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Xbox 360 Very Unstable

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the can't-say-anyone-is-surprised dept.

Bug 1113

fmwap writes "There have been several postings over at Xbox-scene complaining of crashing Xbox's on new games, with default settings on single player. Crashes on Xbox Live and on startup have been reported too, and Project Gotham Racing 3 crashes before finishing the first lap. Screenshots and Video are available showing the crash."

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1699 parts ok (5, Funny)

enoraM (749327) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099495)

Seems like they got 1699 Parts of the x-box to the market:

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/18/ 156253 [slashdot.org]

and it seems to be the same in other forums too:
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=391764 [teamxbox.com]

Cool crash screens though. (5, Funny)

suso (153703) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099691)

You have to admit though. Those are some decent crash screens. Not unlike the screens you'd see when pulling out a Atari 2600 game cartridge with the power on. Hey wait, the crashes themselves look better than atari 2600 games. Oh no!

Well... (0, Troll)

akheron01 (637033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099496)

DUH!

Re:Well... (2, Funny)

ZerocarboN (415676) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099508)

Wow, a Microsoft product is unstable. This is news!

Re:Well... (1, Funny)

basshedz2 (771482) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099705)

I want to know whether you get the BSOD on the Xbox!?

Re:Well... (0, Offtopic)

mrgreen4242 (759594) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099598)

That was exactly my first thought as well! If I had any mod points I'd send them your way to counter-act your undeserved -1 Troll!

Re:Well... (2, Insightful)

BillyOcean (933372) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099651)

As usual, doesn't take much to tickle the AntiMicrosoft fanboys. Apparently, all u need is a sensational "MS product sux" headline, no gathered facts required.

Re:Well... (-1, Redundant)

xeniten (550128) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099677)

Mod parent up!!!

First crash post (0)

NocturnalWarrior (19198) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099498)

zoom zoom zoom
crash!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow (-1, Flamebait)

Jupix (916634) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099505)

Who would have guessed?

Have you tried.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099507)

..placing a book under one corner?

Re:Have you tried.. (1, Funny)

Gridpoet (634171) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099535)

no no!

you have to put a matchbook under the cassete!

Re:Have you tried.. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099606)

The parent post was funny. Your's is dumb. It's a lousy attempt to cash in on some loose rebound laughter.

Re:Have you tried.. (1)

jd142 (129673) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099659)

Oh, I don't know. That's exactly what I had to do with the cassette deck in my first car.

Or how about? (5, Funny)

Joseph Vigneau (514) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099662)

Have you tried blowing on the DVD, and wiggling it around a bit?

And in todays news... (5, Funny)

Hieronymus Howard (215725) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099513)

Microsoft product crashes
Pope is discovered to be a Catholic
Family of bears accused of defecating in forested areas

Re:And in todays news... (1, Funny)

Smidge204 (605297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099633)

What about the Pope? Wasn't he accused of defecating in forested areas?

=Smidge=

here's my surprised look (4, Funny)

samsonov (581161) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099517)

what?!? No blue screen of death?

hmmmm .... (5, Funny)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099519)

Project Gotham Racing 3 crashes before finishing the first lap

Sounds like someone needs to improve their driving skills and stop blaming the system.

I wish I had a dollar (2, Insightful)

Beatbyte (163694) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099520)

for every smirk on the /. readers' faces who read this article and have preached against Microsoft in the last few years.

but seriously.... I wonder why Sony takes it's time developing their console as opposed to rushing it out the door to try to gain marketshare like some other greedy corporation does...[/sarcasm]

I hope this costs Microsoft DEARLY

just like deamcast and xbox (1)

Fedarkyn (892041) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099542)

My frend's dreamcast used to crash too an I've heard about this in the xbox too... Microsoft Quality certified products :P

Re:I wish I had a dollar (4, Insightful)

Kazzahdrane (882423) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099548)

You won't be getting a dollar from me then. If this is a big hardware problem I feel bad for the developers who had to work long hours to get their product ready for launch date.

