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Xbox 360 Launches In U.S.

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the omgbbq dept.

XBox (Games) 551

Well, it's here. Braving long lines and launch parties, and even jail time, those that were willing to pony up the time and money have their hands on the first player in the next-gen war. 360 impressions are available all across the web, with [H]ardOCP and Gamespot offering exhaustive experiences for the interested gamer. The BBC, as always, offers a bigger perspective on the launch, and Gamasutra confirms that Microsoft is in for the long haul in the games industry. From the BBC: "Sony and Nintendo are planning to unleash their next gen consoles during 2006, giving Microsoft an edge over its rivals. The software giant is virtually tied with Nintendo for second place, way behind Sony, in a games market worth $25 billion globally. Microsoft has ambitious plans for its new machine. It said it expects to ship up to three million 360s worldwide within 90 days. But the company has admitted that the worldwide launch of the console could mean shortages in the run-up to Christmas. The console is due to hit Europe on 2 December and Japan on 10 December and some retailers are also warning about limited supplies."

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Microsoft is in for the long haul (3, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092583)


Microsoft is in for the long haul

This is where it all falls apart. Killer this, great that, awesome the other thing. Really, the only hype that matters is this:

1. It's another game console.
2. It's going to have some great games.
3. The manufacturer is irrelevent, because no matter what else the box promises, once you're tired of playing the games it'll end up in the back of the closet, covered with hardened Cheeto grease, dust, a few dents from being kicked when things didn't go quite to plan in a game and utterly forgotten until Garage Sale Season.
Microsoft touts this as a brilliant center of home media and that's probably true for anyone who doesn't already have a home entertainment center of some sort. But what the distillate is you're not going to buy it to watch DVDs on, you're going to play games with it. You're not going to surf the internet, you're going to play games with it. It won't transform you into some actuallized renaissance man (or woman) through shear wonderfulness of the Total Microsoft Experience, you will play games with it.

Microsoft is under some crazy dellusion that this is some hook into the household which will bring more fish in. Really, it'll just bring gamers who are only loyal until the next gotta-have game pops up on the next revolutionary console.

If you've guessed by now that I'm not getting one, you would be right. My Athlon64 PC with top of the line video and sound cards plays this game [sourceforge.net] just fine. I see no reason to switch.

"worldwide launch of the console could mean shortages in the run-up to Christmas. The console is due to hit Europe on 2 December and Japan on 10 December and some retailers are also warning about limited supplies."

Argh, the hype! Must resist... must resist!

Oh. That wasn't so difficult.

I wonder how many of these will actually go straight from the store to eBay [ebay.com] because money is more attractive than having one.

It must suck to live in a rural area and have to get your fix this way.

new for xbox 360: uncle steve's chair toss and monkey dance combo! limit numbers, buy today!

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (5, Informative)

sidb (530400) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092629)

I wonder how many of these will actually go straight from the store to eBay

2734 when I checked [ebay.com] . That might be one or two percent of the entire US supply so far.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (1)

JPriest (547211) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092957)

What is the point of paying thousands to get one from eBay and then having to wait for shipping? Why not just pre-order? At worst it would take you 1 or 2 days longer than eBay.

I don't know... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092660)

...I would like to see a TCO report between this, the PS3 and the revolution. I'm seriously thinking of investing in a game console.

Re:I don't know... (3, Insightful)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092862)

Revolution would win hands down:

1. It's rumoured to have a lower price tag.
2. You get free access to Nintendo's back catalog of games (excl. GCN games) going back to 1985.

Therefore, right out of the box, you've got access to tons of games. And if you're in your late 20's or 30's, you probably won't need much more than those games. Throw in a couple physically-oriented games that use that gyroscopic wand and you're all set.

Re:I don't know... (1)

reedsr (891163) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092899)

Could I get a link validating the claim of access to games going back to 1985 ? (excluding GC of course)

Re:I don't know... (4, Interesting)

Zigg (64962) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092907)

Not free access. Many, many Nintendo reps (including president Iwata) have gone on record saying not free. You'll pay. You won't pay much, but you'll pay.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (1)

The Amazing Fish Boy (863897) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092661)

Microsoft touts this as a brilliant center of home media and that's probably true for anyone who doesn't already have a home entertainment center of some sort.

Like teenagers or college kids in dorm rooms.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (3, Insightful)

Ryan Amos (16972) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092738)

More college students have computers than televisions. Most use the computer screen *as* a television for watching DVDs or whatever movies the guy down the hall got off of the internet.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (5, Interesting)

xero9 (810991) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092689)

Actually, I bought an original Xbox not to play games on, but to use as a media device. It really worked great for all the TV shows and movied I snagged off usenet. Simply put all my files in a shared folder on my computer and fire up Xbox Media Center on the Xbox, and watch what ever I wanted on a nice 35" TV instead of my 17" monitor. It wasn't until I discovered Rainbow Six 3 that I actually started to use it to play games.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (0, Troll)

pl1ght (836951) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092699)

I think you are terribly mistaken on almost every point. I did have a HTPC hooked up to my HDTV/entertainment center. I sold it in lieu of the Microsoft Media Center Edition Extender available on the xbox360. They also convinced me to purchase Media center edition for my main Gaming rig. Which i happily will so i can stream all the multimedia content through it and tv etc etc no problems! Sure most ppl here will call me an idiot for buying into the MS web of deceit, but I promise that my setup will work 100% better than anyone elses HTPC setup. Why? Because its the intended purpose. I know people will beg to differ etc etc, and im sure there are valid points. But ( i am a big linux user) I was convinced (rightfully so) to use the XB360 for its "center" of the entertainment room purposes. I think 1 year from now you will look back at your post and realize it is flawed on every level. I know you hate microsoft, but you cant deny how successful they will be.

