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Microsoft Proposes RSS Extension

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the keep-your-hands-offa-my-calendar dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft Chief Technical Officer Ray Ozzie said this week that his company is working on a new extension to RSS that would help users with different contact and calendar software and services synchronize each other's information." From the article: "If this sounds familiar to those using IBM's Lotus Notes, it should. SSE was conceived after Microsoft's recently recruited chief technology officer Ray Ozzie brainstormed with members of the Exchange, Outlook, MSN, Windows Mobile and Messenger Communicator product teams shortly after he joined."

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GNAA (-1, Offtopic)

tGGnota (932999) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097381)

GNAA Mourns the Death of l0de and the l0de Radio Hour.
GNAA Mourns the Death of l0de and the l0de Radio Hour.
Impi - Political Correspondent, South Africa.

Pentagon documents leaked to covert GNAA agents working for the CIA provided proof that a deliberate plot against renowned shock jock l0de was put into effect to eliminate him. The recent sacking of CIA director Tenant, who was used as a scapegoat, to cover up the great lie perpetrated by the pentagon, against the American people to justify the war against Iraq, prompted disgruntled CIA agents to leak the document.

It was revealed that technology that was developed and refined from the research of alien artifacts from Area 51 was used to create Hurricane Katrina. Similar technology was used against Turkey and Iran when they displeased the Pentagon. Earthquakes were the preferred Weapon of Mass Destruction against those Sovereign states. Hurricane Katrina was then directed towards New Orleans in an attempt to assassinate l0de. The attempt failed.

Defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld was believed to be infuriated at this failed attempt as he has been a target of LRH in the past. He ordered that all aid and military convoys be delayed for as long as possible so that Delta Strike Teams could be dispatched to New Orleans. Five Delta Force assassination squads were disguised as "Cracked up Gangsta Niggahs" and sent in to finish the job.

The Pentagon underestimated the loyalty of the Negro Population in New Orleans. The once divided crack selling factions banded together in defense of l0de and decimated the Delta Force assassination squads. Pentagon moles informed l0de via Jap sponsored satellite phones that President Bush, on orders from his mother, Barbara Bush, instructed FEMA to delay relief aid to punish the Negro Population for their defense of l0de.

l0de, dying of AIDS anyway, promptly committed suicide in a bid to save the remaining traumatized population. His death, thankfully, signifies the death of LRH, they both will be missed.

About Area 51

Area 51 is a NOT SO Top Secret American Military Installation. Operation Karate Rain Urchin, which was created to assassinate l0de, was hatched and conceived here using weather manipulation technology which was retrieved from the Roswell crash site in 1947. Incidentally, Karate Rain Urchin is an anagram for Hurricane Katrina, coincidence?
The GNAA does not think so.

About l0de Radio Hour

Dead.

About l0de

http://www.instantlobotomy.com/ [instantlobotomy.com].


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Michael Sims Fired, Joins GNAA to Troll Slashdot F (1)

lennyhell (869433) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097383)

Michael Sims Fired, Joins GNAA to Troll Slashdot Full Time

FREMONT, CA (TECHNEWS) - After a heated debate at Slashdot executive offices, editor Michael Sims was locked out of the building and departed in a tirade of lisping insults, vowing revenge immediately. This morning, industry sources revealed that Sims has joined the infamous trolling organization Gay Nigger Association of America with the intent of trolling Slashdot fulltime.

In a short phone interview with Technews, Sims asserted that he was calm but resolved on his course of action. "The Slashdot editors and I had a disagreement," he explained. "I did it all for the users, but they..." he drew the syllable out painfully, resting on a case full of Little League trophies and certificates of participation from transgendered dating services, "They just couldn't take my truth. They were -- babies, just babies, oh, the horror, the abomination," he said, before being led away by three white-clad male nurses.

