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Paris Accelerates Move to Open Source

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the free-seems-to-motivate-a-lot-of-people dept.

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* * Beatles-Beatles writes to tell us that the city of Paris is moving to open-source software a little faster than originally intended. As a part of the strategy to 'reduce its dependence on suppliers' they anticipate replacing both server and desktop applications with free and open-source software. From the article: "Earlier this year, volunteers among the city's 46,000 staff were invited to download and install open-source software to their desktops, including the Firefox browser and the Open Office.org productivity suite. Now, the city is planning to migrate all the users of one city department or all of those in one of the city's 20 districts, not just the volunteers, to test a larger migration. The city has 17,000 workstations, up from 12,000 in 2001"

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Nothing new... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085204)

Paris went open source since her famous video went to the internet.

Oh, wait...

Re:Nothing new... (4, Funny)

g2devi (898503) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085778)

> Paris went open source since her famous video went to the internet.

I think you're confusing the licensing. Paris may be exposed, but you can't modify her.

Basically, she's under a "shared" source license.

Mod Parent Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085825)

+5 Informative

Re:Nothing new... (2, Funny)

Jherek Carnelian (831679) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085911)

Paris went open source since her famous video went to the internet.

Nah, everyone knows that proprietary systems get 'rooted' more often than open source.

Oblig (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085207)

In Soviet Russia Open Source Software Accelerates You!

Good for her (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085215)

That should keep her Sidekick from getting hacked again.

Re:Good for her (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085273)

About damn time. I'm fed up of wearing this [glarkware.com] .

Not really cracked (2, Informative)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085361)

IIRC, It was the Windows boxes that were broken into, and then accessed the sidekick. The sidekick was suppose to be open to the network, os it did what it was designed to do.

Re:Not really cracked (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085824)

IIRC, It was the Windows boxes that were broken into, and then accessed the sidekick.

Didn't she just choose the name of her dog as password?

hmm (5, Funny)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085216)

"Paris Accelerates Move to Open Source"

by distributing 100 dollar laptops with Red Hat Linux to every rioting teen

Re:hmm (1)

stupidfoo (836212) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085267)

no no no... the correct, politically sensitive term is "youth" not "teen". And they weren't rioting. As someone being interview in the Washington Post said they're expressing themselves. They're just saying "We're here! We exist!".

Hui! (2)

flamesrock (802165) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085218)

There is a french version of open office?

Re:Hui! (2, Informative)

corwin2 (680613) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085489)

Of course, openoffice is translated in dozens of languages among them French (and the translation is of very good level).

Re:Hui! (1)

dana340 (914286) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085548)

Ummm, missing the scarcasm.

Re:Hui! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085604)

Of course! It's called L'OpenOffice. It's open sauce after all, and who better than the french to get in on it? Everything comes with either butter or cream sauce.

[grin] (5, Funny)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085219)

Never mind TFA, this is just payback time for the 'freedom fries' jibes... None of your nasty closed-source software - we will 'ave the free(dom) software instead!

Oh, and I spit in your general direction!

Simon :-)

Re:[grin] (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085271)

The French motto: "We're there when we need you."
The French know they can do whatever they want, because if they get attacked, the British, Poles and Americans will come and save them... again.

Re:[grin] (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085321)

Indeed, Poles do nothing but save the French...

Re:[grin] (4, Informative)

Alex P Keaton in da (882660) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085374)

Hmmm- learn your WWII history-
Here are some book to get you started. I am not a big francophile, but nor am I a France hater. But the Poles played a big part in liberating Paris.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/listmania/fullvie w/3DRV4RIE2IBVW/104-1606606-3940704?_encoding=UTF8 [amazon.com]

WWII In France (1)

queenb**ch (446380) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085953)

My issue with the French stems largely from WWII as well. To my mind, their reaction to the Nazis cost them all rights to any future griping. Any group of people who is sufficiently mentally defective to vote to allow the Nazis into your country so that they don't bomb your musems, is too mentally defective to be allowed a voice in any future decisions.

