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CSI Takes On Grand Theft Auto

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the let-the-indoctrination-begin dept.

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Tycoon Guy was one of many to write "Looks like another 20 million viewers will be fed the 'video games promote violence' story tonight. Today's CSI: Miami episode will feature a group of kids who are inspired to go on a city-wide crime spree by a game that looks suspiciously like Grand Theft Auto. From the description: 'Delko witnesses a bank robbery and the CSIs soon discover that the culprits are playing out the action from the videogame 'Urban Hellraisers' on the streets of Miami. As they score points for each crime committed, the CSIs must discover what consists of getting to the next level in the game in order to stop the culprits before they strike again.'"

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Eh... so what? (4, Insightful)

XorNand (517466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083206)

I don't think that the debate isn't so much about whether video games inspire people to go on crime sprees (which is only the aspect that the CSI episode seems to address). Most of us agree that they can. Just like a violent movie, booze, extremely stressful situtation, etc. can push a person already with a few screws loose over the edge. The question is: Do video games make killers? And if so (and that's a big if) where does the line between social conditioning and personal responsiblity lay?

Anyhow, I wouldn't be in such a hurry to throw up your arms over this show. Knowing CSI, I doubt that they're going to devote much airtime into exploring the social and moral issues surrounding the debate. The focus of the show isn't the same as Law & Order, which is a bit more far reaching.

Re:Eh... so what? (4, Insightful)

NoodleSlayer (603762) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083255)

I think most of us will agree that video games are no more likely to inspire kids to go on a killing spree any more then violent TV Shows and Movies or an episode of "Barney & Friends."

However unlike the aforementioned Video Games have been noted in studies for reducing the subject's likelihood of displaying violent behavior, because the game serves as a release mechanism.

All this is is scapegoatism led by asshats like Jack Thompson.

Re:Eh... so what? (5, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083336)

I don't know about you, but "Barney and Friends" is MUCH more likely to send me on a killing spreee than your average violent video game.

Re:Eh... so what? (0, Redundant)

Erioll (229536) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083380)

/agree

With a name... (1)

Dante Shamest (813622) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083516)

...like Satanic Puppy, I think you'd do it anyway. =P

Re:Eh... so what? (3, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083300)

Knowing CSI, I doubt that they're going to devote much airtime into exploring the social and moral issues surrounding the debate.

There lies the problem, IMO. The average viewer only sees "games = killing spree", they don't get any exposure to the rest of the argument, and the rest of the media reinforces this.

I guess it's not really a big thing, but it still does seem to outline the mass-media view on the issue, that is likely to be taken in by many people.

Re:Eh... so what? (5, Funny)

dsginter (104154) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083312)

Knowing CSI, I doubt that they're going to devote much airtime into exploring the social and moral issues surrounding the debate.

Knowing CSI, I think that they'll devote more time exploring the intricacies involved in the "reverse algorithmic" required to make that 320x200 security camera zoom in 3000x with perfect clarity.

If nothing else, CSI is good for scaring criminals into thinking that this kind of technology actually exists.

Re:Eh... so what? (2, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083505)

I'm not sure about practically, but theoretically it is possible to refine the data from a security camera significantly. You have two main advantages:
  1. You have multiple frames to work with. You can do inter-frame interpolation to pull more information out of stills. Ever wondered why a lower resolution is acceptable for moving pictures than stills? It's because your brain does this.
  2. You know what people, cars, etc look like. If you have n images that could have been degraded to look like a pixelated face, you can discard the m that don't look like a face at all. The n-m is then a much smaller search space, and you can make guesses within this.
This is a fairly active research area - I've seen papers about it, but never bothered to read much past the abstract.

Re:Eh... so what? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14083345)

Yes, Law & Order did an episode on video game violence last year as well. Who cares? Does anyone really get their political beliefs from TV shows?