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Slashdot editor CmdrTaco was reticent to comment. At an interview conducted in the crap-filled Ann Arbor bungalow he shares with his wife, to whom he proposed over Slashdot, he said, "Well, you know, Slashdot is just a web site. Michael should calm down about this. But if he doesn't, our corporate sponsors will sue him until he's giving $4 blowjobs on Haight Street."

From the GNAA corporate headquarters, a mysterious floating island off the coast of Newfoundland that few reporters have seen and even fewer have returned from with their sexual identities intact, GNAA "Head Programmer" timecop said he was glad to have Sims on hand. "From what I've seen of his postings on Slashdot," said timecop, "he's a total fag. Which is convenient as all our halfops need anal, and I can't handle the drama. That's what's worst about the net: the drama."

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Slashdot Editor CowboyNeal, who was entangled in a whale net after attempting to swim the English channel, spoke fondly of his former coworker. "Michael always brought a certain passion to the work, a passion that was easily ignited and led to many sweaty sessions in the corporate washroom," he said. "I'm not at all surprised he joined an organization of gay niggers. He always like something different and unique in his pasta salads."

Programmer Seth Finkelstein alleges that Sims is "totally unstable" and agreed readily to this interview. "Of course, I'm a disinterested observer," he said. "But anytime I see that closet psychopath and monkey nut-muncher stealing the spotlight from hardworking programmers like myself, I have to speak up, for the benefit of the people, of course," he said. Technews reporters were permitted to leave the premises only after making a PayPal donation to Finkelstein.

Mike Godwin of the EFF, who balances a career as privacy advocate with his hobby of making videos of teen swingers blowing goats, agreed. "I've never met another editor like Michael," he said. "And, since my regimen of retrovirals is already costing me an arm and a leg, I hope I never do." Godwin mentioned that Sims believes his trolling of Slashdot is providing a "different perspective" that benefits "the broader Linux, er, Slashdot, community."

When Technews returned to interview Sims, he spoke softly and with conviction. "They don't have the interests of the user community at heart," he said. Suddenly he was pounding his desk in tears. "Those bastards cut off my lifeline, my raison d'etre," he sobbed. His voice and eyes became clear, a hatred burning behind the lenses. "I'll crapflood every Linux kernel update from now until oblivion. They haven't heard the last... of Michael Sims," he said.



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  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
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Yay! (4, Funny)

dduardo (592868) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097388)

Embrace and Extend!!

Re:Yay! (4, Interesting)

Utopia (149375) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097410)

The RSS standard itself allows for extensions.
The extensions themselves can be standardized.

Re:Yay! (1)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097664)

Are the standardized extensions allowed to be patented into oblivion? I mean, think about who we're talking about.

Oh no, not again! (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14098010)

Isn't there RSS stuff that already does this? Like RSSCalendar [rsscalendar.com] for the last while or so? (Mind you, I don't see any links to technical information or protocols, so if they were hoping to keep people locked into their own little "capture eyeballs" business model .. oh well.)

Re:Yay! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14097990)

Microsoft has once again missed the bandwagon, so their only solution is to ruin it.

Why do they have to use RSS to do all this stuff? Can't they come up with something which is similar to RSS but call it a different name like RCS (Really Complicated Syndication), that way they get they want and everyone else on the planet remains happy.

Obligatory (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14098030)

That's no extension. IT'S A TRAP!

Embrace and extend (4, Funny)

ThatGeek (874983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097393)

Microsoft's motto is embrace and extend.

It embraces like a boa constrictor, and then extends like a medieval torture rack.

Microsoft, sit down, and let's hear from someone else.

Re:Embrace and extend (4, Insightful)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097498)

Right. So anytime Microsoft looks to add to an open-standard (you know, the thing open standards are meant to enable) they shouldn't be allowed? Wow, talk about openness. It's open for everyone, except those we dislike.

Yes, Microsoft does have a habit of destroying standards by extending them. But they're going to do this regardless. They might as well work through a standards committee, and there isn't any indication that this will result in a proprietry product becoming part of the standard. Is there any reason other then "Cause Microsoft is evil" to not consider adding this extension to the standard?

