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Dell Finally Goes for AMD

Hemos posted more than 8 years ago | from the had-to-happen-eventually dept.

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this great guy writes "You read it correctly. It had to happen one day. According to Forbes 'Dell Inc has informed its Taiwan contract makers of plans to develop devices based on Advanced Micro Devices Inc's microprocessors, and these suppliers are awaiting orders for global shipment, the Economic Daily News reported, citing industry sources.'"

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And for Celerons disguised as P4. (0, Offtopic)

arose (644256) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080881)

Go Dell!

Re:And for Celerons disguised as P4. (4, Insightful)

Spacejock (727523) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081098)

I look around my home and workplace and all I see these days is AMD. I'm responsible for purchasing in both places (and also advise many others - family, friends, school), and while 2 or 3 years ago I would always suggest intel now it's AMD for just about everything. (They do say free advice is worth what you pay for it, but I research their needs as carefully as I research my own.)
The Athlon64 chip with cool and quiet swung it for me. Very hot climate, struggling aircon and red-hot cpu do not make for a happy pc - or user.

Next story: Remarked Semprons Sold As Athlons (5, Funny)

missing_myself (857407) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080884)

Dell-inux ready for mass market

Nothing but good... (3, Insightful)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080885)

With the AMD lawsuit against Intel (which I think is stupid, the main reason AMD doesn't sell well is crappy marketing), Intel will have a hard time retaliating against Dell.
More lower priced systems.
I really want one of those XPS systems with a nice AMD processor...

Re:Nothing but good... (4, Interesting)

Skye16 (685048) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080953)

Wait. So, you're saying the law suit is keeping intel from retailiating against dell, but that it's still stupid?

This is exactly what the law suit was intended to do. I couldn't disagree more with your assessment concerning the validity of the suit.

Re:Nothing but good... (5, Insightful)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080997)

Ditto that.

If the lawsuit has managed to crack open Dell to using AMD processors because Intel has to mind its manners with a lawsuit on the horizon then even if the lawsuit doesn't procede it's done what it needed to do: level the playing field.

It's true that AMD marketting hasn't been the best, but it's also true that Intel marketting has convinced the majority of casual users that more GHZ = more performance always. And all questions of marketing aside, I think AMD has a real case.

-stormin

Re:Nothing but good... (3, Insightful)

xouumalperxe (815707) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081111)

Er, I think he means that any retaliation (fair or not) would be seen in the light of the lawsuit, independently of its merits. Which is a bad thing.

IF the courts decide in favor of AMD, then sure. Until then, this is something on trial, and shouldn't be acted upon by the authorities -- even if we'd like them to!

Re:Nothing but good... (0, Flamebait)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081150)

Bingo... I don't know how much more clear I could have been.

Perhaps the AMD fanboism is strong around here...

Re:Nothing but good... (0, Redundant)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081221)

AMD sued because they couldn't market their product.

No other reason.

We all know AMD has superior technology and will continue to do so until well into 2006, but the REAL reason for the lack of sales is nothing more than a terrible marketing program.

Re:Nothing but good... (1)

Markus_UW (892365) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081237)

And the extreme antitrust violations by Intel.

Re:Nothing but good... (1)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081274)

So says AMD.

Re:Nothing but good... (2, Informative)

alienw (585907) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081037)

the main reason AMD doesn't sell well is crappy marketing

Or perhaps because Dell doesn't offer AMD? You do realize that Dell has by far the largest market share?

Re:Nothing but good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14081110)

This will be cool.

Re:Nothing but good... (4, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081289)

" With the AMD lawsuit against Intel (which I think is stupid, the main reason AMD doesn't sell well is crappy marketing),"
That has got to be the strangest yet true statement I have ever heard in a long time. Intel's CPUs are slower, cost more, and use more power than AMDs yet they sell more. Does anyone find the power of marketing scary?

Cheaper? (1)

fudg3tunn3l (883722) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080886)

I wonder if Dell's prices will drop?

Re:Cheaper? (3, Insightful)

rosewood (99925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081070)

Dell's prices are pretty damn low. Catch the right deal and you get an Intel CPU and the rest of the computer for $50 more. (Well, at least it was at one point).

Anyways, anyone who builds their own boxes knows that AMD is cheaper then Intel. I hope this price difference carries over to the full systems Dell will offer.