Sure, Mr. Hitler, come on in. Round up our Jews, our staunch Catholics, our Gypsies, and kill our people. Just, please, oh please don't bomb our musems.

What a bunch of logic that was!

2 cents,

Queen B

Re:[grin] (4, Informative)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085427)

Of course, the whole "french fries" fiasco was even funnier considering that french fries aren't even named after France - it's the way they're prepared that gave them their name, and the word just happens to be the same in (contemporary?) English.

Re:[grin] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085812)

Close, but the verb french (cut into strips) still refers to the French. At one time, to french a vegtable ment to cut it like the French did.

Re:[grin] (4, Informative)

PhotoBoy (684898) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085834)

Funnier still is that the UK and US governments deliberately mis-quoted Chirac, they claimed Chirac had promised to block any vote for war in the UN. What Chirac actually said was that he would not vote for war unless the weapons inspectors were allowed to complete their inspection and confirmed the presences of WMDs. Which is quite reasonable if you ask me...

But that didn't stop Bush & Co from demonising the French and starting a nationwide backlash against them just to prevent their reasonable criticism from being heard. I don't have any great love for the French but we should at least criticise them for something they did actually do.

Re:[grin] (2, Funny)

bertramwooster (763417) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085841)

Just a small correction: you mean I fart in your general direction .

And also...

Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yer?

See the løveli lakes

The wonderful telephøne system

And mani interesting furry animals

Yeah France! (0, Redundant)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085222)

Now that's a new combination...

Freedom Fries were appropriately named. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085227)

Good Job France -- seems that the French/Freedom fry equality is true - they really do stand for freedom.

Re:Freedom Fries were appropriately named. (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085306)

Good Job France -- seems that the French/Freedom fry equality is true - they really do stand for freedom.

Oh good grief! This is a software decision for a single city's desktops. You are really going to try to Karma Whore with likening it to real war where people are getting killed?

Blah.

Re:Freedom Fries were appropriately named. (4, Insightful)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085390)

You are really going to try to Karma Whore with likening it to real war where people are getting killed?

They wouldn't be if we had stopped to listened to the French. Hey, here's a bright idea, why don't we actually have a dialogue with our allies instead of pouring their wine down our gutters when they dare to disagree? It's just possible they may have a good point of two.

TW

Re:Freedom Fries were appropriately named. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085610)

Listening to someones does not mean agreeing with them. This is a common misconception of partisans everywhere.

As for France and freedom... I'd like to see how free Muslims in the US believe they are compared to Muslims in france. I would assume that most muslims would not consider the freedom to riot and burn things as important as the freedom to express oneself religious throughout their daily life, whether they're in school or not.

Actually they had to switch because (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085233)

the rioters burned all the Windows licenses.

IMPORTANT (1)

plj (673710) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085703)

The right to burn a car is your fundamental right to exercise your Liberty in the Sixth Republic of France. Note, however, that when burning a car, you need to carefully check, whether the the design of the car is Free; that is, it is licensed as GNU GPL. If it is, you're obliged to use a version of Molotov's coctail that's formula is licensed under a GPL compatible license to ignite the car, as the coctail is then linked to the car by the fire and is as such, becomes a derivative work of it.

Those using a non-Free or a non-GPL-compatible version of Molotov's coctail when burning a car shall be subject to a fine of up to 10,000 F and the material costs of the burned car.

*ducks*

Nonsense. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085815)

Those using a non-Free or a non-GPL-compatible version of Molotov's coctail when burning a car shall be subject to a fine of up to 10,000 F and the material costs of the burned car.

It a) used to be FF, and b) it's now.

Re:Nonsense. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085905)

It a) used to be FF, and b) it's now.

c) /. still doesn't recognise the € sign if it's not written as €, and d) I'm to stupid to preview.

Microsoft HQ is not happy... (1, Funny)

marcello_dl (667940) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085242)

France surrenders!

Re:Microsoft HQ is not happy... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085395)

Funny. A lot of Americans say French are cowards. But I think they were pretty courageous to stand so strongly against the warmongers and liars from the White House. Not like these real cowards in Poland, Romania or Micronesia, who just do blindly what Bush tell them to do.

