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Free60 Project Aims for Linux on Xbox 360

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the a-laudable-goal dept.

XBox (Games) 511

BlueMoon writes "The Free60 Project wiki and developers mailinglist has been launched. The project aims to port open source operating systems like GNU/Linux and Darwin to the Microsoft Xbox 360 gaming console. The site already contains some interesting details about the Xbox 360 security: per-box key stored on CPU, boot ROM will be on CPU too and a hypervisor verifies the running state of the kernel."

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coming up: Running Windows IIS server with wine (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124228)

Why do you want to buy from M$ and do a ...

*click* (5, Funny)

NightDragon (732139) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124229)

*Starts the "Time-to-360-hacked" Stopwatch....*

LOL (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124525)

I hope your stopwatch has 'months' on it. If you disagree, I'd be really interested to hear where *you* believe the weakness in the XBox 360's security to be? After all, only someone who knows what they're talking about would post a comment like yours.

DMCA baby! (-1, Flamebait)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124233)

DMCA first post

Easier option... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124236)

If you want a $400 PowerPC system then why not just pickup a refurbished Mac Mini?

Re:Easier option... (3, Funny)

mordors9 (665662) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124263)

Because the most important question of all must once again be answered, "yeah, but does it run linux?"

Odd Timing (2, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124308)

Just as apple drops the PPC, Microsoft starts using it?

Re:Odd Timing (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124335)

Actually, it's more like "Just as Microsoft drops Intel, Apple starts using it."

The PPC was planned as the processor for (most of) this generation of consoles for a while. Rumour had it, once upon a time, that the 360 devkit ran on Dual G5 Powermacs with the right video card.

Re:Odd Timing (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124423)

It's not a rumour, they were running games on that setup at trade shows.

Re:Easier option... (3, Insightful)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124380)

Because the XBox 360 could run a virtual Mac Mini and still have enough CPU left to play Quake 3?

Re:Easier option... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124474)

Why buy a P4 when you can pick up an 8086 for cheaper? Just because the Mac Mini and XBox 360 share an instruction set, does not mean they are anywhere near the same ballpark in terms of performance.

About that Mac Mini (2, Insightful)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124612)

Does it have a triple core CPU capable of running two threads on each core?

os x? (5, Interesting)

jest3r (458429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124240)

Being a triple core 3.2GHz PowerPC it would be cool to get OS X running on the XBOX 360.

Yay (1, Insightful)

unik (929502) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124253)

I guess it was only a matter of time. I just dont understand why.. Linux runs great on a 486. Why would you need it on a three 3.2 GHz processors.

Re:Why would you need it on a three 3.2 GHz proces (5, Funny)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124257)

They want to run KDE.

Re:Why would you need it on a three 3.2 GHz proces (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124360)

Score:4, Informative?!

This is a joke, people!

Re:Why would you need it on a three 3.2 GHz proces (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124445)

Sometimes we want people to get karma for making us laugh. And Taco took away karma for Funny mods. Thus, Informative.

Re:Why would you need it on a three 3.2 GHz proces (5, Funny)

paranode (671698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124406)

And they want to open something in OpenOffice.

Re:Why would you need it on a three 3.2 GHz proces (1)

unik (929502) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124408)

Fair enough. Stupid KDE, black/flux would work fine.

Re:Why would you need it on a three 3.2 GHz proces (4, Interesting)

ThaFooz (900535) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124611)

I know that was a joke, but the appeal of getting linux on the Xbox for me is to be able to run MythFrontend for all my video needs... which requires QT and tends to be a little clunky on ancient machines. Not that you need 3.2 ghz processors, but hey, the XBox is cheaper than a new machine.

Re:Yay (5, Funny)

porneL (674499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124426)

It just gives that fuzzy feeling that Microsoft has paid $126 for your Linux box.

Re:Yay (2, Insightful)

letxa2000 (215841) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124441)

But how long does that fuzzy feeling last when your system crashes because the power-supply overheated?

Re:Yay (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124475)

>>> Why would you need it on a three 3.2 GHz processors.

Because they're THERE!

