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Kazaa Forced To Modify Search Engine

CowboyNeal posted more than 8 years ago | from the can't-find-that-here dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Eminem, Madonna and Kylie Minogue are just some of the popular artists whose songs are to be blocked from being illegally distributed on the peer-to-peer network Kazaa following Federal Court orders in Australia yesterday. Sharman Networks, the owner of Kazaa, was ordered by the courts to modify the file-sharing software to block a list of search terms -- primarily artist and song names. The search terms are also to be supplied by record companies. The directive follows the record companies' court victory in September against individuals and organizations associated with Kazaa."

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Methinks (4, Funny)

DrXym (126579) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112112)

That Erminem and Mardonna are the new hot searches on the Kaaza network

Re:Methinks (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112398)

That 3min3m and M4rd0nn4 are the new hot searches on the Kaaza network

There, Fixed it for you.

Re:Methinks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14112418)

Doesn't anyone remember limp biscuit or emin3m? it's useless as happened in napster

what next? (5, Insightful)

hug_the_penguin (933796) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112113)

Perhaps the banning of the keyword phrase `fuck the riaa`? In case they haven't noticed, there are so many fakes on there anyway that a name isnt an accurate guarantee of what a file contains. But of course this matters not so long as the RIAA can line their pockers with consumers' money.

Re:what next? (4, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112242)

There are so many fakes because the RIAA has been happily hiring companies to pollute the search results for certain terms.

They filed this lawsuit so they could cut some annual spending. /tongue in cheek

The court has ordered Sharman to release a new version of Kazaa by 5 December that includes a non-optional keyword filter, restricting users' ability to illegally access and swap copyright music.

Unless Kazaa rolls out a change to the fast track network as well... why the f*** would anyone update their client? Some of the people using such software may not be to brightest lightbulbs in the house, but everyone is going to know this update will break certain functionality.

Re:what next? (3, Funny)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112317)

There are so many fakes because the RIAA has been happily hiring companies to pollute the search results for certain terms.

Actually, I doubt the fakes can be much worse than the originals. Call me a troll, but blocking access to Eminem, Madonna and Kylie Minogue's songs is a step towards improving the quality of music.

Re:what next? (1)

Lil-Bondy (849941) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112461)

id have to agree with you here, if placing certain people in certain places can raise the intelligence of both new and originating country... why not with music :P

Control (5, Interesting)

KitesWorld (901626) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112280)

Like you said, it's about lining their pockets. One method : Deliberately add words to the list that end up with independant artists (who might release their music on Kazaa themselves) getting blocked.

Prevent your competition from getting exposure = preventing them from becoming 'real' competition.

Me? Paranoid? naaaaaaa.

Re:Control (3, Insightful)

hug_the_penguin (933796) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112339)

That's an interesting point i hadn't thought of. If it comes to the day when they're using it to monopolise, that's the day we can take the entire institution down. Mod guys, that post deserves points.

Re:what next? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14112304)

What are you talking about? Whether record companies are for-profit corporations or not, downloading and uploading copyrighted material without permission of the copyright holder is illegal. It is theft. You act like this is a step closer to 1984 when it amounts to enforcing anti-theft laws. If things like property and money bother you, move to Cuba or North Korea.

Re:what next? - PAY ATTENTION HERE. (2, Interesting)

mumblestheclown (569987) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112325)

Repeat After Me: Fighting Piracy is a war of attrition, NOT a war of absolutes.

The goal of anti piracy measures is not (realistically) to eliminate all piracy. Rather, it's to make piracy a relative hassle so that more people will stay clear of it.

For EVERY anti-piracy mechanism there will be some workaround - be it a rename, a magic marker, a shift key, a crack, a patch, or whatever. That's not the point. The point is that the more of a pain or the more specific knowledge it takes to do such a workaround, statistically fewer people will do it. Every fake file, threat of lawsuit, etc is an attempt to curb the RATE of piracy, not some idyllic attempt to eliminate it altogether.

Re:what next? - PAY ATTENTION HERE. (1)

hug_the_penguin (933796) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112352)

i disagree. The sony rootkit was there to actively prevent anyone from pirating and to report those who did. That doesn't seem to me like a measure targeted to reduce the number of pirates, more one with the arrogance of stopping piracy completely. They just don't get it. Their business model is failing and they're trying to prop it up by bending the law to make using the same cd in both the car and the home illegal.

