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Sony May Sell HD-DVDs

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the anything-is-possible dept.

Media 91

MarkRH writes "Although many sites posted the Reuters story on Sony merging its optical storage operations with NEC, people forget that NEC is one of the four senior members of the HD-DVD Promotion Group. What this means is that by next year the merged unit could sell CD drives, DVD drives, Blu-Ray, and 'perhaps even that other format,' a Sony spokesman told eWEEK. A bit shocking, given the acrimonious nature of the rivalry so far."

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nublar (-1, Troll)

doyoulikegoatseeee (930088) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067173)

lol

Re:nublar (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14067272)

I hope Sony does not get distracted by the current irritations caused by a third-party software. It should follow its way on providing their customers premium, exclusive content at low retail prices, using modern tools to manage your digital rights.

When nuclear weaons were first deployed, most countries refused to admit that it was for the best of humanity and has shortened the war significantly. Nowadqys, nuclear weapons are a way to guarantee a stability and peaceful world like no era in history before has seen.

Re:nublar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14067314)

Ok, who is the idiot that modded this up?

Re:nublar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14067320)

That's something I'd like to know too. Metamods: pwn grandparent.

Re:nublar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14067345)

Are you saying that we don't live in peaceful times?

Re:nublar (1)

ardle (523599) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067408)

That wasn't even funny

More goodies from Sony! (5, Funny)

needacoolnickname (716083) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067184)

Is it possible to put a rootkit on on television?

Re:More goodies from Sony! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14067226)

Oh man, that joke is almost as funny as when I see people type M$!

Re:More goodies from Sony! (1)

needacoolnickname (716083) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067261)

Is it because I didn't preview and my grammar sucks or just because you have no sense of humor?

Re:More goodies from Sony! (2, Funny)

RoadDoggFL (876257) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067652)

Both?

Re:More goodies from Sony! (1)

needacoolnickname (716083) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067750)

That's fair.

Re:More goodies from Sony! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14067724)

No, it was just dumb. Too obvious and normal. Next time try a little harder and you may ACTUALLY be funny.

Re:More goodies from Sony! (2, Insightful)

macaulay805 (823467) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067291)

Quite possibly, have you ever seen Cops? People get 0wned all the time!

In Soviet Russia... (3, Funny)

happyfrogcow (708359) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067502)

Is it possible to put a rootkit on on television?

In Soviet Russia, rootkits put you on television.

Re:In Soviet Russia... (1, Funny)

ikkonoishi (674762) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067723)

No its "In Soviet Russia, You install rootkits on Sony's PCs!"

Re:In Soviet Russia... (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 8 years ago | (#14068227)

No its "In Soviet Russia, You install rootkits on Sony's PCs!"

I have a Vaio, you insensitive clod!

I just hope this isn't like +/- DVD R/RW (1)

ModernGeek (601932) | more than 8 years ago | (#14069214)

I hope this just doesn't become a thing like DVD +/- R. The two formats battled each-other, and now we have drives that support both formats, but have to buy different media. Why can't it just be one or the other?

Re:More goodies from Sony! (2, Insightful)

tomcres (925786) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067587)

yeah.. seriously, I almost wasn't even going to comment on this.. but.. someone at Sony should probably realize that no matter what they do right now, it's going to be colored by the whole XCP scandal.. they might just want to stay out of the press for a while until things aren't so hot...

Re:More goodies from Sony! (1)

Pneuma ROCKS (906002) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067588)

Is it possible to put a rootkit on on television?

I don't think rootkits are that popular. Oh wait...

Re:More goodies from Sony! (2, Interesting)

Jon Abbott (723) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067708)

Although rootkits on TV seem improbable, the thought of Goatse man as a copy protection measure seems plausible though... Would you copy a DVD that showed Goatse man at random times during the movie?

Is that... (1)

Animaether (411575) | more than 8 years ago | (#14068188)

a trick question? ó_ò

Re:More goodies from Sony! (2, Funny)

farker haiku (883529) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067934)

Mmmm. High definition root kits.

Article Summary (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14067190)

HD-DVD is still dead.

Gee.. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14067196)

No rootkit for me, thank you.

After a few months on the market... (0, Redundant)

foobarra (869305) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067197)

...they will start recalling the drives, due to rootkits found embedded in the firmware.

