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Windows Advantage Validation Process On Firefox

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the recognizing-a-worthy-competitor dept.

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GraemeDonaldson writes "According to this IE Blog entry, Microsoft seems to be serious about supporting non-IE browsers. Mention is made of a Windows Media Player plugin for Firefox. The Windows Genuine Advantage validation process now works in Firefox too. From the article: 'Basically, customers said "We want to make sure our PCs are running genuine Windows and have access to all the content on the Microsoft Download Center; the experience when we're running a Mozilla browser is not great. Do something about it." Brad's team did. I think that's a good thing for customers.'"

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But... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052808)

What happens if you are running a pirated copy of Firefox?

Re:But... (5, Funny)

rob_squared (821479) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052876)

You have to pay back to mozilla the suggested retail price.

Re:But... (2, Funny)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052941)

Plus a whopping 80% penalty.

-Peter

Re:But... (1)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053275)

You shouldn't have admitted it on a public forum.

AC, the BSA is on its way now. Prepare for your cavity search.

Re:But... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14053360)

Considering firefox is free from firefox.com i dont think its possible to have a pirated copy. IT IS OPEN SOURCE AFTER ALL

Re:But... (1)

crazed (811280) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053391)

This is one of those situations where you really hope the parent is joking. You just can't be too sure...

The end of the world is coming.... (4, Funny)

ZiakII (829432) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052812)

If this isn't any proof that the end of the world is coming.... I don't know what is

Re:The end of the world is coming.... (4, Funny)

richdun (672214) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053362)

Eh, the Red Sox and White Sox would have to win consecutive World Series before we should really worry about the end of the world. I don't think we have anything to worry about.

Feline Poop! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052814)

Fuck you, all of you motherfucking LambdaMOOers, you! That's right, fuck y'all! Damn!

Holy crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052818)

Perhaps the monopolist is starting to get the point.

Re:Holy crap (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052928)

They got the point a long time ago.. Most likly they are feeling the policial and legal pressure.

Re:Holy crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14053029)

No, Microsoft is just working towards their best interests. Currently Firefox is not that great of a browser (mainly because of the widespread use of non-standard HTML code that Microsoft introduced), thus most of the people who use it on Windows are doing so because of the lack of security and stability of Windows and Internet Explorer; if Microsoft doesn't make it really easy for these people to patch their systems they probably won't patch their systems and then the security and stability of their system will degrade.

What will happen to Windows users (who are already annoyed by the stability and security of Windows/IE) when their system's security and stability degrade? They will start looking at alternatives (Linux/Mac OSX).

Steps one and two in place. (5, Insightful)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053343)

Perhaps the monopolist is starting to get the point.

1) Embrace
2) Extend
3) Extinguish

Steps 1 and 2 are now in place. In this case it's Mozilla/Firefox that gets embraced and extended, but what gets extinguished is open-source media formats.

By making a Mozilla plugin for their media product they reduce the pressure on content providers to supply content in other formats.

Meanwhile, any bets on whether / when use of the plugin starts "accidentally" introducing vulnerabilities into Mozilla that are exploitable during ordinary browsing? (Something like the backdoor {BARNdoor} you install in IE when you APPLY to obtain the full removal tool for Sony's rootkit?) And there goes security, the main driver of migration from IE to Mozilla.

Brrrrrrrrr, cold here (2, Interesting)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052825)

And my good pal Satan didn't even get a call from Billy boy?

Just kidding, I am glad that this is the first positive sign that MS is taking Mozilla seriously.
Although they could have a trick up their sleeve.

First impression of this is positive though :)

Second impression is that they might break Firefox stuff on purpose to bring people back to IE, but that's the cynic in me.

Re:Brrrrrrrrr, cold here (1)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052972)

am glad that this is the first positive sign that MS is taking Mozilla seriously.

I think there have been other first positive signs that MS is taking Mozilla seriously...like you know, when MS did research reports to see if FF is a credible threat.

