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A Look at Windows Server Outselling Linux

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the deeper-and-deeper-way-down dept.

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THG writes "CoolTechZone.com has an interesting look at Linux's position in the market now that Microsoft has sold more Windows Server software than Linux. From the article: "The most important reason that Windows based servers are doing so well could be that programmers find it extremely easy to work on .Net and other related technologies (seamless integration). Plus, you have hassle free and rapid support from Microsoft, which is a comforting feature for corporate customers. When Windows Live comes in, we will see further integration between the server and online technical support areas, thereby making the troubleshooting process easier for in-house administrators and reducing overhead costs for the company."

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450 comments

Hmm... (5, Funny)

75th Trombone (581309) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121579)

CoolTechZone.com has an interesting look at Linux's position in the market now that Microsoft has sold more Windows Server software than Linux.

Okay now wait, I'm confused. Are Microsoft's sales of Windows Server higher than Microsoft's sales of Linux? Or are Microsoft's sales of Windows Server higher than Linux's sales of Linux? Or are Microsoft's sales of Windows Server higher than Linux's sales of Windows Server?

Because, y'know, without clarification, I might think someone didn't know what someone was saying.

(At least we can feel safe knowing that once we figure that out, any stats involving both "sales" and "Linux" will be perfectly clear and accurate and meaningful.)

Re:Hmm... (4, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121662)

Because, y'know, without clarification, I might think someone didn't know what someone was saying.

I am fairly certain they knew what they were doing as they were trying to add to the continued confusion of Linux server "sales".

Microsoft wants everyone to believe that their TCO is lower than Linux when everyone knows it's not. By funding/writing misleading press releases, they can further blur (in the general public's mind) the lines that don't exist.

Re:Hmm... (5, Insightful)

Golias (176380) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121702)

And just who is this "Linux" company which Microsoft seems to be competing so well against?

The thing I know of called "Linux" is a free operating system (which behaves a lot like UNIX), sold by dozens of different companies as a server environment, and also available for free. If there's some company out there called "Linux" who is just selling to the IT server market, it is no wonder MS is outselling them, as they must be very obscure.

Extra Extra! (5, Funny)

aywwts4 (610966) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121906)

Ciggarettes outselling Air!

And In other news...

Tanning Booths outselling Sunlight!

Its a mad mad world.

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121924)

Not to be a pain in the ass: No, Linux is the name of the kernal, not the operating system. *pauses* Guess I was being a pain... oh well. -Rezzon

Re:Hmm... (2, Funny)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121744)

Are Microsoft's sales of Windows Server higher than Microsoft's sales of Linux?

That's the way I'd read it - and it's probably true, too (which is certainly a new twist as far as FUD is concerned).

Re:Hmm... (4, Insightful)

Red Alastor (742410) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121875)

Yup, that's purely the truth and it's purely FUD. In other news, Linux servers are outdownloading Microsoft servers.

Gartner... (5, Insightful)

krray (605395) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121582)

Gartner, Inc. recently reported:
First, the study says that Windows based Servers accounted for 37 percent in revenue. Now traditionally, Windows based systems are more expensive than Linux based systems, so even if vendors sold lesser number of Windows systems, the price difference could ensure that Windows sales revenue was higher. This implies that, in terms of pure numbers, Linux could very well have outsold Windows.

Enough said. Nothing to see here. Move along...

I've recently redone the server end for [yet another] office (Linux based, of course) for which they certainly won't show up in Linux or Windows based sales "reports". Ever.
Linux is doing just fine...

Not to mention.... (4, Insightful)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121641)

... that whenever a company buys a bunch of servers from say, Dell, and doesn't bother to specify on the order that some are Linux servers (since it doesn't save you any money for the hassle of making two orders, especially if you are using Debian or some non-supported distro anyway), they get counted towards *Windows* profits, even though they will be wiped as soon as they get to the company.

Re:Not to mention.... (5, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121677)

Slight correction: those short-lived preinstalls aren't just counted as Windows profits, they are Windows profits. In fact it's a very profitable sale of Windows, as there are no support issues whatsoever. Pretty sweet for Microsoft, I'd say.

Re:Not to mention.... (2, Interesting)

Cylix (55374) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121825)

I bought my Dell's with NO OS....

Servers you can get without the Windows tax with a small penny saved. (small in comparison to the overall cost anyway... sorta... unless you count the license packs for connections... then the savings are quite ungodly... a few more dots shall we? ... )

Re:Not to mention.... (2, Insightful)

technoviper (595945) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121696)

Actually its very simple to buy servers from Dell without operating systems (A variety of OS choices are offered including Redhat and Microsoft server OS's) So your theory of server sales counting towards Windows is patently false.

NO OS couints as Windows at Dell (5, Informative)

bstadil (7110) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121817)

No it is not false

If you buy a blade server without OS specified It comes with something called "No Operating System Microsoft Configuration [Included in Price]" and is counted as Windwos servers

Look for yourselves Dell Bladeserver" [dell.com]

Gartner...Money for nothing, labour for free. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121650)

"I've recently redone the server end for [yet another] office (Linux based, of course) for which they certainly won't show up in Linux or Windows based sales "reports". Ever.
Linux is doing just fine..."

