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KDE 3.5 Released

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the i'm-up-to-my-neck-in-gui-gui-code dept.

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WhiteFoxBR writes ""The KDE Project is happy to announce a new major release of the award-winning K Desktop Environment. Many features have been added or refined, making KDE the most complete, stable and integrated free desktop environment available." Here a Visual Guide to new features, including build-in ad-block for Konqueror and support for MSN and Yahoo! webcams in Kopete. "

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Kool! (4, Interesting)

suso (153703) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137269)

Way to go KDE folks and supporters. Even though I'm a Gnome user (actually, I'm a closet FVWM user), KDE never ceases to impress me and I do try it for periods of time. The last 8 years I've been using Open Source Software and Linux have been amazing. The amount of progress that all of us have made. There is still more to go, but its not hard to see that the gap is really closing in now. All the hard work and patience has paid off. Everyone give yourself a pat on the back.

Re:Kool! (2, Funny)

ramrom (934556) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137331)

The Webcam support for Yahoo was what I was waiting for. I had to switch to windows to do this before.

Re:Kool! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137451)

From the article: Many features have been added or refined, making KDE the most complete, stable and integrated free desktop environment available.

Don't you get sick of reading this shit in slashdot submissions? Since when is the buggy, bloated and poorly organized crapfest that is KDE the most complete, stable and integrated desktop available? This has nothing to do with GNOME BTW... the halfwit zealot who submitted this news doesn't specify Linux. Mac OSX and Windows may be proprietary DRM infected piles of shit... but they are damned sight more stable, integrated and complete than KDE... so is GNOME for that matter.

Ever since it became clear that KDE is dead for any kind of enterprise use, the KDE mouthpieces have gone into overdrive. The recent bullshit slashdot article on "type managers" being a classic example of a piss-poor plug for some shitty KDE apps masquerading as an article.

Re:Kool! (4, Interesting)

digidave (259925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137547)

"Mac OSX and Windows may be proprietary DRM infected piles of shit... but they are damned sight more stable, integrated and complete than KDE... so is GNOME for that matter."

For one thing, they said it was the most stable, integrated and complete *free* desktop, so Windows and OS X don't count. However, I use KDE by choice at work even though I was encouraged to use Windows, could have used OS X and did try Gnome. I think KDE is more integrated than Windows or Gnome and is on par with OS X. Its features are second to none (Windows and OS X don't even compete with the features I use a lot, such as working with remote servers).

I think it's important to remember that everybody uses their computer in different ways. KDE is great for me and a lot of other people and it pisses us off when a condescending jerk like you tries to blow it off as crap just because you heard it was bloated (but can't provide proof) and think it may be buggy (but can't list any more bugs in KDE than any other DE) and say it's poorly organized (even though it's all customizable).

Re:Kool! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137561)

/begin joke

Yea KDE 3.5 is out! All I have to do now is wait 6-9 months for it to be available in portage!
 
:)
 
/end joke

Re:Kool! (1)

suso (153703) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137666)

Well the joke is on you. It was added to portage today. Er, you said available. Ok you're right.

Re:Kool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137697)

I mean before it hits "stable" in portage ;)

Re:Kool! (2, Interesting)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137689)

I'm also a Gnome user (and XFCE on slower machines), but it is amazing to see what these folks are doing. I used KDE exclusively up until 3.1 or so and it has always gotten better with every release. In my view Gnome has only just surpassed it in the last few releases (though purely from a usability standpoint, which will vary from person to person), but in general all of the "big" projects tend to feed off of each other. When one improves the other does, and it's great to see it in action.

I too have been a long time Linux user (originally used Mandrake 5.1, though I don't know how far back that was. I'm now using Gentoo). It's definately come a LONG ways since then.

What's that sound? (3, Funny)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137272)

That sound you heard was the developer's Gears grinding away for this release.

Re:What's that sound? (3, Funny)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137351)

What's that sound?

"award-winning" "the most complete, stable and integrated"

To me, it sounds like a marketroid has somehow snuck in.

Lopete link (5, Informative)

Cougem (734635) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137291)

The link to Kopete actually links to Konqy. You want this [kde.org] .

Let's just have one Linux desktop (1, Insightful)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137295)

Competition and choice is great. It's also a barrier to entry for commercial software. And given that it's unrealistic to have all software be free, let's make it easier for linux adoption to take place. Let's have one desktop/widgetset/toolkit be the standard for X on Linux. One that's always deployed with X on Linux, so people have something to code to.

All the whining about how choice is good and it makes better products distracts from a more important factor. All the competing options make incompatability and confusion unavoidable.