Re:what next? - PAY ATTENTION HERE. (1)

Halfbaked Plan (769830) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112471)

they're trying to prop it up by bending the law to make using the same cd in both the car and the home illegal.

How so? There's a big mean dude out by your carport who frisks you every time you might be carrying a CD out from your house to your car??

Re:what next? - PAY ATTENTION HERE. (1)

hug_the_penguin (933796) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112546)

Well it might not be a physical person, but one day the DRM will do that. Sony have already said they want you to be unable to rip music or transport it anywhere in digital form to make you buy a seperate cd for the car etc. One day the drm will do that. And cracking will just lead to them suing you for phenominal amounts of money...

Re:what next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14112455)

Seriously! This is going to kill the distribution of my romantic ballad "I want to have sex with Kylie Minogue". Now I need a marketing budget. On the other hand, a giant billboard might get her attention better.

Bring on the l337 speak! (4, Funny)

Samir Gupta (623651) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112117)

or Pig Latin, etc... when will they learn?

And remember the DMCA (3, Informative)

DrYak (748999) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112337)

rot13, l33t, pig-latin, backward spelled....

all these are methods used to *crypt* the filename.
under the DMCA it *IS COMPLETLY ILLEGAL* to the ??AA to try to circumvent them.
If they try to add "3m1n3m", "adona-may", or "brit. sraeps" to the list, they're breaking an encryption scheme and that's illegal for them !!!

Eh? (4, Insightful)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112124)

Apart from the obvious slashdot also has this technology in place:
Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

I thought kazaa was long dead and buried and reduced to nothingness.

I know noone who uses it anymore, its all BT and eDonkey type stuff.

Another obvious thought here, could I supply my own list of copyrighted files and make sure they aren't searchable, my company has copyrighted files which should be protectable, wheres the web interface to do it?

Or is this another anal raping by the music industry just to get their own way?

Re:Eh? (1)

CdBee (742846) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112138)

eDonkey's on the way out or dead I believe, but the eMule [emule-project.net] reimplementation of the eDonkey 2000 client is still going strong, using the eMule and KADemlia networks.

Horay! (1, Insightful)

Black Copter Control (464012) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112129)

Now, Independent artists artists who actually want to have their music shared can actually find a market. The big labels already have their marketing channel (radio + TV). Now, there's one for the independents.

Re:Horay! (2, Insightful)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112178)

Now, Independent artists artists who actually want to have their music shared can actually find a market.

Don't try to spin this as something positive. Those independent artists could already use Kazaa as a marketing/distribution channel.. the presence of Eminem and Madonna songs on Kazaa wasn't stopping anyone from finding independent music.

This won't make it any easier for people to find legal downloads, it'll only make it (trivially) harder to find illegal ones.

Re:Horay! (2, Insightful)

newell98 (539530) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112194)

If anything I would think that it would actually hurt them. If keyword filtering results in less people using the network, then thats one less avenue that an independent artist can use to get their music out. Popular artists will still be availible illegally from bittorrent etc., but people will be less likely to run accross a lesser known artist.

Re:Horay! (1)

Alioth (221270) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112286)

Things like Kazaa and the deceased Napster were and are no good for finding independent music. The way the searches work, they are only any good for finding things that are popular, because you must know what you're searching for ahead of time. You can't just browse a genre to try and find independent music.

Things like Magnatune are about five orders of magnitude better for finding an independent artist that you like because you can browse and sample easily by category (and you know it will all be good quality recordings and files). Also, podcasts for independent artists such as 75 Minutes are more the marketing channel.

Re:Horay! (1)

dwandy (907337) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112388)

I discovered dmusic [dmusic.com] from another poster here on /. yesterday ...
I've listened to a few bands - it's pretty raw stuff in some cases, but hey! that's when music still has a soul.

I personally like the ideals from the boycott-riaa [boycott-riaa.com] site:

1) Ongoing boycott of all RIAA products, including the free samples on radio, peer-to-peer and television.

Just not buying the CDs is not enough to kill the beast ... boycott all forms of *AA.

hrm (1)

know1 (854868) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112131)

first the search engine on bram cohens torrent client, now this. just like they took down supernova. i wish they would just wise up and provide a decent enough alternative, although marks for effectiveness. wonder what the next big craze will be. maybe just a different torrent client with a good search in it.

Call me stupid, but? (2, Interesting)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112133)

Who still uses Kazaa?
From the newbie people I've helped with their pc's, I've only seen 1 with kazaa still installed.