Re:Eh... so what? (5, Funny)

HunterZ (20035) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083384)

Yes, Law & Order did an episode on video game violence last year as well. Who cares? Does anyone really get their political beliefs from TV shows?

I'm guessing you're not an American.

(My Fellow Americans: I am American, BTW, so don't get bent out of shape)

Re:Eh... so what? (1)

SScorpio (595836) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083392)

Sadly, yes they do.

Re:Eh... so what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14083378)

Ugh.... didn't they do one about toothing awhile back?

Re:Eh... so what? (2, Funny)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083454)

Yeah, I think viewers will start laughing when Jack Thompson shows up in soft focus with a sort of glow and informs the CSI group that violent video games make kids into violent killers. Then he dons his armor and runs out to find the kids and take them down himself. The show ends with Thompson embarking on a quest to take down the video game industry by himself. The show will be banned due to uncontrollable laughter of Monty Python's deadly joke proportions.

Re:Eh... so what? (1)

hrieke (126185) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083465)

Quite a few things can send a person into a blind rage, even Art [boston.com] .
I hope that the writers for this story had enough sense for our heros to simply pick up a phone and call the game publisher and ask them what the missions where and for any advice when dealing with these kids. If not that, then our hero walks into a game store and buys the guide.

Re:Eh... so what? (0, Offtopic)

vertinox (846076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083472)

The focus of the show isn't the same as Law & Order, which is a bit more far reaching.

You mean that show that makes it look ok to trample on the bill of right?

Then again... I suppose it wouldn't be interesting if everyone they arrested said "I plead the 5th!" and stayed silent throughout the entire episode.

Even if you are innocent it actually benefits you to remain silent if you are a suspect or explain you don't remember and couldn't give valid information that would help them in their case.

I PlAy ViOlEnT GaMeS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14083514)

I've played violent video games for a long time now and I haven't killed anyone, yet...

Football encourages drug use, sexual assault and battery. Why don't they do a CSI where a bunch of frat-boy football jocks stick needles in their butts just before raping and beating a bunch of under aged girls? The CSI detectives could then learn how to play football in hope that it will help them catch the drug addict rapist child molesters before they can strike again!

Running out of ideas? (0, Troll)

Whyzzi (319263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083214)

CSI is going to turn into the new baywatch if they are not careful...

Re:Running out of ideas? (1)

TommydCat (791543) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083231)

You kidding? With serial racial killings and tanks blowing up strip malls, it's going to be great!

Running out of ideas? (4, Funny)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083216)

Will it include a Jack Thompson kind of lawer?

Re:Running out of ideas? (1)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083277)

Running out of ideas. Heh, you aren't joking. They did the exact same thing on the show Killer Instinct a week ago.

In other news (4, Insightful)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083221)

C-SPAN2 today will air an episode of Head of the Class 2005 where the students form a representative government that really is more interested in padding their pockets than in protecting their constituents.

We have to accept that the media has nothing to report on. They HAVE to report on games that may entice teenagers to murder, and the fiction media has to make it fact.

It isn't like Sharon quit the Likud or gold hit a 18 year high or GM is cutting 30,000 union jobs that it should have cut 20 years ago or even that Intel and Micron are colluding on flash memory. I know there's no real news out there for fiction-media to mimic.

The lady watches a lot of Law & Order (SVU primarily) and whenever I'm on the couch watching the show, all I can think of is "criminals are stupid" and "these cops are walkin all over people's rights." Then I realize it isn't reality -- but I do believe that a majority of viewers THINK this is real life. It isn't anywhere near what happens in the situations presented.

Wasn't it the Miami ADA who complains about how they have problems with getting guilty verdicts because juries expect DNA and other CSI-style evidence? Is this CSI pandering to the local legal authorities in pushing what may be a big issue for them?

I, for one, welcome our new "this is reality and you better accept it" overlords. The positive thing about shows like this is that it only helps in destroying the media regimes that exist today.

BTW, the advertisement to the right of this article is a GTA:LS for the PSP ad. Funny.