In other words, no one can make "revenue" with FOSS. Glad both sides now agree on that point.

Re:Gartner... (5, Informative)

MaelstromX (739241) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121654)

Absolutely right, and to attempt to gauge Linux's success or popularity by sales is completely futile. As a matter of fact, the article recognizes all of this.

First, the study says that Windows based Servers accounted for 37 percent in revenue. Now traditionally, Windows based systems are more expensive than Linux based systems, so even if vendors sold lesser number of Windows systems, the price difference could ensure that Windows sales revenue was higher. This implies that, in terms of pure numbers, Linux could very well have outsold Windows.

Furthermore the article says that Linux servers account for 31.7% as opposed to Windows' 37%. To paint this as anything other than a success for Linux (which is either free, as in the case of the parent, or likely cheaper than the Windows alternative) is a little strange.

Personally I'm not seeing the point of posting this blog entry but learning those numbers was a little interesting I guess.

Re:Gartner... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121705)

Gah, I quoted the exact same passage as the parent. *Slaps head*

Re:Gartner... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121656)

Enough said. Nothing to see here. Move along...

I've recently redone the server end for [yet another] office (Linux based, of course) for which they certainly won't show up in Linux or Windows based sales "reports". Ever.
Linux is doing just fine...


Except that when PHBs read these reports they assume that Linux is a dead platform (why else would other businesses not be using a free product, they ask, unless it sucks). MS has learned much from the radical liberal movement in the US: if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. Microsoft can defeat Linux through the media. Ignoring it is the overconfidence that will pound the nails into Linux's coffin.

No, it gets even better. (5, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121715)

First off, they admit that they don't know what the UNITS are, just the revenue (and they admit that Windows costs more than Linux).

THEN they go off about WHY Microsoft moves more units than Linux, even though they admit that they don't know that Microsoft DID move more units.

You'd think that "cooltechzone" might be a bit suspicious that units are not mentioned. Just a bit suspicious.

Re:Gartner... (1, Insightful)

aCapitalist (552761) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121831)

I've recently redone the server end for [yet another] office (Linux based, of course) for which they certainly won't show up in Linux or Windows based sales "reports".

You gotta just love these personal anecdotes that everybody is so fond in telling us. They are so indicative of market trends.

"People, all you have to do is listen to my random personal experience to know the market trends. I'm important. Listen to me.......please"

from a different viewpoint: (1)

rd4tech (711615) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121583)

Summary (from the article):
"The research unfortunately only refers to the sales revenue rather than overall profits and market share."
"Now traditionally, Windows based systems are more expensive than Linux based systems, so even if vendors sold lesser number of Windows systems, the price difference could ensure that Windows sales revenue was higher. This implies that, in terms of pure numbers, Linux could very well have outsold Windows."

Re:from a different viewpoint: (5, Informative)

gui_tarzan2000 (625775) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121602)

Especially since so many Linux servers are running free versions. Our Linux OD didn't cost us a dime, the support is what we pay for (but rarely need).

Re:from a different viewpoint: (1)

Solra Bizna (716281) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121815)

Not only are all three of my servers running free copies of Linux, but they were all gifts, so I didn't even pay for the hardware. :|

-:sigma.SB

You can download Linux for free (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121605)

Of course M$ outsells that.

What are they smoking? (1, Flamebait)

eyebits (649032) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121606)

>programmers find it extremely easy to work on .Net and other related technologies I find .NET to be a convoluted platform for programming. I'd much rather use technologies readily available for Linux/Solaris/Mac OS X. >hassle free and rapid support from Microsoft Sure hasn't been my experience. Slow support with major hassles is more like it even when you pay good money for it.

Re:What are they smoking? (3, Insightful)

flngroovy (8003) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121866)

You shouldn't criticize all of the Microsoft support staff just because they didn't adequately help you resolve the AOL issue on your new eMachine.

I deal with many support companies and in my opinion, MS is at the very top. In my cases, they have always put me in touch with very competent individuals and usually within minutes. They help resolve the problem and MS seems to always perform follow-up surveys to ensure quality.

Who do you call when you are having problems with gcc on your freely download Linux server?

ASP.NET, ADO.NET, and C# Windows apps are very easy to write and maintain. The Windows apps might not have that pretty purple scroll bar that Java has, but they look good anyway. (Sarcasm)

Re:What are they smoking? (3, Interesting)

eyebits (649032) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121907)

Try support issues regarding the function of Exchange server in a large educational environment.

>ASP.NET, ADO.NET, and C# Windows apps are very easy to write and maintain.

You are entitled to your opinion that the above statement is correct. It just hasn't been my experience.

.

Re:What are they smoking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121922)

hmm.... so I could spend hours upon hours integrating third-party APIs with my code OR.... I could use whats already there in .NET. Sorry but C#/.NET completely destroys Java in terms of speed of development and ease of implementation. For reference, see the 1000s of studies to this effect. Anyone who has done -professional- development on both must concede that point.