Most of them have moved on to other "better" methods of downloading their music/etc.

Does Kazaa still have spyware btw?

Problem with generics... (3, Insightful)

Denyer (717613) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112134)

I highly doubt Kylie Minogue is the only Kylie out there with recorded material, for example. Blocking specific artist+album+song combinations might be reasonable, but there's a lot of room for false positives.

In time, even more absurd terms may become blocked... eg, The [wikipedia.org].

Re:Problem with generics... (1)

Imsdal (930595) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112578)

I highly doubt Kylie Minogue is the only Kylie out there with recorded material, for example.

I was going to call you on that one, since I thought that I remembered that her name was pretty unique. But Google found another recording Kylie Sackley, as hit 16.

And yes, of course, even if "Kylie" would have been unique, other popular artists don't all have unique names, so your points still stands.

This will block legal file transfers (4, Interesting)

bloodbob (584601) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112139)

Here is an example of one of the song names that was a part of the complaint against kazaa "Yellow". This basicly means anyone searching for "yellow something" is going to have their download blocked.

What about the kids? (4, Interesting)

5, Troll (919133) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112161)

It's a shame no-one has thought of including a list of child porn related keywords to help prevent file sharing of images and movies that exploit children.

But I guess there is no money in stopping child porn.

Re:This will block legal file transfers (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112218)

Here is an example of one of the song names that was a part of the complaint against kazaa "Yellow". This basicly means anyone searching for "yellow something" is going to have their download blocked.

I seem to remember the same problem arising when Napster started blocking searches based on keyword. A lot of people were very cross that their own music they were sharing got blocked along with the RIAA's stuff.

With Kazaa, it's even worse because people share all kinds of material; as you say, it's yellow anything. Maybe they've recruited Hal Jordan to clean up Kazaa, and want to make sure he's safe to do so?

Re:This will block legal file transfers (1)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112230)

Time for somebody independent to write a song with yellow in the title and sue the RIAAu or whatever their big label cartel is called for restricting their exposure. It's high time these illegal cartels were brought to justice.

What laws were being broken? (1)

grimJester (890090) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112141)

TFA doesn't specify what Kazaa has done wrong. The second link talks about "authorizing" users to infringe copyright. In the US, at least, the DMCA had some kind of "safe harbor" provision for search engines. Is the music industry going "It's illegal; we'll write the law later" and paying the judge to look the other way, or?

kazaa is dead long live p2p. (3, Informative)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112145)

You can always use eMule [emule-project.net] (win32) / amule [amule.org] (linux/max/e.a.) Shareaza (win32) or limewire [limewire.com] (win/max/javathingy) to perform those searches for you.

The music labels got to realize if they push the p2p networks too hard the p2p clients will go underground [sourceforge.net] into anonymous [gnunet.org] networks [eff.org]

Re:kazaa is dead long live p2p. (1)

archeopterix (594938) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112175)

The music labels got to realize if they push the p2p networks too hard the p2p clients will go underground into anonymous networks
I am a big fan of "backpacknet". Just pack your HD, visit a friend, and sync repositories. There goes half a terabyte of "content". Eat that, whatever-AA!!

This might be even faster than p2p over broadband, provided your friend lives near and you've got enough content to exchange.

Re:kazaa is dead long live p2p. (1)

shmlco (594907) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112193)

That's probably better from the RIAA's viewpoint, as sharing your music with 100,000 anonymous "friends" will take a while if you have to actually go visit them...

Re:kazaa is dead long live p2p. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14112269)

you do realize that in sneakernet the distribution topology can still be a tree, not necessarily linear, right? lan parties, anyone?

Re:kazaa is dead long live p2p. (1)

archeopterix (594938) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112276)

That's probably better from the RIAA's viewpoint, as sharing your music with 100,000 anonymous "friends" will take a while if you have to actually go visit them...
I don't have to visit each one of them. Sharing a movie with more than one friend is enough for the exponential growth to kick in. It's a pyramid scheme that actually works :-)

Re:kazaa is dead long live p2p. (1)

Kpt Kill (649374) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112359)

Makes the price of admission into a lan party all the more worth it!

Re:kazaa is dead long live p2p. (1)

archeopterix (594938) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112530)

Makes the price of admission into a lan party all the more worth it!
Price of admission? Hm... If you charge for admission, the party is probably too visible to facilitate copyright infringement. A circle of friends - the perfect size of a party, not necessarily a lan one.