Geesh... :-)

Re:Yay (4, Interesting)

sgant (178166) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124617)

Renderfarm maybe?

If only we could port Vray, Mental Ray and PRman to it.

Cheap renderfarm networked together. Need lots of cooling though from what I understand about the 360

My Thoughts Exactly (3, Interesting)

slashbob22 (918040) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124259)

This goes extremely well with my solution to the overheating problem:

I suggest that correct this problem that you transform your "XBox" into the form it should have originally been in:

1) Buy MicroATX case (with powersupply)
2) Rip apart XBox
3) Rebuild your computer. err XBox.

Done Right? [slashdot.org]

and I suppose:
4) Install Linux and stop buying those ridiculously priced games.

Re:My Thoughts Exactly (3, Funny)

Miros (734652) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124277)

So, buy an extremely expensive piece of propreitary hardware, an extra pc case, a bunch of modding tools, spend hours of your time moving the pieces from one to the other and getting the OS tweaked just right... to not waste money on overpriced games.... dude, just go out and buy a computer, seriously.

Because it's there (4, Interesting)

CustomDesigned (250089) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124381)

Why are you climbing this mountain?

An Indian Psycologist (whose name went something like Sikh Sent Mahalia - but I'm sure I totally mangled it, and can't lay my hands on the book) identified the necessary components of "flow" as skills, rules, goals, and feedback. For any activity, whether work or play, if you lack the skill, or if the activity is too easy or too hard, you are frustrated and unhappy. If you can't discern the rules (or meta rules), you are frustrated and unhappy. If there is no goal, you are frustrated and unhappy. If there is no feedback on your progress, you are frustrated and unhappy.

Sports like football have all the components (for those with the skill), and there is "flow". Putting linux on machines designed to prevent that very thing is like a game of football for geeks. It requires skill (is not too easy), but has been and probably can be done (is not too hard). The rules are those of logic and electronics. The goal is clear, and there is feedback along the way as you (carefully arrange to) see evidence of the system running your code further and further along in the boot process.

It can get frustrating if there is a lack of feedback - you can't find a visible bit to twiddle to show the code has gotten to a specific point.

holy mangled facts, batman (5, Informative)

Oopsz (127422) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124479)

He's a motivational psychologist studying performance and reward, his name is Csikszentmihalyi, and he's Hungarian, not Indian.

Re:holy mangled facts, batman (2, Funny)

CustomDesigned (250089) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124590)

Thanks. No wonder I couldn't google it either :-)

Re:My Thoughts Exactly (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124357)

4) Install Linux and stop buying those ridiculously priced games...

...so you can play Tux Racer. Oh Oh Oh, what about bzFlag? Linux can play games, honest!

Re:My Thoughts Exactly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124542)

Yeah, it's a shame that I can't play new games like Quake IV on my Linux box.

Re:My Thoughts Exactly (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124362)

Seeing as MS is selling these at a loss, if these guys get it up and running nicely, I'd be interesting in buying. Sweet machine theoretically if all the hardware is made to work, and a dollar loss to MS.

Sounds a little "teh M$ is teh evil" slashdottery? Think again.

It's payback for those licences on latops and packaged computers that I and others don't use but have to pay for because they enforce a monopoly.

Microsoft is constantly profiting from these anti-competitive moves, and they are trying to sink other console makers by selling their machines at a loss (their whole xbox division doesn't turn a profit), I say if some company tries to use it's raw billions to put others out of business by selling below cost, then they deserve to have people buy them and use them for other purposes.

It's time someone stood up for the little guys (and I don't mean those macromedia flash producing infinium labs guys here either, there are real jobs on the line when MS bullys people), if our governments won't do it. We can.

Re:My Thoughts Exactly (2, Informative)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124476)

Umm...the PS2 was sold at a loss, as was the PSP, so will the PS3. The only company that doesn't sell at a loss is Nintendo.

Re:My Thoughts Exactly (3, Interesting)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124508)

Yeah if there actually turned out to be even some semblance of support for it as an architecture, I'd probably pick one up just to play around with. I don't really have any desire to buy any games for it, but if I could get a development/hobby platform for under $400 (okay, add a case that doesn't suck) while at the same time sticking Microsoft for $125, I'm all over it.