Actually if you read the HARDOCP review (5, Interesting)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092706)

you will see that this machine really is well done and offers lots of useful features. It is very well thought out and if you opt for the harddrive you get even more options.

I was actually impressed with its ability to work with other devices to include an iPOD and PsP. The nice thing about this machine is that it really is expandable as wireless gives them many options. You will probably see an addon keyboard/mouse combo one day.

There are many of us out here who don't need our PCs to program on, we have them for games, other entertainment, e-mail, and surfing. Give me an insta-on box with those features and I may just consider it. The XBOX360 is actually the first console I am seriously considering because of the potential.

Playing DvDs is a bonus, if it means one less component I have to hook up or keep up with all the better. People harped on the PS2 for the same reason yet I know many who have one for that very reason.

Just because its Microsoft doesn't make it wrong which seems to be your whole beef against it. (who made it)

(allow me to run some IBM style emulator/vpn over the net with a wireless keyboard and I really really need a PC even less)

Re:Actually if you read the HARDOCP review (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092794)

you will see that this machine really is well done and offers lots of useful features. It is very well thought out and if you opt for the harddrive you get even more options.

Yeah. There've been a pile of really well done consoles. I know there were, I just can't remember their names anymore because after a couple years something new and more exciting came along.

Those who must have the XBox 360 are gamers. Nobody is going to stand in line, freezing their butt off for a Media Center when they can get one just fine in a month or two, when the phoney bottleneck is cleared.

Tell me how loyal gamers are to hardware.

In 2 years they'll be multi core, Wi Fi - take it with you and doing stuff that makes this look like an ugly doorstop.

Re:Actually if you read the HARDOCP review (5, Interesting)

HanzoSpam (713251) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092839)

I was actually impressed with its ability to work with other devices to include an iPOD and PsP. The nice thing about this machine is that it really is expandable as wireless gives them many options. You will probably see an addon keyboard/mouse combo one day.

There are many of us out here who don't need our PCs to program on, we have them for games, other entertainment, e-mail, and surfing. Give me an insta-on box with those features and I may just consider it. The XBOX360 is actually the first console I am seriously considering because of the potential.


That's the point I think is being missed. After everything is said and done, the thing is still, design-wise, pretty much a glorified PC. Microsoft has come out with a proprietary platform which they're using the gamer market to propagate. They can gradually add other functionality to increase it's market.

Don't be surprised when it eventually evolves into what amounts to the Microsoft version of the Mac.

Re:Actually if you read the HARDOCP review (1)

Tezkah (771144) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092934)

Don't be surprised when it eventually evolves into what amounts to the Microsoft version of the Mac.

No. Microsoft refused to let people connect keyboards and mice to the original Xbox. Why? Because they don't want to make this become a PC.

This is more trying to be Microsoft's version of the TiVo. Even that comparison isn't really apt, its just a console that wants to be everything to everyone.

Re:Actually if you read the HARDOCP review (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092950)

they're using the gamer market to propagate. They can gradually add other functionality to increase it's market. Don't be surprised when it eventually evolves into what amounts to the Microsoft version of the Mac.

Or evolve into your media box you hook cable/satellite feed into and they dictate how you receive, what you receive and track it all.

I'd honestly be worried, but like I said these things will only be hot for a couple years then it'll be the next big thing.

Another problem with them will be life-span. If you're using it for CD/DVD entertainment then how long can you expect to get parts when the drive stops tracking?

Just go down to the shop with the flickering neon VCR Repair sign and ask, I'm sure in a few years they'll have a pile of these which customers abandoned which they scavenge parts from.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (2, Insightful)

Have Blue (616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092712)

The manufacturer is irrelevent, because no matter what else the box promises, once you're tired of playing the games it'll end up in the back of the closet, covered with hardened Cheeto grease, dust, a few dents from being kicked when things didn't go quite to plan in a game and utterly forgotten until Garage Sale Season.

That would be true except that you seem to have ignored the fact that new games will be constantly released for the system for at least the next 4-5 years.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (0)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092745)

That would be true except that you seem to have ignored the fact that new games will be constantly released for the system for at least the next 4-5 years.

Son. (or Daughter) Lemme tell ya, I've been around this market for over 25 years. Nothing, NOTHING lasts more than 2 years. The Atari VCS was probably the closest anything came to lasting and what a sorry thing that was compared to those consoles which came along and buried it.

It's like denying Moore's Law. In 2 years it'll be something else.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (1)

Soporific (595477) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092828)

I'm not sure where you are going with this but I still use my original X-Box...

~S

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092911)

I'm not sure where you are going with this but I still use my original X-Box...

Expecting any NEW games to be release for it?

Once the new game pipe runs dry you've got a relic. Just like my Sega-whatchamacallit with all those great games I can still play, if I could ever pull myself away from stuff that isn't so tacky.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092921)

What the fuck are you talking about? Are you slow?