Re:kazaa is dead long live p2p. (2, Interesting)

Khalid (31037) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112456)

I am pretty sure that we will soon have a p2p 2.0 as we had a Web 2.0. What the music industry doesn't seems to get it, this a Darwinian process, by acting like this they only manage to strengthen this technology. There is already plenty of new concepts floating around that will bring a new revolution into this field (anonymous, decentralised, underground, private, freenet, overnets, darknets, and so on)

An while I am at it, emule is excellent, and they are probably the next target, they better get ready for it.

Re:kazaa is dead long live p2p. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14112585)

Don't forget i2p [i2p.net].

Kazaa history (2, Insightful)

putko (753330) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112159)

So they started out in Europe, and only moved to Australia/Vanuatu because of RIAA pressure. Why don't they just sell the assets to a Vanuatu company and move the whole thing offshore?

Are the new guys, operating out of Australia/Vanuatu, somehow more legit than the guys who ran it before?

I thought the Kazaa guys were the sort to do "anything to win", including fairly Talmudic stuff like what they've already done (splitting the ads from the network itself, so that they can claim that they aren't really able to know about or stop infringing).

Let the syntax war begin! (5, Funny)

file-exists-p (681756) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112165)

So what are the standard rewritting rules to evade dumb pattern matching ? Writing backward ? L33tsp33k ? doubling characters ? Cockney Rhyming Slang ? [wikipedia.org]

The W3C should set up a list of standardized procedure.

Blocking searches by artists' names (2, Interesting)

gaijinsr (685623) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112169)

Funny, this is exactly what they tried with Napster back in my days ...

Arrogance of the RIAA (5, Insightful)

martinmcc (214402) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112170)


Yet again, we have the RIAA showing their complete ignorance of technology, and applying bullish tactics that will only succeed in irritating.

10,000 words list? I can pretty much bet that most of these will be very general i.e. 'Kylie' instead of 'Kylie Minogue', so any artist named Kylie who want to bypass the grabing hands of the record industry and distribute themselves will now have a much harder time.

It is absolutely crazy how this can happen. RIAA get a levy on blank media because some might end up with their copyright material. They install software on you machines becuase you might try to copy one of their cds. They now block 10,000 search terms on Kazaa because they might be used to 'steal' their copyright material. And for the many people who wish to use those terms for ligitimate reasons? Tough luck.

Have a look at the riaa web site, and you will read much about how they see themselves as the protectors of culture and music. What a load of crap. They are just middle men, and middle men that have no purpose, now that technology can provide the functionailty that they have in the past.

Re:Arrogance of the RIAA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14112329)

> Yet again, we have the RIAA showing their complete ignorance of technology, and applying bullish tactics that will only succeed in irritating.

> 10,000 words list? I can pretty much bet that most of these will be very general i.e. 'Kylie' instead of 'Kylie Minogue', so any artist named Kylie who want to bypass the grabing hands of the record industry and distribute themselves will now have a much harder time.

Yeah, not to mention we won't be able to find any more of those fake 15-second clips of mainstream music followed by a ton of static anymore. Their plan is going to completely backfire!

Time for artists to sue the RIAA (2, Insightful)

Zunni (565203) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112536)

I would think this would be an interesting case for lawyers to debate over. After all if the RIAA are preventing artists from distributing their music by a specific means, that certainly would be actionable.

Time to get a few lawsuits moving in the opposite direction against the RIAA, after all in their bubble they actually think they are speaking on behalf of all recording artists, someone needs to step up and show them through the only means that seem to get through to them that they are missing the boat and actually hindering independant artists.

move on (1)

spejsklark (913641) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112173)

Those still using Kazaa haven't updated to other P2P tools.
Why would they update to the new "limited functionality" Kazaa?

Or if it in fact is a forced update (is that even allowed by the EULA?), they will finally move on to DC, BT....

A simple solution. (1)

RoffleTheWaffle (916980) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112174)

Problem: "I can't search for Eminem or any of his titles."