Quite frankly, I don't give a shit if it is cheaper or not. I have to order from Dell all of the fucking time and I am giddy about the prospect of being able to go back to AMD only ordering. Why anyone wouldn't go with something that is faster and cheaper is beyond me.

Real Men Use AMD (5, Funny)

gsonic (885510) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080888)

It's not the GHZ speed, it's how you use it.

Re:Real Men Use AMD (5, Funny)

paranode (671698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081102)

Exactly. It's not the speed of the clock, it's the suction of the instruction.

Re:Real Men Use AMD (4, Funny)

Oestergaard (3005) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081119)

It's the width, not the length, that matters ;)

(Look where Intel got with their long pipelines, and see where good fat interconnects and amd64 took AMD)

price/performance (0)

Nomihn0 (739701) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080890)

AMD let me be the first to to say "good move." But is this just a short-term success or is AMD a steady horse?

Re:price/performance (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14080961)

is AMD a steady horse?

Is that buzztalk for "I'm a stupid fuck and would like to know more about AMD"?

Re:price/performance (2, Interesting)

SFalcon (809084) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081131)

Short-term success? AMD's been a publicly traded company for over 30 years. Intel may be a giant, but AMD's not going anywhere.

AMD History [amd.com]

Dell rumor... (5, Informative)

LaTechTech (752269) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080892)

Unless... (1, Insightful)

JamesTRexx (675890) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080919)

...Dell is pulling an Apple and deny everything until they launch the new AMD line of servers.

AMD processors are already available as parts on the Dell site apparently.

Re:Dell rumor... (4, Insightful)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080932)

All they've said is "We do not comment on rumors and speculation". After years of saying "Intel only!!!", it sounds like there may be a change in attitude.

Reminds me a bit of the White Houses change from "Rove and Libby had absolutly nothing to do with the CIA leak case!" to "We don't comment on ongoing investigations". Sometimes its whats not said that means the most.

Re:Dell rumor... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14081088)

If they don't comment on rumours why bothering to make a comment at all concerning this? Could it be their lil way of hinting?

Double checking calendar (4, Funny)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080898)

It's not April 1st is it?

Re:Double checking calendar (1)

paranode (671698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081130)

No, but word has it that Dell is secretly devoting resources to developing Duke Nukem Forever.

This dude is finally gonna get a Dell! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14080904)

All these years, I've been waiting for Dell to make an AMD box. Let's see if they do it well.... in the past, I have looked at Dells but passed them up for better-performing AMD machines I built by hand. I bought Dells at work, but it wasn't good enough for me to personally own one.

AC

Are we sure its really AMD... (4, Funny)

MosesJones (55544) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080913)


And not just Rebadged Intel Chips? [slashdot.org] I mean its quite a coincidence that these stories appear just after each other on Slashdot... a sure sign of an international conspiracy surely!

5, Interesting? (2, Informative)

4r0g (467711) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081066)

Moderators: The parent is meant to be funny and not even shooting for a "5, Interesting". Look at the linked story, it's the one about selling celerons as P4s. Dell would probably not benefit from selling fake P4 processors in the current situation.

Re:Are we sure its really AMD... (1)

TangoCharlie (113383) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081100)

No, it's the other way round.

Dell are going to rebadge AMD Sempr0n chips and pass them off
as Intel P4's. The only problem is that the AMD chips will
have better performance. Duh!

Re:Are we sure its really AMD... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14081296)

Dell are going to rebadge AMD Sempr0n chips and pass them off
as Intel P4's. The only problem is that the AMD chips will
have better performance. Duh!


That's not a problem. They'll still be cheaper, which is the important bit.

How long (3, Insightful)

squoozer (730327) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080915)

until AMD starts to become / feel like an evil giant corp then. It seems to happen to every company soon after it gets it's, or at least a, big break. It's even starting to happen to Google. The company starts off with high minded ideals grows a bit on teh back of its initially supportes then suddenly starts wanting to own everything. I suppose it's just the lure of money but it's a shame it happens. Hope it doesn't happen to AMD because my view of them, and I may well be totally wrong, is a bunch of hard working people that started off fighting a battle that everyone thought they would lose in 10 minutes flat. But through determination and quality products they have succeded in making something of themselves. Everyone loves the under-dog :o)

Re:How long (1)

RobinTucker (883381) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080943)

Thats because the larger the company becomes, the greedier the shareholders, bankers and financial consultants are. It's called the slimey pole. If you want to be successful, you eventually have to climb it.