... Re: MS Paying DEARLY (5, Insightful)

Bill the Bilby (787404) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099581)

... You know they won't. The problem with today's software (and combined hardware/software) manufacturers and vendors has nothing to do with the programmers themselves. Companies have simply responded to the paying public's demand for new toys with no wait. We want our toys NOW, not later. And buying trends for YEARS now have indicated that computer and computer program buyers are more then willing to purchase a program and then spend a significant amout of time patching and updating it- often right out of the box.

Microsoft responded to this in the way that gained them the most extra profit- they rushed the system to market without (apparently enough) random batch testing or other beta testing. People (lots and lots of people) bought the systems. They are crashing. Microsoft will now start to release patches (probably over Live) that correct this bug or that. The paying public will accept this and install them. People who buy XBox 360s down the road will expect the patches to be installed before they buy the system- but they'll still expect to have to install more at some point.

It's NOT the computer companies fault things have grown this way. They- like all companies- are a FOR-PROFIT venture, and will do whatever they think is the thing that will garner them the most profit. Period.

Welcome to Capitalism, enjoy your stay.

Re:I wish I had a dollar (4, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099586)

We whine when they delay and push back release dates of their OS over and over again but when they finally do come out with something "on time" (whatever that means) and it's not up to par we give them shit.

So they can't win. Everyone knew that already but seriously it's not going to cost them anything.

Consider their "limited release numbers" early adoption beta testing. They got them out there into the real world without having to give the units away and now they are getting the feedback they need to add to the new "revisions" that will still be out before the PS3.

It's a good thing though, the *only* reason I could ever see purchasing an XBox with Live would be for racing online. Now that I can't do that I might as well wait for Gran Turismo 5 on the PS3 w/o network play ;)

Re:I wish I had a dollar (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099613)

s/We/I/

Doesn't it strike you as a bit odd (4, Interesting)

tkrotchko (124118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099654)

I understand what you're saying and to a certain extent I agree.

But give how common these problems are, doesn't it strike you as odd? This is almost like there was no testing at all, which doesn't make sense. The developers surely would have caught these weeks, if not months ago.

Sony has had its moments too... (5, Informative)

tkrotchko (124118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099627)

Sony has had problems with the PS2... the first batch had a significant amount of CD/DVD drive failures; I had one, but sony eventually replaced it for free.

In fact, there has been a class action over the issue:

http://www.ps2settlement.com/ [ps2settlement.com]

upgrades (5, Insightful)

tezbobobo (879983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099523)

Does anyone know if these things are upgradable? or what the process is? Microsoft has a history of being first to markwt with buggy software. In the past it has been a strategy which has worked for them. Still, I long for the days of cartridges. Just reminissing - please don't flame me. But do answer if you know about upgradability/

Re:upgrades (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099557)

> Does anyone know if these things are upgradable?

I'd imagine people capable of using a search engine do.

> Still, I long for the days of cartridges

Like the Sony PSP? You can get alot of old cartridge based console if you look for Nintendo products in your local charity shops.

Re:upgrades (2, Insightful)

peragrin (659227) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099608)

Um MSFT has gotten away with selling buggy software because they were easily upgradable. Considering how one has to upgrade windows and he fact you need third party software to install all the updates smoothly before you go online. With this MSFT is going to have to either force users to hook it up to the Net(at extra cost probably), or download and burn ISO files.

yea MSFT is going to learn the hard way selling cheap hardware is a lot different than selling cheap software.

Fortunately (2, Informative)

paranode (671698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099609)

They did (at least with the first Xbox) make it easy to upgrade. I'm not sure how that will work with the Xbox 360s that don't have hard drives. When Halo 2 first came out it had a bug that caused it to stretch images on certain HDTV widescreens and you had to have Xbox Live to download the patch which fixed it. Lots of people were pretty mad there for a few weeks (including myself because true 16:9 was touted as a big new cool feature).