Re:In other news (1)

Liquid-Gecka (319494) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083344)

Umm.. Minor point I know. The issue with Micron wasn't with Flash memory. It was with SDRAM. I know this because when Micron layed off 10% of its work force in 2003 the entire flash group got axed. Flas wasn't making money at all.. Of course, the company that bought all Micron's flash assets made tons of cash and now flash is a total cash cow..

Good old Micron.. The thing they are best at is making bad decisions =) (Lehi.. Flash.. SRAM.. QDR.. etc) I watched Micron just sit on some of the best products it had.

Re:In other news (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083471)

The issue with Micron wasn't with Flash memory.

Wait about 1 hour :)

They have all the right. (2, Interesting)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083222)

if GTA only imitates "reality" in their violence, and there HAVE been cases of copycat murders imitating GTA, is there any problem with a TV show imitating the reality of GTA-inspired copycat murders?

Because gamers censoring CSI is in no way different from lawyers censoring GTA.

Re:They have all the right. (2, Interesting)

sedyn (880034) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083304)

"Because gamers censoring CSI is in no way different from lawyers censoring GTA."

Thats actually a really good point.

But we all know not to take television seriously, I mean, a writer would claim that you could hack 1024-bit encrypted RSA in 10 seconds to make sure the plot kept going.

The news makes it sound like "hackers" are at fault for all the ills of the computing world, when really most are just script kiddies exploiting cheap flaws in badly written software.

I've also heard that medical doctors and lawyers can't watch shows about their professions, and if watching the media's opinion of IT is any indication, I'd be inclined to believe it.

Re:They have all the right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14083509)

But we all know not to take television seriously, I mean, a writer would claim that you could hack 1024-bit encrypted RSA in 10 seconds to make sure the plot kept going.

Couch *Dan Brown* Couch

Re:They have all the right. (1)

Bones3D_mac (324952) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083315)

And, if a crime is committed in the real world solely to reproduce/parody/satirize actions seen in a popular movie or game, shouldn't those actions be protected as free speech? Why should it matter whether the action actually occured in a physical or electronic form if the said action itself is illegal in itself?

Re:They have all the right. (3, Insightful)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083348)

Umm, if you think there is no diffrence between gamers bitching about CSI and Lawyers seuing and getting legislation made against GTA, you myfriend have a very distorted view of the world.

damn this pisses me off! (4, Funny)

illtron (722358) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083224)

Every time I read something like this, it makes me want to carjack someone's Infernus, back up over them with it, then go on a huge hooker shooting spree.

Re:damn this pisses me off! (1)

towsonu2003 (928663) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083302)

Every time I read something like this, it makes me want to carjack someone's Infernus, back up over them with it, then go on a huge hooker shooting spree.

u spend way too much time playing those games...

Not that surprising... (3, Interesting)

IAmTheDave (746256) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083225)

Shows often hop on a hot-topic issue to prompt more viewership. This move is relatively unsurprising. What will be interesting to see is if the game is actually blamed, or the show exhonorates (sp?) the game, dismissing what the kids emulate and acknowledging that personal responsibility is capable of dettering anyone from a mass murder spree, GTA be damned.

(Sorry for the poor spelling.)

Re:Not that surprising... (1)

(A)*(B)!0_- (888552) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083276)

Too bad the person who submitted the summary has already decided that the show is blaming the game - without actually seeing it.

Re:Not that surprising... (4, Informative)

ArsSineArtificio (150115) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083294)

the show exhonorates (sp?) the game

It's actually 'exonerates'. The word is derived not from the root "honor", but rather from "onus/onera", the Latin word for "burden". So to 'exonerate' is to 'remove the burden' from someone.

Re:Not that surprising... (1)

typical (886006) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083377)

I would have thought that CSI's viewership would be young and more of the mind that Jack Thompson is an idiot than old and conservative and worried about young hooligans.

