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The 11 Year Soap Bubble

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the need-a-hobby dept.

Toys 259

-Overdrive- writes "Popular Science has an interesting article about an inventor and his 11 year quest for Colored Bubbles" From the article: " It turns out that coloring a bubble is an exceptionally difficult bit of chemistry. A bubble wall is mostly water held in place by two layers of surfactant molecules, spaced just millionths of an inch apart. If you add, say, food coloring to the bubble solution, the heavy dye molecules float freely in the water, bonding to neither the water nor the surfactants, and cascade almost immediately down the sides. You'll have a clear bubble with a dot of color at the bottom. What you need is a dye that attaches to the surfactant molecules and disperses evenly in that water layer. Pack in more dye molecules, get a deeper, richer hue. Simple. Well, on paper anyway."

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Yet another dup... (2, Insightful)

RKBA (622932) | more than 8 years ago | (#14098992)

Yet another dup...

Mad Scientist Invents Colored Bubble [slashdot.org]
Posted by Zonk on Thursday November 17, @03:19PM

Is expecting the /. editors to read the articls they post themselves too much to ask? Apparently so, and emailing the "on-duty editor" is a complete waste of time. Digg [digg.com] is looking better and better...

Re:Yet another dup... (5, Funny)

halcyon1234 (834388) | more than 8 years ago | (#14098996)

Just goes to show that it is easier to make duplicate stories than coloured soap bubbles.

Re:Yet another dup... (0, Troll)

BlkItlStl (919234) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099010)

Now what's really difficult is to come up with new, interesting and original stories.

Re:Yet another dup... (1, Offtopic)

mustafap (452510) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099009)

I completely agree.

I'm beginning to think the slashdot editors read slashdot less than I do.

WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099021)

I don't know about you guys, but over here they're duping ads too. Like this 'Toshiba save up to $675 ad' that's taking up my screen space. Just so the editors know, this is only driving me nuts. I would more likely buy a sony than a toshiba after this.

Re:Yet another dup... (2, Insightful)

myheroBobHope (842869) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099032)

I didn't like Digg.com that much. The comments were more inane (believe it or not), and the stories weren't as well laid out. I think people should just get mod points for stories on a -1 to 10 scale. Posts start at 0 and can be moderated up and down according to relevance. That way dupes get knocked down to -1 fairly quickly. Except by the people who make the "dupe" jokes... which ironically are dupes of jokes they have told early on other dupe posts...

Re:Yet another dup... (1)

Haydn Fenton (752330) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099331)

Ditto. I prefer the commenting system (and the comments themselves) Slashdot has and the story system Digg has. Digg also looks much cleaner, imo, than Slashdot.
Your idea is probably the best one I've heard about getting rid of dupes and slashvertisements without blatently stealing Digg's way of doing things. Recently it seems about a fifth of the stories on Slashdot are taken from Digg anyway (except, of course, Slashdot is at least a day late), just so some Slashdotter can get their name on the front page.

But don't expect anyone to do anything about it, there's more chance of a whelk surviving a supernova.

Re:Yet another dup... (4, Interesting)

Imsdal (930595) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099040)

In all honesty, it should be noted that this was a duplicate on Digg as well...

Also, I noted that the article referred to soap bubbles as "the world's most popular toy". Here is an interesting question for all of us: what is actually the world's most popular toy, and how do one measure it? I'm willing to bet a good amount soap bubbles isn't the correct answer...

Re:Yet another dup... (1)

Janek Kozicki (722688) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099085)

Here is an interesting question for all of us: what is actually the world's most popular toy, and how do one measure it?

well I think it's lego. and maybe it can be measured by amount of time spent playing with the toy? (you can buy something very expensive and play for a very short time, so money shouldn't be the measure).

Re:Yet another dup... (1)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099129)


Here's a few entries for your consideration:
  • The Teddy Bear
  • The Barbie Doll
  • The Slinky

Re:Yet another dup... (1)

Baddas (243852) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099268)

Thinking too high tech!

Bat and Ball are my pick for the winner. Been around as long as we've had round rocks and sticks.