Could be worse... (4, Funny)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099524)


So the new XBoxes are crashing...let's just hope they've addressed the problem of the XBox bursting into flames and killing you [theregister.com] . ^_^

No shit (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099525)

M$ is teh sux0r

which OS? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099527)

Is the Xbox running a custom operating system? If only they would switch to running a stable advanced operating system like DragonFlyBSD.

Last minute change in the BIOS? (-1, Offtopic)

randomErr (172078) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099528)

It sounds like either the dev kits weren't in sync with production units, or someone as MS decided to add a last minute DRM to the BIOS.

What is this? A tabloid? (5, Insightful)

pjh3000 (583652) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099529)

So half a dozen out of the hundreds of thousands of new Xbox 360 owners are having problems. Why does Slashdot have to state "Xbox 360 Very Unstable"? I've had bad installs of Linux too. Would we see the headline on Slashdot "Linux Very Unstable" too?

This is normal. With the massive number of parts in the Xbox 360, it's to be expected that some are defective on a few units. Microsoft will give them a replacement. Move along, nothing to see here.

Re:What is this? A tabloid? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099553)

Amen. I have 0 problems with my 360.

Re:What is this? A tabloid? (1)

bhirsch (785803) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099580)

This is Slashdot -- journalistic integrity is almost nonexistent. It would be nice if the editors were to reject stories submitted with misleading, exaggerated, or false headlines, but it seems doubtful that will ever happen. These stories are usually spun pretty shamelessly on the original newsources without the need to add more BS when posted here.

Re:What is this? A tabloid? (4, Insightful)

Phybersyk0 (513618) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099667)

somebody mod the parent post up.
At work we get large quantities of hard drives from various manufacturers and out of every batch we usually get 1 or 2 that just will not spin up, or have other errors prohibiting their use.

Considering the condition of some of the boxes I've seen people carrying out of the stores, it's no wonder there isn't a few machines that have had parts wriggle free.

They probably make sure the system boots to the dashboard and then send it on for packaging.

I seriously doubt that ANY video game console company does burn-in testing for 24-hours before shipping the unit to market. The costs would be (more) astronomical.

Re:What is this? A tabloid? (1)

neillewis (137544) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099694)

Hopefully it is just a small number of units, or Microsoft's spangly launch is so doomed.

Re:What is this? A tabloid? (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099697)

So half a dozen out of the hundreds of thousands of new Xbox 360 owners are having problems.

Good point. You should improve the research behind your numbers as well. As of now, we do not know the extent of the problem, nor whether the problem gets better or worse with time, nor whether it is just "a half a dozen" who are experiencing the problem (e.g., how many were bought for Christmas presents and not even opened yet?). If it is a marginal hardware component, the problem will tend to get worse as the component ages.

Re:What is this? A tabloid? (1)

matgorb (562145) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099702)

Well i think this is different sorry, buying an xbox is like buying a microwave or a stereo, you expect it to work all the time, as long as it is used as it should be. Comparing a new Xbox to a Linux install is like comparing a new car with one where you upgrade the motor with a home made one not necessarily conform for the car and expect it to work as reliable as before...

Re:What is this? A tabloid? (1)

Illserve (56215) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099703)

The difference is that consoles are a static gaming platform, and they're running a small batch of rigidly defined, non configurable software (the release titles).

This is about as easy as QA testing gets so there is absolutely no excuse for crashes of any kind on the release lineup.

More to the point, something like this is certainly newsworthy, especially in the Games section. Even without the Microsoft shadenfreude, /.'ers are being warned to stay away from the 360 until these bugs are ironed out.

Re:What is this? A tabloid? (3, Insightful)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099707)

Well, I don't know about you, but if I buy systems with a *pre-installed* OS, no matter whether it's Linux or Windows or OS X or Plan 9 or whatever, I expect the system to be in a usable state. There is such a thing as quality control.