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (-1, Troll)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137313)

i.e. Windows for Linux?

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (5, Insightful)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137333)

You speak as though Linux developers want to make it easy. Some do. Some don't. Some don't care. You can't really talk as though Linux is a cohesive business, for it is neither.

troll? (-1, Troll)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137334)

I'm serious. I'm not trying to rake up shit. The multiplicity of options is a waste of time and energy, and it makes compatability a pain in the ass.

Of course, on Slashdot, if you question the mob mentality then you're clearly just a troll posting flamebait, right?

Re:troll? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137392)

for most people the discussion of whether it's best to have a single desktop is old old old, and it is clear that having multiple desktops is better than having one.

maybe you're new, or maybe you just haven't thought it through enough. or maybe you're trolling.

Re:troll? (1, Informative)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137478)

I can run Qt/KDE programs under Gtk/GNOME, and vise versa. A developer need only select the toolkit/desktop that best fulfills their development needs.

Re:troll? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137591)

I'm serious. I'm not trying to rake up shit. The multiplicity of options is a waste of time and energy, and it makes compatability a pain in the ass.

Yes your tired old argument is a troll. It's not going to happen, it simply is not the nature of the computing world, get over it and stop wasting everyones time and energy with this argument.

Re:troll? (2, Interesting)

MartinG (52587) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137731)

Free software products work like species. Their environment is the users and developers and they mutate to gain favour of the users. Their "random" mutation is the development cycle, including possibly many branches and forks with cross pollenation of both ideas and code. This is just the same as evolution in real species. Without enough variation and competition, species stagnate. Closed source software is mostly the same except the oppurtunity for random mutation is massively decreased.

Consider the web browser as an example. After Microsoft illegally crushed all the competition with IE, the browser stagnated for years while competition recovered. Once other had caught up, suddenly they start developmemt again. No cross pollenation of code because of incompatible licenses. (the offspring would be a mule) but ideas have spread. (tabbed browsing etc)

We need multiple competing desktops. That we have two that can (to some degree at least) cross pollenate code as well as ideas is part of what puts us at a potential advantage against commercial offerings. If we had only one, no code cross pollenation could occur and in that sense we would be on a more level playing field in terms of future potential.

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (0, Troll)

Mo6eB (832959) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137356)

This might happen eventually. Even now we have only 2 widget toolkits - Qt and gtk. The problem is that Qt is proprietary and this upsets some people. Also, we should have some sort of Open Source widget toolkit that we can fall back to when trolltech goes by the wayside, though they will probably just release Qt as Open Source then and we will see some merge between the two. For now, you just select the DE you like the most and install only the minimal number of components needed to run the other one's programs.

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137389)

Umm, Qt has been GPL for a while. Stop the FUD.

Mod Parent Down! (2, Informative)

Omicron32 (646469) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137394)

QT has been released under the GPL for years.

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (5, Informative)

Ngwenya (147097) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137414)

The problem is that Qt is proprietary and this upsets some people. Also, we should have some sort of Open Source widget toolkit that we can fall back to when trolltech goes by the wayside, though they will probably just release Qt as Open Source

Qt was released under the GPL a long while ago. You can license it for non-GPL applications, but then you have to pay TrollTech money. The "Qt is not free" myth is covered in the KDE Myths section: here [urbanlizard.com]

--Ng

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (2, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137701)

Also, we should have some sort of Open Source widget toolkit that we can fall back to when trolltech goes by the wayside, though they will probably just release Qt as Open Source

Also, to top that off the KDE foundation has an additional agreement that if "trolltech goes by the wayside", they get a completely unrestricted (as in BSD-like) license to the code. And Qt4 is now also GPL'd for Windows (always a source of confusion/FUD), previously only the X11/Mac version existed as open source.

The only annoying thing is that the Windows/GPL version does not have compiler support for MS Visual C++, and the patches that are supposed to add that produce libraries that compile, but are flawed. I really wish KDevelop would come as Windows native, it's a brilliant counterpart on the Linux side (and yes, I know you can do Cygwin etc.)

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (1, Interesting)

haeger (85819) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137417)

[snip]The problem is that Qt is proprietary...

Trolltech licensing. [trolltech.com]

Is it really? I was under the impression that it was Open Source. But then I'm not a lawyer and haven't been paying that much attention to it. They seem to mention GPL on that page though. But perhaps that's just the program that you write yourself with the Qt library, not the library itself.

.haeger

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137742)

They seem to mention GPL on that page though. But perhaps that's just the program that you write yourself with the Qt library, not the library itself.