It makes me wonder (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099105)

What was the #2 Article to be posted. It could have been something that would have gotten a great response and worthy of the Reading of the numbers of people on slashdot. But the person who posted it got Rejected, and the story may never reach the masses. I remember my first rejected story "Ultra Sparc Laptops" then about 4 years later the actual story came out by someone else. And the only story that did get accepted was a post about a minor patch to OS X I just happened to be first because my Update OS X came up and while I was installing it I posted it.

Re:Yet another dupe... so what? (5, Insightful)

MacGod (320762) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099110)

OK, please explain something to me, because I've never understood this. What is the big deal if a story is a dupe? It should be instantly obvious from the summary that you've read the article before, so why not just skip it? More importantly, why go to all the trouble of clicking on the description of the story you've already read, hitting reply, and then posting a diatribe about how it's a dupe and Slashdot is going further down the drain with every day and so on.

This is especially true given the often-Libertarian nature of many of the comments on Slashdot. Many a time have I seen comments along the lines of "if people don't like violent video games, they should just not play them" etc. So why not apply the same logic to dupes? You see it, recognise it for what it is, and move on. There are plenty of other stories to check out.

Sometimes, I miss the original story (if it was only posted to games.slashdot.org for example and not the front page, or if I just don't happen to click on the original). In those cases, the dupes are helpful. And they really don't seem to harm anyone, so who cares if they pop up from time to time?

Re:Yet another dupe... so what? (1)

eshefer (12336) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099123)

so true. true with this story, btw, which I missed the first time - I'm glad it was duped.

Re:Yet another dupe... so what? (1)

bogado (25959) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099193)

Maybe slashdot should have a Dupeflag that does not show dupe stories to people who don't want to see them. I think it is good to have dupes, I am not 24/7 watching slashdot and the dupes are normally about something that is hot or something that is very cool, if I missed the first I get to see it again and skip it. If I did not see it in the first time then I am happy that there is a dupe because it if it didn't appeared I would never have seen the post. It happens that this one for instance, that I found very cool, would be lost for me.

You hear it, slashdot maintainers? A flag for dupes and a preference for not showing the flagged articles. I would go even deeper and add preference to show all/show normal/hide all of the sections. The show all would include the articles that appear only in the specific section.:-)

Re:Yet another dupe... so what? (4, Insightful)

popeyethesailor (325796) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099201)

Wow.

Maybe some of us like things to be better?

Maybe some of us think they'll correct themselves if we point this out again & again?

Maybe it's just that we're nerds, and cant tolerate *OBVIOUS* mistakes, especially when it's trivial to prevent?

You know, if you keep missing these posts, you might as well subscribe to the remaining sections too right ?

Just a thought.

Re:Yet another dupe... so what? (2, Insightful)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099208)

> What is the big deal if a story is a dupe?

It's sloppy journalism. It reduces the value of ads, as it puts people off returning to the site if they keep seeing repeats. It's boring, and suggests the people running the site don't even bother to read it. Given the site's nerdy nature it's amazing no-ones knocked up the simple code required to give at least a simple pass over the stories before they're posted looking for some correlation between a new story and existing stories. And it happens very frequently.

Re:Yet another dupe... so what? (1)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099217)

So what? So it's being presented as new news that's what! Flag it as a dupe if you're going to post it multiple times and allow those of us who read here somewhat often to IGNORE it. Kripes the other day they did a dupe that was just three entries below the original posting! I mean really, how bad is it to have a "news" site post two different links to the same story at the SAME time?

I'm starting to like Digg more and more...

Re:Yet another dupe... so what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099311)

So take your vocal minority ass over to Digg and quit filing /. articles with posts that the editors obviously don't care about anyway.

Re:Yet another dupe... so what? (5, Insightful)

zerocool^ (112121) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099272)


Because slashdot has thousands of submissions each day. Every dupe is a story that could have been posted that might have been more interesting.

Re:Yet another dupe... so what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099294)

"It should be instantly obvious from the summary that you've read the article before, so why not just skip it?"

It wasn't that obvious to you, huh?

Re:Yet another dupe... so what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099342)

The reason to mention dupes is becomes it is criticism of the professionalism of the editor responsible.

This is meant to be a source of news, correct?

If the BBC started reporting that Saddam Hussein had been captured tomorrow, they'd lose credibility as professional journalists.