Is it April Fools alreay? (5, Insightful)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121607)

Plus, you have hassle free and rapid support from Microsoft, which is a comforting feature for corporate customers

Hassle-free? Rapid? Man I gotta get whatever these guys are smoking....

Every try to report a bug in a Microsoft product and get a fix? You'll likely be waiting on the order of months. That is, if you get a fix at all.

Re:Is it April Fools alreay? (4, Informative)

DanteLysin (829006) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121649)

I know this audience is largely anti-Microsoft. However, all of my service tickets with Microsoft (regarding server support) were resolved quickly. The Product Support Engineers kept me apprised with daily updates. One time, one of the Product Support Engineers took 2 days to get back to me.

In my career, I've experienced poorer support with other software vendors.

Then again, the company I work for is a Microsoft Partner. That could make a difference.

Re:Is it April Fools alreay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121672)

I have co-workers who have told me horror stories of working at Microsoft Partner offices.

Simple server support may be one thing. But if you ever need to troubleshoot glitches in their libraries, you are in for a nightmare.

Cred, where on cred is due... sigh (5, Interesting)

yagu (721525) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121610)

From the article:

The most important reason that Windows based servers are doing so well could be that programmers find it extremely easy to work on .Net and other related technologies (seamless integration). Plus, you have hassle free and rapid support from Microsoft, which is a comforting feature for corporate customers. When Windows Live comes in, we will see further integration between the server and online technical support areas, thereby making the troubleshooting process easier for in-house administrators and reducing overhead costs for the company.

Is this really true? The teams I worked with on .NET and Windows technology hardly found the integration seamless. As a matter of fact we had a full-time staff of Microsoft consultants on-site as well as on call to help provide workarounds for all of the glitches with the .NET technology, and there were a LOT of them.

I do wish there were less license for this kind of publishing. It is the complement to libel, i.e., it gives undue credit to someone for something not true. Weird. And, it still does damage to third party simply by virtue of lending credence and credibility to .NET and Microsoft. Sigh.

Re:Cred, where on cred is due... sigh (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121665)

I do wish there were less license for this kind of publishing. It is the complement to libel, i.e., it gives undue credit to someone for something not true.

1) Sue them for reverse-libel!! (lebil?)
2) ????
3) Profit!

Re:Cred, where on cred is due... sigh (3, Insightful)

DanteLysin (829006) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121687)

Not all development teams are created equal. I led a small development team that developed a C#/.NET application to automate Technical Support and QA internal operations. The project was largely successful. We had 1 contact with Microsoft ( due to my team's lack of experience in automating remote Hostname changes). In just 3 days, Microsoft provided us with the code answers we were missing. Our first release was bugfree and, in the first year, the departments experienced an 800% ROI.

That being said, .NET is a framework. I'm sure there are products and implementations that .NET is not suited for. Part of being a professional in this industry is understanding which tools to use for the job at hand.

Re:Cred, where on cred is due... sigh (1)

cah (82777) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121722)

I do wish there were less license for this kind of publishing. It is the complement to libel, i.e., it gives undue credit to someone for something not true. Weird. And, it still does damage to third party simply by virtue of lending credence and credibility to .NET and Microsoft. Sigh.

We could call it liebl.

No purchase necessary (1, Insightful)

Punboy (737239) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121617)

Did it occur to them that most of the software on Linux don't require purchasing? Groupware servers, Web servers, FTP servers... IRC servers... all free.

Re:No purchase necessary (2, Interesting)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121757)

And even between the ones that "require" purchasing, probably they are counting the "Enterprise" versions of packaged linux, i.e. not just redhat but redhat advanced server, not just suse but the enterprise version.

From that point of view, Microsoft could claim that "the number of company supported server OSs market share is bigger for Windows". I can take that were sold or even used around the world more Windows Servers than Enterprise versions of Linux distributions... but from there, to say that Windows server is more used than linux is a big shot

Re:No purchase necessary (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121913)

well of course the number of supported systems is higher. with windows you must keep support otherwise you will get owned. with linux you can maintain your own system and download the patches you need manually.

paid ad (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121619)

slashdot is now dead.

piece of shit sellout.

Microsoft technicial support is outstanding (3, Informative)

Gossi (731861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121624)

Plus, you have hassle free and rapid support from Microsoft, which is a comforting feature for corporate customers.

I rang Microsoft the other day. It was a fantastic experience. After getting somebody on first line support who clearly had no idea what I was talking about, after 5 minutes he transfered me to 2nd line support - in India. With a several second phone lag, I explained the problem repeatedly. After 30 minutes - 30 MINUTES - I got the patch I first rang for.

Yes, that's hassle free and rapid.

Re:Microsoft technicial support is outstanding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121775)

better than being told that they can't do anything for you unless you pay them money... we bought several hundred dells here without ps/2 connectors (which now seems to be the norm). when you change the faulty motherboards in them, you can't use your keyboard because it needs to redetect the keyboard, requiring you to log in first. a catch-22. thanks dell, and mostly thank you m$!