I'm not sure if you're making fun of the parent or not, but it is GPL. It's quite impossible for your program to be GPL and Qt not, because the GPL requires that the work as a whole is licensed under the GPL. (technically, the Qt library could be under an even more liberal license like BSD or LGPL, but not a less liberal one)

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (4, Insightful)

baafie (765151) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137446)

Wow, that's a lot of FUD in one post. I'm impressed.

Even now we have only 2 widget toolkits - Qt and gtk.

Not true; there are several alternatives.

The problem is that Qt is proprietary and this upsets some people.

Not true: QT3-X11 is available under the GNU GPL; QT4 is available under the GNU GPL even for windows. In addition to that, QT is available under proprietary licenses; this has no effect on the GPL release whatsoever.

Also, we should have some sort of Open Source widget toolkit that we can fall back to when trolltech goes by the wayside, though they will probably just release Qt as Open Source then and we will see some merge between the two.
QT already is open source.

You should really do some research before you start spreading FUD. People like you give people like us a bad name.

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137576)

The licensing for Qt could be a problem if it became the standard X widget set if is only either GPL or pay software (I'm not sure of the exact situation), as it would present a big hurdle to proprietary software on Linux. GTK is LGPL, so commercial apps can link to it without having to be open source themselves.

And, no, not every company is going to release their software under the GPL.

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137362)

Yeah, umm, X does come with a standard window manager, it is called TWM...

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137387)

"Competition and choice is great. It's also a barrier to entry for commercial software."

Correct on that one.

"And given that it's unrealistic to have all software be free..."

That is *not* a given. Many people involved with Linux and other Free software do not want non-free software to gain a large following on otherwise Free systems, and are not eager to do anything to encourage non-free Linux software.

"Let's have one desktop/widgetset/toolkit be the standard for X on Linux".

KDE and Gnome run apps written for the other just fine as long as the relevant libs are installed.

Free software is about freedom. Saying "Let's agree on one desktop so users/developers won't get confused" is like saying "Let's agree on one political party so voters won't get confused".

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (2)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137416)

There is one KDE desktop.

And one Gnome desktop.

And one FVWM desktop. and so on.

Linux is just the kernel. X11 just a window manager. There are just several interfaces that run on top of these, and that is what the user or corporation selects, depending on their likes and dislikes.

People have their own preferences. Give them a choice. Anyway it isn't as if they are programming it for money, it's their own time, so let them do what they want.

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137536)

There is one KDE desktop.

And one Gnome desktop.

And one FVWM desktop.

And one kernel to rule them all

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (2, Insightful)

arkanoid.dk (895391) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137430)

All the whining about how choice is good and it makes better products distracts from a more important factor. All the competing options make incompatability and confusion unavoidable.

So basically, one has to decide: Is it better with several parallel applications, that allow for a lot of people to test many different implementations of features, to find those that work best, or is it better to put one, standardized desktop-application on top of the X-standard?
Sure, it could allow for lesser confusion due to incompatibility, but this isn't a competition. This is about exploring different paths to satisfy the most users. I enjoy having the power of choice in regard to which window-manager I want to use, and I intend to keep this power, more than allowing some sort of monopoly on such an important part of the Linux system.

only one widgetset? why? (3, Insightful)

diegocgteleline.es (653730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137462)

Let's have one desktop/widgetset/toolkit be the standard for X on Linux

You don't need a "single widgetset/toolkit" to make a great "user experience".

Windows actually has several widget implementations. Access has its own widget set (don't remember the link, sorry), IE has its own widget set [msdn.com] , office has its own widget set (noticed how the scrolling bar in office is like windows 98 instead of looking like in the XP theme? The same happens for messenger BTW)

They don't have a "single" widget implementation - they just have several widget implementations which LOOK THE SAME. In the same way, you don't need gtk OR qt - you want a way to make them look the same (the usability guidelines like menus etc are another matter). Implement the same theme for both desktops and make kde swwitch to a different look when you change the gnome theme and viceversa and you're done.

Let's just have one..desktop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137497)

Why wait for Linux to do it? [syllable.org] It's not the only game in town.

Let's just have one Language (1)

i_should_be_working (720372) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137506)

Competition and choice is great. It's also a barrier to entry for children growing up. And given that it's unrealistic to have all languages be understandable, let's make it easier for language adoption to take place. Let's have one culture/language/religion be the standard for people on earth. One that everyone on earth follows, so people have something in common.

All the whining about how choice is good and it makes life better distracts from a more important factor. All the competing viewpoints make incompatability and confusion unavoidable.