Re:How long (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14081000)

Or get shafted by it...

Re:How long (5, Insightful)

zenneth (767572) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081032)

AMD isn't exactly a garage-based company. They've had several "big breaks" already, and I can remember seeing 486 AMDs running toe-to-toe with 486 Intels. This is just another push, but we'll see if it continues, and whether it even turns out to be true. Personally, I have been building AMD machines almost exclusively for the last 10 years. I moved from AMD to Intel when the Celeron 300a made its debut, but then the Athlon pulled me back less than a year later. I'm not sure where this will take AMD, but Dell using their processors to make some high-end gaming rigs would be nice... except for the fact that they're pretty limited regarding BIOS and other system tweaks. That is the one area Dell could really make some adjustments... and the one reason I don't recommend anyone buy from a major distributor of manufactured PCs.

Re:How long (1)

squoozer (730327) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081095)

I hear what you are saying but it would, IMHO, be unwise to underestimate the importance of this for AMD. Perhaps it was just a physological barrier but it is saying to the world "yes AMD in now mature enough for everyone". Hopefully this will happen with Linux one day as well.

The last Intel machine I owned was a 386.

Re:How long (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14081209)

Yeah because *you* know exactly what all those magic BIOS buttons do.

You guys that say that stuff are soooo ignorant it is unbelievable. Hiding those settings is a good idea because I'd bet $1000 that you have no clue what any of it means. The 25 people out there that actually do know and publish how-to's that idiots use to "tweak" their PeeCee wrote those things based on their setup not yours. I have seen many of these whitebox bios tweaks crash boxes randomly that later get blamed on windows; obviously when it happens to linux it's never mentioned. And even some of the folks that do understand what the actual meaning is of some of these buttons have no access to the SI (Signal Integrity) data to determine if the tweak is going to work or not.

Quit touching buttons that you don't understand!

The Dell BIOS are awesome for doing all this magical stuff for you. To protect *you* the user. Appreciate simplicity when it makes sense.

Re:How long (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14081104)

Your last comment is the reality and sad truth of things. Nobody started out a winner. Bill Gates, Google, the United States, etc. However, once you are number 1 all of a sudden you are hated. It could be that all of these and others were/are corrupted by power. But, I think it's also just as likely as these companies and government are the same as what they started out as, but people tend to be jealous and envious creatures. Maybe they are hated simply because they are. I predict that no matter how AMD chooses to practice business, they will be hated simply for being number 1 (should they ever achieve that goal). Simply because the small-minded masses can't seem to comprehend success without corruption. If you are rich, you had to get that way on the backs of those who aren't. You MUST be corrupt, because only the corrupt can get rich. If only people were as loyal to decent companies and governments as their sports teams...

Re:How long (1)

paranode (671698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081141)

Well as soon as they are as evil as Intel we can all root for Cyrix. Then we'll be cool again.

personalities (1)

tomcres (925786) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081175)

besides, Jerry Sanders is a lot more likable than Gordon Moore. I mean, what would you rather give your kid-- a plush Jerry Sanders doll or a plush Gordon Moore? :-)

Re:How long (1)

bcattwoo (737354) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081273)

How long until AMD starts to become / feel like an evil giant corp then......Everyone loves the under-dog :o)

That's just it, everyone loves the underdog, especially when they sell a somewhat better product at somewhat better prices. As far as I can see that is really their only redeeming quality. When trying to take on a giant like Intel, of course they are going to have to sell a more cost effective product to have any chance at all of surviving. Beyond not trying to strong arm (or bribe) any exclusive supplier deals with vendors, which they probably have not been in a position to do anyway, are there any examples of them being "non-evil" besides providing a good, cheap product?

Re:How long (2, Insightful)

n00tz (926304) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081276)

until AMD starts to become / feel like an evil giant corp
they are THE alternative to Intel. They've already become one of those "giant corps"
I may well be totally wrong, is a bunch of hard working people that started off fighting a battle that everyone thought they would lose in 10 minutes flat. But through determination and quality products they have succeded in making something of themselves. Everyone loves the under-dog :o)
Maybe it's just me, but that is exactly how I see Google. I fully accept that I may be a minority of that view. I'd like to kick myself for not investing in stock much much earlier.