When people point out dupes (or that a story is cleary pesudoscience and shouldn't have made it onto the main page...) it isn't necessarily a bad thing. People stick around because of the community. So I assume they are pointing out dupes in the hope that that will raise the level of professionalism above the critical line of dupes/pseudoscience. Or so that they can say that they tried if eventually they decide the leave the community because of the decline in quality.

I used to read Slashdot. Now I read Boingboing and scan Slashdot. Boingboing covers all the big tech events, and quite often they cover them sooner - when I come here it's for the serendipitous smaller articles.

Re:Yet another dupe... so what? (-1, Flamebait)

EwokMolester (918844) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099363)

SHUT THE FUCK UP MAN!

That has got to be the most retarded post I have ever seen on /. and for some fucker to mark it as insightful shows how crap /. has become.

Technically, when we have a dupe it is 'olds' rather than 'news', ya http://www.digg.com/ [digg.com]?

I'm going to fuck off to digg, hopefully others will fuck off with me.

Laters dudes, it's been shit.

PS. To all those sad loners sat by themselves in their bedroom in their parents house, probably giggling to themselves at the thought of replying to this saying that this was the most retarded post ever. You can FUCK OFF too, in fact, fuck off and get a girlfriend.

PPS. I almost forgot. One last big FUCK OFF to all those guys on here who suffer from the 'unappreciated genius complex' you guys are the worst of all. Sort it out, our you will have a sad and lonely life.

Re:Yet another dup... (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099169)

I'd have to say that the level of dupes is getting to be quite ridiculous. It's interesting that you bring up the editorless model as a contrast. In theory the editor model is supposed to avoid dupes, but Digg is apparently doing a better job. Apparently.

Perhaps given enough eyes, all dupes are obvious?

Something is up with the Slashdot editor system. A lot of good submissions are left to fall by the wayside in order to allow in dupes. I for one would like to take a look at the pile of rejected submission to see exactly what is being left out. For that matter an under the hood Slashback or Geeks in Space, giving the inside story on how Slashdot works might be in order.

The Slashdot Random Story Submission Selection system may be in need of an overhaul.

Re:Yet another dup... (1)

BLKMGK (34057) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099227)

Honestly? Go checkout Digg - I swear I find more neat stuff in their submission pile than I do their ever changing front page. I also see a whole lot of CRAP that is obviously self-serving to the original submitter but I don't vote that up and neither does anyone else.

I too would like to have more insight into the stories being submitted here. Let us see what's skipped (I thought we could actually but have never figured out how)...

Reminds me of a song. (0)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099226)

Dupe, Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl

Dupe, Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl

As I walk through this world
Nothing can stop the Dupe of earl
And you, you are my girl
No one can hurt you, oh, no

Yes, i, oh, i'm gonna love you, oh, oh
Come on let me hold you, darlin'
'cause i'm the Dupe of earl
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

And when I hold you
You'll be my duchess, duchess of earl
We'll walk through my Dupedom
And a paradise we will share

Yes, i, oh, i'm gonna love you, oh, oh
Nothing can stop me now
'cause i'm the Dupe of earl
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe of earl

Dupe, Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl

Dupe, Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl

Yes, i, oh, i'm gonna love you, oh, oh
Come on let me hold you, darlin'
'cause i'm the Dupe of earl
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Dupe (nothing can stop me now), Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe of earl

Dupe, Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of earl

Re:Reminds me of a song. (1)

PakProtector (115173) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099283)

You fail it. Merely changing a single word instance is a trick even someone without knowledge of PERL could pull off.

Stand back, and observe the Magic.

TripMaster who can I turn to?
You give me something that's not duped.
I know you think I'm like the others before
Who saw your name and UID on the post.

TripMaster, I got your UID.
I need to ask for advice.
TripMaster, I'm goin' crazy.
8-6-7-5 Dupes Today, 8-6-7-5 Dupes Today...
8-6-7-5 Dupes Today, 8-6-7-5 Dupes Today...

TripMaster, you're the firstposter for me.
You don't know me but you make me so happy.
I tried to email you before but I lost my nerve.
I tried to orbit, but I was perterbed.

Trip, I got your UID,
I need some good advice.