Re:Let's just have one Language (1)

joelsanda (619660) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137682)

Let's have one culture/language/religion be the standard for people on earth

Which language? English? Latin? Esperanto? Let's have one culture/language/religion be the standard for people on earth. Homogenous is great for milk, not so good for culture and people.

Re:Let's just have one Language (1)

i_should_be_working (720372) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137733)

It's a joke. See the comment I was responding to.

Disagree (1)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137648)

KDE and GNOME have both matured to a point where they both have established "personalities" and there are good reasons for choosing one over the other. In my case, I prefer using KDE on the "family" computer while my home workstation uses GNOME. Additionally, the two desktops are getting pretty good at dealing with each others applications provided the appropriate libraries are there.

My point is, two dominant desktops need not be a weakness provided the two desktops agree to "play nice" with each other. I would instead propose that both teams develope a single login manager that works equally well with either GNOME or KDE. Call it "IDM" since "I" is halfway between "G" and "K".

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (4, Insightful)

mw13068 (834804) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137654)

Competition and choice is great.

Yes, it is.

It's also a barrier to entry for commercial software.

Are we creating Free Software for the users? or the developers of commercial software? Personally, I'd rather have freedom, and a wide array of options than a wide array of commercial (and most probably non-free) software. I don't care if commercial software developers have a hard time fitting in. Some will make the effort, and some won't. Either way, I won't use their products if they restrict my freedom to do as I like with it.

And given that it's unrealistic to have all software be free, let's make it easier for linux adoption to take place.

All software doesn't need to be free. But conversely, all software shouldn't be non-free either. Each user should be able to choose from a wide variety of options to best suit their own needs. And in my opinion, Free Software cares more about the user than non-free software. What good would wide "linux" adoption be if all the "linux" users were saddled by hundreds of non-free software package licenses? I care about the adoption of software freedom, not your interpretation of "linux".

All the whining about how choice is good and it makes better products distracts from a more important factor. All the competing options make incompatability and confusion unavoidable.

It sounds as though you're a software developer who hasn't got a real handle on the Free Software/Open-source development model, and therefore you're finding it hard to become rich and famous... Or perhaps you submitted a patch and have had it rejected, or something. Anyway, your OP seems like ax grinding.

Join in the fun, or use a commercial (non-free) OS. But don't try to reduce the choice that other's enjoy.

Yesssss!!!! (1)

jesterpilot (906386) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137713)

This comment appeared on slashdot while i was writing this: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169622&c id=14137500 [slashdot.org]

I wonder if i ever read an article on /. without someone touting (hidden or less hidden) one of these misconceptions about linux-for-normal-people or linux-in-the-real-world.

Re:Let's just have one Linux desktop (1)

TallMatthew (919136) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137716)

Competition and choice is great. It's also a barrier to entry for commercial software.

Not really. Commercial software developers, Linux distributors and, ultimately, the consumers who buy their products, will choose which environment comes out on top. Witness VHS vs Betamax. The odd one out will dissipate. Being the most commercial Linux distro installs Gnome by default, that would seem to be the one that's been chosen.

That doesn't mean KDE will disappear. Dissipate maybe, not not dissapear. I'm not sure how much of a market there is for commercial Linux software anyway, especially software that relies on desktop environment API.

Typical misunderstanding (2, Insightful)

TA (14109) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137761)

You don't get it: There's no incompatibility! What desktop you use does not matter when it comes to which applications you can run. I used to run KDE, now I use FVWM and I can (of course!) run any of the KDE applications I used in the past, just as I can use any and whatever GNOME application I want. It does not matter which desktop you use.

The point is that some desktops or window managers will be annoying to some people because of the way they choose to work (e.g. some prefer to have lots of desktops with lots of overlapping windows, next door some guy prefers not having any overlapping windows at all, these people will typically want totally different focus/click/to-front/to-back behaviour) and often this is best achieved by choosing another desktop type. But any application will work fine all the same!

This is one of the greatest strengths of X11. Forcing everyone to use the same desktop is like forcing everybody to use the same length skis: It works somehow, but don't tell me it's good for everyone.

My *personal* Screenshots! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137302)

Re:My *personal* Screenshots! (1)

ZiakII (829432) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137340)

Anyone notice that the copyright says 2004? and not 2005?

Re:My *personal* Screenshots! (1, Funny)

HappyCakeOven (900863) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137464)

Finally, someone integrated time travel in a desktop environment. I can retire the DeLorean now.

YAY (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137305)

I for one welcome our new stable desktop overlords :)

It's About Frickin Time!!! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137308)

It is about frickin time that open source IM clients integrated voice and video. Congratulations to Kopete and KDE for implementing this LONG OVERDUE feature. Welcome to the 2000 chat world.