What would be cool is if somebody would port the BOINC distributed computing client, and put together a bootable CD for xBox. If you know you're not going to be using your console for a while, just put the CD in and reboot it, and it crunches numbers until you're ready to play again. If you think of the numbers of game consoles that are sold, and the number of hours that they're probably used per day (after the initial fascination wears off), that's a lot of idle CPU time. Now that consoles are getting comparable to computers in power, and have network connections and attached disk storage, I don't think it's that ridiculous an idea.

They should probably wait... (4, Funny)

Hymer (856453) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124287)

...until that overheating problem is solved...

At least (4, Funny)

paranode (671698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124447)

Before they try porting Gentoo to it.

OMG!!! (-1, Offtopic)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124289)

OMG! Zonk has hacked Taco's account!

Not too quick! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124293)

If they're too quick at crackin the new box, microsoft will patch the other xboxes they'll be making. I'd imagine that's one of the reasons they released so few at this time. The other major one being that they didn't wanna get slapped with too many lawsuits concerning house fires.

Re:Not too quick! (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124471)

I think you are seriously over-estimating how much of an effect linux really has on the xbox(minimal at best). I'm sure far south of 1% of all xboxes out there are running/have ever ran linux, so I highly doubt Microsoft would create huge disruptions in supplies just to stop this behavoir.....

Re:Not too quick! (2, Insightful)

Sinryc (834433) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124493)

I REALLY doubt Microsoft is scared of Linux being put on peoples Xboxs. Infact, what they are worried about most, more than likely, is playing burned games.
That right there is what would get into Microsofts pocket, not Linux.

Hell, if you put Linux on the 360, all youve done is bought a system, but if you mod the system so you can play games, then you will have cost them thousands of dollars.

IF Microsoft is scared of linux, it sure as hell aint the game division.

Hypervisor (4, Informative)

jurt1235 (834677) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124300)

Assuming that the hypervisor technology in the xbox360 is really the IBM hypervisor, than the linux community could have access to the patents involved in this technology, making it a lot easier (as in really tough job to in just a bit less realy tough job) to get linux running on the xbox. Maybe it is possible to run it in a VM under xbox windows (I guess internally in microsoft this might be called xwindows).

Re:Hypervisor (1)

shawnce (146129) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124545)

If patents cover this technology then we all have access to them since patents are in the public domain. This is what patents are about (originally)... to allow others to review the design and think about ways to possibly do it "better" (cheaper, more robust, more efficient, etc.) while still protecting the original inventor from direct / near direct copies of the technology outlined in the patent. Basically if you allow others to see what you are doing (give something) you will be granted protection of the idea(s) outlined in the patent (get something).

Anyway now it is possible that IBM could license others the ability to develop product despite holding a patent because of their general desire to support and protect their linux investment.

Re:Hypervisor (4, Informative)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124555)

I just read through the site and I don't think there's any evidence to show that the hypervisor that it's being speculated is used by the x360 is the same one that's been developed by IBM. The IBM one I believe is designed for large scale use on big iron, providing abstraction and security services to virtual machines; the xBox one is just to monitor the kernel for modifications and checksum the RAM against stored values in the processor. They seem so different in scope that I'm not sure it's a good assumption to think that they're the same thing, or that the MS one isn't just something they cooked up in-house. There doesn't seem to be any strong evidence that they're the same, and the Slashdot article link just seems to be something the author pulled out of Google.

Also, if you read on the Free60 documentation site, it's apparent that the factoids being discussed, including the only mention of the hypervisor, are being attributed to "someone on the IRC" -- not exactly a reputable source.

Why bother? (2, Insightful)

JPriest (547211) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124610)

Sure they sell them at a $125 loss, but it only comes with a 20 gig HDD and the place where it shines (where the $525 was spent) is in grapgics processing. Not to point out the obvious, but a 16 meg graphics card would be fine for what most people use Linux for. If the goal is to hurt MS, I don't think a few hundred (or thousand) people buying a 360 _only_ for running Linux will really do anything more than improve their sales numbers. You will just be out $400 that could have been much better spent elsewhere.