TripMaster, don't change your UID,
8-6-7-5 Dupes Today, 8-6-7-5 Dupes Today
8-6-7-5 Dupes Today, 8-6-7-5 Dupes Today..

I got it, I got it!
I got your UID off the post!
I got it, I got it!
For a first post, for a good first post call....

Trip, don't change your UID.
I need some good advice.
TripMaster. I'll /whois your UID,
8-6-7-5 Dupes Today ( 8-6-7-5 Dupes Today)
8-6-7-5 Dupes Today ( 8-6-7-5 Dupes Today)

Oh TripMaster, who can I turn to? (8-6-7-5 Dupes Today)
For the price of bandwidth I can always turn to you.
(8-6-7-5 Dupes Today)
8-6-7-5 Dupes Today (8-6-7-5 Dupes Today)
8-6-7-5 Dupes Today (8-6-7-5 Dupes Today)
More Dupes Today
More Dupes Today
More Dupes Today
More Dupes Today...

Re:Yet another dup... (1)

sgant (178166) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099238)

Perhaps they could put into the code that when someone submits an article it does an auto-search of past articles and comes up with a match. Kind of like Digg does.

Also, have it to where anyone can post a story and it will be up to regular readers to be the editors and determine if the story makes it to the main page or not. Kind of like Digg does.

Or better yet, just go to Digg. Digg would be much better if they had threaded comments though.

Good thing I read the comments, (2, Funny)

iamjambon (927416) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099252)

because, this early in the morning, I was thinking it was Thursday again.

Re:Goddamn it! (1)

SolitaryMan (538416) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099267)

Yet another dup...

Explain to me who gives a smallest shit about this article being a dupe or not??? If you've read it on /. before or somewhere else -- just ignore it and move on. I always though this is the natural way of reading /. or any other site or article or whatever. Just don't freakin' troll around here and let people who haven't seen the article before (I haven't) discuss the matter.

Re:Yet another dup... (1)

zufar (603583) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099293)

Yet another dup... Digg [digg.com] is looking better and better... I've tried reading news from Digg, but it seems to be filled with all sorts of nonsense or "no-news" stories. I've also tried "digging" for new stories and got quickly frustrated with the amout of spam, flame, and othr junk submitted as a story. Given the average quality of stories in the "digg area", the sories promoted to the main page are very good. However comparing an average "digg" story to an average ./ story, I concluded that "digg" is not ready yet to be a regular news source.

Re:Yet another dup... (1)

rezza (677520) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099297)

Yeah digg would be great, but most of it's users appear to be immature little kids and (Gasp!) whiny bloggers.

No thank you.

Is it safe? (5, Insightful)

jimmyhat3939 (931746) | more than 8 years ago | (#14098994)

Yes I know this article is a dupe. But I didn't comment last time around and had a thought...

I noticed from the article that the dye they're using is a new/unusual organic compound. They're talking about people using the compound in their mouths (to know how long to brush their teeth), and the company's website shows pictures of kids playing with the bubbles.

But... is this product even safe? I'm not an organic chemist by any means, but it seems to me that you'd want to do a significant amount of testing on any new compound to make sure that it's not going to have any long-term negative effects.
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Re:Is it safe? (3, Insightful)

CloudDrakken (582681) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099016)

"...is this product even safe? I'm not an organic chemist by any means, but it seems to me that you'd want to do a significant amount of testing on any new compound to make sure that it's not going to have any long-term negative effects."

Can't be any worse than your run-of-the-mill organic compounds, like urine or Gatorade for example.

Re:Is it safe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099031)

Urine or Gatorade?

Re:Is it safe? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099043)

Urine or Gatorade?

depends on who wins the super bowl

Re:Is it safe? (2, Insightful)

azav (469988) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099223)

Or Tolulene, Benzene or Hexane.

"Organic" chemistry simply means "with a carbon ring."

Don't recommend eating any of the above unless you like cancer.

Re:Is it safe? (1)

Seehund (86897) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099070)

But... is this product even safe? I'm not an organic chemist by any means, but it seems to me that you'd want to do a significant amount of testing on any new compound to make sure that it's not going to have any long-term negative effects.

Do you have any reason to doubt that there would be a significant amount of testing of chemicals in toys and toothpastes, or why do you ask?