Solution: Rename all of your Eminem files.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Re:A simple solution. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14112254)

*shrug* Just like every other form of copy protection this inconveniences Average Joe but doesn't stop a dedicated attacker. Remember the old C64 days with software that would check for bad sectors on the floppies they were distributed on? Remember "fast hack'em" which copied discs bitwise to avoid the trap? Remember codewheels and how folks dis-assembled the app to provide the answers the game would actually ask for? Remember manual checks and how folks just shared photocopies of the relevant portions of the manual? As I recall SimCity originally had a copy protection screen which required you to hold a small red lens against the page in order to read the right answer -- I seem to recall that the solution was to wrap the entire manual in three wraps of the pink Reynolds wrap before copying it with the brightness turned down a touch.

And notice how many games I haven't mentioned which have been hacked by dis-assembly alone and JMP instructions to bypass the copy protection checks.

The world is now a world where digital information is passed from point to point without any real interference. A "recording industry" is a relic of times gone by -- if they'd slim down and offer cheap recording to all then they'd be able to make a tidy profit 'cause _everyone_ wants to record something these days and studio space is not that expensive to maintain...

Re:A simple solution. (1)

hotdiggitydawg (881316) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112275)

Exactly - how long before the w4R3z d00Dz change the filenames to the non-blocked term "3minem".

Interesting thought - does Kazaa let you use wildcards in searches? what if "Eminem" is blocked, but "*minem" isn't? Not only would blocking "Kylie" block other artists with that name, but people could still get around it by searching for "*ylie"....

Big deal, kazza sucks anyway (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112192)

Why doesnt someone invent a P2P network that combines the best elements of networks/clients like kazza/fasttrack (back when it didnt suck) with the best elements of open source clients like emule.

If the RIAA wants to attack an open source client with copies of the source code on websites all over the world and a licence that lets anyone make any changes they like and redistrubute, good for them.

Re:Big deal, kazza sucks anyway (1)

Xyleene (874520) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112283)

Kazaa is open source. This only affects the version of Kazaa that is compiled by them. There's many other versions on the internet days after the official release is put up. All without this protection. The protection is built into the client, not the network. Not that anyone uses kazaa anymore...

Re:Big deal, kazza sucks anyway (1)

Xyleene (874520) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112291)

Ummm... i just checked, Kazaa dosen't seem to be open source.. i could have sworn it was. Although there are other open source clients. Sharazza et. al.

Re:Big deal, kazza sucks anyway (1)

RPoet (20693) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112513)

Shareaza cannot connect to Kazaa's network and does not support Kazaa's protocol (Fasttrack). No open source clients today do; Sharman locked them all out when they switched to a central authentication server.

This changes nothing? (2, Insightful)

Ilex (261136) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112199)

I thought the whole idea of these new p2p networks was that they were decentralized which means any form of censorship has to be imposed at the application level. So doesn't this mean that third partly clients like KazzaLite are immune to these block lists?

And as nobody uses Kazza because of it's malware payload putting a blocklist in Kazza alone has about as much affect on piracy as blocking searches in bittorent.com

Please correct me if I'm wrong!

The inteersting bit from the article (3, Interesting)

Zog The Undeniable (632031) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112203)

...was about Audible Magic, a technology that is supposed to identify music from a "fingerprint", regardless of what it's called, and theoretically would negate the need for a keyword search filter. I'd be genuinely interested to see how this works, given that different mp3 encoders produce different results given the same CD or can use different bitrates - and that's without OGG, WMA and other home-creatable formats.

Maybe it's a large scale meatware solution where a downloading clip is streamed in real time into a room full of music experts, probably in Bombay?

Re:The inteersting bit from the article (1)

pintomp3 (882811) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112376)

musicbrainz is pretty much just that. play with it here (it's GPL):

http://musicbrainz.org/ [musicbrainz.org]

Re:The inteersting bit from the article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14112526)

musicbrainz is GPL

the whole "audio recognition engine" is not.

Re:The inteersting bit from the article (1)

Halfbaked Plan (769830) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112507)

The 'fingerprint' can be a dynamic-range pattern. Load up a music file into a 'graphical' editor like Cool Edit sometime. The overall pattern for a particular piece of music is very unique. The unique coding and/or waveform pattern for the sound is irrelevant.

Several Obvious Problems: (4, Insightful)

mrRay720 (874710) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112207)

1) Generic terms to block will make it difficult to search for other items. My favourite artist, "Kylie Kylie" distributes only through Kazaa. Now I can't find her stuff.

2) Not everything related to those the scum are allegedly protecting is copyrighted. I'm sure there used to be several free public domain photos of Eminem that you could find on Kazaa. No longer possible.