Re:Microsoft HQ is not happy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085539)

Actually, France opposed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq as part of a broader policy of appeasing Arab nations. Given their high Muslim immigrant population, one might be able to understand why they would pursue such a policy. But look where that has gotten them...

Re:Microsoft HQ is not happy... (1)

stevejsmith (614145) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085589)

And look how much better we are for it! Romania's receiving massive amounts of US investment, while its chances of getting into the EU haven't diminished much at all because of the support it gives to the Americans. It's pragmatism, not dogma.

-- a Romanian

Courageous to stand up to Bush? (-1, Flamebait)

jgardn (539054) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085671)

Yeah, because Bush has been burning his opponents in the US at the stake, and assassinating heads of state of foreign countries that oppose him. It's real courageous to stand up to Bush.

It's funny though. They did all they could to appease the terrorists and look at their country now. Even Johnny Depp doesn't feel safe there anymore. Go figure. You think the whole Bush line of "we don't negotiate with terrorists and if you're not with us you must be against us" meant something, huh?

I am #1 mofos (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085253)

You people need to suckle on the tit of greatness.
Seriously though how many cars were torched last night by nonwhite invaders in France?

Employees don't see cost savings (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085255)

Employees don't see cost savings, so they need to see feature benefits. Hard to tell if there are enough new or better features to justify the the move.

Re:Employees don't see cost savings (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085312)

Well, it's not just cost savings that are important; It's also important to ask: "Who's getting paid?" If you're paying local citizens for support, instead of a company overseas, that's a big deal.

Re:Employees don't see cost savings (2, Interesting)

Mistshadow2k4 (748958) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085377)

If they were using Office XP and switched to OO.o 2 I know well from personal experience that the employees will see the benefits, especially in Word vs. Writer. Writer can export a document as a pdf without needing a 3rd-party macro or a program you use as a printer, plus it's FAR more stable. Writer's UI is better organized as well, IMO.

FF vs. IE? You gotta kidding me. More stable, more features, blocks pop-ups by default, etc.

One problem, though and I've mentioned this before; there's no open souce alternative to Acrobat Pro. Not even plans for one that I know of. That really sucks; we need Adobe-free computers, what with their exorbitant costs, product activation, and so on.

Re:Employees don't see cost savings (2, Interesting)

NineNine (235196) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085444)

One problem, though and I've mentioned this before; there's no open souce alternative to Acrobat Pro. Not even plans for one that I know of. That really sucks; we need Adobe-free computers, what with their exorbitant costs, product activation, and so on.

Why not do what we did: make your office PDF free? I hate PDF's with every fiber of my being. The files are enormous, the readers are bloated (and at 56+ Meg just to open a fucking file, I'd call "bloated" generous), and they're a pain in the ass to alter.

Could somebody please tell me why people use PDF's in the first place?

I feel like if at this stage, enough people said "NO" to PDF's, then it would just die on the vine. Right now, if any of our vendors send a PDF, I bounce it back with a message that we don't use PDF's, and it has yet to be a problem.

Re:Employees don't see cost savings (1)

snugge (229110) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085563)

"the readers are bloated" this one is both small and fast and has always worked for da snugge! http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php [foxitsoftware.com]

Re:Employees don't see cost savings (4, Informative)

swv3752 (187722) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085700)

PDF let anyone see something as it is meant to be printed. On other platforms that do not use Adobe's Acrobat Reader, the pdf viewers are pretty lean.

For the niche that PDF fills, nothing else works as well. Postscript (which PDF is just a variant) is even larger, and other options such as DVI are not well supported.

Why use PDF? This is why (2, Informative)

tehshen (794722) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085717)

Why not do what we did: make your office PDF free?

Because PDFs work, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it? Anything that's edited in-office is .rtf, anything sent outside the office gets converted to .pdf before sending. Your method makes you a troll, apparently.