Why? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124301)

Maybe a usable Linux desktop? A hacked XBOX - yeah that ought to have about 100 users.

Whata waste of time, effort and brains.

Re:Why? (-1, Flamebait)

Slashcrap (869349) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124500)

Whata waste of time, effort and brains.

I was going to spend some time putting together a detailed repudiation of the points you make, but figured it would be wasted what with you being an arrogant, unimaginitive little fucktard.

Re:Why? (1)

Eideewt (603267) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124553)

...but figured it would be wasted what with you being an arrogant, unimaginitive little fucktard.

Wait a second, did he even make any points besides that one?

Re:Why? (-1, Troll)

Carnage Pants (801975) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124566)

After spending some time in a German history class, I'm going to dare to make the tenuous analogy. People hack Xboxes to install Linux for the same reason the Nazis built Auschwitz. They didn't have to, it wasn't necessary for the Final Solution. But they did it simply because they could. It was a demonstration of technological prowess.

Not that I'm saying the guys putting Linux on Xboxes are out for world domination or anything. That's just silly...

Re:Why? (2, Funny)

Aqws (932918) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124599)

According to Godwins law, I must now try to hack the x-box.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124634)

Dude you are a retard!!

Again? (0, Flamebait)

Meor (711208) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124303)

Sounds stupid.

are there any non-gaming applications to this (5, Interesting)

caffeinemessiah (918089) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124310)

...because a lot of good came out of the original Xbox being hacked. I'm sure there are a lot of high-perf researchers on a shoestring who are eyeing the price on the basic Xbox 360. Even without a hard disk, a small memory card should be enough to house a basic computation/communications infrastructure, and with the retail price on the basic 360, you should be able to string a bunch of them together to get decent computing power at a price even lower than a low-end Beowulf. I understand that the obvious application of hacking the 360 is so that you can play pirated games, but I for one am eagerly waiting to see what comes out of this project, and the PS3-hack that is soon to be.

Re:are there any non-gaming applications to this (1)

chudgoo (812186) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124609)

Not that this is my forte or anything but wouldn't the
10/100 ethernet be a huge bottleneck?

Also, 512MB of RAM isn't much to work with for real scientific computation.
(although I'm sure someone will correct me on that)

Re:are there any non-gaming applications to this (4, Interesting)

interiot (50685) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124616)

Simply adding support for extra codecs, and better/configurable upscaling of DVD or 720p content would be a wonderful place to start. Though the PS3 supposedly has more horsepower and 1080p output, so it may be preferable for use as a software scaler.

Source (4, Interesting)

morcheeba (260908) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124311)

Interesting source of the information: I met someone on the IRC the other day who told me the following...

The biggest thing I wonder about in "The key is stored inside the CPU". This adds cost, but it is possible [intel.com] . It means that to execute your own code, the serial number must be determined so that a replacement flash chip can be properly encrypted. I'm betting it's pretty hard to find this number out without taking apart the processor.

Re:Source (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124388)

It could add cost, but perhaps not.

IIRC, there's an extention to the JTAG specification for in-system programming of devices, such as programmable logic or flash memory.

I don't think it would be too cheap to store the unique per-console key in a few bits of flash memory in the chip die. Then all CPUs would be identical, and during the normal testing phase they could program the flash. And God knows we have flash memory technology issues down these days.

There's other ways too; fuseable links to make it permanent. But nothing that require a new die per CPU, it's the kind of thing that can be implemented cheaply.

Write-once PROM most likely (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124559)

Some of you kiddies don't remember that before there was flash, there were technologies like PROM, EPROM, and EEPROM. It's perfectly possible they have write-once PROM in the CPU, vs. reprogrammable flash memory. In fact, if I were Microsoft I would have insisted on it.

Re:Source (4, Insightful)

bbrack (842686) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124584)

Electrically programmable fuses make this very simple - when the part is tested at wafer/multiprobe, you simply blow in the ID when you are blowing in all your repair solutions - I can guarantee IBM is blowing an ID into the parts anyway for general yield/return tracking purposes.