Re:Embrace and extend (1, Insightful)

pnatural (59329) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097543)

So anytime Microsoft looks to add to an open-standard (you know, the thing open standards are meant to enable) they shouldn't be allowed?

Correct.

Wow, talk about openness. It's open for everyone, except those we dislike.

It's open for everyone, except those whom have repeatedly shown their distain for standards and for those whom have repeatedly and purposefully corrupted the standards process with the expressed intent of extinguishing said standards.

Re:Embrace and extend (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097656)

Yeah,

While they could feasibly pull an exchange like variant with RSS their new tactic is a little more effective. I full expect to see their lovely new patent axe brought out on this one.

Sure, you can touch it, taste it and even change it a bit... just be careful because the axe can fall at any time.

At this point in the game, anytime anyone hears Microsoft talking about standards and services it is quite normal to watch everyone worry just like Oliver asking for more porage. (You notice he didn't ask a second time)-

Rambus, anyone? (4, Interesting)

Urusai (865560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097679)

Didn't they work on an open JEDEC standard, only to turn around and patent it before finalization? Perhaps Microsoft will have an RSS patent ere long?

Sharpen and poke. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14097726)

"It's open for everyone, except those whom have repeatedly shown their distain for standards and for those whom have repeatedly and purposefully corrupted the standards process with the expressed intent of extinguishing said standards."

C#

Re:Embrace and extend (4, Interesting)

node 3 (115640) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097859)

It's just one of those things where you have to defer to reality.

Yes, theoretically, Microsoft could act responsibly and cooperatively with regards to a public standard. However, given MS's past (ie: the reality of Microsoft), it makes sense to be extraordinarily skeptical of the outcome here.

It's like this, you have this public well in the center of town, and anyone can come and take a drink, and can volunteer to help maintain and operate the well. There's one guy in town, Prince William the Third, who is known for taking free, public services and corrupting them, selling them, and otherwise claiming such things are immoral because they don't make anyone any money. He's gone into the public park, cordoned it off and charged people to play in his area. He's set vermin free in the communal corn fields. And at the local mercantile, he always takes a penny, but never leaves a penny.

So you see him heading to the well with a large bucket and a drill... Do you think he's going to:

A. Drill holes into his large bucket to loop the rope through, giving to the town a larger bucket making it easier for them to bring up water.

or

B. Fill up his big bucket, then drill a hole into the current bucket about halfway up to make using the public bucket a bit more difficult, and oh, btw, you can buy some water from his huge bucket.

Yeah, maybe this time MS will play fair. I wouldn't bet on it. In fact, I'd say it's extremely foolish to think they'll do anything other than subvert the standard in a way that's designed to most benefit them. That's just what they do. Every single action MS makes is designed to give them the most competitive advantage they can get. There's nothing terribly wrong with this, just don't be so naive as to pretend they're even remotely likely to do otherwise.

It's not that we hate MS, so we don't trust them, it's that they've lost our trust, so we hate them. They could easily earn it back. IBM did it, Apple did it. Hopefully, some day MS will do it, too.

Hopefully this will all work out for the best, but skepticism is definitely called for.

Microsoft forfeited their "rights". (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097893)

Well, it may be a valid question: Are there behaviors that would qualify for reason that Microsoft had forfeited their "rights"? Microsoft is not and will never be a friend of anything "open", so are we obligated to play with them at all? If someone hurts you over and over again, maybe they no longer have equal rights? Equal rights to continue hurting you, perhaps?

Let the fox in the hen house because to keep them out would be "discrimination"? Get real.

Re:Embrace and extend (2, Funny)

bergeron76 (176351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097588)

Microsoft has equal rights to any US Citizen and they should have their voice heard.
US Corporations have to fight like hell these days to get their voices heard by Congress, and it's just unfair to not grant them equal rights! You progressives are all about "civil liberties, blah blah", so why don't you unite this country and [wait] Hey look! - There's a WAR over there...! I'm pulling for the guys in the grey outfits!

w00t - Go Longhorn Devils!