PS2 - now quit trolling

a media center (2, Insightful)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092749)

Microsoft touts this as a brilliant center of home media and that's probably true for anyone who doesn't already have a home entertainment center of some sort.

Yup. Its perfect for college students and the like who have to pick up and move every few semesters and share stuff with other people. Why stock up on a lot of equiptment when a XBOX will function as your multimedia center?

-everphilski-

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (1)

Leiterfluid (876193) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092771)

once you're tired of playing the games it'll end up in the back of the closet, covered with hardened Cheeto grease, dust, a few dents from being kicked when things didn't go quite to plan in a game and utterly forgotten until Garage Sale Season

It's been my experience that cheetos tend to leave more of a powdery residue than a greasy one

Microsoft is under some crazy dellusion that this is some hook into the household which will bring more fish in.

We've never heard Sony make those claims!

For the most part, though, I agree. Let the fanboys buy in the first year. I'll wait till they drop below US$200

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092780)

Your "gaming" sucks, you faggot. Your whole posts strips you of your merit as a gamer, thus removing your ability to speak on behalf of any of them. Nobody here buys it, either. The 486DX with a Trident 512K video card is NOT an "Athlon64 PC with top of the line video and sound cards", so go back to playing your little butt-buddy game, because no "gamer" cares about JSettlers. :).

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (2, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092789)

once you're tired of playing the games it'll end up in the back of the closet

Not if it's hackable. If I knew the Xbox 360 were going to be hackable, I'd be more interested in buying one now, at full price. Since it might not be (odds are, even if it is, it will be a much bigger PITA than the Xbox) I'm not buying one until either hacks come out or the price comes down quite a bit.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (1)

metternich (888601) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092955)

If I knew the Xbox 360 were going to be hackable, I'd be more interested in buying one now, at full price.

Yes, but they don't make money off you hacking it. Even at full price, it's still sold at a loss.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (1)

estebanf (814656) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092792)

Microsoft touts this as a brilliant center of home media and that's probably true for anyone who doesn't already have a home entertainment center of some sort. But what the distillate is you're not going to buy it to watch DVDs on, you're going to play games with it. You're not going to surf the internet, you're going to play games with it. It won't transform you into some actuallized renaissance man (or woman) through shear wonderfulness of the Total Microsoft Experience, you will play games with it.

Not true. Your statement doesn't cosider new customers, kids rooms, people with new houses, etc... I'm happy to have another option that include more functionality in only 1 electronic.

The manufacturer is irrelevent

Again, not true. People that want to have a next-gen console will make the choice bases in their past experiences. For me, xbox is far superior than ps2 so I'm sticking to 360.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (2, Insightful)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092793)

There are people who don't have a computer, the internet and don't have a DVD player. Yet, many of these people (I know quite a few) enjoy playing console games on their TV. A device like XBOX360 is perfect for them: they get a game console AND a whole lot of stuff they didn't have before. Quite obviously they won't be picking it up for launch prices, but they will surely come, just as they did with the original XBOX.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (1)

Frumious Wombat (845680) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092797)

So, question (seriously): Why do these things still exist?

You've got a CPU, moderate-sized memory, HD, DVD-ROM, and input-device. Basically, it's a computer, with the user-mangleable parts missing. Why doesn't this come with a web-browser on a disk, a link to (MicroSoft/SONY/IBM) services, and an iDrive (or whatever you want to call it) network storage area for the average home user who wants it for entertainment and light email. No more "home-sysadmin" duties for the average user, and more importantly, no "home-emergency-sysadmin" duties for you over holiday breaks, no more worrying if your data is backed up. Alternately, ship a version of WINCE on a DVD with it, provide Word for Wince as HomeWord (or whatever), a current browser, and once again, one device, two functions, harder to hurt yourself than with a standard PC.

OTOH, why doesn't your PC come with a partition on the drive that when you boot it you choose (PC/Console), and if the latter it boots into a stripped-down, hard to hurt yourself (i.e. the rest of the harddrive is invisible) X-Box mode? One computing device, a couple of input controllers (keyboard/game-pad), and an extra S-Video output on the graphics card. Microsoft could get out of the hardware manufacturing business entirely (and the associated support and shipping channels), and just worry about content creation/licensing.

Why they continue to exist (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092876)

So, question (seriously): Why do these things still exist? You've got a CPU, moderate-sized memory, HD, DVD-ROM, and input-device. Basically, it's a computer, with the user-mangleable parts missing.

They continue to exist because they form an extremely hurdle-free platform to develop games for. Since they are proprietary (i.e. to keep weasels like me from buying them to put Linux on as a cheep piece of hardware) they lock in a % of game sales, which is where the real money comes from. What Microsoft wants is for you to buy into their world in some way, like every household in the world will have one of their boxes which suddenly lets them dictate standards for media delivery.

All Sony and Nintendo want is to make money. Microsoft wants to control your options, like perhaps a benevolent dictator. Benevolent until you decide you can do without them.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (1)

Chr0nik (928538) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092822)

The manufacturer is irrelevent, because no matter what else the box promises, once you're tired of playing the games it'll end up in the back of the closet, covered with hardened Cheeto grease, dust, a few dents from being kicked when things didn't go quite to plan in a game and utterly forgotten until Garage Sale Season.