Re:Brrrrrrrrr, cold here (2, Insightful)

Capt. Caneyebus (883802) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053103)

The first sign that MS was accepting mozilla was IE7 and the tabbed browsing.

Other Options beside windows update (4, Informative)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053208)

WindizUpdate: http://windowsupdate.62nds.com/ [62nds.com]
They've been around for a while now and aren't shady.
You use it just like the regular windows update site.
Supports Mozilla, Opera, AOL & K-Meleon (?)

AutoPatcher XP: http://www.autopatcher.com/ [autopatcher.com]
They provide windows updates every month packaged in
one big executable (Full and Lite versions available)
Available through http, ftp, & bittorrent

Alternatively, you can disrespect MS by using a cracked LegitCheckControl.DLL

Re:Brrrrrrrrr, cold here (2, Insightful)

Narcissus (310552) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053235)

My first thoughts were quite the opposite, to be honest.

Before, when IE was the only browser that could be used to update, they didn't really know how many people were using Firefox. Well, I guess they did with microsoft.com and the other sites, so I take that back.

Anywho, my point is this: now they don't have to worry about relying on other surveys to determine how many people are using Firefox. They can work it out themselves and from there, determine the actual threat to their browser base.

Having said all of that, I would hazard a guess and say that non-IE users are more likely to check for updates and the like, so I don't really know. Alternatively, they've scrapped the source base for IE7 and skinned Firefox, so they need it to work for IE7 to work :)

Just throwing it out there...

Re:Brrrrrrrrr, cold here (1)

Narcissus (310552) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053282)

I'm an idiot.

I was wondering how the update 'update' process would work from within Firefox, then realised that we were all talking about the 'Windows Genuine Advantage' code.

Still, I think my point still stands: the more their sites support other browsers, the more they will begin to see exactly what their market share is like.

Re:Brrrrrrrrr, cold here (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053301)

"Second impression is that they might break Firefox stuff on purpose to bring people back to IE, but that's the cynic in me." why would they even bother to fix the Windows Update in the first place then? By making Windows Update work in FireFox, they are then presumably giving people even more reason to ignore IE (hotmail from messenger and windows update are the only 2 things I do in IE.. oh wait there's also PC World's website, which used to work in FireFox till a few weeks ago o_0 ). The more they let the FF userbase grow, then obviously the less people are going to use IE, apart from in the few sites that still require the IE quirks.. which will either stop being visited, or will change to accomodate the masses.. if they have any business sense ;)

Windows Updates? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052828)

Office Updates? Microsoft Updates? Slow link response in Outlook (and other Office apps) if non-IE browser is default? There still is a ways to go for Microsoft before they can claim they are supporting browsers other than their own.

Re:Windows Updates? (1)

NaruVonWilkins (844204) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052977)

Slow link response? Same time it takes the browser to start.

Re:Windows Updates? (2, Insightful)

spxero (782496) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053119)

In my opinion, they are still far off from that claim. Sure, making Windows updates is a step in the right direction, but they still need to fix things like viewing their news video clips in firefox, as well as supporting tabbed browsing.

My gf has to have her homepage set to MSN, and any time I see something interesting and scroll-wheel click to send it to a new tab, it loads that page in the current tab as well. I know that it's hard to provide support for everything, but MS is trying a little too hard to be incompatable.

Re:Windows Updates? (1)

toleraen (831634) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053381)

I don't know if I'm reading your post wrong...but I just went to MSN, middle-clicked about a dozen links from different parts of the msn.com site, and they all loaded into a tab fine with no change to the current tab. Might want to check your tabbed browser settings, or update Firefox...1.5 works fine on MSN.

Re:Windows Updates? (4, Insightful)

zootm (850416) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053161)

The slow link response seems to be because IE is generally memory-resident (and smaller) and takes less time to open than Firefox in general (certainly I notice no difference in times between opening a link from Outlook and opening from XChat or whatever), so I'm not convinced this is really an issue of their bias.