3) They just plain suck, don't they?

Idiots. Instead of researching the reason why people are willing to download music from P2P (such as CDs no longer being a trustable source, and legally downloadable music has impractical DRM and low quality sound, prices too high across the board) they sue people and make stupid keyword blocks on software.

I always used to do the best job I could to ensure artists are compensated, by buying music I listen to (ok, the suits and lawers got the money not the artists, but that's not the point). Nowadays they're making it increasingly hard for people to actually do the right thing. Sorry, I don't want a virus ridden PC thanks to your infected CDs - I feel much safer downloading my music. And since your stupid DRM sites don't work with my music player, I have no choice but to P2P. It's your own fault, guys. Give me no valid source, and I have no choice but to make my own.

Re:Several Obvious Problems: (1)

putko (753330) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112318)

Well, I'd bet that "Kylie Kylie" (if that is her real name -- just kidding) will be moving from Kazaa, very, very soon.

They've just ruined everything; she (or maybe he) will be moving to some other channel before long.

This is one interesting aspect of doing what the RIAA says: they want you to block just about everything (the greatest amount of stuff that might possibly infringe), and when that conflicts with the goals of legit users, they'll leave (along with the bad guys).

That's what I don't get about this settlement; it seems that Kazaa just killed themselves.

Re:Several Obvious Problems: (2, Insightful)

Halfbaked Plan (769830) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112517)

Give me no valid source, and I have no choice but to make my own.

So you're taking piano/guitar/singing lessons, or do you really _not_ get it at all?

Plus they will stop being p2p (2, Interesting)

riflemann (190895) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112228)

They will also want to eliminate the p2p aspect of it. From the article:

"Audible Magic involves getting the fingerprints for all songs," said a QC acting for Sharman, John Ireland. "You put a black box between two peers and if someone wants to copy something on the list, you can't do it," he said.

They want to basically make all transfers centralised through this black box, making Kazaa nothing more than a glorified web-based download service.

Not that it matters to anyone...does anyone use Kazaa anyway? Those who want to obtain their music via questionable means probably use other services nowadays.

Update: only 26 search terms will be blocked: (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14112238)

a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y, z

The riaa is certain their minimal search restriction (only 26 terms!!!) will improove their popularity, since they're usually known for draconian measures!

Deja vu (1)

adeydas1 (933567) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112241)

am i having a feeling of deja vu or is it those darned onions i had for lunch???

Re:Deja vu (1)

Alworx (885008) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112336)

Yep, I guess we're back to "mumble-jumble" in our id3 tags :-))

And yes, you did have rather too many onions for lunch, I could tell a mile away :-))

Alex.

napster? (1)

Synth3t1c (881734) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112250)

does anyone remember when this happened to napster? i remember back in the day you would try to search for like papa roach and you wouldnt find anything, so you typed in poppa rowch - same phonetics, just different letters. you would keep on trying until a giant list of them would appear - then you hit the jackpot :-D. most were pretty obvious though. this will most likely just happen again, or people will stop using kazaa and go to limewire or the like.

m-a-d-o-n-n-a (0, Troll)

Jacek Poplawski (223457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112256)

Can you block m-a-d-o-n-n-a?
I don't think you can block any madonna-related string.
Anyway, who really cares about such crap as eminem?

Erotica... (2, Funny)

EzInKy (115248) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112257)

...is a title [rpi.edu] that Madonna has used for both an album and a song, which seems to make using Kazaa for anything "interesting" kind of pointless.

Popular music for the hurd baa baa (-1, Redundant)

davro (539320) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112281)

Eminem -> Damn wheres my muther sucking lawyer
Lawyer -> Hello Eminem whats up today.
Eminem -> Im being llegally distributed, surly this is an Eminem Domain.
Lawyer -> You mean Eminent domain ?
Eminem -> Suck you man i will set 50 pence on you

Client-side filtering (1)

Eloquence (144160) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112301)

Hint to Sharman: Modify your client to download a list of bad keywords to your client directory. Call this list of bad keywords "badsearchterms.txt" and load it from the disk everytime the user makes a search. At the very least, this should buy you some more time. (The sad part is, the filter would probably still work on 90% of KaZaA users.)

RIAA get it right please. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14112305)

While I support new and upcoming musicans and purchase their music, I refuse to pay, what I think is a high price, for an established artist, who has made a crazy amount of money, so that they can add it to their already extravagant life style.