The files are enormous

It depends how you make them. I can LaTeX up a file and the resulting pdf will be (typically) 30->100kB in size. Others are just comprised of scanned pictures, and the largest I've seen is 2.5MB. If you think that's enormous, get some more storage (it's really cheap nowadays) and then look at the .doc format.

the readers are bloated (and at 56+ Meg just to open a fucking file, I'd call "bloated" generous)

Evince is using 40.4MB to read a typical PDF with standard text/pictures for me, and that's hardly putting strain on the total memory. While Firefox is using over 100MB.

and they're a pain in the ass to alter

Some people might consider that a strong point. Try printing it out and writing on it if you need to edit it so badly.

Could somebody please tell me why people use PDF's in the first place?

Because they're what you see is what you get, anywhere? Compare that with almost all word processor formats where the layout is dependent on fonts, printers, the program, all sorts of things. Not to mention that it's well-supported.

Stop complaining about the file format just because you've been using them badly. PDFs were never intended to be a word-processor format, so stop treating them as one.

Re:Employees don't see cost savings (1)

RetroGeek (206522) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085844)

Could somebody please tell me why people use PDF's in the first place?

If I send a Word document, then your version of Word may helpfully re-format it, if you can read it at all. Also, you can alter the contents.

I can generate a PDF. Now the formatting is the same on both computers, AND you cannot alter it (easily).

And I use WordPerfect, which has "Print to PDF" built in.

Re:Employees don't see cost savings (1)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085451)

They let their staff download and use OS software for more than a year and now the project is accelerating. It's not the definitive answer we'd like to see, but the evidence is that the employees liked what they got. Put another way, if there had been a big backlash then it would be difficult to see them pushing so boldly forward.

TW

Yeah, yeah (-1, Troll)

bhsx (458600) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085256)

That's all well and good until Microsoft shows-up with a couple tanks. They'll wave the white flags faster than a, uh, Frenchman.

Changing one monopoly for the other (1)

doktorstop (725614) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085259)

I bet they will need support... and therefore, they will buy OO (oops, StarOffice) from Sun rather than instructing their employees to download it from the net. Therefore, they will just exchange one company for the other.
Good for Sun, good for OpenOffice... bad for Paris Hilton =)

Not really (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085323)

With MS, there is only one place to get real support; MS.

With nearly all (or perhaps all) OSS products, you can get support in a number of places. Other companies are offering OO support. Of course, Sun does good support, so I would not be surprised to see them win the contract. But OO is not a monopoly.

Re:Changing one monopoly for the other (2, Interesting)

marsperson (909862) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085347)

You are probably right in the sense that they will find it necessary to have some consultant firm help them out, but using open source software probably protects them from being so dependent on one firm.

Re:Changing one monopoly for the other (1)

rastakid (648791) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085352)

I bet they will need support... and therefore, they will buy OO (oops, StarOffice) from Sun rather than instructing their employees to download it from the net. Therefore, they will just exchange one company for the other. Good for Sun, good for OpenOffice... bad for Paris Hilton =)

And I bet they have an entire IT staff more than willing to support OpenOffice. Third party support may be necessary for smaller businesses, the French government has enough geeks on their payroll. Good luck France!

Translation.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085275)

They are planning on pissing off a lot of people and want to lessen the surface area exposed to retaliation.

Itchy and Scratchy. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085276)

"As a part of the strategy to 'reduce its dependence on suppliers' they anticipate replacing both server and desktop applications with free and open-source software."

So basically they moved from the whims of closed-source suppliers, to the itches of open-source suppliers.

Good news! (2, Funny)

dmccarty (152630) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085289)

Some of the French youth are extremely happy about getting their hands on Firefox.

Poor kiddies (4, Funny)

Dekortage (697532) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085292)

From the article: The city is also responsible for IT matters in its primary and middle schools. There, it has installed Open Office on 2,150 computers, and plans to bring the total to 3,500 by the end of March, it said. French high schools are run directly by central government.

B-b-b-but those poor kids won't learn how to use Microsoft Windows! How will they ever succeed in the real world?!

(This is sarcasm, folks, regarding a commonly-cited reason for American school systems to standardize on Microsoft Windows.)