I don't know exactly what lactone they're using. Could be interesting to know, as "a lactone" can be anything from menthol to some cytostatica (anti-tumor agents)... ;)

Re:Is it safe? (1)

jimmyhat3939 (931746) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099097)

Nope. I don't have any specific reason to doubt it. It's just that the article makes it sound like they just came up with the formulation recently, and already kids are playing with the stuff.
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Re:Is it safe? (1)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099126)

Do you have any reason to doubt that there would be a significant amount of testing of chemicals in toys and toothpastes



Well, I found his concern valid.
There is debate wherever fluoride would be a risk to health [holisticmed.com]. Fluoride IS toxic, hence regulation on how much you can put in a tube of toothpaste (overhere at least).

DTT [wikipedia.org] was once considered harmless. People showered in the stuff! Or what about Asbestos? Smoking was once considered harmless and some still do. There are alot of examples [wikipedia.org]like this [google.com], as things only get banned when there have been victims.


There has been proven that the levels of industrial toxins in people's bodies are troubling (through packaging of consumergoods etc). I don't have time to find a link to back that up now though.

Re:Is it safe? (1)

Seehund (86897) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099182)

Well, I found his concern valid.

Well, I wasn't questioning whether this compound or others can or can not be harmful. Neither am I arguing against the fact that things that have been tested and found harmless will be re-evaluated as we gain practical/clinical and widespread experience and knowledge. I just thought it was obvious that stuff in toys and dental products ARE tested, at least that's what it's like over here (Sweden, EU).

Besides, how do we know that the photos of kids playing with bubbles on the website are not from an early test? Anyone recognise any missing orphans in those photos? :)

P.S: Normal DDT use is still considered mostly harmless to humans. (But not if ingested, of course! Still, you're not supposed to drink normal uncoloured soapbubble liquid either...) I believe DDT was banned mostly due to the then unforeseen ecological effects.

Re:Is it safe? (1)

FlynnMP3 (33498) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099200)

I read the article last time and it indicates that the dye chemist the inventor hired spent years developing an agent that can reflect color when the soap bubble is formed and break apart so it effectively turns invisible when the bubble pops. It all had to be made of organic molecules like soap bubbles, water washable, and free of any toxins. Otherwise the big toy companies would not accept the product. The inventor's 11 year quest finally paid off when all of those conditions were satisfied.

Yet, your question is valid and will be asked by who knows how many parents and comsumer advocate groups. The inventor will need to submit his product for all types of testing to expose any lurking danger. As for long-term effects, most of the processed food products today have things in them that will be harmful in the long term. Assuming this soap bubble coloring agent breaks up after 10 minutes and can be safely disposed of (like the article indicates), that is better than most other invented items.

-FlynnMP3

MOD PARENT DOWN: Slashvertisement. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099225)

Mod parent down: -1, Slashvertisement.

Check the guy's posting history. He's slashvertising. This should not be tolerated in any way, shape or form, even if he also says something insightful. We need to send a clear message: if you slashvertise, you get modded into oblivion.

DUPE! (-1, Redundant)

duguk (589689) | more than 8 years ago | (#14098995)

Duped from http://science.slashdot.org/science/05/11/17/22502 59.shtml?tid=159&tid=14 [slashdot.org]

Does anyone actually READ /. anymore? :)

DugUk

Re:DUPE! (1)

majello (643443) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099083)

Ah, no, sorry, we just comment on the comments already posted as comments. Nobody ever cared about the article, but these days you can safely ignore the blurb at the top as well - everybody else does.

cheers

Majello

Re:DUPE! (0, Redundant)

PTK502 (924839) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099151)

Oh goodie colored bubbles, just what i need while working on my next fusion reactor test in area 52 1/3rds.....LOL I wonder if this is a goverment contract? If so im going to go back with my Faster Ketchup proposal and start goverment testing on all brands of ketchup, and see if the English labeled version are any different then the Spanish labeled versions.......

Re:DUPE! (4, Interesting)

will_die (586523) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099312)

Your to late for the ketchup idea.
Since 1952 the US Government has been testing ketchup. Ketchup must flow between 3-7 centimeters in 30 seconds to be considered Grade A. Ketchup that flow closer to the 3-centimeter mark receive better scores. Ketchups that are too thick or too runny receive poor grades.