Or they will jump on board with whatever group decides to start a movement to install linux on it.(which won't take long at all)

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (2, Insightful)

Turken (139591) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092827)

It must suck to live in a rural area and have to get your fix this way.

Actually, by living in a rural area in a poor part of the state, I've found it EASIER to find the must-have systems (well, I've only been here for the Nintendo DS and sony PSP) available on launch day. I'm not sure if the K-mart two towns over still has 360's 'cause I don't need one and don't have a reason to be near there today, but I'm sure that it took them at least several hours to sell out if they did.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (1)

jim_v2000 (818799) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092940)

If it actually looked like something that would fit in with an entertainment system (like if it looked like a dvd player or a vcd, or something that at least looked like it belonged by my tv) I would really consider buying and replacing my dvd player with it. But right now, the white rounded-ness of it just doesn't jive.

Re: Microsoft is in for the long haul (4, Interesting)

nmb3000 (741169) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092949)

Microsoft touts this as a brilliant center of home media and that's probably true for anyone who doesn't already have a home entertainment center of some sort. But what the distillate is you're not going to buy it to watch DVDs on, you're going to play games with it. You're not going to surf the internet, you're going to play games with it. It won't transform you into some actuallized renaissance man (or woman) through shear wonderfulness of the Total Microsoft Experience, you will play games with it.

See, that's the thing. I believe more people than you give credit will use it as both a media center and a game console. Essentially anyone living in a smaller space like an apartment will like the idea being able to play games, watch movies and listen to music--all in high-definition and surround sound--without having a big (and expensive) stack of components.

In addition, the console brings something pretty new to the scene. Now, if you have video or audio stored on your computer you can play it on your 360 via wireless or wired networking. Why try to watch content on your computer from an uncomfortable chair using poor speakers watching on a small monitor when instead you can watch it from the comfort of a coutch on a large TV screen (YMMV here).

Is the 360 some magical gift from God? Obviously not, but in the same token it's not the same game console we played back in 1985. Also, nobody should make it sound like it's a big Microsoft ploy to hype this up as much as they can. Sony is just as bad (if not worse in some ways) about hyping up anything new they release. Nintendo doesn't seem to be quite as bad, but they still do some crazy stuff [1up.com] to try and get attention [vgcats.com] .

Who cares? (0, Troll)

jmony (245233) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092603)

Will this bring peace to earth? It's just a gaming console, nothing constructive there.

Re:Who cares? (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092634)

No, more the opposite of peace on earth. We're going to see people eviscerating each other to get the last Tickle-Me XBox 360 off the shelf in time for Christmas. I'm staying away from places that have them to avoid the inevitable carnage.

Yes. (2, Funny)

mekkab (133181) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092663)

I saw Israelis and Palestinians settling their differences and playing a nice game of Perfect Dark Zero together.

This is truly a groundbreaking new system!

/Got Gamertag?

Re:Who cares? (1)

Surt (22457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092766)

Nerds who play games. I guess this is a sort of news, of interest primarily to nerds. Maybe there's a more appropriate site for this information. Whoever posted this should go find some internet site devoted to 'news for nerds'.

Jack Handy? (0, Offtopic)

paranode (671698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092786)

Is that you? Such insight...

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092852)

Oh, my God, thank you for opening my eyes! I've wasted my life. The software I've been working on at work to make property tax estimation more accurate won't help world peace. Screw it. And neither will the guys painting the house next door, so I told them your little gem, and they've quit. We're all spreading the word, now, and pretty soon we'll get everyone together and go hold hands in the Mid-East and not let any tanks past us. The economy will be collapsing and stuff, but the economy wasn't that important for world peace anyway.

Re:Who cares? (1)

F_Scentura (250214) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092859)

Are you actively doing anything at this moment to better the earth?

Why don't you do that instead of reading Slashdot?

Edge? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092609)

Just like the Dreamcast had, eh?

In short, people will wait for the next-gen offerings from Nintendo and Sony.

The difference is.. (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092666)

Edge? Just like the Dreamcast had, eh?

The difference is, Dreamcasts are still fairly interesting. Seems Sega gave up on it too soon.

Re:Edge? (0)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092809)

It's true. The Playstation 3 has the appeal of being the top-of-the-line, Blu-ray equipped mega-machine for hardcore gamers, and the Revolution is the very affordable little machine for the general public with the cool input device. X-Box 360 is sandwiched in the middle here as an overly expensive middleground machine with no real new technologies other than processing upgrades from its predecessor and some broken backwards compatibility. PS3 and Revo will be able to play all their past games.

Re:Edge? New edge! (1)

Luban Doyle (702882) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092913)

Technological superiority may or may not be included in this product. It's real advantage is that it comes with artificial shortages built into the distribution process in order to create more consumer anxiety and higher levels of desire to acquire one.

This is M$ ; marketing is their forte, everything else is just a product feature that can be marketed. What I'm waiting for is the first virus, trojan or rootkit for this platform.

Re:Edge? (1)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092928)

In fact, Microsoft has helped ENSURE folks will wait and see how things shake out with PS3/Revolution since no regular people can get their hands on one. All the fanboys have had pre-orders since hour 1, and then there is a second and third tier waiting list of just the typical fanboi. The average Joe six-pack won't even have a crack at one until close to the PS3/Revo launches.