Re:Poor kiddies (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085354)

Why troll? Announcing something as sarcasm doesn't make it NOT sarcastic.

Re:Poor kiddies (1)

Mistshadow2k4 (748958) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085415)

Because a lot of mods just won't get it and mod him as a troll. I meta-mod every day and I see that happening often. Just last night I had a case of someone being modded off-topic for a joke the mod apparently just didn't get.

Cheap shot (1)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085293)

Hmm, I hope they hurry the hell up and do the conversion BEFORE the city gets burned down around them. :)

Ok, Ok, some of us just can't resist a bit of taunting the French. Actually I do hope it can be pulled off for a change, getting tired of reading about conversion projects started and then scrapped as things either get complicated or Microsoft's wallet opens to local politicians.

liberté, eqalité, fraternité (0, Troll)

matt me (850665) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085300)

Liberty, equality, brotherhood. The tagline for the French republic. So they have to use free software , or they'd be breaking their ideals. Like "God bless America and the separation of church and state". I'm suprised the French don't use more free software, given their hate for America and the anglofication of their language, of which computers are a big cause. I used a French version of windows ocne. Only the very front was translated, any error messages, anything practically not visible at first view was still in English.

And thank the French language for having separate words gratuit and libre, to distringuish the meanings of free. No excuse for the open source buzzword coerupting ouyr message there.,

Re:liberté, eqalité, fraternité (1)

lixee (863589) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085389)

I believe the move falls more into the "nothing personal, just business" stack. Windows' TCO sucks! Plain simple. Except from that, you made excellent points there.

Re:liberté, eqalité, fraternité (1)

lwagner (230491) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085476)

Well, just as one has America to blame for Microsoft, one also has America to thank for bringing us Free Software. I think it is purely a cost issue -- nobody likes to pay the Microsoft Tax, and, since American states like Massachusetts are stepping up and saying "No", I think it emboldens other governments to do the same.

Re:liberté, eqalité, fraternité (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085484)

"given their hate for America"? o.O Wow. Talk about trolling.

Re:liberté, eqalité, fraternité (5, Insightful)

xutopia (469129) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085501)

How is that modded to insightful?

France does not hate America and doesn't really care about the anglicization of the French language. Only a few really vocal conservatives care about anglicization and they go "shopping" and "park" their cars next to the "building".

Also your comment about a French version of Windows being poorly translated is false. It is very easy to have a completely French computer if all you install is French versions of the software you want. Mix and match your software and you could see Korean and Elbonian on your computer.

Please stop with that fallacy about France hating America. The only thing France hates about America is now at record lows in approval ratings. Seems you have more in common with the French than you might expect.

Re:liberté, eqalité, fraternité (2, Informative)

jsuarezcasana (898941) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085509)

"And thank the French language for having separate words gratuit and libre, to distringuish the meanings of free. No excuse for the open source buzzword coerupting ouyr message there.,"

gratuit = gratuito (esp) = without cost
libre = libre (esp) = free

those languages (fr and esp) are more subtle, english is way to easy
cheers

Re:liberté, eqalité, fraternité (1)

Enzo90910 (547270) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085524)

Not to worry, french people being currently reached by "your message" perfectly understand the two senses of the english word. I suspect this is true for most non-american countries.

Re:liberté, eqalité, fraternité (3, Informative)

Alarash (746254) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085634)

Liberty, equality, brotherhood. The tagline for the French republic. So they have to use free software , or they'd be breaking their ideals. Like "God bless America and the separation of church and state". I'm suprised the French don't use more free software, given their hate for America and the anglofication of their language, of which computers are a big cause.

"Given their hate for America" ? Duh? France doesn't "hate" America any more than any country in the world, and probably like America more than most countries in the world. As for the "anglofication" of the language, well the Elders try to prevent it, but most of the youth use a lot of english words (like "cool", "joystick", "chat"), and a lot of english words are also commonly used ("parking", "joystick", "week-end", etc...). Many efforts are made to keep the french language and culture alive though. And I think it's great because the french culture is good (a lot of renowned book authors or poets for instance). Not "the best culture in the world", because no such thing exists, but definitively a great one.