This is even more true when you consider that a console is not like a PC - from a customer's point of view at least, it's much closer to any regular home appliance. To give an example, if you bought a new toaster and it didn't work, would you then say "that's OK, it might not have worked if I had installed NetBSD on it myself, too"? I don't know about you, but if I buy a toaster, I kinda expect it to be able to produce toast. And if I buy a game console, I kinda expect to be able to play games.

And seriously, how many console models have you seen in your life that had this kind of failure after the initial launch? I've been buying consoles ever since the mid-80's, and I don't recall something like this happening ever, so I definitely would say that it *is* news indeed, in the truest sense of the word. Or is it just that it shouldn't be reported because it's Microsoft and you're a drooling fanboy who cries "M$ bashing! unfair! everytime he sees something that might be construed as being critical of M$?

see....... (4, Insightful)

xao gypsie (641755) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099530)

This is why I never buy technology when it is first released on the market...

Well... (5, Funny)

Claws Of Doom (721684) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099531)

...where *did* you think all those Windows Millenium Edition licenses went?

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099699)

The same landfill as those ET cartridges?

and this folks (4, Interesting)

lubricated (49106) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099537)

Well, this is why I always wait a few months before jumping on a console, if not a year. Nothing pisses me off more while I'm gaming than a crash.

what does MicroSoft call an alpha-tester? (5, Funny)

peter303 (12292) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099539)

A customer.

Furthermore, "geek up" the product so the alpha-testers will wait in line for 18 hours and pay twice as much as for competitor's hardware for this "priviledge".

Actually it's a new game (0, Redundant)

mustafap (452510) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099544)

called BSOD

I'm shocked (1)

chrisnewbie (708349) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099545)

Well!

XBOX= MIcrosoft ,,,,,microsoft=right now fix later,,,,,,so XBOX new version = shitty until version 4.

Xbox BSD? (1)

amichalo (132545) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099549)

This story made me laugh out lound...even Microsoft's game console has a BSD [flickr.com] !

Re:Xbox BSD? (1)

petabyte (238821) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099600)

This story made me laugh out lound...even Microsoft's game console has a BSD!

Umm, you mean a BSOD? I mean, I'm sure given time the Xbox 360 will have a BSD [netbsd.org] but I doubt today ...

Hoax (4, Funny)

trollable (928694) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099550)

Com'on, this is a bad hoax against Micro$oft. The screenshots are not even blue!

Windows ME (2, Funny)

vaderhelmet (591186) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099551)

ME?! Is that you I smell! Get out of that Xbox THIS INSTANT!

Not the only site reporting failures (5, Informative)

Bones3D_mac (324952) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099552)

These guys [teamxbox.com] have a fairly big list going too.

Wow it really is... (1)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099560)

...Dreamcast 2.0 [slashdot.org] .

As predicted (-1, Flamebait)

msbsod (574856) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099564)

Just a few days ago I wrote [slashdot.org] that this is what people will buy. It seems someone did not like my comment. But reality cannot be /.'ed down.

Look to the power my son (4, Insightful)

Groo Wanderer (180806) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099565)

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27893 [theinquirer.net]

80 or 110W CPU (I have heard both ways), a GPU equivalent to the ~100W R520, a HD, RAM and a constantly spinning DVD in a box how big?

And people wonder why they crash. Anyone who has one want to comment on how hot they get?

          -Charlie

Re:Look to the power my son (1)

msbsod (574856) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099591)

Indeed. I built my own microATX system with similar components. Even a 230 W power supply went up in smoke. I do not trust the ratings of the cheap power supplies. That is why I took the "best" one I could find. Still not enough.

Re:Look to the power my son (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099617)

The air being exhausted from my xbox 360 doesn't feel any hotter then what's comming out of my PC. I think there probably a larger precentage of defects out there, especialy given the rush to market and short supply. Last night I played for about 6 hours strait didn't experience any lockups or other issues like what has been reported.

How about (1)

^chuck^ (131444) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099579)

dropping it on one corner from a height of about 3 ft?