Some rootkit with that optical drive sir? (2, Insightful)

greyfeld (521548) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067200)

Really though, you just know that they are going to put some kind of serious DRM crap on these. You'll be able to burn a disc of data (mp3's) but not copy your own data or play it in a different burner I imagine. What a crock. Sony sucks!

A Suggestion (2, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067204)

Perhaps Sony could take this revenue and buy some ethics.

Re:A Suggestion (1)

Yaa 101 (664725) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067443)

Sorry for you, your mod was bought instead to designate you troll.

I agree with your point, they bought anything else, why not ethics too?

Re:A Suggestion (1)

FullCircle (643323) | more than 8 years ago | (#14068253)

Ethics is free but it's under a GPL license.

Hmm, guess that shouldn't be stopping them...

Re:A Suggestion (1)

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They may sell them (2, Informative)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067208)

BUT, I'm not going to BUY them personally. I'm sticking to my no Sony policy.

Re:They may sell them (1)

Siffy (929793) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067333)

What about NEC products? I'm about irritated with Sony to the point that I may decide to boycott products from companies that associate with Sony as well.

Re:They may sell them (1)

RoadDoggFL (876257) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067663)

Why stop there? Stop even talking to people who buy Sony products. Hell, cease to acknowledge their existence...

But in all seriousness, wouldn't that get rather confusing?

Nothing to see here... (3, Insightful)

guitaristx (791223) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067210)

How appropriate, "Nothing to see here, please move along." This would be the caption for my mental associations with sony whenever I'm out shopping for Christmas gifts. Sony producing new technology isn't terribly interesting to me if I know they might be installing rootkits on my boxen.

Re:Nothing to see here... (1)

sedyn (880034) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067458)

You know, for a second the optimist in me hoped that because of all this sony might be forced to go the other way and denounce all attempts to restrict content through a customer's hardware.

Then the pragmatist in me woke up, realized that the average customer has a 20 minute memory and even if they heard about the hubris of sony, they wouldn't understand/care. Nothing will change except that people on places like /. will avoid sony and inform their friends/relatives not to buy it.

But I am pleased about the general response on /. that sony has been added to the list of evil. Does anyone here care to promise that during the hype caused by the release of the PS3 that they will be reminding everyone of this event?

As a side note, does anyone know where I can get a list of products that have sony equipment in them?

Re:Nothing to see here... (1)

RoadDoggFL (876257) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067678)

Satan. Or really anybody from Hell's customer service desk could get that list to you if you'd like.

Re:Nothing to see here... (1)

Ugly American (885937) | more than 8 years ago | (#14069675)

Then the pragmatist in me woke up, realized that the average customer has a 20 minute memory and even if they heard about the hubris of sony, they wouldn't understand/care. Nothing will change except that people on places like /. will avoid sony and inform their friends/relatives not to buy it.
Lack of understanding might actually work against Sony. Their rootkit made national news; the average person might not understand what a rootkit is and why it's dangerous, but they can grasp "Sony discs do bad stuff to your PC." The average person is also unlikely to know how to recognize a DRM'ed disc in the store, so they may end up avoiding anything from Sony to be on the safe side. Then there's the lawsuits that are getting started; those will keep the bad press going for a while.

Besides, I don't think that this story is over yet. Sony-BMG's other DRM scheme (MediaMax) is almost as intrusive as XCP, and the other labels undoubtedly are trying similar tricks.

Re:Nothing to see here... (1)

halber_mensch (851834) | more than 8 years ago | (#14160660)

Does anyone here care to promise that during the hype caused by the release of the PS3 that they will be reminding everyone of this event?

I did so with the release of the Playstation, Windows 2000, Windows XP, the XBox, the Playstation 2, and the XBox 360. I promise to continue my embargo of discontent on Sony's PS3 as well.

DRM (5, Insightful)

Sefert (723060) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067244)

Given Sony's ethics lately, I think I can safely say that I won't be buying anything with the Sony brand name stamped on it for a long time to come, especially if the device stores any data. Frankly, I won't even buy any CD's with the Sony label any more. I really hope the class action lawsuit against them cripples them pretty seriously, though I suspect it'll be more of the slap-on-the-hand variety of justice. If only the courts could take a division of a company as punishment, sell it off, and prohibit them from playing ball in that field in the future.

Re:DRM (3, Insightful)

VGR (467274) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067738)

Then they'll stop making things stamped with the Sony brand name.

If Sears can call itself Kenmore, I'm sure Sony can manage to label its products Trustworthytronics or something.

