I want to see... (5, Interesting)

AugstWest (79042) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052167) they implement the instant-on stuff. None of this "hibernation" crap, when I open my powerbook, I start working. Done and done.

And it it can be easily implemented on Intel arch, why hasn't it been done?

Right Timing (5, Insightful)

_eb0la_reston_ (930919) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052180)

The announcement date (Jan 2006 at Macworld San Francisco) makes sense: January sales figures are flatline.

Apple, usually makes new product announcements on January:

    * 2005 - iPod Shuffle
    * 2004 - iPod Mini / XServe G5
    * 2003 - 20" Cinema Display + New Powermacs + New iBooks + iLife + Safari + Final Cut Express
    * 2002 - New iMacs + 12" iBook + iPhoto + OSX installed by default on new machines...
    * 2001 - Titanium iBook.

WHY? (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052200)

Why would they want a dual-core laptop? I thought the idea was to not burn the juice?

I mean I do development work on my laptop but when I need the serious power I use my desktop boxes sitting in the basement. To me the value of a laptop is partly in the availability of cpu power but mostly in the fact I can take it with me.

So why would I pay the likely 2700$ or whatever for the newer Powerbooks when an 1100$ laptop would suit me just fine?

Anyone with half a brain would invest in a desktop where replacing components is cheaper. Why pay a premium for a cpu that only works in a laptop where something as simple as swapping an HD can take a few days if not weeks and possibly more money than just buying the drive...

I'm all for new PentiumM cores [e.g. yonah or whatever] but only if it's smaller, lighter, equally fast [or faster] than before while not costing significantly more.


Re:WHY? (1)

lisaparratt (752068) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052283)

One would imagine you could turn one core off to preserve power. Then you have the best of both worlds - a laptop that runs for ages off a single charge, but can still crunch numbers like a demon when the time comes.

Is the G4 really that good? (4, Interesting)

superid (46543) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052241)

"The dual-core Yonah chip could very likely deliver performance greater than Apple's current G4-based PowerBooks"

So a dual core new offering might be as good as a 2+ year old G4??

Is the Pentium M really that bad? Is the G4 really THAT good?

So... (1, Insightful)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052242)

...what's the truth here? Are Intel processors more powerful than Motorola/IBM? Has Apple been lying all this time regarding the performance of PPC vs. x86? Why did Jobs sell out to IBM? Remember how anti-Big Blue he used to be? What's going on? More to the point why did MS decide to flip-flop with the Xbox 360 (should have been called Xbox 180, but I'm sure they don't "get" the difference either) and go with a... PPC? So if Apple has been lying all this time and x86 is actually the better architecture, why did they lie to begin with? Was it a poor business decision that they wanted to cover up? Or is something else entirely going on?

xbox 360 (2, Informative)

Junta (36770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052315)

Think their marketing message is that it is 'revolutionary', and hence 360. xbox 180 would be saying whatever we did last was wrong and we are going a totally different direction, but that isn't the message they feel is correct. They want people to perceive that they have been getting it right, but this next console will revolutionize things along the path they demonstrated, but not abandoning the overall strategic direction.

Yes, it marketize and is confusing, but xbox 180 clearly would send the wrong message regarding their confidence/commitment when the last platform didn't totally bomb. Now other companies that have had horribly bad reputations have done things like say 'we screwed up and learned, try us again', but if their isn't the wide perception of screwing up, the message would just be bizarre.

Re:So... (1)

hkb (777908) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052330)

I have a 3.6ghz P4 DTK unit and a dual 2ghz G5 system. The DTK absolutely smokes my dual G5 box. Smokes. Hard.

Laptop sales plunge until June? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052259)

I wonder if they will sell many laptops before, oh, say, Q3 2006?

    * Holiday sales: Who will buy PowerPC iBooks (or other Mac hardware) during the holidays, with the Intels coming out in January? If you want to keep your computer for a few years, as many consumers do, you'll want the Intel.

    * Version 1.0: Who wants to buy version 1.0 of the Intel-based Macs, fresh out of design and off the production line?

    * No apps: Who wants to buy a platform with no native apps?

Chip Specs (1)

Nerftoe (74385) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052296)

Rumor, probably, but here you go. []

Highly variable predictions from ThinkSecret (3, Informative)

Been on TV (886187) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052319)

The highly reliable sources ThinkSecret often cites, most of the time produces so, so predictions.

Statments like "The dual-core Yonah chip could very likely deliver performance greater than Apple's current G4-based PowerBooks." does not sound too reliable. Why on earth would Apple intro systems with less performance than current models -- and I am not just thinking in terms of real processsor performance, but perceived system performance? They'd be the laughing stock of the industry. Unless they can put a system into the market that gives a noticeable better performance than what is possible with the G4, they will wait. Apple does not want the Intel experience to be mediocre. They want it to be top notch.

I find the predictions AppleInsider made last Friday to be more sensible, but I am still not sure if Apple would put the 32-bit Yonah into the iMac, as it may be seen as a step back from the 64-bit G5. I've commented on Apple's 64-bit roadmap and how to get there [] , mentioning av 64-bit Yonah, which is really the Merom. Perhaps Intel may have been able to bring this chip forward in time from fall 2006 to this spring, enabling Apple to go straight to 64-bit from day one.

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