I've read through google-watch and to be honest I think they are trolling for attention from a company like google. The biggest issue is the fact that google is soaking up all this information and some of you conspiracy theorists out there are worried about all that implied power it gives them. We need to be able to trust someone, and just because they have tracking cookies that don't expire until 2038 does not mean they have ill-intentions for such information. Their research is arguably the best psycho-sociological data we can get.

Think of it this way, if it gets leaked that they are abusing their power (and it would get leaked with as many employees and exposure they have) people would drop the use of Google, and possibly internetworking, quicker than a hot iron. Where would they be able to profit from that? Secondly, we are required to pay ICANN for ALL of our domain names, why do we trust them over a service that is fairly voluntary such as google.

The playboy interview [kottke.org] gives insight to what the top guys at Google are really intending.

weather today (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14080916)

Snow in Hell.

Re:weather today (1)

Orgazmus (761208) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081035)

And flying pigs. Lots of them

mmm.. flying bacon

intel... (4, Interesting)

CDPatten (907182) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080920)

This is really only happening because Intel has dropped the ball so bad with server processors. Anyone know why Intel, with all their resources, didn't have a decent x64, multi-core product before AMD? Never mind one that uses fewer watts.

It's surprising, but really should give hope to the Linux crew. This is a testament that in our society the underdog can come up and take a bite out of the front runner.... regardless of their fortunes. look out ms.

Re:intel... (5, Insightful)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080957)

Anyone know why Intel, with all their resources, didn't have a decent x64, multi-core product before AMD? Never mind one that uses fewer watts.

Because Intel invested all it's brainpower into the overpriced Itanic whose incompatibility with x86-32 made every single potential buyer back from, as few people are interrested in a platform with no OS and barely a handful of apps not including your own legacy apps.

Re:intel... (1)

thsths (31372) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081028)

> overpriced Itanic whose incompatibility with x86-32 made every single potential buyer back from

It might also be the lack of performance. The current version of the Itanium always sucks compared to Xeon or Opteron, but the next version is supposed to blow away the competition...

With a pinch of salt (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14080921)

As long as only Forbes are saying it, I would take it with a large pinch of salt. I've seen enough of their reports written by/for SCO to know they can't be relied on to check their facts.

let me know (0)

lubricated (49106) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080923)

oohh a new dell dual core laptop. That would be sweet.

No such luck (5, Informative)

magicchex (898936) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080927)

Dell Dismisses Rumors [techwhack.com] .

Dell has clarified that any rumors of it planning to manufacture a Dell PC based on AMD processors are false. Market has reported that the company had notified Taiwanese PC contract manufacturers to ready production lines to produce Dell PC systems using microprocessors made by Advanced Micro Devices Inc. the statement from the company now nullifies these rumors.

Taiwanese companies like Hon Hai Precision Industry Co. Ltd. and Quanta Computer Inc. were mentioned in the rumor reports. Some of these Taiwanese companies are the biggest outsourced suppliers for Dell and they are usually the first one to see some of the newer products from the tech giant.

Dell has a special business relationship with Intel, which the market analysts claim gets them huge discounts. This is also said to be the reason why Dell does not build PC products using AMD processors despite high demands for them. However, the rumors of an AMD powered Dell became stronger after Dell started selling AMD processors on their web stores sometime back.

Re:No such luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14081026)

Kind of like Ford had a special relationship with Firestone?

Re:No such luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14081176)

Hey Dude, you're getting a Hon Hai!

Forbes on one side, "techwack" on another (1)

^BR (37824) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081309)

Who to believe?

And don't you think a real denial would have the name of a press contact attached?

Short sell Intel, the sacred cow just gor slaughtered.

Hurray! (0, Redundant)

jigjigga (903943) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080934)

Finally! woohoo!

Loyalty (1, Troll)

adam.skinner (721432) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080938)

Dell has been in bed with Intel for a long time. Their offering standalone AMD CPUs was simply to stave off legal action.