I used a French version of windows ocne. Only the very front was translated, any error messages, anything practically not visible at first view was still in English.

I use a French Windows everyday, and basically everything is translated, except maybe the Blue Screen Of Death. I think what you saw could be third-parties software error messages not translated. Microsoft actually did a great job (aaar! don't mod me down!) translating their OS's to French (I don't know for other languages).

And thank the French language for having separate words gratuit and libre, to distringuish the meanings of free. No excuse for the open source buzzword coerupting ouyr message there.

Just for the people who don't know: gratuit means free (as in beer), libre means free (as in open source and freedom). So Firefox is gratuit and libre.

Re:liberté, eqalité, fraternité (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085659)

I'm suprised the French don't use more free software, given their hate for America

Yeah, France hates America, that's why they were crucial in securing your freedom from England. Yeah, France hates America, that's why they gave you that huge statue parked outside NYC.

I guess when France questions your foreign policies, it's easier to write them off as having an irrational hatred for America, but in actual fact, it's just because your foreign policies stink.

Ok then... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085308)

je donne vers le haut !

Product support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085310)

So who do they actually turn to when they need software support with open-source apps??

Could be a big flow on effect (1)

intmainvoid (109559) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085313)

This could have a much bigger impact than just 17,000 users. Just about the only time I have to dig out IE is to access some crazy government site that I HAVE to use, but can't get to work with anything but IE. It might not be ideal, but if it becomes the case that Parisians can't pay their taxes or something unless they use Firefox, well that's got to be good for Firefox. After all, after being forced to try it, they might like it!

Terrorists! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085325)

If you go Open Source, the terrorists win! This just proves it!

If the USA were liberating the French from the Islamic terrorists occupying their country, their government would stick with Microsoft.

Microsoft: The TRUE choice of freedom!

Mod Parent Up! (1)

howlingmoki (623659) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085512)

*I* managed to see the humor, sarcastic as it was.

Submitter is a link spammer, does /. care? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085360)

I'm recycling a comment from another AC in another Scuttlemonkey/**Beatles-Beatles post. This guy's getting worse than Roland Picklepail:

Am I the only person who has noticed the numerous stories that get posted by *--Beatles-Beatles? Am I also the only person who has noticed that the link used in is name is a constantly changing URL (depending on the story) with pointers to various scammy sites? Is it not obvious what he's doing? He's using the awesome PageRank of slashdot do promote his sites based on searches that have the word Beatles in them.

It's a small price to pay for free advertising. Find a story, summarize it in 5 minutes, post to slashdot, and get a pagerank boost that advertisers would pay hundreds (or maybe thousands) for. (Text links on high-ranking sites is big business - just ask oreilly).

Slashdot should at least put a ref=nofollow in the links to submitters (or better yet, only link the submitter's name to his/her user page).


In closing, a quick bit of WHOIS shows that all the sites linked by **B-B are registered to Carl Fogle. Carl, cut this crap out.

Re:Submitter is a link spammer, does /. care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085490)

In closing, a quick bit of WHOIS shows that all the sites linked by **B-B are registered to Carl Fogle. Carl, cut this crap out.

But Carl has porn to buy and monkeys to spank! You wouldn't want to deprive him of the revenue to fund his activities now would you?

Re:Submitter is a link spammer, does /. care? (1)

tehshen (794722) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085754)

Or instead of picking out every submitter who does this, why doesn't Slashcode slap a ref="nofollow" on the link? Same link, no spam.

One thing the article doesn't cover.... (1, Redundant)

8127972 (73495) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085367)

....is what has their experience been during this migration? What are the things they've tripped over? This sort of info would be handy to combat the FUD that the PHB's have stuck in their heads.

Also, is this the largest migration to an open source environment that anybody has heard of? That piece of info would be nice to know.

One thing your post doesn't cover.... (0, Flamebait)

NineNine (235196) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085774)

This sort of info would be handy to combat the FUD that the PHB's have stuck in their heads.