Webcam - yes! (5, Interesting)

Zoidmann (869204) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137322)

The missing ability to use a webcam easily under KDE, is actually an argument for some people I know to stick with Windows. So this is great news - now I might convince them into actually trying this "Linux-thing", so I can stop supporting their infected Windows XP Home machines (yes, then I would have to support them with Linux, but with a little help from CrossOver they can keep using most of the software they are dependant upon).

I haven't got a webcam myself at the moment, so I have no idea how it works in Kopete. If you have tested it, and can recommend a webcam that is working nicely under Linux, I would like to hear about it. Are there webcams out for Linux that actually support face-tracking?

Re:Webcam - yes! (3, Interesting)

Digital Warfare (746982) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137370)

Kopete webcam support is nothing new, Mercury - www.mercury.to the java based messenger (admittadly for MSN only) has had Webcam support for a while :) and I prefer the original smilies ;)

Re:Webcam - yes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137535)

Well sure, Mercury is quite nice. I've used it for a while myself. But the amount of RAM that it uses is really inexcusable.

Still, it's a very cool Java app.

Re:Webcam - yes! (1)

Zoidmann (869204) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137657)

Kopete webcam support is nothing new

But it's a new thing it's included as standard - I have read about versions of Kopete that should work with webcams before, just never the "official" branch. (You have to love OSS sometimes).

www.mercury.to the java based messenger (admittadly for MSN only)

Hm, I just read on their page that they will start supporting Jabber as well... still, I like using Kopete, so it's very unlikely I will change to another IM, unless they start getting broken protocols so chatting becomes impossible with users on MSN. But hey, sometimes it does break for some days after "upgrades" by Microsoft, so I might give this Mercury a try sometime :-)

Great work (4, Interesting)

geo_2677 (593590) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137327)

The features seem to be pretty impressive. Now, not only do we have a two good browsers for Linux desktop, the healthy competition between FF and Konqueror will only make them richer. The ACL GUI feature is certainly a good enhancement.
Way to go KDE!!

KDE.org mirror (4, Informative)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137328)

Sicne it seems like Kde.org has taken somewhat of a hit, here is a mirror for it: http://kde.mirror.fr/ [mirror.fr]

Already slashdotted! (3, Interesting)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137358)

The site is already slashdotted. I will have to slow down a bit, till all the rush has calmed down. Meanwhile, let the rest of the Slashdot community begin the flames here on slashdot.

Anyone here using KOffice in a "real world" environment? The last time I attempted using it, I found it had tonnes of bugs!

Re:Already slashdotted! (1)

vdboor (827057) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137543)

Anyone here using KOffice in a "real world" environment? The last time I attempted using it, I found it had tonnes of bugs!

KOffice has a separate release, so it's not included with KDE 3.5. The upcoming version of KOffice looks promising, with better ODF support, better GUI tools, etc.. But I don't use KOffice yet either, maybe the new version will be good enough to make a switch.

Re:Already slashdotted! (1)

digidave (259925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137640)

"Anyone here using KOffice in a "real world" environment? The last time I attempted using it, I found it had tonnes of bugs!"

I primarily use OpenOffice.org 2.0, but keep KOffice around because it's very fast and seems to work well. I may be able to replace OOo with KOffice if I bothered trying to figure out how to do the same things. OOo has an excellent dialog for parsing fixed-width delimited files in Calc and their Save as CSV dialog is second to none.

KOffice is good, but with OOo 2.0 around it always seems like my second choice. I have actually been able to use it to open a few XLS files that Calc wouldn't open.

Now, if there was just an easy way to get rid of that 65536 row limit, I'd be all set.

What I didn't see (3, Insightful)

Hoplite3 (671379) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137366)

I'm a big KDE fan, and KDE has really improved since 3.4 when the new series just gelled. 3.5 promises to be more awesome. I especially look forward to konqueror improvements, as it's my browser of choice. I really appreciate its speed, especially on lower-end systems. Plus, it uses the KDE file picker that I find easier to use than the gnome one with firefox.

What I didn't see was much change in KDE's horrible default settings. The desktop is very configurable. Why does it have to look like some terrible pudgy windows clone? And what's with two toolbars on every app? Why not save some screen real estate for the body of the application? That toolbar for konqueror could easily be paired down to one row of icons with the location bar along side. I'm sick of a print icon on every application. I print things rarely enough off the web. That should be left to a menu, or just alt-p.