What matters is the price point here. We don't buy AMD because they're "better" than Intel - a clock is a clock. They're no more or less stable, no better supported. We buy them because they're cheaper.

Dell is in the position to take that benefit away from AMD. If they're still loyal to Intel, they'll be pricing their AMD machines on par, or even higher, than their Intel counter parts, and pocketing the change.

Re:Loyalty (5, Insightful)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080996)

What matters is the price point here. We don't buy AMD because they're "better" than Intel - a clock is a clock. They're no more or less stable, no better supported. We buy them because they're cheaper.

Duh, no, people DO buy AMD because it's "better". Only Intel's marketting droids and retarded monkeys used to think that "a clock is a clock". AMD chips have been outperforming Intel's for years now, clock for clock (shall I remind you that top of the line P4 reach 4GHz and still get their balls busted by Athlon64 who have yet to reach 3GHz out of the box?)

People buy AMD because they feature

  • Better overall performances per $
  • Much better performance per watt
  • A "true" dual core in the case of AthlonX2 and dual core Opterons
  • Used to be the only chips handling both 32 and 64-bit (and managed that as while still beating the crap of the purely 32-bit P4 in 32-bit apps)

Last thing about the performance/clock thing: Pentium-M beat the living shit out of P4 clock for clock 95% of the time.

Shame Intel didn't work on scaling them to high frequencies, 2.5GHz-ish desktop Pentium-M would at least put some kind of fight against Athlon64 chips.

Re:Loyalty (4, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081193)

Shame Intel didn't work on scaling them to high frequencies, 2.5GHz-ish desktop Pentium-M would at least put some kind of fight against Athlon64 chips.

Desktop sales are dropping. Laptop sales are growing. The two lines on the graph are crossing right about now. Next year, laptop sales are projected to outnumber desktop sales, and keep growing. I think Intel are exactly right to bet on the laptop market. AMD are mainly targetting the supercomputer, server, and workstation markets. These are low-volume, high-margin areas, and are ideally suited to a company with a good R&D team (lots of ex-Alpha people) and a lower volume production capacity.

Re:Loyalty (0, Redundant)

konquererz (915002) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081255)

Every one knows that high powered gaming runs better on AMD due to the old floating point. But to the average user, price is he only advantage. I dont do much gaming, I have both intel and amd machines. Doing the same things like ripping dvd's, they are equal in performance. The market wont see a performance boost from average users, and the majority of games, due to awesome graphics cards, dont see a performance boost on most games. Testing and baselining usually show amd out performing intel, but not to a drastic degree. Performance testing with actual users side by side is often not noticable by the users. Amazingly, AMD users always say their amd processes much better than their intels used to. Die hard intel people say the same thing. Preference bias runs deep and every amd person will say im crazy and every intel person will say im crazy. True performance to the user has shown nearly equal until you get to really high end processing like CAD and some upper tier games. But with games, the processors just arent as important as graphics cards which offload so much from the processors these days.

Re:Loyalty (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081310)

AMD chips have been outperforming Intel's for years now, clock for clock [...]

People who insist on measuring "clock for clock" are just as stupid (possibly even more so) as those who say "higher clock speed -> faster".

Re:Loyalty (4, Insightful)

Shoeler (180797) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081023)

We don't buy AMD because they're "better" than Intel - a clock is a clock. They're no more or less stable, no better supported. We buy them because they're cheaper.

Wrong - you're a victim to Intel's marteting. Take, for example, the highest-end Athlon single core, compared to the highest-end Intel single core - the FX-57 vs the EE 3.73Ghz. The FX-57 runs at 2.8Ghz. The EE at 3.73 Ghz - the FX-57 running some 25% slower - in pure clock speed. Let's say they have identical performance (they don't) - then the AMD would perform better - significantly so - per "clock" as you say. Based on results from spec.org - the FX-57 runs between 1929 and 1970 for SPECint2000 scores and between 1894 and 2261 in SPECfp2000 (the higher of the SPECfp score is on a 64-bit linux distro with a high-end compiler - the low-end on a Windows XP system, presumably 32-bit). The Intel EE gets 1796 on SPECint2000 (xp SP2) and 2016 on SPECfp2000 (xp SP2). So the AMD beats it by 10% in SPECint2000 (using the average of the FX-57's scores) and gets beat on the Intel-preferred platform by 10%. I call it a draw in terms of performance and the AMD does it with a 50% slower clock.