The updates use controls that wouldn't go on Firefox because they'd be deemed unsafe (I believe there's a plugin to make them work, I wouldn't recommend it though). The best way for Microsoft to get around this would be to stop relying on a browser at all for Windows Updates, which is basically what they've done by "forcing" Automatic Updates (which isn't browser-based) on in XP SP2.

Yeah but... (4, Informative)

xero9 (810991) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052829)

if you try and just go straight to the downloads page you still have to download GenguineCheck.exe and paste the code in. If I hadn't read the summary, I wouldn't have known about this plugin And somethign else that's interesting.. Even after installing the plugin and closing Firefox completely, when I return to the downloads page it STILL wants me to paste the validation code in

Re:Yeah but... (2, Interesting)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053241)

If one was so inclined, could a ficticious person download and grab the code from a validated machine and paste it in from an unvalidated machine?

Just out of curiosity you understand..

Attention all passengers... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052848)

Swine Air flight 666 is now boarding at gate 13.

ooh well (0)

Ragein (901507) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052849)

Sounds great.

I just need a real version of windows now.
££

Re:ooh well (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052872)

Sorry, I just don't believe that Microsoft's customers were the ones demanding the ability to validate whether or not their version of Windows was legit...

Good news (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Brave Guy (457657) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052853)

This can only be good news. Just last night, lack of ability to get downloads easily from Microsoft cost someone else (a small games publisher needing a recent DirectX version) money, as my other half and I gave up on the hassle of downloading from MS, and therefore didn't pay to download the puzzle game in question either. We both have 100% legal installations of Windows on our machines, and she was willing to pay the small asking price for a simple puzzle game she found enjoyable. Everyone lost.

long live billware (3, Funny)

andrelix (873009) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052877)

this is a sad day, what is next, a media player that can be installed on Vista, CD burning software from a third party, what is this world coming to! Actually in all fairness, this is a good thing even if I dont run firefox. It is nice to see M$ acknowlege the use of other browsers by doing something besides trying to stomp them out...

Re:long live billware (1)

LordSnooty (853791) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053153)

Well yeah, they tried stomping them out, but they got into a whole heap of trouble over it.

Very usefull (5, Interesting)

jurt1235 (834677) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052891)

This is very usefull. Suppose you have a system where IE is heavily infected with spyware, but you do have a firefox installed. At least you can leave IE unused to get some of the necessary service packs for your windows system by using this alternative browser. Everytime I use firefox on windows to help somebody out, I still have to start IE to use the Microsoft tools to update a part of the system. The rest of the Microsoft site always worked very good in mozilla anyway (at least, I never ran into any problems, then again I am running linux fulltime since 2000, and before that 50% of the time, so I am probably not the most representitive user of the Microsoft website)

If they really wanted to improve our experience... (3, Insightful)

dslauson (914147) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052894)

They would think seriously about supporting openDocument.

Re:If they really wanted to improve our experience (2, Insightful)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053030)

They would think seriously about supporting openDocument.

It's called bargaining. "Oh, they support firefox, so they must not be THAT bad".

Re:If they really wanted to improve our experience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14053091)

Ooh, and they must stop using Tibetan slave labor!

Oh, wait. They don't use Tibetan slave labor and they already said they'll be supporting OpenDoc.

Re:If they really wanted to improve our experience (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053187)

...they already said they'll be supporting OpenDoc.

Where? I don't remember seeing this.

Coming next... (5, Interesting)

Jjeff1 (636051) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052906)

A firefox plugin that enables ActiveX. I'll be sure to download that!

I use firefox as much to avoid the heavy-handed control Microsoft and other corporations are trying to exert over how my PC should operate. Just now I'm noticing that macromedia is poping up an icon in my system tray! Hello?, it's a browser plugin. It should only do stuff within the browser!

Re:Coming next... (3, Informative)

HoosierPeschke (887362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052959)

Not next, Already here [www.iol.ie] ...

Re:Coming next... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052966)

OK, here you go [www.iol.ie] !

It's existed for quite a while, and is in the Mozilla source, just disabled by default.

Re:Coming next... (1)

P3NIS_CLEAVER (860022) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053047)

Being able to run Windows update without starting IE would be a big plus. You could always disable the plugin when you don't need it.