Embrace, extend, and ejaculate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14097678)

Just like a rapist.

Re:Embrace and extend (1)

HiThere (15173) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097685)

If standards are patented, then the patent has been dedicated to the public. Specifications can be patented, I suppose, but standards are supposed to be the way we agree to do things...and if someone holds an official government approved and enforced monopoly (i.e., patent) on the "standard", then it can't be the way that we agree to do things.

So, no, I don't trust any "standard" that MS proposes. I'll wait a few years before I think about using it...long enough that I believe the doctrine of latches and estoppel will protect me.

Re:Embrace and extend (1)

koko775 (617640) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097798)

More accurately, ignore, deny, then embrace and extend. I talked to a Microsoft employee & Caltech graduate at Anime Expo 2005, who said that Microsoft's attitude towards RSS was that it was extremely flawed and would hurt the internet to promote.

But if I recall, he also said that Microsoft was watching RSS, and that its popularity might force MS's hand. It seems that after noticing and disliking RSS, it's finally getting around to using it -- but, of course, with no love for standards.

It's not really so evil as it is sinister -- Microsoft defines the standards because it is big, and Microsoft is big because it defines the standards. With the increasing usage of Firefox I hope we can break away from this vicious cycle. Besides, Microsoft "channels" (in IE 4 or 5 I think) were never any good, anyway.

Cha? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14097395)

Why must they add their own custom extension to everything? It seems their behaviour (almost) always ends up leaving security holes in people's machines.

Re:Cha? (4, Interesting)

Trigun (685027) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097815)

You have to realize that Microsoft attracts the best and the brightest. That's not the best and the brightest programmers, but the best and the brightest managers, and the best and the brightest lawyers. Even if the programmers come out with the digital version of sliced bread, the managers will do what they do best and departmentalize the task, impose deadlines, and micro-manage. The Accountants will decide how to best make a profit off of this work. And the lawyers will implement it to ensure that there is nothing free or open about it.

It's not just Microsoft, it's business. The sad fact is that Microsoft is even better at business than it is at programming.

RSS Stuff (5, Interesting)

jimmyhat3939 (931746) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097397)

I can't stand it when they reuse acronyms. As every coder knows, SSE stands for Intel's follow-on to MMX ("streaming simd instruction set"), not "simple sharing extensions". Agh.

Personally I think this is an example of a good technology (RSS) that Microsoft is trying to co-opt by coming out with something marginally "better" -- mostly just more complex -- so they can attain some elements of control over it.

Oh and one other thing - they're basing it on the ideas underlying Exchange and Lotus Notes? I can't wait to see this one.

Re:RSS Stuff (1)

Jules Mercuri (921249) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097760)

I would think that that would be S(treaming)S(IMD)I(nstruction set), but I guess that was taken by "server-side includes"? Argh, the acronym wars never end!

Re:RSS Stuff (4, Interesting)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097827)

Personally I think this is an example of a good technology (RSS) that Microsoft is trying to co-opt by coming out with something marginally "better" -- mostly just more complex -- so they can attain some elements of control over it.

RSS is the absolutely height of simplicity. While that simplicity works for getting it out there and initially adopted, it does toss a wrench in it being a sustainable, growing technology. RSS is definitely showing signs of weakness (and the "next geners" are already chomping at the bit to switch to ATOM. I believe Google already tried to kill RSS), but thankfully it was built to support extensions (primarily just by supporting XML namespaces, but extensions were a part of the initial design).

I rashly proposed my own simplistic extension to RSS [yafla.com] to great improve the mechanical interpretation of RSS entries in certain domains.

Why wait? (5, Insightful)

spideyct (250045) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097929)

>I can't wait to see this one.