They may not fool you the first few times, but do you really have time to keep up with every front company they'll create? They'll sneak it in eventually.

As a Sony employee... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14068001)

...with virtually no input into the decision-making process, let me ask you anyway: What would it take for you to forgive and forget (or at least hit the "reset" button on your image of us)? A public apology and restitution? Firing everyone currently in management? What specifically would you like to see us doing differently, and how long do you think it would take to restore our reputation in your eyes?

I'm as horrified as anyone at my company's actions of late, but I still believe things will get better here.

Re:As a Sony employee... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14068265)

Logically, the first step would be to completely drop the DRM crap.

Re:As a Sony employee... (1)

AussieVamp2 (636560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14068311)

1. CEO/Board on criminal trial, same as any other cracker that has been caught
2. Sell real CDs

Re:As a Sony employee... (1)

Aussie (10167) | more than 8 years ago | (#14068837)

1. CEO/Board on criminal trial, same as any other cracker that has been caught
Seconded, If I did it, I could expect serious consequences.

Re:As a Sony employee... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14068497)

I think all these calls to arrest Howard Stringer and throw him in the cargo hold of a plane bound for an outsourced CIA torture cell in Kyrgyzistan are a bit over the top... but ultimately, it IS the responsibility of Sony executive management to show some leadership and repudiate this type of behavior at the policymaking level.

I tend to agree with the USA Today article that portrayed the BMG division as a bunch of total morons eager to sign deals with fly-by-night CD "protection" vendors without the approval or even the knowledge of Sony corporate. But the responsibility for the consequences doesn't stop with BMG. The name on the label is "Sony," and it's their corporate goodwill that's at stake.

Their decision-making is piss-poor at the strategic level, and has been for some time. Everyone who listens to music, plays games, or uses a PC will eventually suffer for it in more ways than it's possible to enumerate.

Re:As a Sony employee... (1)

twistedcain (924116) | more than 8 years ago | (#14069220)

With p2p techonology making the distribution of digital content available at almost no cost to the provider, sony sets up a their own p2p network that users can join for a small monthly subscription fee. They release all their dvd, games and hi-def content to all users on the network.

Sony changes the failing business model of pushing more useless hardware and software on people because since napster they can no longer keep fooling people into believing that they need to walk into a store to buy useless plastic discs for digital content that can just as easily be obtained from the comfort of their home.

Re:DRM (1)

Phroggy (441) | more than 8 years ago | (#14068461)

Given Sony's ethics lately, I think I can safely say that I won't be buying anything with the Sony brand name stamped on it for a long time to come,

Why do you think they do business under so many different brand names?

Re:DRM (1)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 8 years ago | (#14068557)

You do gotta remember Sony isn't 1 small company of 500 people. Really is a case of right hand doesn't know the left hand type of thing.

I Guess the Old Saying is True? (1)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067249)

If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em. ;P I'm such a kidder.

Re:I Guess the Old Saying is True? (1)

plover (150551) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067389)

Speaking of "join 'em", did you read the roster in TFA? No mention of SORNY, MAGNETBOX, or PANAPHONICS anywhere.

Re:I Guess the Old Saying is True? (1)

Tavor (845700) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067477)

" If ya can't beat 'em, join 'em. ;P I'm such a kidder." My first reaction to this article was
"If you can't beat them, waste money and buy them!"

Do I have a choice.... (4, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067251)

Decisions, decisions... Regular or extended version... Letter box or full screen... Rootkit or non-rootkit... I thought VHS vs. Beta was bad.

Blu-ray will fail.. (3, Insightful)

tomcres (925786) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067640)

Sony is like King Midas, except that everything they touch turns to shit instead of gold...

Come on, now. What has Sony done that wasn't a flop? The only thing I can think of is the compact disc. The CD did not have any real alternatives, so it was a safe bet. However, look at Beta... VHS killed it. MiniDisc? Couldn't overtake the CD. Memory stick.. this one's a real laugher.. :-) The point is, that Sony is an innovative company, you have to give them credit for that. The problem is that they aren't good at getting others to share in their vision and then they try to be the only player in the game. They overprice their merch and offer to license their tech for exorbitant fees. In the meantime, their competitors develop cheaper, more user-friendly alternatives which consumers see as a better value, and the Sony product fails. We've seen this time and again. Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD is just the same thing all over again. Blu-ray may very well be technically superior to HD-DVD, but it will be more expensive, and HD-DVD will be good enough for consumers that they won't pay the Sony tax for Blu-ray. Add to that that HD-DVD guarantees at least some possibility of making backups, which is a big step towards user friendliness. Anyone who has kids who watch DVDs knows this already!