Still, if you're willing to configure KDE a little bit, it's awesome. The good news is that much of the configuration is easy, right-click kind of stuff.

Re:What I didn't see (5, Funny)

aesiamun (862627) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137425)

Yes because KDE was designed with you and only you in mind. No one else prints...NEVER! How can the KDE people be so thoughtless as to include something as useless as a printer button.

I hate KDE! Damn them for making useful stuff. :(

Re:What I didn't see (4, Informative)

10Ghz (453478) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137589)

What I didn't see was much change in KDE's horrible default settings.


KDE4 is what you need. Not only are there some serious usability-improvements, polishing, cleaning and other improvements in the pipeline (yes, seriously. Lots of KDE-devels seem to be fed up with the clutter), there seems to be some really low-level changes thought of as well.

Good things come to those who wait, and KDE4 will deliver lots of goodies. KDE3.5 is "just" an extension of KDE3.

Re:What I didn't see (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137687)

I actually really like Firefox's file save dialogue under Gnome.
I have bookmarks in it for all my commonly used save folders (src, rpms, dev, docs, work, ...), so instead of getting a normal save dialogue showing 50 folders that I rarely use and a bunch of files I don't need to be seeing, I can just select one of my bookmarks and hit Save. On the 1% chance that I don't want to save something in one of my bookmarks, I can just click the 'Browse for other folders' drop down and get a normal save dialogue.

Listen kids (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137367)

KDE is dumb. It looks blocky and choppy. Microsoft never intended for things to get this far, and I don't know why they have. Maybe they haven't. Call me a troll, but Microsoft should just go ahead and buy KDE for all of our gosh sakes. If it weren't for KDE, Linux would be better and have a nicer look and interface and kernel. It would perform like a Lamborghini compared to a Ferrari. If this doesn't make any sense to you, you are dumb and should be abolished.

You don't like it. DON'T INSTALL IT. Simple, non ? (5, Insightful)

Chaffar (670874) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137448)

Obviously, if you don't like it, don't install it... that's the beauty of Open source... CHOICE... Something 'Doze users wouldn't know about.

"Call me a troll"

Consider it done...

Cool! (5, Funny)

Omicron32 (646469) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137368)

Congratulations KDE team!

Now, knowing Gentoo this will be in the tree in the next 5 minutes. Woo, emerge is gonna be hot tonight, and tomorrow, and the day after, and probably some time after that too.... ;)

(Disclaimer: I use Gentoo, it doesn't actually take that long with kdeenablefinal flag on!)

Re:Cool! (1)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137525)

knowing Gentoo this will be in the tree in the next 5 minutes.

Actually, it's been in the tree since before the release. If you unmasked them and tried to emerge them, portage would just complain that it couldn't download any of the distfiles.

Re:Cool! (1)

digidave (259925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137777)

"knowing Gentoo this will be in the tree in the next 5 minutes"

Kubuntu already has it, just as they've released the beta and RC releases the same day as release.

Breakthrough? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137405)

KDE has made an exciting breakthrough in its support for removable devices. On detection of specific media types KDE presents the user with a list of optional actions. These actions are configurable in KDE's control center and can be disabled entirely. This goes a great deal of the way toward fixing an old complaint, that managing removable media is too difficult in Linux, by exposing existing features in KDE and Linux to the user in an obvious fashion.


How is that a breakthrough? It's a direct copy from XP. But anyway it's nice to see KDE advancing, still a bit too clunky for me but the more decent free desktops there are the better.

Re:Breakthrough? (1)

emidln (806452) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137622)

Actually, it appears that this is a direct copy from OS X. Good try and thanks for playing though! ;)

Visual Guide Mirror (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137406)

Courtesy of Mirrordot [mirrordot.org]

Something Kool for my Komputer! (-1, Redundant)

BigWhale (152820) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137411)

Finnaly I Kan use my Komputer! KDE offers evertyhing! Kool looks, Kool iKons, Kool interfaKe! And all sorts of Kool programs! kMail, Konqueror, Kate, Kalkulator, kOffice and really kool names for programs! ;)

Kould you kindly kan the naming konvention? (4, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137434)

Kareless konnotation kauses konsiderable konsternation.

Re:Kould you kindly kan the naming konvention? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137562)

Lame naming konvention: khekk.

Timed Out (1)

Professional Heckler (928160) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137440)

The kde server timed out. I suggest they commit some more bandwidth if they are going to take on all the /. users.

Google Maps and Blogger (5, Informative)

p0z3r (626621) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137443)

Two things.. if you want google maps to work, you have to add a user agent for maps.google.com/local.google.com to Konqueror as Safari.
If you want blogger.com to not post blank blog entries, add a user agent for www.blogger.com to Konqueror as Firefox.