You don't have to wait, it is already published. Instead of just spouting off, go read the spec and judge it on its technical merits, instead of adding another needless me too "MS sucks so this must suck" post.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/xml/rss/sse/ [microsoft.com]

Then come back and give a reasoned opinion about the flaws in the proposed extension.

dugg this one up last night (0, Offtopic)

xoip (920266) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097404)

Someone else Found it on the digg [digg.com]_

Re:dugg this one up last night (4, Funny)

thenetbox (809459) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097453)

and by "someone else" you mean someone with the digg username xoip which happens to be your slashdot username? Not only did he beat slashdot but he also stole your nickname.

gasp! that dastardly fellow!

Re:dugg this one up last night (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14098003)

He reads Digg.com, you can't expect him to be intelligent.

Small but important correction... (2, Insightful)

Darth Maul (19860) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097409)

...would help users with different contact and calendar software and services synchronize each other's information.

Here, let me help you with that. I think what you really meant was this: ...would help users with different Miscrosoft contact and calendar software and services synchronize each other's information.

Re:Small but important correction... (1)

xoip (920266) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097471)

I thought they were going to let all applications play nice and syncronize Just give them enough time and they will screw this one up too.

Re:Small but important correction... (1)

spideyct (250045) | more than 8 years ago | (#14098066)

The parent is a typical Slashbot kneejerk post, that adds nothing that we haven't heard for the last decade.

It is especially juvenile considering the original statement from Ozzie specifically called out that a goal was to work with non-Microsoft products.

"We brainstormed about this "meshed world" and how we might best serve it - a world where each of these products and others' products could both manage these objects and synchronize each others' changes"
http://spaces.msn.com/members/rayozzie/Blog/cns!1p yct_cYtbBtOBPDVAumMEdw!175.entry [msn.com]

MS: "I like oranges"
You: "I think what you really mean was.. you don't like oranges!" bwahahaha, high five guys!
Slashdot: Burn! Man, that was insightful! High five!

Awesome! (2, Funny)

Eightyford (893696) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097418)

I hope they do as good a job with RSS as they did with HTML! Actually, to be fair, Netscape was just as bad with that. But I did like the scrolling better than the blinking.

Re:Awesome! (2, Informative)

Phroggy (441) | more than 8 years ago | (#14098093)

Please keep in mind that Microsoft invented AJAX, without which things like Google Maps and GMail wouldn't be possible.

Personally, I'm glad Microsoft is proposing a standard extension to RSS, instead of using their own proprietary format or protocol for this sort of thing. If you were trying to make a piece of third-party software interoperate with Exchange or Outlook, wouldn't you be glad too? Instead of trying to reverse-engineer some weird proprietary format, somebody will just extend the RSS libraries already available for your language of choice and you'll be able to use those (I expect XML::RSS::MSExtThingie will show up on CPAN within about 15 minutes of this new standard being published, and you'll be able to compile it into the next version of PHP).

Pointless (3, Interesting)

Kickboy12 (913888) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097423)

If this software/service follows the same trends as the rest of their products, Microsoft will once again be punted by somebody who takes the same concept one step further. Futher more, Microsoft will some how find a way to make this peice of software so insecure that sombody from India will be able to edit your RSS files. Then Microsoft will claim blasphemy and be yelled at by screaming Linux geeks.

Erego; pointless.

Re:Pointless (1)

ggvaidya (747058) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097788)

Microsoft will some how find a way to make this peice of software so insecure that sombody from India will be able to edit your RSS files

That's not too bad; we only really need to worry once it gets easy enough for an American to do it ... :P

Improvements (2, Funny)

WookieinHeat (713672) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097439)

MS will make this better the same way they make everything else better, by adding stuff on top.

I think their moto should be "if its broke, pour some paint on it so you don't see that part!"

Bloat...? Whats that?

Re:Improvements (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097615)

The proper form of the motto is:

Putty and paint makes up for what a carpenter ain't.