11 years well spent? (1, Insightful)

lifterx (916661) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099003)

I dunno, I realise that it's unlikely that he's spent 11 years on only this problem, but I can't imagine that there aren't any other problems/topics that are more important that he could concentrate on.

Assuming of course that there are no useful applications of a coloured dye that sticks to bubbles.

Re:11 years well spent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099027)

Yeah, go on then; what have you done in the past 11 years? Cured cancer yet? You fucking slacker.

Re:11 years well spent? (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099033)

If you had read the article, you wouldn't have posted that...

Re:11 years well spent? (1)

lifterx (916661) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099072)

I guess I must have missed it.

Re:11 years well spent? (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099185)

I guess I must have missed it.

He didn't work 11 years non-stop on it. After some of his failures (stained boardrooms), he held other jobs, some in the toy industry, some in completely unrelated fields (software...). From the looks of it, he might have "only" worked 3 to 4 years on the bubble, the rest were interruptions.

Re:11 years well spent? (1)

Seehund (86897) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099101)

He's not an oncologist, nuclear physicist or even a programmer.
He's a guy who invents toys, so I think you can rest assured that research on cancer, cold fusion or a dupe-preventing Search function for Slashduh have not been delayed by these soap bubbles.

Besides, every minute of those 11 years was apparently not spent on developing this product. RTFA.

TFA is more about business than science, anyway.

Re:11 years well spent? (1)

msobkow (48369) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099158)

Don't count on it. One of the famous government wastes in western Canada was a multi-year study on cow manure. Seriously. Not methane production, but manure. *shrug*

But I could imagine this maybe having impact on related fields that work with pressure-molded liquids or semi-solids. I'd think there are similar issues with producing an even coating/coloring for the glass part of a light bulb, for example. Sure it's not that they don't have ways of coating a bulb, but maybe his work might apply to a better way of embedding what is currently a coating, or applying it more evenly, or allowing the use of thinner glass, etc.

Not that I necessarily think it was worth 11 years, but having spent more than that on my own pet project I can well understand someone getting a tad fanatical about something no one else necessarily sees a use for. :)

Re:11 years well spent? (1)

cloudmaster (10662) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099204)

Not that I necessarily think it was worth 11 years, but having spent more than that on my own pet project I can well understand someone getting a tad fanatical about something no one else necessarily sees a use for. :)

Unless, of course, that project somehow involved cow manure? :)

Re:11 years well spent? (1)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099232)

Yeah, he could spend that time bitching on Slashdot about people wasting their time. Sheesh. If you have ever bought a toy, shut up. Someone had to invent it, and you just had to go and encourage the wasteful, pointless, toy-invention industry.

Re:11 years well spent? (1)

cloudmaster (10662) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099277)

He came up with the idea 11 years ago, but in the end, it took one chemist about one year to solve the problem - this guy just had the idea and a bad implementation until he hired someone with "da mad chmical skillz". Of course, the article doesn't really mention the chemist - he only did the hard work part - we should really focus on the guy with the "ideas". :(

Its sad that an anonymous coward has to tell you (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099019)

... that whenever there is a dupe, there are people like the above posters telling everyone that it is a dupe. In reality, their comments are merely duplicates of previous posts. If duplication is really an issue for you at slashdot, either:

a. attempt to become a staff member
b. submit some non duplicated content.

halfway down this preachy tirade, I realize that someone already has probably told the dupe police here that what they are doing, is in fact, duplicating duplicates. So I find myself dubiously duplicating the disasterous duties of other dupe police dislikers.

FFS, talk about the article, say something funny/insightful/etc, or troll around to waste time at work. I'snt that why we come to /. anyways?

OT: Hope that didn't burst anyone's bubble :)

-AC

Re:Its sad that an anonymous coward has to tell yo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099219)

Insight is redundant.

Re:Its sad that an anonymous coward has to tell yo (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099317)

Every time I troll around I get modded down

Example: I told some guy named xlr8ed to "try xlr8ing deez nutz" after he made a stupid response to one of my comments

Moderation -1
100% Troll

I can't imagine why...