/me shrugs. I guess the market researchers probably know better than I, but still.

Re:Not that surprising... (1)

RockModeNick (617483) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083518)

If I remember they did a law and order or other crime show on this in which the kid was definately shown to be at fault, not the game. And in an episode of CSI I saw a couple years back there was a crime involving the local BDSM scene, and I felt they were disturbingly fair considering that it's probably something more people have a nagitive view of than video game violence.

Hollywood Vendetta (3, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083228)

Hollywood has decided that games are a threat to their business, not just the next wholly owned subsidiary. They see that they can't control the game medium with their distribution monopolies and promotional control, so they're attacking it. They thought they could make a fortune off game music, but failed to change their bizmodel to pull that off. So now they see gamers and "pirates" as their enemy. Which consensus will now appear in Hollywood products generally. How long before the Internet itself becomes the target, beyond just P2P filesharing?

Re:Hollywood Vendetta (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14083299)

You're stupid. How is this episode any different from an episode where a criminal enacts crimes from a movie, and the investigators have to find and watch the movie to figure out the next target? Does a plot like that mean Hollywood is anti-Hollywood?

Re:Hollywood Vendetta (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083409)

You're stupid, Anonymous obnoxious Coward, so I'll school you a little bit. Movies are already safe, and Hollywood has figured out how to profit from the ongoing movie/TV violence controversy by selling movies and TV shows covering that subject. While games are only hurt by the antigame coverage. Hollywood is anti-Hollywood when that suits it.

Does this mean? (1)

WebHostingGuy (825421) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083229)

Art is imitating life again?

Seriously though, the people who believe games induce violence will not be changed and those who believe it doesn't won't be changed either. The few souls who don't have an opinion might be changed but I don't think there are very many of them left.

--

On another note, I never watch this show, but now I will just to see what it shows...

And now... (5, Funny)

daranz (914716) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083232)

Somebody needs to go start killing people, and say that he was inspired by gruesome scenes in CSI. Right back at them.

Discovering the secrets of the game? (5, Funny)

ArsSineArtificio (150115) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083234)

As they score points for each crime committed, the CSIs must discover what consists of getting to the next level in the game in order to stop the culprits before they strike again.'"

Couldn't the CSIs just check the walkthrough?

Re:Discovering the secrets of the game? (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083305)

Couldn't the CSIs just check the walkthrough?

Actually I get the feeling they'll do EXACTLY THAT. And I bet it'll be the long hair-computer-nerd who'll say something like:

"Guess what!" (smiles blatantly) "Here is a detailed walkthru of the game, telling us how these kids are gonna rob the next banks."

"So, am I a genius or what?"

Re:Discovering the secrets of the game? (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083418)

I myself was wondering how you get "points" in GTA. I mean, what the hell? Points? Are they acting out a sidescroller for christs sake?

Just one more example of a scriptwriter with no effing clue what he's talking about. Points? I guess they've got to come up with some motivation for the hypothetical psycho gamers to want to leave their basements.

Gamer1: Lets go on a citywide shooting spree!
Gamer2: STFU and pass the cheetos.
Gamer1: There will be points...
Gamer2: POINTS?!?! Screw cheetos! Hand me my m16 baby!

Re:Discovering the secrets of the game? (1)

MaestroSartori (146297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083483)

Erm, have you ever played any of the GTA games? You get points for doing many things, including killing people. You can then (from GTA3+) pick up their money, etc.

Re:Discovering the secrets of the game? (0)

Prophet of Nixon (842081) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083490)

Hey, the original (good) GTA games were played for points, as well as missions. That was the whole point of the score multipliers for finishing several missions in a row without failing, and the smaller multipliers for multikills, gory deaths, irony (smashing people with an ambulance, or a hippy bus), etc. The arcade feel of the games was what made them great, not the slapshod mess of hooliganism they are now.