Re:Microsoft technicial support is outstanding (2, Informative)

Bluey (27101) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121787)

I've called in twice over the few month to Microsoft, once for a SQL Server patch, once for a Visual Studio patch. Both times (and the several others over the course of the year), one of the first questions the phone routing system asked was if I was calling in for a patch. After pressing 1, the call got routed to a customer service rep who took my information and forwarded me to a technical rep. The technical rep simply verified the error I was receiving was fixed by the patch I was requesting and then sent it to me. Each call probably took less than 10 minutes.

Not sure why you seemed to have such a bad experience, but getting a hotfix has never been an issue for me, as long as I can remember to press 1.

Well... (4, Insightful)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121625)

When your product is gratuit, it's very easy to "sell" less than a competing product that costs money... In fact, you're selling none at all.

It's very easy to sell more than nothing. You only need to sell it once!!!

No d'uh. Linux fucking sucks. (1)

mike nwdw. (877398) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121626)

SIEG FUCKING HEIL!

37%: not hardly dominant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121627)

Well heck. Considering that Microsoft is used to pulling in at least 80% of the revenue in whatever segment they enter, these results are pretty embarassing. And I'd like to know the numbers of deployments for each, including non-vendor-supported Linux deployments. Microsoft pulling a bigger piece of license revenue than anybody else isn't exactly news.

Huh? Someone's not actually _used_ Windows support (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121629)

Plus, you have hassle free and rapid support from Microsoft, which is a comforting feature for corporate customers.
*ROFL* Wow, that's rich. What microsoft offers is not "hassle free" or "rapid support", but the illusion of such. If Red Hat, etc, could do that, they'd own.

In the past several months, my company has had to deal with Microsoft on 2 different calls. One was about Clusters, the other was MSMQ. Both were handled poorly - the first one, their answer was "apply this hotfix", they think it'll fix it, no promises, and no easy way to back it out (that they knew of). Niiice.
The second, I'm firmly convinced that our guys know more than the people who wrote the code - we've had to deal with some odd issues, and none of the tech support had a clue(and yes it was escalated a few times). Or a grasp of the primary language in the US. *grr*

And .Net is a selling point. For what, I'm not sure. After having the .Net framework trash my home box, I'm quite hesitant to install it on my servers.

Why Windows outsells Linux in $$$ (3, Insightful)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121633)

People don't buy servers with Linux preinstalled. They buy a no OS server and install it themselves. Plus Linux is free, which also skews the numbers a bit.

Re:Why Windows outsells Linux in $$$ (1)

sk999 (846068) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121753)

???

All of the servers that I order (well technically, sign off on the requisitions) have Linux pre-installed. About $1 million in the last few years.

However, these are all from white-box vendors, who may not figure in Gartner's numbers and thus would, in the end, also skew the numbers a bit.

Windows 2003 is solid (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121636)

I've been running it as a desktop for quite awhile. It has the solid NT kernel without all the extra cruft of XP. It is delivered in a locked down mode and must be specifically opened to enable each task. IE is delivered in a locked-down mode, but I use Opera as IE needs lots of locking down. I'd say 2003 is MSs first totally solid release. It has everything that 2000 promised to be with all the multimedia bells and gaming possibility of XP. Oh, and IIS 6 kicks ass. You might say it is MS first deliverable of a real web server. Oh, and MS OSs are finally remotely administrable, and administrable in large groups, something Unix/Linux was far ahead on up to now.

Re:Windows 2003 is solid (1)

SpinJaunt (847897) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121810)

It has the solid NT kernel without all the extra cruft of XP
A liitle bit of web earching via google or yahoo maybe msn would reveal that 2k3 could infact be just like XP, only better thanks to the defaults that should of been included with The original XP.

but I use Opera as IE needs lots of locking down
although I agree IE6 is bad but the "locked down" version is actually quite good if just a wee bit of a skeptic.

Oh, and MS OSs are finally remotely administrable
so is 2k, even a newb that bought a dell back in 99/00 could do just that, only the 2k3 improved it significantly. A newb that bought a HP could do it today.

[ps. sorry about the last pun, had way too much fun & drink :( ]

Windows 2003 is solid (4, Funny)

Create an Account (841457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121911)


Bill? Is that you?

bah (0, Flamebait)

dirker (907397) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121637)

Windows sucks,Linux is great.Thats the way it is,you will be laughed at if your server runs windows.

Cat in a kennel (3, Funny)

eyebits (649032) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121655)

This story is like putting a cat in a kennel of dogs. I can imagine the editors sitting there thinking, "Mmm. We could use some good fun..we're bored. Let's throw this cat in the kennel and get our kicks out of watching the dogs go nuts." Thanks guys.

Integrated advertising?! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121657)

Recent rumors claimed that Microsoft wanted to giveaway its OS for free by integrating advertisements in the OS itself. If that happens (provided the method is secure enough), I don't know what the figures would be in terms of revenue, but Windows will most definitely "outsell" Linux in sheer numbers and that could perhaps be touted as the beginning of the end of Linux.