So...... (3, Funny)

8127972 (73495) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092620)

....... When will we see a LINUX distro for it?

Re:So...... (1)

kryten_nl (863119) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092690)

In ... 3 .... 2 ..... 1....

Re:So...... (5, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092705)

....... When will we see a LINUX distro for it?

Just before a chair is hurled through your window with a Cease and Desist letter attached to it.

do it and we'll bury you, love steve

So is there a sight for posting pools on the interent as to when the first article will appear on /. announcing a successful 1) Linux install 2) Mod chip ?

Re:So...... (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092740)

Given time I bet you will. There's a version with a hard drive: it will be hacked. Personally I'm not even going to bother buying one of the things until a good modchip and some homebrew apps are out. Of course my current X-Box is doing fine in that regard right now (and I didn't even have to shell out any cash for it - I won it in a free drawing at a Microsoft event. Oh the irony :)).

Congradulations Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092622)

Your hype of limited supply and such has prompted each release location to be complete with flashing sirens and people in police uni... wait, real cops arresting some of your customers while giving lectures to others.

Fry's Line (4, Informative)

DarkHand (608301) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092638)

My Dad works at the Fry's Electronics in Downers Grove, IL, and there was a line around the building when we got there at 7am this morning. I thought there was some kind of early Black Friday thing going on until I remembered the XBox launch date.

Re:Fry's Line (2, Funny)

lowid (24) _________ (878977) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092697)

Or, according to the BBC's "bigger perspective," gamers were "queueing" around the block. Hah. Wankers.

Re:Fry's Line (2, Funny)

ShibaInu (694434) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092874)

I really hope Insult the Comic Dog showed up at an Xbox360 line with a video camera...

I tried to find a store in Maryland... SOLD OUT (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092648)

All SOLD OUT at Circuit City, Best Buy, Comp USA, Toys R Us, Game Stop... Some retailers claim single-digit shipments of consoles to their stores, but I honestly believe that the shipments were much larger, but these electronics store clerks get a fringe benefit of being able to purchase the newest electronics stuff before regular consumers get a chance to. Or maybe they are buying a whole bunch from the stock, then selling on ebay at high prices. So I figure that cuts the actual available stock in half, just due to this inside scoop.

Anyway, I'm going to fire up Call of Duty on my Mac G5 so that hopefully that will quell my itch to play a video game.

Re:I tried to find a store in Maryland... SOLD OUT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092840)

I live in Calgary (super rich oil city for those that don't know) and from the websites of Futureshop and Best Buy there is still stores that have decent stock; I can only imagine that Walmart and Zellers (and other department stores) still have stock because people seem less likely to pre-order in those stores. Now personal evidence may not prove anything, but I suspect that either Microsoft oversupplied certain areas or the 'sell-outs' are spotty at best.

To the edge and beyond (5, Funny)

Dobeln (853794) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092653)

"Some gamers have gone to even greater extremes - like the man who robbed an Electronics Boutique store in Stafford, Virginia in the early hours of this morning. According to US website GameSpot, he held the store manager up at gunpoint and ordered him to hand over two Xbox 360s. Presumably ones with hard drives."

Gee, Microsoft are really taking viral marketing to new heights here. Move over iLoveBees... ;)

MS holding out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092664)

Don't ya think Microsoft has more than enough money to make enough units to go around for the inital launch? Or is it some kind of stunt to make people want it more?

How many did they sell? any preliminary stats? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092671)

Anyone have preliminary stats or educated guesses as to how many they sold? I think on averaqge each best buy got about 50 consoles. Dunno walmarts.

Future news (0, Offtopic)

Gogo0 (877020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092674)

So is games.slashdot.com going to shut down, now?
Without Xbox2 news, the page will be barren until the Xbox3 hype begins... in a few weeks.

Nevermind.

Ridiculous people (4, Informative)

op12 (830015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092681)

Apparently some people are willing to pay over a thousand bucks for one [ebay.com] .

--
For those that haven't gone blind yet (article minus the blinding blue theme): http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/22/174625 1&tid=211 [slashdot.org]

Re:Ridiculous people (1)

NetFusion (86828) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092748)

The winning bid was $2,075.00

Re:Ridiculous people (2, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092829)

Oh my goodness, that thing finished at over $2K. I wonder what are the odds of him actually collecting that $2K? That said, I count 6 unique bidders over $1K on that XBox.

Then again $2K isn't a large slice of the XBox marketing budget. It might be worth it to Microsoft for breathless media reports of XBoxes going for $2K on EBay.

Re:Ridiculous people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092887)

I wonder what are the odds of him actually collecting that $2K?

But he's bound to get the money. He says that if he doesn't then he'll be forced to leave negative feedback. Negative feedback!

Re:Ridiculous people (1)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092912)

Apparently some people are willing to pay over a thousand bucks for one.

Dude, I've seen eBay listings at over $2k, and I've heard earlier in this thread that one has sold for $5k.

My original thesis was this: People's intelligence halves in front of a computer.

My new one: People's intelligence quarters in front of a game console.

I'm at a loss here. Are these the only ones being manufactured? Or is having a new toy now just that important?

and the x-box? (1)

jspectre (102549) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092683)

so. what happens to the xbox now? discontinued? discount bin at odd lots? are they expecting developers to code for the PS2, x-box and 360?