What I object to is the record labels crying poor, and prices dictated to us by them, instead of it being market driven. Yet the "poor" artists live in houses the size of small countries, have enough cars to keep a production line working full time.

I also object to the movie industry as well, for a similar reason, but even worse. If I buy anything from a shop, and I get it home and find that it doesn't meet my expectations, I am quiet within my rights to return the goods. Not the same with Movies, and I am afraid that the blair witch project was icing on the cake for me. I paid $15 to see what I thought was an absolute crap movie, and was anything but entertained. Ever since that point, I download movies to see if they are any good, and I would want to watch them again. If they are, then I purchase the DVD. I use to think along the lines of purchasing a movie on DVD before I had seen it, now I have so many coffee cup coasters it isn't funny.

Re:RIAA get it right please. (2, Interesting)

Soruk (225361) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112357)

I don't quite go as far as downloading them, but instead I rent DVDs - currently paying 93p per rental at Blockbuster (thanks to a Tesco Freetime offer!) so if it's a great film then I've got more left over to be able to buy the film, and if it's a waste of plastic, then that's 93p lost, not £3.95. Best of all, it's 100% legal.

I've noticed (1)

hug_the_penguin (933796) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112321)

...above and all over the web people recommending limewire as the choice for music distribution.

What they're failing to take into account is limewire's recent addition of voluntary licencing, whereby if a file has a licence attached, it shows this. Limewire has already publicly announced that it will become mandatory to have licenced content and unlicenced content will be banned.

Forgive me for thinking the entire point of p2p was freedom to share files. Next time you want to download those fedora ISO images, tough luck. Next time you want to share some music you created yourself, that's unfortunate.

Another example of record company bullying that's going to mess with the whole underlying idea of p2p

Jamiroquo on Audio Galaxy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14112328)

I think the same filtering measures were applied to audio galaxy...
I remember downloading the whole "jamiroquo" collection in a few hours.
BTW where's that 'Mass Set Tag' button on your favourite id3 tag manager ?

Downloading? What? (1)

Rob Kaper (5960) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112344)

Who downloads music on those networks anyway. Seriously, why spend hours on-line, trying to find a proper quality full album plus cover of some chart song that's old and tiresome before the download finishes, while your appliances fill up with spyware and other junk?

Be smart: if you insist on chart crap, a buck/quid/euro easily gets you a legal version of a song with the greatest of ease.

If you actually have a developed taste, a tenner gets you a proper album on any medium you like (including lovely vinyl) of actual bands you'll be able to fancy longer than a day. Delivered to the door, your iPod or available downtown at record stores and gigs where as an extra bonus you get a social life with the purchase because meeting people is more fun than meeting user accounts.

Okay, I'm somewhat cynical, but getting a signed album after a live performance totally beats the crap out of a lifestyle defined by bandwidth.

(Hey.. anyone else here who's 28, parties like 16, but talks like 86?)

Independent Artists (1)

nalfeshnee (263742) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112377)

Whilst I agree with the basic tenet of arguments presented here -- that the RIAA will achieve precisely zero return on this policy (and whilst I think myself that the RIAA is probably only doing this to ensure that the whole file-sharing thing is kept in the news), I hope those of you who mention Kazaa and independent/unknown artists in one breath are trolling, and not seriously suggesting that up-and-coming artists turn to *Kazaa* as their distribution method of choice?

What would then be the recommended procedure for "distribution via Kazaa" for one of these artists?

1. Make MP3's of own music.
2. Decide to distribute via P2P to avoid record company overhead. OK.
3. Fire up Kazaa, and provide MP3s in shared folder.
4. Wait.
5. Wait.
6. Wait some more.
7. Finally, engage brain and realise that no-one is actually downloading any of your songs because... ... you are an unknown/independent artist.

Someone please provide a list of artist who are actually using EMule, Kazaa, etc., to distribute their music. And no, I don't mean artists who don't mind the occasional bit of P2P to further what is already a good public image. I mean artists who are relatively unknown and who are using P2P to distribute.

I would guess a list of ten such artists would be hard to find.

Why? Because P2P doesn't let you create an image, that's why. And anyone who thinks image is unimportant for artists -- of any kind, independent or otherwise -- is a banana. Image is, unfortunately, what record companies provide. As well as all the other nasty stuff.