Heaven's sake (1)

Cally (10873) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099024)

The rate of at which Slashdot runs stories that appeared on BoingBoing first is getting embarrassing.

Re:Heaven's sake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099050)

That's nothing ... the german magazine Spiegel www.spiegel.de has an online editor who constantly posts stories directly copied from Slashdot or Boingboing I noticed this pattern 4 years ago and it hasn't changed since then.

Re:Heaven's sake (1)

Jackdaw Rookery (696327) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099063)

The same story gets repeated across the whale-like behemoth blogs over the period of about a week. mefi/fark/bb/slashdot/wired and even 'specialists' like tuaw/gizmodo/engadget.

The really amusing thing is, despite all pointing at the same sources and often saying the same things, these big blogs never acknowledge that the story has been on other sites before them.

Slashdot it special though, it'll dupe them again and again.

Re:Heaven's sake (1)

shish (588640) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099274)

Slashdot is a news aggregation site; that it has stories that appear on other news aggregation sites isn't really that surprising :/

Yes, and (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099029)

Yes, it is a duplicate entry because editors don't do their job... and this scientist/inventor/nut is still a jackass.

Re:Yes, and (1)

TrappedByMyself (861094) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099108)

Yes, it is a duplicate entry because editors don't do their job...

You're assuming a Slashdot editor's job is to prevent dupes.
I would argue that their job is to post stories which generate site traffic.
If a dupe is posted which generates a healthy discussion in addition to the flurry of free 'It's a dupe!' posts, then that's a job well done.

why all the dupes (2, Interesting)

drownie (901913) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099079)

We have this nice moderation system ... it can't be too difficult to change the story submissions to a system with checks. I'm thinking about a mixture of digg and slashdot. Just let a group of slashdot readers preread everything and vote on stories ( with a big "DUPE!" button ).

The editors still choose the stories but we have some kind of quality control.

This dupe btw could have been avoided with a little script to compare the text and the links in the story with all the stories submitted in the last weeks.

Maybe Slashcode is a little too focused on the user and should try to work on the editor part instead.

Re:why all the dupes (1)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099144)


You're absolutely right...on all counts.

And yet, such a system as you envision still has not been implemented.

What does that tell you?

Idiots. (1)

LkDotCom (912073) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099086)

I even sent a mail BEFORE publishing to the "in charge" editor about the dupe, with a link.

Maybe using a brain is behind their comprehension.... And "What a useful thing to signal to the editor"!

no dup (5, Interesting)

mennucc1 (568756) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099088)

hi Cowboy Neal, here is my advice to you.
You should add a small snippet of code and insert it into the publication process; this snippet of code extracts all URLs from the href's in the proposed posting, and searches all posting of last 18months to see if they appear somewhere: in that case, a HUGE RED warning will flash on the screen, asking the post writer (and/or the editor) to check that the proposed posting is not a duplicate.
For example, Nov 11, the posting Mad Scientist Invents Colored Bubbles appears in ./ and contains the URL
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/0a03b5108e0 97010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html
Then in Nov 23, when ScuttleMonkey proposes The 11 Year Soap Bubble, the script notices that that same URL has already appeared in Mad Scientist Invents Colored Bubbles and warns , and we avoid seeing this dup post.

Re:no dup (1)

LkDotCom (912073) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099125)

This would be quite useful, I admit, but a simple f****** search for "color bubble" would have been enough.

Ok, being an Editor is surely a lot of stress. But WTF, that's a SIMPLE SEARCH!

Re:no dup (1)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099213)

You should add a small snippet of code and insert it into the publication process; this snippet of code extracts all URLs from the href's in the proposed posting,

Wouldn't work. Many submitters like to link both the specific page and the top level domain, like:

According to thinktank Gartner [gartner.com] analysts Martin Reynolds and Mike McGuire, Sony's XCP technology is stymied by sticking a fingernail-size piece of opaque tape [gartner.com] on the outer edge of the CD.
However, you could make an exception list of popular referring sites, like New York Times, The Register, etc and ignore top level links in the analysis. Regardless, detecting dupes is relatively simple, the problem is Taco et al just don't give a fuck. Dupes are bad, even worse are the deliberate flamebait stories on "Intelligent Design" and such, guaranteed to draw 1000 posts from the advocates of both sides, repeating their arguments ad nauseaum, and hoaxes and pseudo science presented as fact. That along with the lack of any care with simple presentation like spelling or grammar show a total lack of professionalism -- and these are people collecting a cheque to "edit" and selling advertising and subscriptions. It's annoying because the hard parts -- the infrastructure to support the huge hit rates and nested discussions, the mod system that keeps trolls from overwhelming it, basically work. The readers supply the stories and comments. But the simple things a 12-year-old could do are the things that they screw up.