KFG

Microsoft extensions? (2, Insightful)

saskboy (600063) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097460)

May I point out that when IE extended the abilities of the WWW, we ended up with worms and exploits up the wazoo. Is RSS relatively safe as it is now, and if so, why muck with it? Just what we'd need is a worm that can exploit a technology designed to deliver new information to everyone at once.

Re:Microsoft extensions? (2, Insightful)

Nebu (566313) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097549)

It's not inordinately difficult to make an extension safe. I mean, CSS has also extended the abilities of the WWW without introducing any new exploits.

I don't think Microsoft is planning on turning RSS into a Turing Complete language or anything.

Re:Microsoft extensions? (3, Interesting)

saskboy (600063) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097590)

We all thought JPG, PNG, and MP3 were safe file types, but that turned out to not be the case when you used a vulnerable standard viewer. Adding more stuff introduces more risk. We have to ask is the added usability worth the mild risk?

Re:Microsoft extensions? (5, Insightful)

Nebu (566313) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097646)

The vulnerabilities that you are referring to are called "Buffer Overflow Attacks", and it has nothing to do with the format. The problem lies with the viewers. Even TXTs can have buffer overflow attacks injected to them, though no TXT viewer is known to be supceptible yet.

Re:Microsoft extensions? (2, Insightful)

shinghei (594639) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097665)

It's probably not the standard itself that is vulnerable. It's the IMPLEMENTATION of the standard.

Re:Microsoft extensions? (1)

Yhippa (443967) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097688)

Hopefully this will be a little different as RSS readers seem to be fragmented. That is, there doesn't appear to be "One Reader to Rule Them All." We actually have a choice in this matter. Microsoft had IE automatically installed on the majority of the world's computers, so developers created their code to work with that.

Kerberos (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14097463)

Any bets this extension to RSS will be like what they did to Kerberos? It will be incompatible will existing RSS implementations. Any details will have to be reverse engineered or require immense community pressure to have disclosed.

And sombody better cross reference this to Microsoft's patent filings.

Re:Kerberos (2, Informative)

thparker (717240) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097647)

Any details will have to be reverse engineered or require immense community pressure to have disclosed.

You mean the sooper sekrit details posted here [microsoft.com] under a Creative Commons license, which was linked in TFA?

Listen, I'm not prepared to take everything they say at face value, but this is probably a step in the right direction. We have an instance where they've proposed this extension and published it, for anyone to use.

Now, someone more technical than me will have to review what they've published and comment on what, if anything, it screws up.

Re:Kerberos (1)

buckhead_buddy (186384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097865)

Anonymous Coward wrote:
Any bets this extension to RSS will be like what they did to Kerberos?
It's probably related to security. It'll allow users to "subscribe" to the latest set of exploits automatically. Users won't have to depend on infected emails or auto-run programs on CD's.

Re:Kerberos (2, Insightful)

Dr. Sp0ng (24354) | more than 8 years ago | (#14098001)

Heh. there are so many incompatible and somewhat-compatible versions and implementations of RSS out there that they can't make the situation worse (actually, they're actively trying to clean up the RSS scene by making IE7 reject malformed XML... that'll make a whole lot of people fix their shit real quick).

Translation! (4, Funny)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097483)

Bill: "Basically, RSS is a technology we have little marketshare in and we'd like to alter to give us a chance to catch up. Eventually, of course, we will monopolise the technology bastardizing it until only our RSS reader, Internet Extreme Explorer, is the only tool that will correctly read it. What? Not a good idea? I thought it was fresh!"

Re:Translation! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14097621)

Replace RSS with OpenGL and DirectX with IXE (Xtreme, because X is more popular than E)and I'm hearing deja vu - oh how horrible a world it will be when MS bastardizes every new technology like they did OpenGL.

we can predict that... (4, Insightful)

penguin-collective (932038) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097494)

Microsoft's "new" RSS format will be XML based, it will turn out in six months that they have filed a patent on it, they will offer a RAND license, they'll submit it as an ECMA standard, and they'll proclaim that it's open. Microsoft will recruit Apple and Oracle to sign up for "free" licenses of their "standard" and proudly announce their adoption of it.