Re:How about (1)

^chuck^ (131444) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099601)

found my link after posting :)

Heat was not just a problem affecting the memory card. It turned out the chips on the motherboard would pop out during shipping or pop out of their sockets after only a few hours of on and off use (heating and cooling caused the chips to literally wiggle out of their sockets). This led to the famous "two-inch drop" where owners would pick their machine up and drop it two inches to reseat the chips.

http://www.wap.org/a3/a3library/a3faq.html [wap.org]

funny (3, Funny)

cca93014 (466820) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099584)

You have to love the sheer audacity of posting a link to an MPEG on the Slashdot homepage.

Re:funny (1)

wpiman (739077) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099693)

The message board is the one that is suffering.

I wonder if it is being hosted on an Xbox 360.

This is almost as bad as the Civ IV release.

*shrug* (1)

ShadowsHawk (916454) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099590)

No bug testing on a Microsoft product? *GASP* In all seriousness though, I equate this to SNES cartridges spontaneously erasing save game files. Bad product design will hurt the next generation sales.

Re:*shrug* (1)

CableModemSniper (556285) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099646)

Hold down reset.

I knew it! (2, Funny)

jasondaemon (604158) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099592)

Should have waited for Service Pack 1!

"Several posts" on a few boards = "very" unstable? (4, Insightful)

xbrownx (459399) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099595)

Is that all it takes?

I would hope people would take more of a wait and see approach to see how widespread the problem is.

How widespread is this? (4, Interesting)

WebGangsta (717475) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099596)

I fully anticipated that there would be problems with the initial release of 360s reported from various tech-knowledgable early buyers, but how widespread are these problems in reality?

For example, I have a day-of-release PS2 that's still going strong, and I never experienced any of the problems that were reported here and elsewhere with these units. In this case, I assume that my machine is the norm and not the exception, but if I based my opinion on the naysayers at the time it would appear that my PS2 would be in the minority of working units instead.

Word to the wise (1)

MECC (8478) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099597)


Haste makes waste.

Re:Word to the wise (1)

whathappenedtomonday (581634) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099635)

Right. And what else would you expect from a Microsoft product? It's not only not a bug but a feature, it also makes any Windows User feel at home right from the start!

yes. (1)

Danzigism (881294) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099603)

wow.. now i truly understand why Robert the Angry Mail Man from The Don and Mike Show Radio Show [donandmikewebsite.com] , wants to light 2 Brand new Xbox's on fire in front of CBS Studios and Radio..

Rumors (5, Funny)

SlashAmpersand (918025) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099624)

I've heard an unconfirmed rumor that Microsoft suspects that the XBox's are crashing because of the proximity of nearby Linux boxes. One employee, using an "open source detector", claimed to have established a 3-mile "Cloud of Evil" around a Red Hat server. The employee went on to say "This conclusively proves that Linux is a danger to our children". Steve Ballmer's statement (which was taped to a chair and thrown through a newsroom window) blamed Google.

3K - 5K on eBay (1)

mslinux (570958) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099626)

Wonder how the people who paid thousands of bucks for an xbox on eBay are feeling right now?

Always let the idiots storm the beaches first ;)

The error message (1)

Scynet85 (933220) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099630)

Can someone decipher the long error message seen in many of the screenshots? I know it starts with "System" but that's pretty much it.

Re:The error message (1)

MrP- (45616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099660)

it looks similar to the xbox error screen, it just says to call microsoft in a bunch of languages and then has an error code at the bottom (although xbox has it in the top corner)

duh... (3, Funny)

v_1_r_u_5 (462399) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099634)

>> Project Gotham Racing 3 crashes before finishing the first lap

You're playing a racing game. You're gonna crash.

Limiting numbers at release (2, Interesting)

patonw (747304) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099636)

Planned lack of testing might have been a contributing factor to the decision to restrict the number of units sold at launch. I mean, if they new it was going to be the most gawd awfully bugged first revision in console gaming history, they could save a lot by having fewer machines to recall.

Doh ! (0, Offtopic)

denisbergeron (197036) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099638)

I am very surprised that one can be surprised about that !
this is a god non-storie !