Re:Blu-ray will fail.. (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067657)

What has Sony done that wasn't a flop?

Playstation and Playstation 2? I'm not sure about the Playstation 3 yet. That one has plenty of potential to flip flop all over the place.

Re:Blu-ray will fail.. (1)

wfberg (24378) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067999)

The only thing I can think of is the compact disc.

The CD was a collaboration with Philips (which has its share of flops, like CD-i, DCC, and pretty much all of its home/personal computer outings), and Matshushita A.K.A. Panasonic. Also, the DVD is a joint Sony/Philips standard, as is S/PDIF.

Sony's Walkman, HandyCam and PlayStation(s) were anything but a flop, though..

Re:Blu-ray will fail.. (1)

Stephen Williams (23750) | more than 8 years ago | (#14069817)

What has Sony done that wasn't a flop? The only thing I can think of is the compact disc.

The Walkman? The Playstation?

-Stephen

yikes! (1)

tomcres (925786) | more than 8 years ago | (#14069947)

before I get flamed some more.. I can feel the heat rising.. I just wanted to point out that I was referring to emerging technologies, not to new consumer products. The point was that Sony's tech has done very well where there was no viable alternative product. Ultimately, what will probably decide Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD is which one the porn industry embraces. HD-DVD will be cheaper to mass produce. I see that as being an enticement for the porn industry and the consumer. Blu-ray will probably become a niche product for techno-snobs the same way that laserdisc was.

Yeah, good luck with that. (2, Insightful)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067256)

Anyone developing a new media format that doesn't have anything to do with Sony? DVDs are nice and all, but I no longer like the fact that a small part of every DVD and DVD player sale goes to Sony.

Re:Yeah, good luck with that. (2, Informative)

HardCase (14757) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067409)

I no longer like the fact that a small part of every DVD and DVD player sale goes to Sony.

Best not buy any CD's [philips.com] either!

Re:Yeah, good luck with that. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14067675)

Associating happy kids with Intellectual Property [philips.com] . This image almost made me vomit.

Re:Yeah, good luck with that. (1)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 8 years ago | (#14075647)

Best not buy any CD's [philips.com] either!
Not a problem. I stopped buying CDs a while back.

History repeats itself (5, Interesting)

Jason1729 (561790) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067263)

Sony caused a lot of the divide between DVD-R and DVD+R. The standard should have been -R but Sony backed +R. Then Sony was the first to market with drives that could do both.

Now they're doing it all over.

Re:History repeats itself (2, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067446)

Why should it have been - over +? Most drives will do either. It's true that - works better in legacy devices, but then you can burn faster on +, so there's benefits to both. I believe in implementing both, and letting the market decide.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

Jason1729 (561790) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067759)

If not for Sony, the industry would have settled on -.

Sony made +, not because it was better but so they could say "see, our drives support both formats, they're better".

That screwed over the customer by delaying adoption of any DVDR format, kept prices high much longer since it wasn't a commodity item for a long time. Even now when you buy DVD hardware, you're paying double royalties for both formats.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

macslut (724441) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067764)

From a consumer perspective, there's *very* little technical difference between + and - DVDs in of themselves in terms of the media. One's a tiny bit faster when burning...ok, whatever...those few precious seconds aren't worth much to me. On the other hand, I've been *very* frustrated at the number of players that only support one versus the other.

I know, I should only buy a player that supports everything, but the problem comes from making discs for *other* people..."Do you want a DVD+ or - R?"..."HUH?!?!".

This is not only frustrating, but has cost me money as I've had to send *both* formats to insure compatibility.

Making matters much worse is that sometimes the compatibility is X%. The disc might read and start to play a bit, but stutter or have other problems.

Whatever extraordinary difference that could possibly exist between +R and -R, it's not even close to the hassle, cost, time and confusion.

As for HD-DVD versus BD, I'm inclined to tell both camps to go to hell. The DRM on both are about as bad as Divx was. I'm not sure the benefits will outweigh the restrictions.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083966)

In my experience pretty much anything that will play a DVD+R will play a -R. When I want compatibility, I always go -R. +R, on the other hand, is more convenient for people who like to noodle around with video editing, because they can [theoretically] make changes without rewriting the whole thing.