Re:Coming next... (0, Redundant)

amightywind (691887) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053137)

Just now I'm noticing that macromedia is poping up an icon in my system tray! Hello?, it's a browser plugin. It should only do stuff within the browser!

Immunity from the silly tricks commercial software vendors use to infect machines is one of the great joys of GNU/Linux. Could you imagine Macromedia trying to mangle my XFCE menus?

Y'know... (4, Funny)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052924)

'Basically, customers said "We want to make sure our PCs are running genuine Windows and have access to all the content on the Microsoft Download Center; the experience when we're running a Mozilla browser is not great. Do something about it."

Nope. I'll bet no-one said anything of the kind. I think it probably went more like this "FFS! f*cking MS doesn't work!" maybe...

 

Re:Y'know... (3, Funny)

Atzanteol (99067) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053067)

Why, just the other day I was wondering if there is a way to validate the legality of the content on my DVD products at home!

Gawd I hate PR drivel...

Development $ Fine $ (2, Interesting)

joey_knisch (804995) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052936)

I am sorry but this is not all that surprising given the amount of anti-monopoly litigation in Europe and in the States. It cost less money to develop the code than get slapped with another huge fine.

too little (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052948)

too late

OMG OMG The end is near!!! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14052949)

Dogs and cats, sleeping together...

Hey! Is that Satan over there ice skating????

j/k Actually, I think this is a really smart move on MSFTs part. They realize that while they have the dominant desktop, many people are beginning to become smarter and make personal choices about what applications they use instead of just accepting whatever MSFT has chosen to provide. If they can make the desktop experience for people who still need Windows, but prefer to use OSS when possible, then great.

I'm not going to care... (2, Interesting)

Entropius (188861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052956)

... until they start fixing some glaring bugs in Windows. I've got a legal copy of Windows XP, but the only reason I do is because it came with my laptop, and the only reason I got a laptop with Windows included is because it was crazy on sale. Were I buying a machine now, I'd get an Asus z70va and slap a pirate copy on it.

This machine has 1.25 GiB of RAM. Most of the time when I try to hibernate it -- if I've ever run anything memory-intensive, whether or not it's still open -- I get an "Insufficient resources to complete the API" error, and it doesn't hibernate. (I have about 30 GB of disk free, so that is most certainly not the issue).

There are all sorts of glaring flaws in Windows. Do I really care if I get access to the shit on Windows Update (Ooh, new version of Windows Media Player that probably still won't play oggs without me having to mess with codecs)? Not really. Security updates? Yay, I'll lose my install of Guild Wars, at worse, if someone gets past my firewall and "4dminist4t0r5" (doesn't quite sound like "r00ts", but whatever) it. All my *important* stuff is on the Linux half of this machine, and since Microsoft *still* doesn't have an ext3 filesystem driver, it's safe from the kiddies.

When Windows Update works like emerge, I might consider using it.

Re:I'm not going to care... (1)

GmAz (916505) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053008)

First, check to see if you have the restore point enabled. Also, if you have 1.25gb ram, turn off virtual memory. Turn those off and try hibernate if you haven't already tried it.

Re:I'm not going to care... (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053333)

I have 1gb memory in my machine and for a while ran with virtual mem turned off, more and more recently it was giving the "windows is running low on virtual memory..." type messages, games like halflife 2 requiring around 500mb, firefox can eat over 100mb, the other "standard" windows stuff eat another 200, and if I happen to leave one or two other things on it dies.

1.25gb might sound like enough, and some people may never hit the boundary, but disabling it entirely is a worse option than having programs crash.

I would like to prioritise memory so that as much as possible don't use the disk, but if a request comes in that is outside available space THEN goto disk, it doesn't make much sense "saving" your memory by using disk for everything used a few times in the systems uptime.

Re:I'm not going to care... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14053304)

Sounds like a hardware or driver issue to me. I don't have these problems with my windows box with 2GB of ram or laptop with 1GB of ram.