Coat Tails Man! Coat Tails! (1)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092796)

If the hype is to be believed, getting an Xbox 360 this XMas may be a long shot. So what are Ma and Pop who don't really know a lot about gaming, going to do? Why they'll just pick up a regular Xbox of course for a lot less money. There undoubtedly will be some coat tails sales of the first Xbox, even more if they cut prices. But don't expect any marketing of this from Microsoft. PS 2 sales may benefit too, but since the kids will be all, Xbox this and Xbox that, the old Xbox stands a better shot of getting some more sales this way.

Re:and the x-box? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092819)

Sony's still selling the PSOne (small type) so why shouldn't Microsoft keep selling the Xbox?

It launched? (5, Funny)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092685)

It launched already??? Why haven't I heard anything about this yet?!?! The slashdot editors need to get off their asses and help hype this thing a little bit...

Re:It launched? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092826)

I am fortunate enough (sarcasm detectors on) to work on the top floor of one of the buildings belonging to the XBox division (no, I don't work for M$). This place has been a freakin' zoo all morning. Shuttle buses are bringing Microsoft employees from Main Campus every 10 minutes to pick up Xbox consoles. There have probably been a couple hundred given out so far to M$ employees. Balloons. Green carpets. A sandwhich-board wearing dope waving at the gravel trucks as they drive by. Yesterday there were a couple of limos blocking all traffic access.

No word whether or not the employees got company pricing on the hardware or not. But there are sure a lot of them here....

Wouldn't be so bad, if they weren't stealing OUR reserved parking spots (there aren't enough to go around). I wish M$ would remember that they are TENANTS, and they don't own the freakin' building. Grr.

If you're curious where the XBox and Bungie divisions live, here's a Google Maps link below:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=18300+NE+Union+Hill+ Road,+Redmond,+WA&ll=47.678139,-122.096386&spn=0.0 04941,0.012883&t=k&hl=en [google.com]

Long lines == No food (3, Funny)

doctela (889621) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092695)

Wow those guys really must be going without food [penny-arcade.com]

Hmm. (1, Redundant)

PenisLands (930247) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092707)

There doesn't seem to be much new or interesting about the Xbox360 or then other next gen machines (apart from the nintendo revolution). It just seems to have more RAM, faster processor, etc. Thinking about it, what will the next generation consoles do that the current ones (gamecube, Xbox, etc) couldn't? Maybe games will have better graphics, but it seems to me like graphics have gotten as good as they really need to be.

Re:Hmm. (2, Informative)

Theaetetus (590071) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092798)

There doesn't seem to be much new or interesting about the Xbox360 or then other next gen machines (apart from the nintendo revolution). It just seems to have more RAM, faster processor, etc. Thinking about it, what will the next generation consoles do that the current ones (gamecube, Xbox, etc) couldn't?

PS3 - BluRay DVD. That'd be the big one.

Played It (5, Informative)

NetFusion (86828) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092713)

A friend waited in the hype cue at a Wallmart for 8 hours and picked one up last night. Apparently they had 32 to sell and and a line of 50 people. At 10mins before midnight a guy shows up walking the line waving 300 bucks for someones spot in line. Needless to say someone thought having his xbox mostly paid for a little later, rather then tonight, was worth giving up his spot.

But thankfuly not my pixel junkie mate and I got to play it. Overall it seems really solid but out of the 4 games he got, nothing grabbed me. His long wait for a native title that can push this new system to its limit has begun.

Is it me? (1)

Zediker (885207) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092714)

Is it just me, or when they always say how much the games market does it always grow by about 5 billion each time? First it was 12-15 billion market, then 20 billtion 2 weeks later, now its suposedly 25 billion... I still think its around 12-15 billion due to exageration error...

One of the funniest things! (1)

j2asghar (879135) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092732)

My work this morning had an xbox 360 set up to demo the ppc in side. Being the only one that can play games i took a shot at madden 2006 for it. My only real complaint about the game, and i can't believe i'm about to say this, was MADDAN WASN'T IN IT?!?! I didnt hear any of his annoying sayings, which one would think was a good thing, but alas i'm used to it so i felt naked!

WTF? (0, Troll)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092735)

MS came out with a new game system? How come there wasn't any media coverage of this? I'd expect there to be at least some story about on Slashdot even if the mainstream media dropped the ball.

It appears the Microsoft plan is working... (1)

bobcat7677 (561727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092739)

I heard on the radio this morning about how the retailers are already selling out of 360s. Of course all that is by design as we saw previously: http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/03/ 0026241&tid=211 [slashdot.org] . Never mind that it's all social engineering...go buy yours now before they are all gone!!!

eBay (5, Informative)

billybob (18401) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092754)

Lord a'mighty, have you seen how much these fuckers are going for on ebay? Check out the listings [ebay.com] ... one even sold for over 5,000 dollars [ebay.com] (yes, five thousand).... Wow.

Re:eBay (1)

op12 (830015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092818)

Sold to a guy with no feedback. Good luck collecting on that :)

Then again, there probably is someone crazy enough to pay that much. I wish I had thought to wait in line to make a few grand on ebay.