Don't worry, Citizens! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14083241)

Now, Jimmy, I want you to do something for me. Do you think you can help me out? Yeah? Good.
See this badge, Jimmy? It means you're an honorary police officer. Tell me about what you saw.
Jimmy, I am going to find out who stole your video game.

The answer is simple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14083242)

As they score points for each crime committed, the CSIs must discover what consists of getting to the next level in the game in order to stop the culprits before they strike again.

GameFAQs [gamefaqs.com] . What kind of investigators are these?

This isn't a problem (4, Informative)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083245)

As long as they portray it as bad parenting and idiotic kids acting out bits from a video game. Or a book. Or a movie.

It's not that video games don't inspire mentally unstable people to do stupid things. That's a given. Mentally unstable people could find inspirations for their actions from a box of rice crispies.

It's how you portray it.

Re:This isn't a problem (1)

FireballX301 (766274) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083425)

Rice Crispies! Dear God!

SOUND THE ALERT! Rice Crispies are the root of terrorism. TERRORISM!

OUTGOING (-1, Offtopic)

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That Sounds Great! (5, Funny)

jenkin sear (28765) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083248)

That sounds like a great episode.

In fact, I'm going to create a video game where you are a forensic pathologist, and you have to travel around a city trying to track down a gang of teenagers who are acting out scenes inspired by the latest episode of CSI... you must figure out what the crazy wrapup / plot twist will be in order to stop them. I bet the video game would be a hell of a lot more interesting than their show- and probably about equally gory.

What? (2, Funny)

vjmurphy (190266) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083257)

A popular television series is using a plotline based upon bad information to enhance its ratings during sweeps month? Tell me it isn't true. Next thing you know, they won't be throwing their main characters into bikinis and making them kiss!

Must-watch garbage. (4, Funny)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083258)


As they score points for each crime committed, the CSIs must discover what consists of getting to the next level in the game in order to stop the culprits before they strike again.

Simple...just put a big sign over a warehouse that says 'Pay-n-Spray', fill the warehouse with cops, and wait. ^_^

Seriously, though, I will be watching this episode tonight, even though I usually avoid CSI: Miami like the plague (I would rather perform an appendectomy on myself with a rusty grapefruit spoon than sit through David Caruso gibbering and capering onscreen for an hour). After all, we have to be familiar withh the propaganda if we're going to fight it effectively, no?

This would never happen because... (2, Insightful)

technopinion (469686) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083259)

Anyone stupid enough to need a videogame to tell them how to commit crimes is stupid enough to get caught pretty quickly.

pity (1)

towsonu2003 (928663) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083266)

I pity the kids whose parents actually believe the stuff they see on CSI is real and WILL affect them/ their kids. good luck... and I expect an increase in Auto theft game purchases after this CSI. Is it a coincidence that this is airing close to christmas (though in US, $now is close to christmas, whatever $now is)?

Re:pity (2, Interesting)

frostfreek (647009) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083534)

Aside from believing it is real, which is a problem, watching this stuff WILL affect us/them. Assuming that it enters your brain, you are affected. You can remember it, can't you?

I am not saying the effect will cause people to do certain actions; I am saying that you are now a (marginally) different person for watching the show, compared to if you didn't watch the show. You know, parallel universes, decisions, and stuff like that.

On a vaguely related note, med students (well, the ones I know) went to 'desensitization' classes. During this time, they watched movies of gross stuff; blood, surgery, accidents... You know, stuff that would make normal people faint, barf, hide, or maybe all three!
If watching that stuff didn't affect them, then there would be no point in doing it.

So, I am open to the idea that watching CSI / playing violent games may desensitize you to the subject.

On another tangent, I do like the idea of someone making a video game where you play a CSI... It could be a GTA mod! Then, play online, and if you prove someone else is guilty... they get kicked! Ha ha!

This just in, TV stinks! (1)

aarku (151823) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083269)

As long as I have my Unity [www.otee.dk] engine and a computer in front of me, I'll make the game I want to make and will be uncensored. The rest of the world can shove off. Don't be scared, folks, the Indies will make it all right.