Business as usual (1)

Destoo (530123) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052965)

This just sounds like business as usual.

Just your textbook "Embrace and extend"

We really live in interesting times, but I want to be part of it.
I thought I'd be in the front seat by now, but in that damn corporate ladder, I'm still just a step above the guy who sorts the photocopies.

Contact me if you have an offer.

Re:Business as usual (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14053261)

Do you even know what Embrace and Extend mean?

Advantage to who. (1)

davro (539320) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052970)

Windows Genuine Hah.
Advantage Plug-in installation, not really an advantage for 'Ubuntu the geeks favorite"

Don't forget... (1)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052975)

One of Microsoft's main business principles even from way back is "Embrace and Extend"...
This would appear to be the "Embrace" part.

oblig (2, Funny)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052978)

I'd like to see a Beowulf cluster of these things running Firefox on Windows.

Wait a minute, what am I saying?!?

NO NO BAD BAD BAD BAD THOUGHTS!!!!!!

Microsoft Supports Diversity (1)

pureseth (917220) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052980)

It's good that they are throwing more support to other browsers instead of just IE. Sure IE has it's perks but so does every other browser, and it's good that they are making sure that they support some of these browsers better.

Whee media player! :D (4, Funny)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#14052983)

Finally I can put midis on my webpages again! :)

Boy, I missed those since Netscape 4.

3 nasty words.. (1)

yourlord (473099) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053002)

embrace and extend.

Re:3 nasty words.. + one (2, Insightful)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053128)

Extinguish

Windows Media Player for Firefox on Linux (1)

hey (83763) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053014)

... would be nice.

Re:Windows Media Player for Firefox on Linux (2, Interesting)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053037)

Given that mozilla is open source , you'd have thought they'd have supported
an open source OS. I can't see why it should be an issue porting to linux , after
all , the only difference is in the draw-to-screen API. ANyone know why its
not supported?

Re:Windows Media Player for Firefox on Linux (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053238)

Given that mozilla is open source , you'd have thought they'd have supported an open source OS. I can't see why it should be an issue porting to linux , after all , the only difference is in the draw-to-screen API. ANyone know why its not supported?

Probably for the same reason you can't play the 1080p HDTV samples on the WMP site using any other player than WMP10. Or the same reason stand-alone codecs for WMV always lagged WMP releases. Hint: It's not technical. If you want to play a movie, they want you using their player. If you want to use a movie plugin, they want you using their OS. Did you really need to ask?

Re:Windows Media Player for Firefox on Linux (1)

zootm (850416) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053359)

There isn't a version of Windows Media Player for Linux. The plugin uses the components of the full player (as with most media plugins which aren't restricted to the browser). Basically, since MS haven't made a Windows Media port for Linux, embedding it in a browser is completely impossible. One wonders how hard it would be for them to make one, though (it can't be that far from the OSX version, other than — as you mention — the drawing to screen).

Re:Windows Media Player for Firefox on Linux (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14053171)

Linux Windows Media Player?
Windows Linux Media Player?
Windows Media Player Linux?

It just doesn't sound good.

Re:Windows Media Player for Firefox on Linux (1)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053337)

They'd call it Windows Media Player for Linux, with the "for Linux" in a smaller font.

Either that, or they'd just call it 'Windows Media Player', and put "RedHat/SuSE/Mandrake" version, and distibute it as an RPM only.

If you want to figure out Microsoft branding for alternative OSs, you don't have to go further than the Mac.

From Microsoft.com:
Downloads for Windows Media Player 9 for Mac (OS X):

Windows Media Player 9 for Mac OS X
Sporting a new brushed steel skin for Apple's newest operating system, this new version of our player opens the world of Windows Media 9 content to Macintosh users.


I could imagine:

Downloads for Windows Media Player 9 for Linux (Redhat/SuSE):

Re:Windows Media Player for Firefox on Linux (2, Informative)

fliplap (113705) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053272)

Why would you want that? MPlayer already plays as many, if not more, formats than Windows Media Player and is available with your choice of non-horrible non-crazy-bloated frontends.