This ID can probably be accessed through the JTAG port, or accessed internally - the data is going to be in a certain format (Lot #, wafer #, x coord, y coord, or something similar) that would be easy to verify...

You could also make it so reading the id from one place and writing it to another was part of the reset sequence on the chip...

WRT getting the serialid out of the processor, you should be able to read it out through a simple JTAG instruction

Consoles are not general computing platforms (0, Troll)

Junks Jerzey (54586) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124316)

My question when I see stories like this is: Why? More specifically, why would anyone want to put a bulky, general purpose operating system onto lean and special-purpose hardware? One of the big advantages of consoles is that the "os" is minimal, to the point of being a tiny set of hardware interfacing code. The Xbox 360 (and the original Xbox) isn't running Windows or anything like that, because there's no need. You get nothing out of running Linux on such hardware.

Re:Consoles are not general computing platforms (4, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124364)

Well, if the device actually works (and the apparent overheating issues worked out) you will end up with a low cost, low profile machine with TV-out that can be used as a media center box while (in a perfect world) being able to still playing XBox games online.

One box to do it all. You get a lot by being able to run your own OS on the box. Don't troll with unintelligent comments, it's not worth it.

Re:Consoles are not general computing platforms (1)

mrtroy (640746) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124524)

What do you get out of running linux on the Xbox?
You get the ability to run applications on the Xbox. For example, run media players with more extensive features and support for a variety of formats.
You get the ability to run applications such as a FTP server on your Xbox. That way it could be a true media hub, where you could transfer TV shows, movies, and other media to your Xbox for viewing on your television (in high def).

And most importantly, you get the ability to play games you download, such as the entire collection of the original Xbox's games.

What about codecs? (1)

Nichotin (794369) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124550)

I was thinking, the original xbox could play pretty much everything when chipped right? But what about the 360, with this triple core non-x86 processor? I do realize that there are open decoders for many formats, but which ones will we loose support for? I can think of Windows Media Video on the top of my head.

Re:Consoles are not general computing platforms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124563)

you will end up with a low cost, low profile machine with TV-out that can be used as a media center box while (in a perfect world) being able to still playing XBox games online

Far be it from me to question this but given that it functions out the box as a Media Center extender with HDTV support and (rather expensive) wireless connectivity, isn't your argument for modding it moot?

Perhaps MS tried to fight off the "I'm modding my box to run XBMC!" crowd by giving it some support from the word go?

Re:Consoles are not general computing platforms (1)

Yusaku Godai (546058) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124379)

Well, Linux runs fine on a normal XBox (with a little tweakinga), and have you seen how cheaply you can get them for now? Really cheap mail server, if nothing else.

Re:Consoles are not general computing platforms (1)

timmyf2371 (586051) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124412)

For £50 I can get a P2-based machine, if not better, on eBay; if I want to spend a lot of money on a 360, it wouldn't be for an expensive mail server...

Re:Consoles are not general computing platforms (1)

Yusaku Godai (546058) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124443)

I'm talking about the original XBox--and it is capable of more than just being a mail server. As for the 360, by the time it's at all easy to run Linux on it, they hopefully will have come down in price, and would make for a significantly powerful computing platform for its low price.

Re:Consoles are not general computing platforms (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124389)

Why?

Why climb Mount Everest?

Because it's there!

The Xbox 360 is there, and thus these people won't rest until it runs Linux.

Re:Consoles are not general computing platforms (2, Insightful)

sonoluminescence (709395) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124407)

To piss off Microsoft.

Re:Consoles are not general computing platforms (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124431)

You missed the whole point of being a geek. Sorry, slashdot is not for you, don't come back.

Re:Consoles are not general computing platforms (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124434)

One of the big advantages of consoles....
No, you're wrong. There is exactly one advantage to consoles. The only advantage to consoles is that they are general purpose computers sold below cost.
You get nothing out of running Linux on such hardware.
Really? You see nothing out of buying a computer faster than the one I have for several hundred dollars cheaper?