I think this is crazy talk, but if he's right the world deserves an AD driven Windows OS.

It would kinda' be fun to be able to say "Windows Abomination" in normal company with a straight face.

Re:Integrated advertising?! (1)

click2005 (921437) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121916)

I doubt M$ intends to release a version of their server software with advertising.

Punching holes in your server's security to receive adverts seems dumb to me. Even if it wasn't, how many people do work in the GUI on a server?

Especially if a bug/flaw in the GIF, JPG, flash implementation could bring down explorer.

Sales Figures for something thats free?? (2, Insightful)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121659)

How the hell will they get complete and accurate figures for all the new servers that run Linux when the OS is free in most cases? And how many of those servers with Windows on them were immediately replaced with Linux? I have worked at many shops where we freely install Fedora or Mandrake on Servers including servers bought from DELL that come with Windows preinstalled.

I love when they quote these sales figures because they mean next to nothing compared to an OS that is free and when most major hardware vendors are just NOW getting on board with Linux and even then, just half heartedly.

Re:Sales Figures for something thats free?? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121680)

It's very easy to get these sorts of sales figures when you simply invent them. When you are simply a shill for a convicted monopolist, out and out immoral dishonesty comes easy.

Re:Sales Figures for something thats free?? (1)

NutscrapeSucks (446616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121821)

Most of the "revenue" they're talking about here is actually hardware revenue.

This is actually fairer than counting number of boxes, because one could argue that Unix/Linux tends to be installed on larger, more expensive systems than Windows.

Re:Sales Figures for something thats free?? (1)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121918)

I dunno. I see changes in market share (as in total servers running said OS) as a fairer determination of changes in the industry. Sales mean nothing if you are removing the OS to install something else; they use this argument for desktop systems without Windows, so why is the reverse false?

Sales also mean nothing when the OS is free. This seems to be a rather arbitrary report meant to slant one sides findings. Naturally, it's in Microsofts favor. Go figure.

In related news.... (1)

ericdano (113424) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121664)

In related news, Kool-aid stocks have hit an all time high. Favorite flavor, lemon-aid.

Seems funny that if you search Slashdot, .NET is spoken of as a dead-man walking. Netcraft shows that Apache servers are still on tops. So, what gives?

Re:In related news.... (2, Informative)

Metzli (184903) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121749)

Exactly what part of negative .NET press on Slashdot surprises you? C'mon, this is _Slashdot_, anti-MS opinions (whether they are accurate or not) are the norm. It's not right, it's not wrong, it's just the way it is.

Windows Online will fail! (1)

tvlinux (867035) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121668)

First MS has to do a balancing act between ads and people tolerance of those ads. Too many ads and people will stop. Next there will be add blockers, MS would have to lock down the OS so tight that the user will have no choices thus no users. Linux will do better, around the world there are pockets of Linux infrastructure, and these will just grow. Finally, I will never use MSwindows, so there will always be Linux as long as I am alive.
Now I have to start worrying about MS assassins;-)

Misrepresented Statistics (5, Interesting)

n0dalus (807994) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121670)

A common problem in trying to count the number of servers running an OS is defining what a 'server' is. Most Linux servers I've seen run ten times the number of virtualhosts that Windows servers do. Do you count a Linux server running 1000 sites as 1 server or 1000?
I wouldn't be surprised if there were more physical servers running Windows, but if you count virtualhosts instead there would be far more sites using Linux.

Windows better due to the Linux "threat" (3, Interesting)

hbp4c (315334) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121679)

My personal disclaimer: I use linux daily, and haven't touched windows in quite some time.

If the Microsoft Windows OS is becoming a better product than it used to be, then this is a great thing. If Microsoft Windows is becoming better DUE TO the presence of Linux as an alternative OS, then all the more better for both OS's. The computer world needs progress in order to keep millions of programmers and sysadmins like myself in proper employment. :-)

Now, as I originally stated in my discalimer, I am a Linux zealot like the next penguin-headed person. I have no problems with people who think that Windows is better than Linux, because I know that Linux is aimed at people who like to (borrowing from a Mac quote) "think different" and/or have needs that Linux better suits than Windows.

Only counting purchases... (2, Interesting)

drgroove (631550) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121693)

Studies like this count only purchases, not acquisitions of Linux that were not purchased. So, if I download Slackware to run my webserver, I'm not going to show up on this study. Take those percentages with a grain of salt; Netcraft still knows the truth.

Regarding MS' 'seamless integration' of code on top of the OS, in this instance, only companies which own or can deliver and support the complete stack (OS, RDBMS, OOP, Web server, App server, etc) will be in a position to compete - Sun, Redhat and Novell come immediately to mind. Currently, Sun - w/ Solaris, Java, et al - is most equipped to deliver a seamlessly-integrated full stack w/ support to counter MS' offerings.

Re:Only counting purchases... (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121921)

'seamless integration" ... of malicious code.

Surprised (1)

mqduck (232646) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121698)

Microsoft has sold more Windows Server software than Linux.

Heck, I'm surprised microsoft has sold ANY Linux server software.