Re:This just in, TV stinks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14083503)

Better take your meds.

Good! 'cause when they finally catch me... (1)

Abuzar (732558) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083270)

my excuse is gonna be reading slashdot and coding in Perl.

cool.. (1)

trifster (307673) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083273)

I'll watch. its a great game, make a great movie.

Pot calling the kettle black (2, Insightful)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083274)

CSI:Miami, a TV-show with violent content, is going to go up against violent content in the video game industry? What do you kow? The vultures are beginning to eat each other! Of course violent games and TV don't make people into killers! Now excuse me as I go strap on my StormTrooper armor, grab my handy blaster, and lay waste to some people at the supermarket...

Re:Pot calling the kettle black (2, Insightful)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083371)

CSI:Miami, a TV-show with violent content, is going to go up against violent content in the video game industry?

Um, not - they just want viewers. In the grand scheme of "follow the buck", they aren't trying to make the world a better place or to make some profound social commentary: They're just doing whatever gets the viewers so they can please their advertisers. You know - Just like GTA is just trying to sell games, and they aren't actually trying to get you to kill cops and hookers.

The burning question must be asked.. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Meoward (665631) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083275)

Will the episode be sponsored by a producer of hot coffee?

CSI the game... (2, Funny)

Harrakis (700823) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083283)

flunked out, so they need to take it out on someone... Last thing i want to do for 6 hrs is a pixel hunt to find some guys pubic hairs. If i want a pixel hunt i'll go back and play myst.

New? (1)

thesnarky1 (846799) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083288)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that CSI (the original) has already done this storyline, but with one kid. All I can remember (was a few years ago) was killing a hooker.

Re:New? (1)

towsonu2003 (928663) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083331)

law&order svu also did that storyline but who cares. it's not like they are /. ... no dupe there.

Re:New? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14083366)

Sure it might have been done on the original CSI. But this is CSI: Miami, which is totally different. For starters, it takes place in Miami.

TV != real life. Especially for the CSI shows. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14083291)

from the whole, Physical evidence never lies last week on CSI (it does, or rather people are faluable.) to today's GTA inspired show. What do you expect? People want entertainment, people want absolutes. BFD.

Will they continue to be Politically Correct? (2, Insightful)

SengirV (203400) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083296)

I've never seen so many white gang members in my life as there are in the CSI universe. Are tehy afraid of offending anyone? EVER?

Boycott Sony (-1, Offtopic)

dan of the north (176417) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083298)

Not forever, just until January 02 /06.

If Sony misses out on the Christmas rush perhaps they, and the rest of the E! industry, will figure out that their customers don't like to be harrassed, lied to or spied on.

!!! - Arista Records, BMG Classics, BMG Heritage, BMG International Companies, J Records, Jive Records, LaFace Records, Provident Music Group, RCA Records, RCA Victor Group, RLG - Nashville, Sony Urban Music, So So Def Records, Verity Records, Columbia Records, Epic Records, Legacy Recordings, Sony Classical, Sony Nashville, Sony Wonder, Sony Ericsson, Sony Music, Sony Pictures, Sony Electronics & PlayStation. - !!!

Sony's actions were egregious, their behaviour is arrogant and their response has been without remorse.

A six week consumer action just might have the effect of reaching into the corporate boardrooms and making those who approve such actions pause. A six week consumer action just might make pension funds and other big $$ investors smack corporate leaders upside the head and direct them to 'do no evil'. A six week consumer action just might tip the balance, for a little while anyway, away from unaccountable corporate malfeasance.

Please keep in mind that while Sony is the target of this boycott; it is the insatiable, unconscionable corporate thinking that perverts any reasonable interpretation of capitalism that needs to be reformed... My hope is that Sony can go from loser to leader.

Not as Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14083308)

As the made for tv movie "Mazes and Monsters" but it's a start.