Geeks don't need a "why." (4, Insightful)

MP3Chuck (652277) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124467)

I mean seriously ... why not put Linux on the XBox? If there are some hackers out there that get their rocks off porting Linux to everything from new architectures to dead badgers [strangehorizons.com] , then more power to them if they want to tackle the X360, too. And IMO it'd be pretty damn cool to have 1) the power and 2) the form-factor in a general-purpose box.

Re:Consoles are not general computing platforms (2, Insightful)

parryFromIndia (687708) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124551)

onto lean and special-purpose hardware?

Well, special purpose ok, but lean? After seeing the CPU specifications (3 symmetric cores, each with 2threads and running at 3,2Ghz each with plenty of registers) I thought that's pretty high end hardware. May be it's cripped in some other way that I can't see? It sure would be quite fun running Linux on this box for the power and form factor - all the power to the hackers!

First step! (4, Funny)

Libor Vanek (248963) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124317)

I already know 1st step "HowTo run Linux on your XBox 360" - it's:

1, Attach your XBox on a string so it can be c00l enough ;-)

Third and fourth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124522)

3) ???
4) Profit.

Anyone care to develop step 2?

Well, in regards to piracy... (5, Interesting)

Sigmund Dali (925077) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124323)

I've long thought that the only reason MS decided to go with the smaller laptop drives is their drastically reduced capacity. Does the lure of piracy decrease with the size of the Hard Drive? I'll admit that on my modded XBox, I prefer to rip all of my *legit* games to the HD, just for easy access. Anybody else think the same way?

Re:Well, in regards to piracy... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124342)

Someone actually tried connecting a standard SATA drive to the 360.. it connects just fine, but the xbox doesn't recognize it without the right data on the disk. It's only time before someone finds out what the xbox looks for, makes a tool to convert your sata disk, and then have 350GB of hard drive space to play with :)

Re:Well, in regards to piracy... (3, Insightful)

Turmio (29215) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124587)

The Xbox360 HD is basically a standard SATA laptop HD covered with a fancy casing. If a modchip for the system is eventually developed, I'm pretty damn sure that compared to that feat, it's a piece of cake to build an adapter that lets you use any hard disk with a SATA connector with Xbox360. Sure you can't fit a 500GB 3.5" drive inside the case but who cares if it must sit next to the case if it works?

article submitters (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124341)

Has anyone else noticed that since digg.com came along, we've been getting article after article from it, just with different links?

It's like watching some shitty MMORPG - people farming by waiting at the source for one commodity and taking it someplace else.

The last 3 articles - xbox 360 linux, string for crashing xbox 360s, and firefox fps engine - were on digg earlier. There's technically nothing bad about the stories - they're News for Nerds and all that, just like there's nothing technically wrong with the money you can buy for Guild Wars on ebay, but it's cheap and crappy.

Re:article submitters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124565)

In case you're too dumb to realize this, the stories on digg are mostly from *gasp* OTHER SITES as well!

How To (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124355)

1. Get modified Xbox with Linux installed
2. Suspend on a piece of string
3. Spin 360 degrees on piece of string
4. Profit!

Good idea (5, Funny)

GroeFaZ (850443) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124399)

because game consoles, too, want to be free.

WOOO Yeah, gimmie motherfuckin lunix on EVERYTHING (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124402)

and then what? you wanna write games?
You won't get very far without MS's SDK.

Do any of you twats realise how many custom kernel drivers will need to be written just to make use of any of the devices? You're stupid for not dismissing this outright.

The people who say, "X360 is a PPC box, porting OSX to it is TRIVIAL!!!" should be shot.
This is what passes for technical know how here? You stupid fucking nerds can only whine, while the real movers and shakers in the software world actually get things done.
Go back to your perl scripts and X configs and your broken over optimized binaries.

Why the fuck do I still read this shit? Four years ago I actually believed that the your comments were worth anything.

Re:WOOO Yeah, gimmie motherfuckin lunix on EVERYTH (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124453)

Amen, brother.

Re:WOOO Yeah, gimmie motherfuckin lunix on EVERYTH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124490)

Don't worry, it is just puberty you are experiencing right now.

Another 3-4 years, you will be fine.