Unless you mean some other clock. :)

Re:Loyalty (1, Informative)

alienw (585907) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081086)

We don't buy AMD because they're "better" than Intel - a clock is a clock

So, if you make a 286 and clock it at 10GHz, do you think performance will be the same as a 4GHz Pentium 4? Take a processor architecture class or something before spewing garbage like that.

Re:Loyalty (1)

ichigo 2.0 (900288) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081206)

We buy them because they're cheaper.

They used to be, but with dualcores the roles have reversed.

In other news (5, Funny)

kaiwai (765866) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080939)

Hell has just frozen over; on the spot is FOX News correspondance, and close friend of Satan, Karl Rove...

"So Satan, it appears that hell has frozen over.."

"NO, thats just a vicious rumour spread by enemies of the US, sorry, Hell.....things are just getting ready for Christmas.....this snow is just.....decorations.....*excellent*"

"Really?!"

"Yes really, so piss off...I"m trying to order my Dell AMD machine...."

Re:In other news (1)

Mathiasdm (803983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081001)

Seems like he's [welovethei...nister.com] still around.

Re:In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14081109)

Trying stand-up comedy? Simon Cowell would sooo tear you and your lame jokes apart.

Oh boy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14080944)

Apple sure can pick 'em.

Debateable point? (3, Interesting)

megla (859600) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080949)

The Register [channelregister.co.uk] are also carrying the story, and claiming that products across the range (Laptop/Desktop/Server) are being sourced.
To me, this makes little sense. I think we can all agree that the Pentium-M is superior for laptops, so there is little point in Dell producing AMD based laptops, especially given the AMD ones will be more expensive once subsidies from Intel are accounted for.
Desktops are a similar story - there AMD has the superior processor, but it's still going to wind up more expensive thanks to Intel.
Servers are the only market where this seems to be a good move, as it will allow Dell to flog dual-core server rigs which Intel are currently unable to provide.
Unless I'm mising something of course...

Re:Debateable point? (1, Flamebait)

demondawn (840015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081005)

I think the thing you're missing is that The Register ia anything but a viable news source.

Must be renegotiation time w/Intel again (5, Insightful)

Ritz_Just_Ritz (883997) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080955)

It seems whenever Dell needs more price concessions from Intel, they just have to dangle the possibility out there that they could start offering AMD-powered systems. I suspect after a few quick phone calls, Dell will get cheaper processors and this "rumour" will be relegated to the dustbin (again). Sigh...

It didn't really have to happen (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14080958)

Dell are about low inventory and overheads. While some people didn't buy Dells because they wanted AMD chips, I doubt the number of people buying AMDs from Dell will offset the immense cost of running a much larger warehousing and manufacturing operation due to incompatibilities between part lines.
 
I'd assume that because of this fact, AMD will most likely only appear in servers where Intel can't deliver, because if they go down to the desktop level, and there's no product differentiation, Dell will most likely find themselves in the same position as HP, who I don't buy from simply because I don't have the time to fathom the differences between 47 desktop models, 37 laptops, 53 laser printers and 73 inkjets with varying specs.
 
Dell won out for me because they kept it simple and focused, I hope they still do that, rather than end up fighting AMD vs. Intel between their own products as others do.

Re:It didn't really have to happen (1)

fragged one (632414) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081243)

difference in part lines? warehousing?

dell doesn't own any warehouses for parts. the trucks line up to the manufacturing plants, and they literally take the parts they need off the trucks as they need them.

it wouldn't take much, maybe a day or two, to convert a couple of intel assembly lines into amd assembly lines...

i hope the rumors are true. i have always stayed away from dell simply because they don't offer amd solutions, as i am a very loyal amd customer. however, lately i have been looking for a laptop, and and i'm afraid that i may have to buy one from hp since they do offer amd laptops.

What's changed? (2, Insightful)

cffrost (885375) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080964)

Has Intel now promised Dell that they won't suffer punitive pricing for selling non-Intel machines?

Must be negotiating with Intel again... (5, Insightful)

PhiltheeG (688063) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080978)

Are they shopping for a another price break from Intel for staying with a single vendor?