Don't want to bother with MPlayer's issues? Xine is available as a package included in most distributions and plays everything that MPlayer does, with the exception of really weird formats. I can't say I've found something that Xine won't play.

What?? (4, Interesting)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053035)

Do I really want ActiveX components running free in Firefox?

Link steals tab focus in FF 1.5b2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14053049)

just for fun, i opened the "WGA Validation" page in a separate FF 1.5b2 tab. As I was trying to change the default comment settings on /., that tab kept stealing focus and displaying a pop-down menu from the top of the browser window.


they can't even do that without being obnoxious about it. sheesh.


-hj

It's about time... (2, Insightful)

gasmonso (929871) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053056)

Now if both browsers and programmers would adhere to the html standards we might actually get somewhere. I'm tired of testing my website in 3 browsers and seeing three different results :(

gasmonso http://religiousfreaks.com/ [religiousfreaks.com]

moving towards a browser based computer experience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14053058)

Sounds like Microsoft is really going the whole "Media matters, method is moot," with everything they do beoing online accessible (ie Office Live etc). Go4it, I say.

A trim, fast, sparkly M$. Hooray! Hooray for the thinclient! Hooray!

Windows Media Player plugin for Firefox ? (1)

ops_com (912379) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053074)

How they can call this a firefox plugin ? The link point to Microsoft website to download Windows Media Player. If you already have WMP, you just have to configure the plugin settings in Firefox to play WMP stuff...

Re: Windows Media Player plugin for Firefox ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14053114)

Whats interesting is that the plugin for firefox is an ActiveX application. WMP installs some kind of ActiveX functionality into firefox (on the sly). I only noticed this while running script block on a page with an embedded media file.

Just because were paranoid.... (1)

bpevansncsu (766367) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053098)

...doesn't mean that Microsoft really isn't after our favorite browser.

what about empower? (1)

matt4077 (581118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053110)

I still can't sign up for empower in Safari, Firefox, Opera or even IE 5 Mac. But I need the Empower program to get my WinXP license so I can run IE for win. MS Catch-22?

I installed fake Windows the other day (5, Funny)

HomerJ (11142) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053118)

'Basically, customers said "We want to make sure our PCs are running genuine Windows and have access to all the content on the Microsoft Download Center; the experience when we're running a Mozilla browser is not great. Do something about it." Brad's team did. I think that's a good thing for customers.'"

Yeah, I installed this Windows the other day, had some sort of goofy foot for a start menu, Office didn't install, and I couldn't get any of my games to work. I'm glad now there is a way I can see if I actually have genuine Windows, and not that fake Windows going around.

Google pays a dollar for Firefox switchers (5, Interesting)

pubjames (468013) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053134)


I have read here [explorerdestroyer.com] that Google is paying a dollar for everyone you can get to switch from IE to Firefox. Is this true? Any Slashdotters acually made any money from this?

I'll be interested to see what Microsoft is going to do in Vista to try to spoil things for Firefox. My guess is even further integration of IE into Windows, and lots of stuff that doesn't even feel like you're using IE will actually be through their browser. Also, they're going to try to get more lock-in on the corporate intranet rather than the public web.

oh submit comments about the plugin (1)

demon411 (827680) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053144)

submitted to ms [microsoft.com]

to brad, i choose firefox so i wouldn't have to deal with your crappy programming skills so...i don't think i'll be installing your plugin

I see your real agenda is protecting me counterfeit software: "The Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) program is part of Microsoft's on-going effort to protect its customers and partners from counterfeit software, and increase customer awareness of the value of genuine Windows XP."

Thanks for the help but i can handle that on my own!

Amazing... (1)

Eggplant62 (120514) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053159)

Microsoft actually listens to customers? Will wonders never cease...

Jabbascript (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14053162)

Great.