Sounds like a good warm up (5, Insightful)

koan (80826) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124432)

To cracking the Trusted Computing hardware.

Question (3, Interesting)

GroeFaZ (850443) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124433)

As other posters have noted, game consoles share the distinctive trait of standardized, special-purpose hardware, on which a general-purpose Linux OS is installed. But even the best game consoles make for pretty poor PCs if you just look at the specs, so it seems to me that this is more of a proof-of-concept and the sheer devilish joy of seeing Tux on an Xbox.

But is it not possible to modify a distro for specifically that set of hardware that comes with, say, the Xbox 360? Would the gain in performance not be equal to that of games software written for that set of hardware?

Re:Question (5, Funny)

Slashcrap (869349) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124528)

But even the best game consoles make for pretty poor PCs if you just look at the specs, so it seems to me that this is more of a proof-of-concept and the sheer devilish joy of seeing Tux on an Xbox.

3 x 3.2Ghz Power PC CPUs, 512MB memory, high-end GPU, 20GB HDD & wireless.

I see what you mean. It's hardly worth bothering with really is it?

This is not the slashdot I once knew (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124438)

Hello fellow slashdotters, I've been reading slashdot for several years but this is ourageous.
As the Executive Sales Manager for Microsoft XBox 360 I don't see this as news but a direct
illegal action against the Microsoft corporation. Hacking the XBox hardware which the machine was
not originally intended for will be further looked into by the FBI and CIA as it is considered a
hostile Terrorist action against the United States of America's privatly owned enterprises. We
have the governments full support to fight this Communist plague and any attempt to interfere or
hinder this investigation will result in an immediate hostile response.

You could (1)

earthshake (908804) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124454)

just use a simple PC to run Linux you know.

this is good for microsoft (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124497)

microsoft don't care if you run linux on the xbox. they wont loose that much money. (i know that currently they loose a bit on each xbox they sell, but the more they sell, the more they can push manufacturing costs down).

when 360.0 is cracked, they'll learn how it was done, and make 360.1 more secure. same when people crack 360.1 etc. all the xbox linux code will be open source so they can have a good look at the methods used.

this is all good practice for them so that oneday they'll be able to make a computer that will only run windows and signed code. then they'll claim that anyone not using their secure platform must be a hacker or software/music pirate. then they lobby the .gov. then they have no competitors.

But they do care if.. (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124518)

You run linux and not buy any games..

Remember they are gambling on game sales to make a profit on these things.

Re:But they do care if.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124607)

if they sell millions of xboxs then the prices of components will fall. in a few months time they will be making a proffit on each xbox.

they would loose the most money if after all the money they spent on R&D they sold very few xboxs

Re:this is good for microsoft (2, Insightful)

cronius (813431) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124554)

You mean the same way they look at how exploits are done and use that information to create a 100% virus/spyware/adware-free OS?

Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Nothing is perfect, and trying to decrypt and encrypt something on the same box right infront of the "evil consumer" is very hard to make bulletproof.

Re:this is good for microsoft (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124632)

It's "lose", not "loose".

Lies! All of it Lies! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14124578)

Lies. If you read their website, apparently some "guy on IRC told me [the evil hardware specs]." Some guy on IRC.

Now, I'm sure there is some nature of fritzing and DRM going on. But look at the OS X 86 builds. And Apple clearly has more prowess than Microsoft.

Erm why? (2, Interesting)

squoozer (730327) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124583)

It would be pretty cool if Linux worked on a 360 but please remind me again why people are trying to make it so? Aren't there enough projects crying out for some decent developer input already? Maybe I am just getting old and grumpy but this seems like a terrible waste of time that could be used to great benefit.

Cheap hardware of course (1)

Szplug (8771) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124637)

And breaking in to something that is 2nd gen built against it, and beating Microsoft.

TCPA (4, Interesting)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 8 years ago | (#14124631)

This is (as far as I know) the very first Trusted Computing platform that we can put our hands on. Very, very interesting. And it is well done (no obvious flaws).

If somebody can break that, we may be safe! That or they may build a more secure one, but we'll be safe for more time anyway.

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