So, you're assuming that anybody who doesn't want to go OSS "FUD" stuck in their head? I use very little OSS in my business, and I can assure you that "FUD" has nothing to do with it. If anything, I'd like to see an end to the FUD that OSS zealots constantly are trying to stir up. I can't even begin to count the hours that I've wasted because of OSS zealot FUD. Personally, I wouldn't have wasted hours and hours playing with the OSS that I did, just trying to get BASIC functionality, if not for the zealots screaming about how Linux and other popular OSS apps are "easy to use". Please, take your own FUD and shove it up your ass.

France's use of Open Source (2, Interesting)

David Off (101038) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085856)

No I do not think it is the largest. For example by the end of 2005 the 70,000 workstations used by the French Gendarmerie will use Open Office. This is the biggest French migration. The Gendamerie hope to save 2 million euros per year. 10,000 computers bought since 2004 will have OO preinstalled. The Gendarmerie say this saves 75 euros per PC for an MS Office license.

The Gendarmerie say it is not just a simple question of money. Managing Microsofts complicated license structure was becoming a nightmare for the Gendarmerie - reason alone for the migration.

The Gendarmerie is also redevloping in Java a number of standard VB macros written for word to automate form filling. The idea is to leave open a possible future migration to Linux. XML will be used as a storage format along with PDF and open document formats. Stephane Kimmerlin for MS France says it is not a victory for OO, the Gendarmerie only used a fraction of MS Office's features so didn't really need the power offered by MS Office.

In France the interior ministry will move 50,000 workstations to Open Office, the finance ministry is moving 8,000 PCs to OO, the public works ministry is looking to move 60,000 PCs to OO and Customs have migrated 16,000 PCs to OO and its use is mandatory since January 2005.

Hope that proves useful.

David

ps I've consulted for the French Education ministry for their Antares project - a Java based system for managing recruitment which used JBoss and also Weblogic.

Re:One thing the article doesn't cover.... (3, Informative)

corwin2 (680613) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085873)

This is by far not the biggest migration to openSource in France, actually, the only reason why you see it in Slashdot is because it mentions "paris", it doens't even make the subtitles of French opensource portals. The whole French administration is slowly turning to opensource, currently for instance the Gendarmerie (police) is updating all their 40.000 PCs to OOo + Firefox/Thunderbird, the Tax administration announced last week that they are currently deploying Oo on their 80.000 Pcs and have already registered an immediate 29Million benefit because of it (2006 licence fees), the Police Nationale (the other Police administration besides Gendarmerie) has been using Oo for 2 years already etc. An official from Gendarmerie explained that leaving MSoffice for OpenOffice had an immediate benefit beside the very cost of the licences, they were able to disolve a whole department with several people paid only to make sure that the thousands of Gendarmerie buildings in France (metropolitan and abroad) were using legally licenced MSoffice suites ! Cops were paid to make sure that the licences were all paid instead of working on the street to arrest thieves...

After switching to open source.... (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085384)

The unemployment soared to 30%. Pundents blame the lack of supply chain jobs.

If Paris is moving toward open source.... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085392)

We should definitely change the name to "Freedom Source".

The reason (5, Funny)

mcgroarty (633843) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085438)

The reason France is so excited by open source:

Wait for it...

Wait...

It runs faster.

Re:The reason (1)

suitepotato (863945) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085560)

It runs faster.

I hope this is a joke because I have a 2GHz P-IV w/256MB RAM and with as much stripped down as possible, it still won't burn a DVD-/+R at 8X on-the-fly without fouling up. Fedora Core 3, K3B, everything quintuple checked.

Ever look at the average Linux desktop load and see what is set to run every so often in the background? Ever have Linux grind to a frigging halt in both KDE and Gnome, six different kernel revisions, various software running at each time, and when you go to top you find it is the same mysterious thing that on a Google shows as a common Linux daemon set to update itself and its database every so often?

Happens to me constantly on every box I have ever installed Linux on, every mainstream version. Faster my (...)...

Re:The reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085810)

I hope this is a joke because I have a 2GHz P-IV w/256MB RAM and with as much stripped down as possible, it still won't burn a DVD-/+R at 8X on-the-fly without fouling up.