Now email google to fix both of them so we don't have to do these silly workarounds.

Re:Google Maps and Blogger (1)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137644)

Also, if you like to be able to click on links, add a user agent for mail.google.com to Konqueror as Mozilla/Firefox.

Re:Google Maps and Blogger (4, Interesting)

digidave (259925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137722)

"Now email google to fix both of them so we don't have to do these silly workarounds."

I did email Google about that issue (I emailed Google Local because that's where I was at the time. Same problem there). I simply asked that they add Konqueror's user agent to the supported browsers after stating that the browser did work when I switched the user agent. This is their response.

--------------
local-help@google.com to me
Nov 17

Thank you for your note. It appears that you're having trouble using
Google Local because you're using a browser that is not fully supported.
In order to obtain full functionality of Google Local, please use one of
the supported browsers listed in our Help Center at
http://local.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answ er=16532&topic=1499 [google.com]

We appreciate your taking the time to send us your feedback regarding the
use of Konqueror with Google Local. We'll keep your comments in mind as we
continue to make improvements to this service.

Regards,
The Google Team
---------------------

Utterly frustrating. Sounds like a bot may have wrote that :(

Notable changes (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137449)

  • Konqueror is the second major web browser to pass the Acid2 CSS test, ahead of Firefox and Internet Explorer
  • Konqueror can also free webpages from adverts with its new ad-block feature
  • SuperKaramba is included in KDE, providing well-integrated and easy-to-install widgets for the user's desktop
  • Kopete has support for MSN and Yahoo! webcams
  • The edutainment module has three new applications (KGeography, Kanagram and blinKen), and has seen huge improvements in Kalzium

slashdotted??? (1)

Danzigism (881294) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137468)

did kde.org get slashdotted?? the screenshots looks great.. they keep getting better thats for sure.. i'm looking forward to using the new version.. so tough to choose between gnome and kde..

Re:slashdotted??? (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137771)

> ...the screenshots looks great.. they keep getting better thats for sure...

But I am still unhappy with the tool bars in Konqueror. Why won't the developers merge these? There is still lots of screen real-estate being "wasted." The default Firefox 1.0.7 layout is OK in my view. Buttons for incresing/decreasing font size and the "find" button should not be on the default layout. Anyone that needs these can add them later.

Filterset? (3, Interesting)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137490)

I wonder if the adblocker from Konqueror is compatibile with firefox Adblock.

(...As you've certainly noticed...) Adblock by itself is worthless. Its empty filter base makes it inactive and only weeks of careful building it would make the extension normally useful. Only combined with a good killfile like Filterset.G [pierceive.com] it really kicks ass, at once. Same applies to any other adblocker - what filters are available for Konqueror?

Re:Filterset? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137546)

I wonder if the adblocker from Konqueror is compatibile with firefox Adblock.

Yes, it is.

Looks like KDE is short on funds! (1)

Theovon (109752) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137509)

Because it appears that their Pentium II 233 box with 32 megs of RAM isn't quite cutting it as their web server for kde.org. :)

Re:Looks like KDE is short on funds! (1)

bad jerkface (930612) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137592)

The Black Angus called. They want their crappy server back.

Re:Looks like KDE is short on funds! (1)

HaydnH (877214) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137720)

Perhaps if they ran a lighter WM instead of KDE it might help ;P

Windows lookalike? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137512)

Why is KDE3.5 looking more and more like Windows? For instance with the insertion of a medium: what do you want me to do with it? This isn't user friendly, this is idiot-proof with more steps to reach your goal. Digg had a good article on that (comparing Windows vs Linux with Bike vs Car).

You will comply... (1)

bad jerkface (930612) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137522)

with the web standards. Does your browser comply? http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/test.html [webstandards.org]

Re:You will comply... (2, Insightful)

hammackj (872358) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137662)

Mine passes, but it means nothing. Most people still use Internet Explorer, and they wont change.

"Stable?" "Stable" is for Isotopes (4, Insightful)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137533)

Really. I love Linux, have been a user since the early 90's, but some of the language conventions just vex me. "Stable" for instance. Yeah, yeah, I know what is meant by it in this context, but it never fails to make me contemplate what an "unstable" desktop would be like, and the vision has nothing to do with BSODs. "Stable" is for relationships and isotopes, and is valid only in the context that most examples in kind are given to falling apart. It's part of the "I was happy to hear you are no longer beating your wife!" phrase family that achieves a "positive" slant only by dragging the listener through scary negative spaces. Linux deserves better than this.