Oh, that exlains the RIAA (2, Funny)

Abuzar (732558) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083319)

...they've been watching too much CSI.

Who do we like on this one? (0)

dj245 (732906) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083328)

Its CSI! We have to support shows with science in television! But wait, its a lousy spin-off and the science is unrealistic and oftentimes wrong (overzooming on security videos anyone?) Then we have GTA, which started out as a great game but has progressively slid downhill in terms of replayability in every release. I played GTA 3 over and over and over. GTA SA I played once and that was enough. I'm very confused.

I say we put them both in a ring of jello and let them fight it out the American way.

Monday's other show (1)

J_Omega (709711) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083335)

... is Monday Night Football.

Don't these overlap on differeing networks? And if so, is anyone really worried that those who might actually read to far into a crime drama wouldn't be watching something more banal anyways?

Just trying to recapture their market (1)

gregor-e (136142) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083357)

Hours spent watching TV has been decreasing for the last decade, owing to alternative time-wasters in the form of the internet and video games. It makes sense that TV would get out their big ole tar brush and paint up their new competition.

double negative? (1)

slowburn69 (880114) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083379)

This cannot be preceived as bad publicity for video games. A television show portray's an actor who plays a video game and replicates the violence. The rub is, they can't say it is the video games fault while the show depicts the exact same kind of violence. Maybe Rock star should make a game that portray's a crime based television show that a viewer watches then replicates the violence they see on the show... all this pandering moves focus away from the actual culprit, the person behind the actual violence.

Provoking you to watch (2, Insightful)

ewg (158266) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083381)

Angry viewers count just as much in the ratings as any other kind of viewers. If stirring this pot motivates you to watch, it's money in the producers' pockets.

Re:Provoking you to watch (1)

sparkchaser (594964) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083473)

It only puts money in their pockets if you support the sponsors.

I just hope... (2, Funny)

ZeonMan0079 (926241) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083391)

they make the game's graphics look as advanced as their crime "analysis" software, 3d effects and all.

Of course, silly me, this is one of them "videogames", so it must look like old PSX and sound like an Atari2600.

The problem isn't TV (1)

saskboy (600063) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083393)

I think it sounds like a great TV episode, it's just too bad that ignorant people will take it to mean that video games promte violence in EVERYONE. It's a very small portion of video game players that actually become violent in a certain manner due to something they witness in a game.

The problem is parents who buy a game that's unsuitable for their mentally challenged or disturbed children. They wouldn't buy them beer or let them drive at 12, why would they buy them something like GTA?

CSI: Who Cares? Law and Order: Die Already Wolf! (1)

Luscious868 (679143) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083398)

The broadcast networks (save ABC last season) have been bankrupt of good ideas for new shows for years now.

three words for this episode... (1)

buhatkj (712163) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083407)

crap, crap, crap....
One of the many reasons I don't watch network TV

Come on, its a retread plot... (1)

nweaver (113078) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083413)

"Killer Instinct" or whatever the crappy fox crime drama is did the same plot a week ago (Yeah, I watched it. I was flying on JetBlue and was curious about this particular POS. It was craptacular).

Expect this same "Viloent crime spree videogame inspires real killers" to pop up in Law and Order next.

I can't speak for anyone else, but . . . (5, Interesting)

div_2n (525075) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083414)

After I played GTA (can't remember which one) at a friend's house for a couple of hours, I found myself thinking about ramming into other vehicles and stealing their cars. I'm really not joking. Of course, I also once pointed at a cop checking for speeders during my Quake years and yelling audibly, "Look at that camper!!!" Again, I'm really not joking.

While I neither rammed other people's cars nor pulled out a rocket launcher to teach the cop a lesson, I certainly KNOW that games can bleed into reality and if the person is just messed up enough in the head already, I don't doubt they could live out the game.