And then Microsoft will try to create FUD (through strategically placed speakers) within the open source community whether it is really possible for open source software to implement their "open" standard. They'll do this in an effort to scare away commercial users from adopting open source software based on the "open standard".

That way, they'll try to achieve the appearance and widespread adoption of an "open" standard while still interfering with its open source implementation.

why? (5, Interesting)

soapdog (773638) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097520)

Why use RSS for that when vCard and iCalendar specs already cover that and are implemented by many groupware suites out there. The RFCs cover from HTTP transport of calendar and contact data as well as other MIME enclosures... And it's a simple and elegant format, it's not XML based but it works! Why reinvent the well this time? more info on vCard and iCalendar at http://www.imc.org/pdi/ [imc.org]

The real question is why not something else (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14097699)

Why use RSS for that when vCard and iCalendar specs already cover that and are implemented by many groupware suites out there. The RFCs cover from HTTP transport of calendar and contact data as well as other MIME enclosures...

You may not be that familiar with MS' tactics in the past. If you want to get your name in everything you have to act like you "contributed" to it. For them to add to an open standard they want to make it look like they proposed new features directly as opposed to a behind-the-scenes addition (open source itself isn't in it for the glory, though it comes naturally) that wouldn't help them out in publicity. I propose Microsoft does an upgrade to Internet Explorer (either 7 and/or more version 6 fixes) in light of the many recent exploits instead of trying to get their hands into more technologies...or perhaps IE 7 will be based on their implementation of RSS? Oh wait maybe I saw this on MSDN recently...

I am down to about 60/35 (Safari for the other 5%) usage with IE barely being used more than FF . Looking forward to seeing integrated RSS in IE7 (I'm sure this will be just one of many features) Quote [msdn.com]

Or perhaps, The aggregator allows users to subscribe to feeds in both RSS and Atom formats; suggests and organizes popular feeds; and connects directly to MSN Search, saving a user's search history. No word yet on how or when MSN plans to commercialize the aggregator. The MSN RSS Aggregator [microsoft-watch.com].

It seems so much clearer now that the rain is gone! Definitely makes me think MS has something up that they aren't telling people

Re:The real question is why not something else (1)

soapdog (773638) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097783)

I just looked on the spec for iCalendar... and a Microsoft Engineer is one of the authors... So this is not a case of "not invented here". Heck, I just can't understand this kind of move, but it does not surprises me

Re:why? (2, Interesting)

Thundersnatch (671481) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097717)

Outlook & Exchange Server already support vCard and iCal. I think there must be something more to this RSS stuff. Group calendaring is specifically mentioned (which iCal does not support AFAIK).

profit ??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14097566)

1. Extend RSS

2. ...

3. profit??

RDF (3, Interesting)

SWroclawski (95770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097585)

RSS is a form of RDF, and so this idea of an "extension" is a little both misleading and confusing.

Part of the point of RDF is that you can embed lots of vocabularies in a single document. You can say, for example, that a RSS publisher has an attribute FoaF document, or even arbitrary FoaF properies. Or you could use an RDF version of vCard, or RDF iCal...

That's all been part of the Semantic Web for a long time.

It seems that instead of the standards, the proposal is for yet another complete extension from Microsoft.

I think RDF needs help getting the full adoption it needs, but based on what Microsoft has done to other standards (Kerberos, SPF, HTML, etc.) I don't think that this will end up being the right approach to fix any problems RSS has.

Re:RDF (2, Informative)

Jerf (17166) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097625)

"RSS" is not a form of RDF. Only "RSS 1.0" is a form of RDF, and it is, by far, not the commonly-used version. SSE is built on RSS 2.0 [harvard.edu] which is not RDF at all.