Umm, did you ever read about WW1 or WW2? I mean.....really. Oh wait, I get it. You are returning sarcasm for sarcasm, tit for tat. Touche

Re:The reason (1)

Jackmn (895532) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085828)

So install Slackware and a lightweight WM. There is no need for Gnome or KDE.

Enlightenment, Blackbox, WindowMaker, Ratpoison, etc all work fine.

You do not have your machine as 'stripped down as possible'.

Re:The reason (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085946)

I hope this is a joke

You hope? Then you go on bashing the performace of Linux (better said: KDE and GNOME. As for the burning: I never managed myself, I blame it on K3B and I was to lazy to learn the command line tools)... Anyways: of course it's a joke!

According to the running joke (excuse my pun) the French always surrender. You know, they "run away" from danger. "running faster is better".

I can't believe that I'm even trying to explain this because I'm a European (though not French) and I absolutely hate that joke...

Not so great in Finland (2, Informative)

Oldsmobile (930596) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085477)

In Finland, my home city had a widely publicised project to start using open source software. In the end, the project was scrapped, with the only thing achieved being that MS lowered it's licensing fees somewhat.

Only a few weeks ago the City anounced it would purchase a new MS software for all of its computers.

This was probably due to proficious wining and dining on the part of MS.

France is evil (4, Interesting)

SebNukem (188921) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085513)

Yeah! Another post related to France. I can't wait for the flow of rioting cheese eating surrender monkey hate posts to follow. Boycott France, United we stand and God bless america.

The French Scapegoat http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/10/19/193648/40 [kuro5hin.org]

(Score 5: Offtopic.)

surrendering France... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085622)

And when you make this reference to France as a nation that surrenders, you are referring to Viet Nam, right? Where France gave up and the U.S. had to show 'em how it's done?

at first I didn't see ... (1, Troll)

Surt (22457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085537)

... how to properly insult the stupid french over this. But then I saw that, really, this represents the french surrendering to our open source power.

Now when you support open source... (2, Funny)

pmike_bauer (763028) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085541)

...you support malaria [slashdot.org] , riots, and car-torching.

Not only that (4, Interesting)

HawkingMattress (588824) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085641)

My sister in law is student in "teacher's school" (no idea how you call that in english) in france.
She'll be a teacher in primary school next year. They have computer courses to be able to teach children how to use a word processor, web browser or graphic editor. What's interesting is that they learn everything on free software, are given a cd full of OSS (for Windows), and encouraged to distribute it around them.
They're told not to use commercial software with children, simply because their parents are not necessary wealthy enough to pay for the stuff at home so it would create ineqalities among the children. Very good idea if you ask me. Now if they could make a program to build very cheap computers and give one to each child it would be even better. But that's a start.

Re:Not only that (1)

slashdotmsiriv (922939) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085800)

Now if they could make a program to build very cheap computers and give one to each child it would be even better You've heard about the $100 laptop i guess...

Open-source . . . (0, Offtopic)

bluffcityjk (909895) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085647)

but closed minds [canada.com] .

riots (1)

senatorpjt (709879) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085753)

Now we know the true cause of the riots. They were obviously financed and sponsored by Microsoft in retaliation.

Re:riots (1)

slashdotmsiriv (922939) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085785)

hehehe, good one, definetely 5-funny in my book.

Solution to the riots ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14085822)

... is Linux!

France, sinking into anarchy (2, Funny)

Abuzar (732558) | more than 8 years ago | (#14085891)

First, they start with beheading a stupid queen.

Then, a bunch of punk ass kids get away with acting out violent Grand Theft Auto scenes.

If that weren't enough, they made the gov't admit systemic racism to boot.

Now they're all going open source? What the $!@# is goin' on? I guess you can really have your cake and eat it too!

I'd pack up, move to Paris and join all that debauchery if I weren't scared piss of the US gearin' up for Operation Liberate France! Them nuke-totin' anarchists will not be allowed to get away with all this terrorism.
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