Yes, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099095)

Are the bubbles easy to DUPLICATE???

Think of the possibilities.......... (1)

stunt_penguin (906223) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099107)

Ozzy Osbourne can now have black bubbles at his Christmas gigs rather than clear ones (what's f***ing evil about those?)

Where have I seen this before???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099132)

Yep, another dupe. I guess theyll have to make a notofication on next edition. "Sorry for the dupe story about the bubbles. Instead, well offer you a $50 free certificate for a linux distro of your choice."

Oi (1)

Ragein (901507) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099159)

Just remove the story when every1 tells u its a dupe. Like its sooooooooooo hard.
REMOVE
REMOVE
REMOVE
Then i can post it again.

A case of way too much time on his hands (1)

robiurl.biz (933349) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099165)

This must be a government contract, because they would fire you if took 11 years to do anything anyware else!

The actual bubbles (2, Insightful)

Imperium (222271) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099194)

Well, I missed the original story, so I don't mind the duplication. As for the actual substance, traditional soap bubbles are multicoloured, swirly and beautiful anyway. Monocoloured bubbles look very boring by comparison. What a waste of effort!

Simpler Solution (-1, Troll)

squoozer (730327) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099207)

Wouldn't it have been easier to just attach a chromophore to the hyrdophilic end of the surfactant? Maybe add a few hydroxy groups to make sure the hydrophilic end stays that way and hey presto couloured bubbles. Sigh. To easy. Give me a hard problem.

Re:Simpler Solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099240)

Sure. Here's the hard problem: make it work.

That is only half of the problem (4, Informative)

nietsch (112711) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099255)

And the inventor solved that early on. Indeed the dye has to be attached to the soap or else the relatively heavy dye will sink to the bottom of the bubble to form a dark spot in a clear bubble.
The other problem (if you'd read TFA you'd have known) is that parents do not like it much if their kid comes home when it is splattered with your dye, no matter if it washes of easily. He solved that problem with a dye that can switch between colored and uncolored.

you think thats interesting? (1)

hapoo (607664) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099211)

Then check out the 11 time duplicated post on ./ about colored bubbles. Come on people, are they really THAT facinating?

I'm more curious... (1)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099220)

...about non-breaking bubbles. Replace water or surfacant with quickly drying glue. Keep the bubble in air till the shell hardens. For more effect, dye lightly with phosphorescent paint and inflate with helium instead of air...

Waste of time? (3, Insightful)

evilviper (135110) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099258)

Maybe it's just me, but it really sounds like he should have just spent the money to hire a real chemist in the first place, rather than spending about 10 years on trial and error, and causing lots of damage.

Jeeeez (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099328)

WTF?! I don't even read slashdot everyday anymore, and it just so happens that I pulled up the site this morning and here's a story I read last week. I actually RTFA completely. It was a very interesting read, albeit a little fluffy, but fun nonetheless. I wish the editors of this show would wake up and take it seriously. Aren't many of the guys paid at this point? I thought they had been for years. Fucking shitty. Imagine if this happened on cnn.com or another news site. I realize that comparison is unfair, because they're so different, but still--- wtf?!

Wake up guys!

Health Effects and Environmental Impact? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099346)

I noted that the story did not mention any testing to see if the chemicals broke down into different substances or what impact those chemicals would have on plants, water, or soil?

Do the chemicals really break down into nothing or will we be reading
about this 15 years from now in some class action lawsuit ?

I imagine the initial chemicals must be non-toxic to make them
into a toy for kids, but what is left behind after the colors fade?

Was I only the one? (1)

Agret (752467) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099372)

Was I the only one who read the title as The X11 Year Soap Bubble? I'm going to bed now.
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