RSS 2.0 supports XML namespaces [w3.org]. This defines such a namespace. RDF is not involved.

Re:RDF (2, Informative)

SWroclawski (95770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097810)

Fair enough. I was't aware that RSS 2 isn't RDF based.

But even XML namespaces makes any extension like this pretty much unecessary.

It's a shame that RSS couldn't still be RDF... RDF needs more "killer apps".

Re:RDF (1)

Jerf (17166) | more than 8 years ago | (#14098045)

But even XML namespaces makes any extension like this pretty much unecessary.

Uh, no. What XML namespaces means is that Microsoft can declare this extension without any revision of the core RSS spec.

It doesn't mean that they don't need to declare what namespace they are using and explain what it means to other people if they expect other people to be using it and building on it, which is exactly what they've done.

XML namespaces isn't some sort of magic that eliminates the need to explain specifications, or whatever other thing it is you think Microsoft doesn't need to have done, since they done pretty much exactly what they needed to do.

Oh great, just great (2, Insightful)

ewe2 (47163) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097640)

So let me guess: they'll stick binary data in RSS.

Then we have remote execution via RSS, system automation via RSS, a rootkit you never realized was there via RSS. FFS, use the tool for what it was intended, not a hacked-up stealth technology for taking over blogs and putting pretty pictures all over it.

Re:Oh great, just great (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097720)

But text is soooo boring.

I mean why use text emails when you can use 100s of colourful and usually non-portable fonts to liven up your communication :-)

Tom

Any patents yet? (1)

One Louder (595430) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097648)

Any takers on whether or not they'll attempt to patent these extensions, and make sure that they cannot be licensed in a manner compatible with the GPL?

response to the proposal (4, Funny)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097677)

Dear Microsoft,

No.

Signed,
Everyone On The Internet

Give 'em a piece of their own medicine (1)

alfrin (858861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14098052)

How about we just stop excepting their ideas, much like they do to us (or take it as their own). Stop having Linux just play "catch up" with them.

Can't They Use XML in RSS? (1)

6e7a (256012) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097719)

It seems to me that MS could just come up with some useful XML schema(s) that RSS carries, just like it carries HTML markup right now. Why do they have to extend the RSS (family of) standard(s)?

Already been done. (3, Informative)

IGnatius T Foobar (4328) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097741)

Sounds like Microsoft is trying to re-invent GroupDAV [groupdav.org], which is an open standard developed for precisely this purpose. Microsoft just has to be a childish brat and do things its own way.

Creative Commons (4, Interesting)

mikeboone (163222) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097751)

Microsoft is releasing this spec under a Creative Commons license [creativecommons.org]. So perhaps it's not evil, or at least they're doing a better job of hiding the evil part!

Re:Creative Commons (1, Informative)

mbaciarello (800433) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097844)

Too bad I don't have mod points for you, man, and too bad your comment is buried at the bottom. To all the wankers already going off about MS patenting the specs:

Take a look at the licensing information - get to the source [microsoft.com].

Ok, if you really are that lazy, it's a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 [creativecommons.org], which means you only have to credit MS for this stuff, and release your own stuff (plugin/library?) under the same license.

Yay! Another way to get a virus! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14097774)

I can't wait for somebody to find out how to exploit this (and you know somebody will), prompting MS to issue a security patch (but only on the second tuesday of the month) that disables it.

Some kind of sport... (1)

marko123 (131635) | more than 8 years ago | (#14097974)

Some people (people make nasty hurtful decisions, not companies, folks, people) take great joy in fscking nice people in the ear through deceit, and then apologising to them again and again until they forgive them so that they can fsck them in the ear again.

Some nasty people get a huge kick out of this and laugh until they cry if they can get the nice person to bend their heads over three or more times because they can't help forgiving and trusting. It really really annoys me, because I like to give people a second (and third) chance and I get a sore head sometimes.

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