Out of the fire (4, Funny)

Lucractius (649116) | more than 8 years ago | (#14080990)

I guess dell just wanted out of the space heater buisness.

Re:Out of the fire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14081180)

ba-zing!

Even less $$? (1)

TPJ-Basin (763596) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081006)

Does this mean they'll be even cheaper? *smilie* *winky*

Dell using AMD, Apple using Intel (2, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081008)

Is this a sign of the end of the world? Or just one of the natural processors of life?

Who Cares? (-1, Flamebait)

repruhsent (672799) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081029)

My Pentium 4 beats the pants off of every AMD system I've ever seen. AMD would have no trouble moving CPUs if they didn't make such substandard hardware; Intel clearly beats them in every benchmark I've ever seen.

INTC stock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14081040)

Sell sell sell!

I suppose that D^H Hell has finally frozen over... (1)

cnelzie (451984) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081045)

What's next? Bill Gates professes a manly love for Linux and announces DirectX, Windows Media Player, Microsoft Office and Exchange Server for Linux?

Re:I suppose that D^H Hell has finally frozen over (1)

eatmywake (858118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081250)

In a further development "Bill Gates professes a manly love for Linux and denounces DirectX, Windows Media Player, Microsoft Office and Exchange Server."

Re:I suppose that D^H Hell has finally frozen over (1)

Markus_UW (892365) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081269)

Wow, the mere thought of that gave me a stiffy...

I wonder if the sales losses are mounting? (5, Interesting)

d60b9y (692396) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081055)

Let's assume for an instant that the story is correct.

It could be that Dell have started noticing that they're losing out on contracts because of the heat that their Intel based servers are kicking out. I know of several contracts (even in my limited circle of knowledge) where the Dell submision appeared to give the most bang-per-buck, but didn't get the contract when the cost of the extra air-con was included in the total cost of ownership.

Air-con is a non-negligible expense in any half-way serious machine room.

Best in class? (3, Insightful)

LaughingCoder (914424) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081071)

It seems to me this *would* be a smart move. Clearly there are areas where AMD is superior (servers, gaming rigs, multicore high end workstations) and areas where Intel is superior (laptops, mid-range to low-end desktops, content-encoding workstations). The only reason *not* to do something like this is if Intel gives Dell significant financial incentives (or dis-incentives) ... which I would certainly not rule out.

Dell Denies Rumor (4, Informative)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081074)

http://news.techwhack.com/2510/211135-dell-denies- possibilities-of-an-amd-based-pc/ [techwhack.com]

Dell has clarified that any rumors of it planning to manufacture a Dell PC based on AMD processors are false. Market has reported that the company had notified Taiwanese PC contract manufacturers to ready production lines to produce Dell PC systems using microprocessors made by Advanced Micro Devices Inc. the statement from the company now nullifies these rumors.

Taiwanese companies like Hon Hai Precision Industry Co. Ltd. and Quanta Computer Inc. were mentioned in the rumor reports. Some of these Taiwanese companies are the biggest outsourced suppliers for Dell and they are usually the first one to see some of the newer products from the tech giant.

Dell has a special business relationship with Intel, which the market analysts claim gets them huge discounts. This is also said to be the reason why Dell does not build PC products using AMD processors despite high demands for them. However, the rumors of an AMD powered Dell became stronger after Dell started selling AMD processors on their web stores sometime back.

)this was mentioned a few posts up but noone seemed to catch it)

-everphilski-

Re:Dell Denies Rumor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14081217)

Shesh, now not just the editors allow dupes, but you even admit duping!

PowerPC (-1, Redundant)

pr0nbot (313417) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081075)

I read on a rumour site that they're going to switch the whole lineup to PowerPC.

Re:PowerPC (1)

tomcres (925786) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081236)

I read on a rumour site that they're going to switch the whole lineup to PowerPC

Yes, and Dell will also rename their MP3 player "iPod," and Apple will begin calling theirs "Digital Jukebox," thus completing the role reversal.

Watch the Stock ticker (0, Redundant)

cha0t1c (752261) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081080)

The surefire indicater. Keep an eye on the ticker in the coming weeks, folks. $$$$ talks...., Watch where the money goes.