Re:History repeats itself (1)

krunk4ever (856261) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067752)

I've always been thinking, since we already have DVD drives that can play DVD+R, DVD-R, the RW versions of those, CD-R, CD-RW, what's the problem of adding 2 addition supports to these drives. Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are going to be the same sized discs as the current CD/DVDs are. The problem they had with BETA and VHS was the fact that they were 2 incompatible units. You could not stick one in the other. If they were the same size, I'm pretty sure a unit with both BETA and VHS heads would've been extremely popular and then we can let the market decide which one they like better.

Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD (2, Insightful)

SpinJaunt (847897) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067303)

hmmm.. didn't RTFA.. maybe a cheap, easy way to get out of the Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD mess??

Re:Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14067372)

Actually, given the technologies differ more than any other set of competing digital disc formats seen previously, it would likely involve two separate, expensive readers built in to the device. Which does not mean cheap.

-ShadowRanger

No thanks.. (0, Redundant)

ardchoille (912260) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067362)

..I don't don't need a rootkit, but thanks for the info :)

$sys$sony (0, Troll)

PagosaSam (884523) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067432)

$sys$I $sys$dont $sys$think $sys$so!

Strange (2, Insightful)

GotenXiao (863190) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067472)

...that Microsoft are talking about adding a layer of complete vendor control and lock in to modern PCs, but Sony does one thing and suddenly everyone is up in arms about them.

Somehow I doubt the top people at Sony had anything to do with the rootkit debacle. I find it more likely it was someone in Sony BMG being told to protect Sony's interests and they took it a step too far. That, or it was a rogue manager in Sony.

Re:Strange (1)

Pasukun (932282) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067611)

"that Microsoft are talking about adding a layer of complete vendor control and lock in to modern PCs, but Sony does one thing and suddenly everyone is up in arms about them."

At least Microsoft did not do those things behind your back. That is why it is so upsetting what Sony did.

"Somehow I doubt the top people at Sony had anything to do with the rootkit debacle. I find it more likely it was someone in Sony BMG being told to protect Sony's interests and they took it a step too far. That, or it was a rogue manager in Sony."

What kind of assumption crap is that?
Even if it is true, does that make things okay?
Even if it is true, Sony should be still hold responsible for lack of management!

Re:Strange (1)

GotenXiao (863190) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067718)

Case study.

A programmer in Microsoft codes in a hole to Windows. It escapes all checking processes.

It lets said programmer download all your credit card information and passwords, etc etc.

Bad management? How are you going to be able to manage people at such a level and still maintain productivity?

In all likelihood, it was some titwank at Sony BMG, *NOT* Sony, who decided on the rootkit. To the best of my knowledge, Sony BMG and Sony are actually two separate companies with separate org structures.

Re:Strange (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14067831)

This wasn't a case of someone sneeking something on to the CDs that escaped the knowledge of management.

Paying a company for the software had to be a decision made by the managment. It is managments job to know what they are buying. They had to know that they were getting DRM software that was virtually undetectable. That was good enough for them, they didn't care about any other things that could be done with said software.

Now this decision might not go all of the way to the top of Sony, and maybe not even tot he top of the Sony BMG tree, but it is still the management's job along the way to make sure the company is being productive, profitable while not doing anything detrimental to their customer base.

Re:Strange (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14067946)

If that happens, MS will get sued and the bad PR will cost them in many ways, as it should. What's the point of paying premium for products from reputable vendors? That "some titwank" is a "titwank" representing SONY-BMG. And SONY is paying and will pay for its association - it owns 50% stake in the venture and appoints its president.

Re:Strange (1)

TaggartAleslayer (840739) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067820)

Don't you see? All of Sony is run by one man intent on abusing your trust. It's not actually several dozen companies with different management structures and operational objectives and standards. [sony.net] Nooooo... Of course it isn't... It's one little guy. He lives at Sony HQ. Follow the path there and you can't miss him. He's behind the curtain with the big head floating over it.

Re:Strange (1)

wdwillis (915845) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067962)

the thing is, as universal as all computer type people think the microsoft evil empire is, it really isn't. there are still plenty of people who could care less about whatever strange things microsoft is doing to computers, and the people who run them. what it boils down to is that even though microsoft has a much higher cash value, sony has an obvious, and strong presence in just about every home in america. even the ones of people who don't kno how to boot up a computer.

Re:Strange (1)

Hosiah (849792) | more than 8 years ago | (#14070142)

but Sony does one thing and suddenly everyone is up in arms about them.