Re:Surprised (2, Informative)

Angelox (764087) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121738)

On the other hand; "Linux has sold more Linux software than Microsoft"

Summary: Misleading and Debatable (1)

GeekTek (124147) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121700)

This is a ridiculous piece of 'news.' This is purely an opinion piece mentioning the (questionable) results of a Garner report, without even linking to the report or its findings.

The report counts the revenue of servers which sell with either Windows or commercially supported versions of Linux (Redhat, SuSE). This has nothing to do with actual, real world usage patterns. Many, many people who buy new servers download and install Linux, FreeBSD, etc. often even when they 'own' a MS Server license for the system. Any reasonable person would understand that if the revenue of Linux servers are only 5% below that of Windows, MS should in fact be worried. Very worried.

And that's just the first paragraph. It really is a slow news day when garbage like this gets posted. What's next? Another 'Dvorak predicts' article?

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Linux is sold (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121726)

Could this have anything to do with linux being free? I find it easy to out sell things that are free.

Here is the 3Q breakdown (2, Informative)

bstadil (7110) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121728)

$B

Linux $1.44B 11.53%

Other $2.55 20.42%

Windows $4.60 36.83%

Unix $3.90 31.22%

Total $12.49 100.00%

Now ask what "Other" is. Mainframe OS and AS400 is 10% tops the rest is servers bought without OS Guess what is being installed on those?

. MS invested in Gartner here a few years back, since that no Units is being published only Value. By the wya the Linux partion went yp 37% in value and 22% unit (they poublished the growth not the absolute numbers) menaning the average price of Linux servers is rising 10%.

Re:Here is the 3Q breakdown (4, Funny)

Glonoinha (587375) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121839)

the rest is servers bought without OS Guess what is being installed on those?
Windows 2000 Pirate Edition?

A Report from the Front (1)

Saint Stephen (19450) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121729)

I switched from being a windows idiot to a Debian Linux slightly-less-stupid idiot 3 years ago after leaving a job at Microsoft and realizing I needed new friends. I only use Debian Linux at home, but I keep VMWare w/ W2k3, VS, SQL to practice for work; I keep WXP part for playing games and the needing to do the inevitable Microsoft crap this society demands, and am I'm doing quite well using Microsoft at work. I feel all cheap and dirty because I constantly point out to people how really sad I am for them stuck in their prison of idiocy, stupidicity, and crap, but what can I do?

The dummies I work with use Windows and I've no desire to be Martin Luther.

Re:A Report from the Front (-1, Flamebait)

aCapitalist (552761) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121861)

I feel all cheap and dirty because I constantly point out to people how really sad I am for them stuck in their prison of idiocy, stupidicity, and crap, but what can I do?

STFU, because people don't want to be disturbed by operating system kernel evangelists. If it gives you a boost for your low self-esteem then by all means join one of the numerous forums and irc channels where you and many others can circle-jerk to the glory of linux.

Re:A Report from the Front (1)

Saint Stephen (19450) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121914)

It's not so much the kernel as the crap software they have to run. For example, the newest Adobe Acrobat "phones home" every time you use it -- xpdf doesn't do that. Mutt vs. outlook -- when I get a virus email, it's a joke, it can't do anything. I feel extremely embarresed for people with their "spyware strategries" and all the crap they have to do to work around the fact that they are working from a flawed model. In the meanwhile, I use my far superior software, and feel extremely sorry for them.

The Kernel doesn't even enter into it. It's the apps. Mine don't constantly try to fuck me over. Their's does.

of course they have (1)

know1 (854868) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121739)

linux is free. Even if they have "sold" more server OS's (a ridiculous thing to say in comparison with a free product) everyone knows that apache runs about 70% of the web. this is just FUD that microsoft lovers will lap up.

chew on this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121740)

How many of you are like me and downloaded your Linux distro legally and free, installed it on various computers, tested, then put in a production environment and have required no support other than occasional package updates?

Who's buying Linux? (2, Informative)

max born (739948) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121750)

Windows Server software outsold Linux in the server market. Gartner, Inc.

Well that's probably true because most of us don't buy Linux -- we simply download it. But the fact that corporate types are buying preinstalled Linux servers at a rate to nearly equal Microsoft says something about Linux in general.

Windoz outsells Linux (1)

jjtechno (924166) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121752)

Linus, please, raise the price at least another 20% ! bah hah hah hah!

Re:Windoz outsells Linux (1)

Silon (646985) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121893)

Dude, the price for Linux has risen 20% since you posted that! Who knew Linus took financial advice from /. comments?