SuperNintendo? (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099641)

Well, I'm boycotting Sony, and now xbox is crashing like a windows95 machine or worse. I guess that means I'll be playing Zelda on my old super nintendo machine for a while.

Seriously, on face value, it doesn't look much like anyone is doing well lately in the tech sector, or at least in that sector that uses copy protection. While that is a broad statement, wouldn't it be odd to find out that DRM is causing the xbox to crash?

Re:SuperNintendo? (2)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099679)

wouldn't it be odd to find out that DRM is causing the xbox to crash?

Odd, no. Ironic, maybe. Funny as hell, ABSOLUTELY! :)

Xbox 360 Very Microsoft (1)

Mini-Geek (915324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099642)

correction
title should read "Xbox 360 Very Microsoft"
but, then again...Microsoft and Unstable are synonyms, so I guess it's correct

I knew... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099643)

That "tower" orientation was going to cause problems. People: stop trying to stack multiple stereo components on top of your XBox 360 as if it was just another piece of media center equipment. It wasn't designed for that sort of thing.

Oh, wait.

Maybe Xbox 360 players...... (1)

8127972 (73495) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099644)

....Need some hot coffee to help them deal with these problems?

I am so glad... (1)

pulse2600 (625694) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099647)

...I actually have a life that prevents me from sitting in a lawn chair in the rain all night outside Circuit City to buy a buggy POS game console made by a company who makes other very buggy products.

Newest trend? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099648)

Finally MS can charge people for "critical updates" via Xbox Live subscription.
I personally own an xbox, but would never dream of paying for Live. Looks like the 360 users may not have a choice if they want a "stable" gaming platform.

Hardwaring or soft? (1)

AntiDragon (930097) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099655)

Much as I hate to resist the tempation to bash a certain monopolist corporation....

Is it seriously Microsoft's fault that these crashes are occuring? Could it not be poor QA on the dev side? Of course if that were the case then is it due to poor QA in general or a lack of dev support...Which brings the circle back round to MS again....Oooh..Getting dizzy...

Considering the architecture in that little box o' tricks is way off of MS' normal experience (they've been an x86 house since NT4. And I'm deliberately ignoring Windows Mobile...), I wouldn't be suprised if the dev kits they supplied to the developers are less than perfect. This in turn would mean more bugs an instabilities will creep in hence these (oh so pleasing!) occurences.

Of course it's just speculation. I mean, I'm posting on Slashdot - you don't *really* expect me to research this, do you? ;) But I wouldn't expect these crashes to be flaws in the actual console itself (harware or embedded OS) but more likely immaturity in the dev process and accompanying SDKs due to radical architecture change and the rush to release first. So later games are likely to be better in this resepect.

Still not gonna buy one though......

Deep Breath (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099656)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I watched 360's go for $1300 on ebay today, poor bastards.

Slashdot Bias (0, Offtopic)

AttilaB (574159) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099661)

We get it ... slashdotters don't like Microsoft. What else is new?

hmm are you sure (-1, Troll)

TarrySingh (916400) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099663)

it's not a remarked X-Box?

Track record (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14099666)

For a moment, let us ignore the personal computing side of Microsoft. In recent history, they have been involved with 2 major video game systems (off of the top of my head):

Dreamcast (windows ce)

Out of the box, the Dreamcast was designed in such a way that anyone with a home burned cd could boot unsigned code. Perhaps they will write cleaner code next time?

XBOX

The XBOX shipped with (no less than 3) critical flaws in its BIOS, allowing unsigned code to be ran provided that it was given the OK from signed media (I.E. Mechassault, SplinterCell, 007). Perhaps they will write cleaner code next time?

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Now, Microsoft has a lot of market pressure on themselves with this system (next gen hype). Paired with the fact that they are changing 3 signifigant pieces of their architecture between console generations (namely cpu and gpu), a quick release is simply a disaster waiting to happen. The signs have been there for a while (power supply and wireless issues at Walmart, as well as blue screening). Perhaps with the deluxe package they will provide bugfixes?