Granted, Sony hasn't established themselves as much of an evil overlord in the past. It's just that when they decided to do a boffo maneuver, they did it in such a big way all at once. To put a malicious binary program on an audio CD is a step too far. To have their first-offered fix hose things up even worse is beyond that. To say it infected hundreds of thousands of computers (including the Department of Defense!!!) puts it on a level with the greatest worms in history, albeit as a different kind of program, of course. The fact that numerous viruses have already been found that exploit the backdoor left open by the rootkit makes it scandalous. To think they did this to protect (amongst others) a Celine Dion album makes it hysterically funny.

I find it more likely it was someone in Sony BMG being told to protect Sony's interests and they took it a step too far. That, or it was a rogue manager in Sony.

I've often thought the same thing. Perhaps even a lone rogue programmer thought he'd throw a BIG scoop of organic fertilizer into the ventilation system. It's hard to picture the decision to do this taking place on a top executive level without hearing a nearby lawyer clearing his throat and saying, "Uh, we need to talk..."

Man, whatever happened to recording songs off the radio to cassette? I *still* have that capacity on my stereo.

Blu ray and Rootkit (2, Interesting)

mike_955 (932286) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067827)

Now since Sony has a rootkit on cds. How far are they going to go with the blu ray technology? Personally I am scared now and it makes me even more scared to buy a Sony product. Now I am also more scared of DRM. Microsoft had it right when they picked HD-DVD. Hopefully this will tip the scales towards HD-DVD.

Re:Blu ray and Rootkit (1)

pl1ght (836951) | more than 8 years ago | (#14070105)

Wow you are a fucking paranoid mother fucker. Get over it man. Jesus christ. Who the fuck plays a CD On a computer anyway. FUcking nerds

SONY is afraid (0, Offtopic)

MOGua (750520) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067839)

SONY isn't as confident as it was 5 years ago. (its stock price fell 70% in the last 5 years) Before it was one proprietary format after another...now it is playing it safe by investing the other guy's technology.

The dirty bastards. (1)

ZeroZen (136166) | more than 8 years ago | (#14067974)

Can anyone see where this is going?

1. Make 2 incompatable formats
2. Force people to buy equipment for both formats, so they can use whatever format they want
3. Sell both formats and their hardware, thereby increasing profits.

The dirty bastards.

I will buy Sony IF.... (2, Interesting)

canuck57 (662392) | more than 8 years ago | (#14068003)

I will only buy a Sony product if it comes with a written guarantee of NO DRM, no root kit, no surprises and they can say this in less that 50 readable English words. I am not going to read line 1254 a EULA in 1/32nd of inch print on a common product like a PC, wireless card, USB (any), camera, CD, DVD, home video camera, HD-DVD, DVD player, cell phone, TV or anything for find out about rootkit privileges for the vendor.

Yes, most if not all of the above devices and more can infect your computer.

Maybe it is time to have an organization that will certify a product to be DRM rootkit free.

NEC May Sell Blu-Ray DVDs! (1)

pomo monster (873962) | more than 8 years ago | (#14068027)

Surely that's a shocker of equal importance, and relevance, to "Sony May Sell HD-DVDs"? So why emphasize the latter?

Spin, spin, spin.

Who cares? (0, Troll)

Stupor Man (926173) | more than 8 years ago | (#14068106)

Everyone I know wouldn't buy one. Sony? You have GOT to be kidding me.

New /. chew toy (1)

GeeksHaveFeelings (926979) | more than 8 years ago | (#14068181)

So Sony is the new Microsoft now? I, for one, welcome our new /. corporate chew toy.

hahaha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14068566)

doesn't it occur to you that Sony is trying to BREAK the allegiance between HD by buying NEC?
either way, BR-ROM is way better....

In Other News (0, Offtopic)

merc (115854) | more than 8 years ago | (#14068674)

SCO announces the release of ScoLinux 2.7, buy now before the the post-Thanksgiving shopping spree begins.

Dammit... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14069066)

How fucking long will it take until we can see an article about something Sony does without a bunch of fucking morons mentioning the DRM/rootkit?

The only thing certain in incompatibility (1)

Thecarpe (697076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081540)

Sony's bent towards the proverbial proprietary turd will ensure that whatever they sell, you'll need three special interfaces (all Sony) to view / hear / experience whatever media you have. Universality to Sony just means that they think the universe revolves around them.
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