Re:eBay (1)

Frazbin (919306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092833)

Yeah, and the winning bid was made by a guy with 0 feedback. Irritating prankster, or covert Microsoft hype agent? You decide.

Re:eBay (4, Interesting)

tonywong (96839) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092884)

How do you know it's not 2 microsoft marketing employees kiting up the price of a unit to hype it?

The cost of such an astroturfing operation is the eBay listing fees and that's it. Pretty cheap for a lot of buzz.

Just a thought.

Re:eBay (1)

Surt (22457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092898)

Must have been an incredibly dumb rich kid. It's hard for me to imagine how else you have enough spare money to pay $5k for an xbox, but don't see the numerous other options to get one cheaper.

Re:eBay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092902)

Heh, from the $5000+ auction:
Due to the unexpected low stock received, the item will ship within 2 weeks. Sorry

Out first=Clear Advantage? (5, Insightful)

Puhase (911920) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092756)

I'm still unclear about why the fact that 360 is out first is a definitive advantage. I guess they get a chance to take a first crack at the market, but...there seems to be some extremely dark clouds on the horizon due to this early arrival.
1. No HD-DVD or Blu-Ray- whatever happens with this media format debacle, the people with the new 360 out now wont have it.
2. Future Version Product Confusion/Backlash- Because of the above, when they begin to release future updated hardware versions of the 360, the market will be confused as to what they should purchase. Its not a new system, but it has new features this time around. Will there be expensive add-ons to accommodate current owners? Because those who have the old and not the new are gonna be pissed that they didn't get the finished system. This isn't the slim-downed PS2 I'm talking about here. That was a cosmetic change or downgrade option(imho), this will be a complete technical upgrade.
3. Debut game lineup-What lineup? If I don't like sports or shooting Nazi's... not much left, maybe Kameo. Much of the "meat and potatoes" was delayed past X-mas, creating a weird kinda of late winter "secondary launch".
4.All they are competing with is heresay and conjecture-The hard and fast realities of the PS3 and Revolution are still out in the open. So a decision by the consumer is hard to make, because no real comparison can be made. This will inevitably create a bubble of "undecided". Although with how rabid gamers can be, there will always be those too impatient to wait.

I'm no fanboy, I own all three of the current generation and agree all have things about them I like. It just seems to me that we've got a situation here where the 4th grader has rushed to finish his test first and hand it in to the teacher so he can look back at the class and say "I'm done first". Even though he did a sloppy job, didn't fully answer each question and in the end didn't get a great grade.

Re:Out first=Clear Advantage? (0)

devilsadvoc8 (548238) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092920)

Where exactly is the sloppiness? You cite no flaws. From all accounts, the GUI is extremely well done and they fixed the controllers.

No blu-ray? That's a bit picky. Who knows when that debate will end. If they put one in would you have critisized them for picking the wrong one or for choosing one over the other for nefarious purposes?

The future version confusion is pure conjecture on your part.

The lack of headliner games is debatable but is your strongest and most valid critisism IMO.

So you suggest they should wait and see what the PS3 and revolution are doing before progressing. Microsoft is an aggressive company and will not be passive with this. They are going to try to capture market share that evaporate when the others come out. While it has risks you cannot logically find fault with this based on all of your other comments.

The stages of profit (1, Insightful)

Mayhem178 (920970) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092758)

Phase 1) Hype up next-gen console, convincing all those gamers that it really is worth having.
Phase 2) Release next-gen console, intentionally undersupplying the retailers to ride that "sold out" hype wave.
Phase 3) Profit.
Phase 4) Release all the games on PC anyways.
Phase 5) More profit.
Phase 6) Suckers realize they wasted $400 on a console whose games are coming out on PC anyways.
Phase 7) "Leak" (a.k.a. plant) information about the NEXT next-gen console onto the web.
Phase 8) Return to Phase 1.

I admit it (-1, Flamebait)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092759)

I admit it--I hate this console because it's from Microsoft. It's true. There are some other factors, but I'll sum it all up:

1.) I hate that this is just Microsoft's lame attempt to further their platform into the living room. Microsoft sooo does not belong in the game console market. They make Office software, for Christ's sake. Thank goodness Apple got their shit together and ran away with digital media via the iPod, or else Microsoft might have had a greater chance at conquering the living room. Right now, it's not looking too good for them.

2.) The first X-Box was just a PC in a box. Literally, opening it up revealed standard PC parts. That they duped an entire market into buying it astonishes and frustrates me. The articles I've read have stated that the X-Box 360 is still very PC-like, but at least it's smaller this time.

3.) The name is stupid and personifies what I hate about this machine and its community. Microsoft's marketing drones, in trying to decide how they'd market to drooling middle school gamers, thought "Well, gee, they'll see the '3' after Playstation 3 and think it's better than the '2' after X-Box 2. But we can't call it X-Box 3." Then they turn to their young, "dynamic" new guy they hired from an MTV marketing firm. "What would sound hardcore and hip to the kiddies?" "I've got it! It's better than 3, because it's 360!!!" And thus, a stupid market-drone name, X-Box 360, was born.

4.) The game library will mostly just be PC ports and Playstation ports. Another reason I wonder why anybody ever bothered with the original X-Box.