What Rubbish (Not Troll...Serious comments!) (5, Interesting)

cloricus (691063) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121758)

At my work place we are (painfully) slowly moving away from our existing Microsoft Windows Servers and replacing them with Linux and Solaris solutions. Note things like our Exchange servers are staying in place as there are no suitable equivalents though most other things are being moved across. Why? Because Microsoft's support is a joke compared even to unofficial IRC support channels for FOSS, it costs far to much when compared to Free* (*plus training, installation, support) solutions, and we dislike the vendor lock in Activation and licenses that are forced on those using Microsoft Server software; we paid good money only to be treated like pirates and have to deal with those systems failing and causing server problems, it is Microsoft's problem and making it our problem is a punch to the face. Right now as I type this I'm converting a Windows 2k3 Server to Ubuntu 5.10 (yes I know...) for another company in towns that I'm mates with the boss as they simply can't afford to deal with support issues on a mission critical server. They need some thing that Just Works(tm) and that is Linux (I tried pitching Solaris 10! I really did!). From my look on the Industry (note I'm in Australia) I see it as being more of a case that people are looking at Linux seriously, testing the water, liking it, and then attempting to migrate their servers. Along with hardcore Linux users who refuse to move to Microsoft (Rubbish) Software I see this as the Linux server market growing and I seriously doubt Microsoft dominance over Unix really exists. (Then again...There are a lot of Exchange servers out there...) 2 cents

linux = repo man? (1)

justins (80659) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121759)

"Paid? You don't get paid. Are you kidding, you work on commission, that's better than getting paid."

hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121761)

is it just me or are you linux geeks starting to get scared because linux promises of being desktop ready are still far from being true...and that now windows 2003 server are in fact easier and better to maintain than your linux servers.Could it be?
Yes face it...linux needs change now.Linus should be retired before linux is retired.
Windows has made a big move this year and linux is starting to fall behind.The integration of .NET and visual studio not to mention the upcomming Windows Vista should worry linux.As far as i can see nothing has been done lately.Not even in a bug fix view.
The linux strategy is outdated and needs to be refreshed.You can't just have a good idea(and yes linux had a great idea) and then run with it for 10 years without a change.
Apache hasn't changed at all.IIS HAS.The only software which seem to be doing well with regards to actual progress and change is mySQL...which has an interesting battle with the new MSSQL Server 2005(which btw simply kicks ass).
An arguments seemed to be "GUI isn't everything"...but what happens when the GUI starts catching up and taking the lead in the code departement?(that's what's happening here).

man (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121764)

MS ready sysadmins who are used to the help msmvps provide (who lurk everywhere) are often put off by the relentless "man " answers handed out so harshly and frequently by snobbish linux pros.

According to who? (1)

caller9 (764851) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121777)

Aren't Microsoft SALES figures always going to beat open source? Isn't this like saying more people bought Microsoft's Office suite than Open Office?

Fact is 80-90% of people using OO.org or Linux for that matter DIDN'T buy it. This is the stupidest metric I can think of to compare something that is mostly free with something that is absolutely overpriced. This works from one perspective - Vendors. And it only almost works, as the article noted, this is revenue not profit. From the IT manager perspective this is either FUD or MS marketing.

Did you know that garden fresh vegetables from personal gardens are drastically outsold by grocery produce? Bad comparison..my point exactly.

If you buy an IBM blade center with all the VMWare goodies, you're running linux even if you run Windows on top of that. Wonder why they choose that for a foundation? Because they're smart, that's why. They can sell you this $70,000 software setup and aside from in-house engineering and the licensing for VMWare, their overhead is unbelievably low. You just paid a programmer's salary for the year. If they sell 3000 units and have 1500 programmers/maintenance folks, that's 100% profit. I know my numbers are waaay off but even adjusted/scaled appropriately you see the cash cow this makes. You can almost see why the tossed their low profit PC stuff to Lenovo.

Why do people greenlight this "sky is falling" garbage?

Windows Troubleshooting (4, Interesting)

SQLz (564901) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121780)

thereby making the troubleshooting process easier for in-house administrators and reducing overhead costs for the company.

What I don't get with Windows troubleshooting is why the first thing you do is reboot. With Linux, if you have a problem, 100 reboots is not going to solve the problem. As a person who has administrated hundreds, probably thousands of Windows, Linux, BSD machines, I find Linux to be much easier to troubleshoot because there is basically no such thing as an intermittent problem.(maybe 0.01% of the time and 99.9% of the time its a hardware problem and not Linux) You either have a problem, or you don't. There is not of this crap where a machine runs fine for 30 days then all of a sudden has issues that go away when you reboot.

Maybe others have different experiences, I don't know. I've worked a lot of different places over the last 10 years and this has held true everywhere.

It's a feature! (2, Funny)

eyebits (649032) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121843)

Rebooting to fix problems is actually a feature! See, there is this highly secret and very technologically advanced code in Windows that on a reboot diagnoses the problem and automatically fixes it! What other OS can claim that? It's self-healing!

~wink~

Re:Windows Troubleshooting (1)

caller9 (764851) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121859)

Accurate to a point. It isn't unheard of for a linux distro using windows technology emulation (kerberos) to break on an upgrade. That's really neither here nor there because it was either litigation or proprietary changes that brought it about. It borked my RADIUS server on Gentoo real good one day. emerge -u world ... sometimes not for the feint of heart.

Whatever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121784)

The only reason why Windows is outselling Linux is because the price of Linux is $0.