How long until these buggy first generation systems are running unsigned code like the previous generation systems? How long until Microsoft has to do recalls due to obviously faulty designs? How is Microsoft going to hope to win in Japan? How can you hope to have a solid fanbase when your games DROP FRAMES? These are all things that make me tell people to wait a few months to buy a next generation console.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the Dreamcast and the XBOX (I have both of them about 10 feet away from me, and both probably have DMCA violating disc's in them right now to extend their usefulness). I just cannot justify anyone paying to be a beta tester. That's all. Save your cash, wait 2 months.

Nomen est omen (1)

msbsod (574856) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099668)

That is why they call it the Ex box.

Amazing (1)

wirerat1 (456399) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099669)

Why are people so excited about the Xbox 360? Or PS3? It seems like this is some sort of vicious cycle and we are reverting back to the Atari 2600 days. We are more than happy to throw away the freedom and flexbility of playing games on our own personal systems for the chance to experience these developers games in their locked in solution where they control and dictate every facet of the game? Why are we so willing to buy into the marketing hype around a system that has had very little road testing? Only now once the NDAs have been lifted do we really see that this product has been sent out to the masses, not because it was ready, but because MS didn't want to miss the chance to beat its competitors to market and potentially miss a Christmas release date. *sigh*

I really wish we didn't buy into the hype so easily... We are such lemmings... Big business plays the tune and we happily follow behind consuming whatever crap they dish out.

Error right out of the box (2, Interesting)

mikekinasz (803481) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099680)

My friend opened his up and got an error immediately. Turned it off.... and back on and got the same error. So he held down the power button for an extended period of time and YAY it fixed it somehow and he's not seen any errors since. So much for Quality Assurance. No reports of crashes yet though on the games.

Welcome to Windows Update (3, Interesting)

mcgroarty (633843) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099681)

How many game saves fit on the premium 360's hard drive after all the software updates?

Hmm... (1)

MaestroSartori (146297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099700)

...I wonder if maybe it's just hardware failures. Obviously we'll never know, but given that it's entirely feasible to buy one of these things with (for example) a fried ram chip, or a faulty dvd drive, I wonder if it's as simple as just the normal percentage of failed hardware you expect when buying any item of complex computer equipment?

Unstable? (5, Informative)

SpikeSpegiel (622734) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099709)

I waited up all night in front of a Best Buy to get mine. I also purchased Project Gotham Racing 3 and Kameo. With both games, I've spent most of my time playing PGR3. I have not had one crash, and the only trace I've seen of it is on Kotaku.

As a note, the system is very thermally unstalbe. I have mine vertical, and every vent is needed. If you were to block any of the airholes for any reason, or to trap the air exiting via the rear of the sytsem, the system potentially could overheat. The exhaust was very high temperature when I checked it after an hour or two of PGR3.

My rig (for reference) was running at 720P for part of it, 1080i for the other part (to compare whose transcoder was better, my TV or the XBOX). I'm on XBOX live, and upon boot, the system updated itself and restarted. This could have been a critical update that fixed the problem that people are talking about.

All and all, I'm quite impressed with the hardware. The emulation works better with some XBOX games than others. For instance, Forza motorsport runs sluggishly on the 360, yet Dead or Alive 3 runs flawlessly.

The live marketplace is impressive. They have HD downloads available, such as music videos and trailers. In addition, you can download new games such as bejewled from Microsoft. There are also themes that can be purchased via live, and as Penny Arcade themes are available, many people should be able to get their themes for sale on Live.

If I see crashes, I'll repost. However, so far, after 10+ hours of operation, most of which with PGR3, I have no crashes or errors to report.

Update! (1)

RasendeRutje (829555) | more than 8 years ago | (#14099710)

These crashed are propably on machines that weren't updated with the latest XBox360 Security Updates. Or maybe it were machines that infected with Sony's DRM?
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