Check out a recent example where Steve Winwood released a track on to P2P. Went down a storm, boosted sales, everything. Yes, because this guy is, to quote the Wired article http://wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,64128,00.htm l [wired.com] on this event, "A Rock and Roll Hall of Famer". So: Q.E.D, really. But even Wired doesn't get it (emphasis added):
Although Wincraft credits the P2P promotion for helping to increase sales of Winwood's album, it certainly hasn't vaulted the release to the top of the charts. But for indie artists, every bit of publicity counts.


What, pray, is a file on a P2P network publicising? Zilch, zip, nothing. It's just there. If you find it in your search, then you already KNOW what you are searching for. The chances of otherwise coming across it are simply that: chances.

A more sensible solution for indie artists into cheap superdistribution would possibly be something like Digital OnRamp, which (for a fee) distributes to the big music portals.

Otherwise, I can't see it happening. Apart from anything else, any distribution network with zero control of the content of a file is useless for self-promotion.

Lecture over. Comments welcome, thanks for listening :=)

Re:Independent Artists (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14112503)

Have a look at http://irate.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]. In essence, this answers your concern. It downloads music you don't know about, allows you to rate it, and fetches more music like the one you rated highest. On the long run, you get:
1- Music you like
2- More exposure to unknown (or little known) artists
3- gis of music, legally!

When is the Roman Catholic Church (2, Interesting)

Flying pig (925874) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112402)

Going to file suit and demand that Mrs. Ritchie stop using their long term established brand name "Madonna" because it brings the brand owner into disrepute? Or have they just left it too late? I would really love to see a shootout between the RIAA and the people who gave the word "Propaganda" its modern meaning. Truth is, these "artists" have all stolen other people's words for their names - so how did they acquire rights in them?

Eminem, Madonna and Kylie Minogue (1)

Weezul (52464) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112405)

I tend to assume that any good songs Eminem, Madonna, or Kylie Minogue will ever make, I've already downloaded. If I got to Kazaa, etc. its usually for some old infulential-but-cult song which I somehow missed through my own ignorance.

Still In Use? (1)

thelonestranger (915343) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112432)

Is Kazaa still used by anyone? I stopped using these kinds of P2P when I got tired of all the fake files being hosted. Bittorrent is the way forward (for now).

DeJaVu all over again, re: Napster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14112439)

DeJaVu all over again, re: Napster. The beginning of the end. Where will I do my thieving now?

Eminem??!! (1)

Chatsubo (807023) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112442)

It's OK to smack ho's, shoot up clubs, strangle your wife, kill your baby, and all that stuff. Just as long as you don't download mp3's, okay kids?

Works both ways? (2, Interesting)

ortholattice (175065) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112452)

So, does this mean Kazaa users can safely share downloads that made it through the filter, without fear of being sued by the RIAA? No, I didn't think so.

Although it still might make an interesting court argument for someone with the means and motivation to actually fight one of their lawsuits. In others words, the fact that such a list, controlled by them, exists, and they fact that they chose to exclude a certain work, might be construed (by the right judge/jury at the right time) as an implicit license to share that work. So, in the best case (from the users' point of view) this could backfire on the RIAA.

Hooray for the RIAA! (1)

Chaffar (670874) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112472)

Well at least this will help the P2P movement as a whole, by moving the 20 or so users of Kazaa towards other more popular networks... Let's give Kazaa the proper burial it should've received ages ago. I for one have no regrets...

Am I missing the point or what?!? (1)

ami-in-hamburg (917802) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112483)

To me, the idea of using a filter isn't nearly as troubling as a court forcing a company to change it's software. Yes, flamebait, but the Microsoft deal wasn't anything near as frightening as this decision.

So what, no IE in Windows.

No search function in an application who's core function is based on searching? Very big deal!

What's really scary, is that this sets precedent. Other companies can now refer to this case as precedent to annihilate competition or simply something they don't like.

Solution (2, Interesting)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 8 years ago | (#14112486)

Based on what has been suggested so far, I propose an "aliases list". Use absurdly commonplace strings to represent specific keyword-blocked artists/albums, and publish a lookup table. For example, "fish" could equate to "Kylie" and "the" could related to her most popular album at the time the lookup is published. Possible problem: all the false hits containing "The fish" when searching. Solution: search by file type and file size.

A little more hard work, but once again, a little thinking flattens the RIAA's spectacular uselessness. I think that they need a new body in charge of their anti-piracy initiative as they're clearly hopeless at it.
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