It also deserves better than having its major graphics package called "The Gimp," but that's a discussion for a different day...

Re:"Stable?" "Stable" is for Isotopes (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137773)

Whatever. I'll take something called 'stable' over something called 'beta' any day, which seems to be what all free services are called today. Need I slashlink? Nah, I'll just wait for the dupe.

gentoo (4, Funny)

PePeBoTiKa (903062) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137549)

Arrggg, I've just finished the compile of KDE 3.4.3 on my gentoo system about an hour ago! And it's not a joke :-(

Doesn't KDE = Koit Damaged Experience ? (0, Troll)

axonis (640949) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137581)

If you want some serious koit damage choose KDE for your distro ,.... no just kidding ! We love all love Mark Shuttleworth decision to support KDE in Ubuntu..

If 3.5 is a major release... (4, Funny)

Call Me Black Cloud (616282) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137613)


...what will 4.0 be? A stupendous release? An amazing release? A "Moses came down with KDE 4.0 on some tablets" release?

I'm not knocking them, but I thought there was an accepted custom to releases. If the number to the left of the decimal point changes it's a major release and if it doesn't it's a minor release. Kids today and their releases...I can't keep up.

how to upgrade? (1)

frankcow (925500) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137656)

If I'm running SUSE 10, what should I do to upgrade? If I just use SUSE's update tool will I get it automatically? (yes, complete linux newb here)

Re:how to upgrade? (4, Informative)

Jonny_eh (765306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137774)

Go into YaST (Menu->Systen->YaST).

Open Software->'Installation Source'. You want to add a yast repository that contains the KDE 3. rpms. Lucky for us SuSErs, almost every suse mirror has them!

You can find mirrors from google if you search 'suse mirrors', and choose the 2nd result.

The directory that you need to choose depends on the mirror, but it is usually along the lines of pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_10.0.

Make sure you choose FTP, or HTTP depending on the server. Enable refresh on the server (this makes yast check to see if the repository is updated each time it's accessed).

Then click finish to close the 'installation source' window. Now in YaST, open 'software management'. What you want to do is display all your installed packages, so you want to filter based on the 'package groups', then choose 'zzz all packages', located at the bottom of the left side. This will show you every package that you have installed, and is available to install. Now click 'Package->All in this List->Update if Newer Version is Available'. Now all the installed packages that can be updated have been selected!

Click 'Accept', and try an solve any conflicts that arise, usually solve each conflict one at a time and click 'OK - Try Again' each time, sometimes solving one conflict removes others.

It'll then tell you of any extra packages that will be needed, and away you go!

Re:how to upgrade? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14137784)

Install apt and Kynaptic (use yast for that), with them is easier to install programs. You can do a quick search in the web: apt suse repository
I am sure you are able to discover the rest.

http://ernestus.no-ip.info/ [no-ip.info]

Unstable bloatware. (0, Flamebait)

weevlos (766887) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137712)

This release was so bad that Debian pulled it, in its entirety, out of testing for 3 days straight. I did a dist upgrade and everything KDE went away.

Been a KDE user for a long time, but 3.5 is half-baked and should not have been released except as an alpha.

Now we just need... (3, Interesting)

squoozer (730327) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137741)

...one of the major distributions to get behind KDE and push it a bit. Debian is about the closest I can think of (yes, I know I'm going to get flamed for that) and that is desktop neutral. There's kubuntu but that could hardn't be called major (although I think it will do pretty well).

It's a real shame because IMVVHO I think KDE is the better Desktop system. I know under the hood Gnome is supposed to be better but quite frankly as long as it works I don't really care. I want different things from my desktop than from my API. I want my desktop to be inviting and fun to use I want the APIs I use to be like my bank manager (boring and predictable). Gnome seems to have the API right but the desktop wrong and KDE has the desktop but not the API. I might be totally wrong here because I have never used the API of either (roll on (a fast) swing) but that's the impression I get from the advocates for each side.

The other main argument against KDE is that it is too much of a Windows clone. Perhaps I'm the only one that thinks this but I think that's a good thing. I can switch quickly between windows and KDE without too much thought. Like it or not, M$ have spent millions designing an easy to use desktop system. Perhaps it's not perfect but I can't help feeling that the Gnome people are being different simply because they don't want look like windows.

A big step up from KDE 1.x (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 8 years ago | (#14137781)

Bleargh - anyone remember this old thing? KDE 1.x [mirror.fr] . Got a box at work with it still on there - Redhat 7? 8? and it pains me.
But agreed on the comments about the default styles.
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