5.) It's more of the same. Same kind of controller as before, graphics that aren't as impressive as I was imagining "next-gen" to be. Even the shills on G4 were giving grades of "B" and "B-" to this thing. At least with the Playstation 3, it has the appeal of being the absolute top hardware and will have "edgy" new things like Blu-ray, and the Nintendo Revolution has the appeal of being the cheapest with the coolest new input device. They have their markets to appeal to. X-Box 360 is in the middle here.

6.) Again, it's Microsoft just trying desperately to further their platform. What annoys me is that they'll use all their billions of marketing dollars to blast this into everybody's faces as hard as they can, regardless of the console's actual quality. Instead of letting the product sell itself based on its own value, as other companies do (a cliched example, but see Apple and its iPod...all Steve Jobs had to do was hold up an iPod nano to the camera, and everyone was SOLD on it), this thing is just a shareholder-driven profit grab initiated by managers looking for new markets to "get a hold on," and not a genuinely fantastic product from a company that actually makes games and game consoles and belongs in that market.

Poorly Managed Release. Traders making money. (4, Interesting)

managedcode (863136) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092768)

Disappointed lot of gamers. Release was very poorly managed with just 20 pieces for every store. Whether Microsoft made money or not, eBay and speculators are making money. The latest Winning bid: US $2,225.00

Sony should lower the price of PS2 to $99 (4, Interesting)

Sundroid (777083) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092784)

partly to offer some kind of counter offense against Microsoft's Xbox 360 blitz, partly to rehabilitate itself from the DRM rootkit mess.

My original XBox is fine (1)

drdewm (894886) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092790)

My original XBox with mods is working perfectly so I think until they stop making the games for it I will be hanging on to it. The HD game play is slightly attractive but not enough to re-invest a boat load of cash and time into.

sony audio cd? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092824)

if you play a sony audio cd in it.. does it install it's rootkit?

what a tough decision..

we hate MS because their evil..
we now hate sony because their evil..

nintendo games suck because they're not evil..

what's a geek to do.

just say NO to Sony? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092825)

Is that the answer, then? don't buy a PS3 if you want to send a clear signal to Sony that their recent actions will not be tolerated.

or do you not really care when faced with the prospect of not having your precious game console?

I hope this drive Linux dev for PPC (2, Interesting)

rindeee (530084) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092843)

My sincere hope in that the console makers are moving to PowerPC arch is that this will increase the pace of Linux dev for 64bit PPC architectures. There has been a lot of good work done, but the pace has been a little slow. I'm not much of a gamer, but this is one of the many benefits that gaming brings to other markets.

My problem with gaming... (4, Interesting)

jferris (908786) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092872)

...still holds true for the Xbox360. I am not a graphics whore, so Microsoft isn't offerring anything of interest to me. I own a DVD player, I already have a computer, and I don't plan on getting HDTV to have prettier games. At least Nintendo is attempting to innovate. And if their innovation doesn't pan out, they have a fallback plan - in that there will be an "accessory" for the Revolution that will allow you to use the new controller in some sort of an "old fashioned" controller shell. As for the PS3, it is going to be awfully powerful - and that is really all I know for sure about it. The problem here is not me, as a gamer, saying "Make me a prettier game!". It has come down to me saying "Make me a game that will take longer than a weekend to beat. And don't do it by requiring me to power up characters for no other purpose than to burn time or placing impassible FMV sequences in the fifteen minute or more range (are you listening Square Enix?)."

Smashed already (1)

tuxnduke (665112) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092877)

One got smashed right after the launch just like promised: smashmyxbox.com [smashmyxbox.com] ... Few low-res images available now, some video footage promised 23rd and longer videoclip 26th this month..

"giving Microsoft an edge over its rivals" (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14092888)

The same "edge" Sega grabbed last time and the time before that, just before they crashed and burned, right?

360 - 31 dupes (since Nov 1) = 329 dupes to go (-1, Offtopic)

Ranger (1783) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092897)

Slashdotters must have a serious woody [slashdot.org] for the Xbox 360. Once again proving that the only kind of box most slashdotters get any action from is a game console.

I tried getting one! (1)

andrelix (873009) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092917)

I did my best to knock over old and feable people at Costco almost an hour ago to no avail! Damnit, no 360's today there. But what I did see, in little old Medford, Oregon is a strong demand and I am sure this is the case all over the country. I hear people complaining because Microsoft built it, but what I have heard from most people that have actually played it, it is great. Even Dvorak said it was quite nice. I know I want one and will get one after the New Year. I also have to admit that if I did get one today, it would be really challenging NOT to put it on eBay, I am shameless :(

fake shortage may backfire (4, Insightful)

asv108 (141455) | more than 8 years ago | (#14092952)

From all accounts, it appears that Microsoft is trying to create an artificial shortage by only allowing a small number of units to be sold today. I called a few retailers this morning, all of them are sold out. Most of them had less that 40 systems for sale, and this in the Philadelphia area, not some rural market.

While the intended effect is to create a buzz that encourages a christmas buying frenzy, it could backfire just as well. The original Xbox launch had an enormous supply. I wasn't really looking to buy an xbox at the time, but I happened to be in Best Buy 2 days after the launch, so I decided to give it a shot.

Today, Xbox 360's are selling for nearly $2,000 on ebay. Not even a package, just the system. The "shortage buzz" will certainly keep casual purchasers away and I'm sure quite a few people might decide to wait a few months for the ps3.

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