Prevent A Double-Standard (2, Insightful)

TheFlyingGoat (161967) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083420)

Before anyone complains about this, keep in mind that it's just television. You know... make-believe, just like the video games. It would be unfortunate for people to make predictions about how this CSI:Miami episode will affect people considering those critics would be the same ones arguing with Jack about how the games affect people's behavior.

I'm surprised this even made Slashdot. What next... a detailed analysis of how the last Numb3rs episode was incorrect? How TV shows glamorize things that aren't glamorous? It's TV... it's about ratings, not trying to change how people think.

Clew #1: GTA is satire (2, Interesting)

gregor-e (136142) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083424)

GTA is satire. Made all the richer by those who don't get it and end up looking like the total goofs they are for taking satire seriously.

I hope this doesn't kill... (1)

johnny cashed (590023) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083426)

my "Random shooting spree in a mall" video game. How do you decide who to shoot anyway?

This is like the Quincy episode... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14083430)

... with the "punk rockers". It set us back 20 years.

P.S. Sid was innocent.

Wow. 20 million people still watch that show? (1)

wcrowe (94389) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083432)

I thought they jumped the shark with the "tsunami" episode (David Caruso was getting pretty tedious even before that). This sounds like another incredibly unlikely storyline.

Killer Instinct - been there, done that... (1)

TheRealStyro (233246) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083449)

Killer instinct had an episode about this a couple weeks back. The episode was called 'game over' and featured a killer using the levels on a video game as a plan for the crimes.

More info is available here - http://www.tv.com/killer-instinct/game-over/episod e/498048/summary.html [tv.com]

Chicken, egg, time warp (2, Funny)

Clockwork Apple (64497) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083453)

I wonder if the guys doing carjacking,killing,whoring and stealing in the 80s can sue for plagerism?

Yeah video games invented violence, greed and lawlessness, now can we move on?

C.

In this Episode the CSI:Miami team fail (5, Funny)

Dr_LHA (30754) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083457)

The entire episode is spent using forensic evidence to track down the killer criminals, and the episode ends in a carjacking followed by an almighty car chase involving 20 police cars and the criminals.

Unfortunately, just before the police are about the catch the crooks, they drive down an alley and pass through a floating police badge, costing $500, and the police promptly forget about them, causing a massive 20 car police pile up followed by period explosions for 5 minutes in which 500 police and innocent bystanders are killed.

However, the criminals later are found standing aimlessly outside a local hospital after a misguided attempt at a stunt jump landed their car in the river, which was unfortunate as they were unable to swim.

And life goes on in Vice Cit.... Miami.

game violence and full VR (1)

sinij (911942) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083459)

Game violence is something most of us grew up here and we are fine, right? Well its right and wrong at the same time. Since we were kids computer games gained whole lot of realism and detail. Its one thing to 'kill' pixilated nazis that cannot be mistaken for human beings because they don't look that real and another thing to ... well nothing right now but we are getting there. IMO in our lifetime we will see movie-realistic graphics and perhaps some emersion-3D technology that would make any games very close to reality. I don't think we have real problem right now with computer game violence, after all games do not feel real that reasonable person, or even typical kid, will mistake it for reality.

Warren Spector (1)

MrRogers2 (538216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083484)

Marginally related are Warren Spector's thoughts on the issue, over at Gamespot [gamespot.com] . Very good read IMO.

Re:Warren Spector (1)

Synic (14430) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083532)

thanks for the link

Clearly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14083499)

Clearly, it is a dumb fucking show. Was and Will be. What else did you want when you turned it on?

Predictable. (1)

Phae (920315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083500)

I can tell you how it ends. Microsoft saves the day with a Fatal Error.

equal time? (1)

EddieBurkett (614927) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083510)

So where's the episode where we find out that the CSI's are inspired to do what they do because they play the CSI: Miami video game?

Flock of Seagulls? (1)

brakk (93385) | more than 8 years ago | (#14083531)

Cool, do they drive around listening to 80s music?

If they get a PJC-600, not even the CSI guys could catch them.
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