Interesting, very interesting. (2)

martinultima (832468) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121788)

I'm rather happy to see that Micro$oft is selling more software than (what I'm assuming to mean) Linux developers. Because there are still more Linux servers in use than Windows, that can only mean that people are downloading the bloody operating system for free. Not [linuxiso.org] like [mininova.org] there's [nluug.nl] any [linuxquestions.org] shortage [ibiblio.org] of [distrowatch.com] sites [kicks-ass.org] ...

Note the difference between selling (distributing in exchange for a fee) and using (making it do useful work).

Yay, misleading statistics!!

lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121812)

rofl @ butthurt linux zealots.

Of course it's outselling Linsux! (1)

kirk26 (811030) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121842)

It's Windows for gods sakes! Linsux is just plain aweful!

This article is a Misleading troll. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121848)


It's bullshit. Nobody is shocked that Windows outsells Linux. Windows Server has ALWAYS outsold Linux. Linux outselling Windows would be NEWS.

And Linux doesn't account for 31% of total server revenue.. It accounts for fucking 12% of server revenue.
http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/11/23/server_sales_q3_ 2005/ [tgdaily.com]

The only news is that NEW linux sales (as in more sold this quarter then previous) rose 34+ percent, or something like this.

This has been 12 straight quarters which new server sales for Linux growth has risen double digits. There have been quarters were Linux growth has been 54% NEW sales over the previous quarter's sales. Linux is increasing it's precense in the datacenter and in the server room like a fucking rocket. Always has been, but until recently Linux has been a very small fish in a big pond. Now it's the second most common OS that your going to see anywere.

The news this guy is refering to is that Windows outsold UNIX, not Linux. Linux is recorded in a seperate catagory..

This isn't due to anything wonderfull Windows does. The main reason you'd want to run Windows Server is that you run Windows Desktop because Microsoft's products don't integrate with jack shit. But everybody runs Windows desktop and windows desktop only works well with windows server unless you have a mixed enviroment then you use Linux as glue between MS stuff and everything else.

The main reason that Unix servers sales have flagged is because Linux, not Windows. Linux is MUCH cheaper to use then Unix.

Hell in this quarter alone Sun has dropped from 7+ % of sales to under 5% and that's due to Linux. Most of Oracle licenses and such that are sold are sold to be run on Linux.

However that has had the side effect of making Windows the largest market in terms of sales..

Which is still bullshit because if you take Unix and Linux together, which you should since they are mostly compatable and run all the same software, then Windows server is still the minority and always has been.

sigh... (3, Insightful)

shrewd (830067) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121855)

microsoft take on any threat to their software in one (or a mixture of) ways:

1. buy out the competition
2. use dominance in another market to push your product in this one
3. when that doesn't work simply tell people lies

so far i haven't seen much of:

4. improve your own product so that the customers like it more and pay for it

microsoft thwart the market system, anti monopoly laws and consumer soverignty yet again....

Netcraft's data says (4, Informative)

dorkygeek (898295) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121862)

The mandatory netcraft [netcraft.com] post: the current web server survey [netcraft.com] does show a market share of 70.89% for Apache, 20.24% for Microsoft. Looking at the curve shows that MS market share has been stagnating since feb 2004 (after a rapid decline from their all time high of about 30% in feb 2002). Apache's market share is on a steady upwards trend.

Yeah and the moon is made out of green cheese. (5, Informative)

WindowsWasher (849166) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121864)

What the hell kind of ignorant, 6th grade, piss-ant research article is this?

Of course, this comes from the same man (Varun Dubey) who said:

"XP is such a joy when it comes to simply connecting a device and watching the pretty little bubble detecting it and saying "its installed and ready for use" makes the slightly high price absolutely worth it. In Linux, you have to recompile a kernel if you want to so much as change your modem! Give me a break guys, Linux is light years behind Windows XP and I am sure it will be further back biting the dust when Longhorn (now Vista) comes out."

Dumbass.

Its yellow cheese (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121910)

http://moon.google.com/ [google.com]

Now just zoom in and you will see it for yourself.

Can we moderate the article to Flamebait -1? (1)

DevanJedi (892762) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121874)

It would be nice if we could moderate CoolTechZone stuff to Flamebait -1 by default!

Well, Duh!! (1)

stox (131684) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121882)

In dollars, Microsoft is going to beat Linux for quite some time yet. A large percentage of Linux users download and more or less roll their own distributions. They don't buy them. The real question is how many are users are served with each platform on a regular basis. That is the number that really matters.

Hmm (1)

nexcomlink (930801) | more than 8 years ago | (#14121884)

"The most important reason that Windows based servers are doing so well could be that programmers find it extremely easy to work on .Net and other related technologies (seamless integration)." Yeah don't get me started on how easily they can be breached into either. I rather have a secure server and waste a bit more time configuring one than installing something as an excuse of my laziness just because it's easier.

Another linux story from the same submitter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14121887)

http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/27/ 1240258&tid=173&tid=184&tid=106 [slashdot.org]

Back in May this Cooltechzone.com was posted with the same "slashdot" link for the submitter name.

The DNS registrant for cooltechzone's name came up for it in a google search.
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