I wonder if this does have some degree of merit... (1, Interesting)

8127972 (73495) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081092)

.... As Dell recently missed their forcasts with Wall Street and their stock took a pounding as a result. They're going to need a new stream of revenue to keep their shareholders happy. Going AMD *MAY* be the best way to do that (assuming the rumor is true).

dell needs to help themselves and help us (1)

insomniac8400 (590226) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081112)

If dell starts to sells amd, intel will not be able to jack up the price of their chips to dell, because a higher price would only result in more people buying amd. The only outcome that probably would happen is there would be a price war between amd and intel the likes of we have never seen before. But no matter what happens, prices would not rise at all. Plus if dell made a 700m with an amd 64bit chip I would pick one up on the spot.

Intel (1)

certel (849946) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081159)

Of course it had to happen sometime, and unfortunately for Intel, this is a big happen. It's great to see AMD's impact on the market.

More CPUs available for Apple (-1)

jasenj1 (575309) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081170)

Good. Dell using AMD will free up some of the Intel CPU supply for Apple. Apple has a history of demanding more CPUs than their suppliers can provide. This move will help Intel provide the demand Apple will soon be generating.

- Jasen.

P.S. Oh, it was just a rumor? And it's been denied already? What site am I reading? "Rumors for nerds. Stuff that won't matter in 20 minutes after all those involved deny it."

Re:More CPUs available for Apple (1, Redundant)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081282)


Good. Dell using AMD will free up some of the Intel CPU supply for Apple. Apple has a history of demanding more CPUs than their suppliers can provide. This move will help Intel provide the demand Apple will soon be generating.


Dell Sells around 40-50 million units per year, I think.
Intel & AMD probably sell 100 million computer chips per year, maybe.

Apple sells 4 million units in a good year. I don't think Apple really matters
in this equation much. Apple fans thinking otherwise is just delusions
of grandeur.

It's like saying that if my town stops filling petrol for a week, petrol prices
are going to drop.

hold on a minute (4, Insightful)

ruiner5000 (241452) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081196)

That is not the title I would use for this story. Nothing is confirmed. Nothing is close to confirmed.

While the individual listings of CPUs on Dull's site has meant nothing for years that it has happened this could be real news. The question then becomes why is this happening if indeed this story is true? Reasons could be as follows.

1. End of the year price negotiation time with Intel.
2. Intel's see, AMD is doing good, don't come down on use for monopolistic practices Mr. Government man.
3. Dull finally does listen to customers after years of saying they do but lying out their teeth.

Certainly one must wonder what exactly Dull has one their mind for a product, and clearing the server and gaming/workstation segment is where they are getting killed on performance, and performance per watt. They can Apple up their product line all they want, but with analyts on their case for a poorer than expected quarter they could legitimately be looking to save some face. Their consumer electronic attempts have largely failed, and we all remember their attempt to take over the white box market, dominated by AMD. Not too pretty a pony for them on that idea.

Some may question if AMD has enough capacity for them. Those people haven't been paying attention. AMD has a new fab coming on line. AMD has a deal with IBM and Chartered Semiconductor for additional capacity if needed. Dull will not switch their entire product line from Intel to AMD. Anyone thinking capacity is a problem, Dull included, is foolish. This is a strictly numbers bottom line game. If AMD is hurting Intel enough, and therefor Dull enough due to outright demand, and share starts slipping, and customers start saying hello to HP, Gateway, IBM, and Sun, then something has to be done if Intel can not deliver in 2006 as it currently appears.

Surely it could also be insurance for the antitrust suit for Intel. They could come to Dull and say ok. The heat is on. Put out one or two AMD product lines. Make a fuss about it in the media. Don't push them through your sales force. We won't take away your discount, or bump you down the product allocation totem pole, nor pull coop marketing dollars. Just the illusion of AMD and Dull being all buddy buddy, and we could see this happen until the case blows over.

What device? (1)

ChicagoArea (922944) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081200)

Will this be a PC? or some other device uisng the AMD processor. My sources tell me it will be some media player for the entertainment system.

Oh Shit (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081216)

I put an order in last night to buy AMD stock. Damn Damn Damn. Thankfully it was a limit order, but I bet it won't be filled.

One Step Closer. (1)

n00tz (926304) | more than 8 years ago | (#14081298)

Now if they'd only ship their servers with *nix (making workstations as their first step in linux was not a good move).
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