So I'm guessing they ported sDisableWGACheck over, too.
Lets hope Firefox will swallow javascript:void(window.g_sDisableWGACheck=all) just like IE does.

first p0sT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14053174)

Crrek, abysmal about bylaws endless conflic7 [amazingkreskin.com] be treated by your by the politickers may do, may not large - keep your *BSD is dying Yet

Mozilla Site Rendering (2, Interesting)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053193)

It's about this site ==> https://pfs.mozilla.org/plugins/ [mozilla.org]

I loaded it on both IE6 [nyud.net] & Firefox(1.0.2) [nyud.net]

Strangely, it renders very differently on the 2 browsers.
It renders much better on IE.

What's the story?

Re:Mozilla Site Rendering (1)

EnderWiggin99 (84576) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053223)

Your stylesheets are disabled.

Re:Mozilla Site Rendering (1)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053266)

Your stylesheets are disabled.

How do I enable it?

Re:Mozilla Site Rendering (1)

chowells (166602) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053254)

Style sheet didn't load or is disabled.

Re:Mozilla Site Rendering (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14053300)

It renders best of all in FireFox 1.5. Give that a try..

Re:Mozilla Site Rendering (1)

ops_com (912379) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053306)

Strange, but I see the page perfectly on Firefox 1.0.7.

When will WGA support Mac OS X? (4, Funny)

Andrew Tanenbaum (896883) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053211)

I feel a bit left out.

LMFAO. I haven't even installed it... (2, Interesting)

DominicanZero (861859) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053217)

...and already found a stupid bug. =p

Try installing Firefox/Mozilla/Whatever Mozilla-compatible browser you use in a non-standard installation folder (i.e. NOT [root]:\[Program files folder]\Mozilla [Firefox]) and try installing the plugin; it won't even ask you to look for the damn correct directory and blow up in mid-installation. XD


This is why I love Microsoft: Unsurpassable jokes every now and then. =p

So, what's the score? (1)

no_barcode (840948) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053237)

Sony: -1
MS: +1
Google: +3

Live Services (2, Insightful)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053243)

The reason they are suddenly changing their tune is because they believe that the industry may be switching to LIVE SERVICES. If your service (such as Excel Live) doesn't work in one browser because you chose not to follow industry standards, that will mean that people will use another service.

Microsoft is afraid of people trying others services so they will want to make sure that they build code that is interoperable with other browsers especially now that Firefox has anywhere from 10-25% of the market share.

They can't afford to ignore other browsers now.

Technical details (1)

maunleon (172815) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053244)

Pretty smart. They probably just wrapped IE in a Mozilla plugin. ;)

Re:Technical details (1)

sbrown123 (229895) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053324)

Yeah, and you probably can't uninstall Firefox now because of that.

standards? (1)

cwells (58526) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053277)

M$ to adobpt standards other than their own? what?

Good thing for the customer (2, Informative)

thepoch (698396) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053289)

Why is it that I always seem to read this phrase from Microsoft... and yet don't always see it in practice? If it's something that may eat their monopoly, they say it's bad for the customers. Example? Open Document Format, and Linux. OpenDocument gives people the option of choosing office suites without the worry of format troubles. That's good for the customer. Linux distributions give customers the choice of platform. That's also good for the customer. Simply these two things increases competition, possibly increasing quality and, hopefully, lowering prices. Isn't that good for customers as well?

It's 11:40 AM EST (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14053373)

Is Brad still employed with the same company? Is his electronic badge still working? Are their security cameras tracking his movements, recording his contacts today?

Misinterpretation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14053374)

Doesn't this just mean that Microsoft doesn't give a hoot about the much-ballyhooed browser war anymore? So the OS community is winning a war against an enemy that's not fighting it anymore.

Firefox is teh awesome, I use it and Opera and Safari, never IE. But is this a victory?

Validation Smalidation... (3, Informative)

I.M.O.G. (811163) | more than 8 years ago | (#14053401)

We already know validation can be turned off in IE as follows: Go to IE>Tools>Manage Add-ons, find Windows Genuine Validation listed there, and select disable. No more check required, and you can get all your updates.

So how do we turn it off for Firefox? Ironic that I found it easier to turn off in IE, and I haven't yet found how to do it in firefox...

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