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360 Sells 400k Units, New Stock This Weekend

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the we'll-see-how-that-goes dept.

XBox (Games) 64

Next Generation is reporting an estimate of 400,000 units sold for the Xbox 360 in its first week on the retail shelves. Microsoft is planning on having more stock available as of this weekend. From the article: "It seems even the biggest retailers are in the dark. Speaking to USA Today, Circuit City's Jim Babb said, 'We knew demand would outstrip supply for some time. I have been told we'll get additional supplies, so I can only advise customers keep checking back with stores and on the website.' Microsoft is gearing up for its European launch this weekend, but many believe the shortages could be even worse over there. Retail supplies are said to be tiny, and many customers who have pre-ordered have been told that they may not receive their machines this side of the New Year."

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Shipped/sold? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14159070)

So what about the reports of "Core" units still sitting on the shelves? Is there any truth to them?

Re:Shipped/sold? (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159184)

I just went to three different stores, and none of them had any 360s for sale. That's in downtown Montreal. They had games, controllers, even a few HD's in Futureshop's case, but none of them had the box. I suppose it depends on the region.

Re:Shipped/sold? (1)

Bluetick (516014) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159327)

I've been to a few stores, haven't seen any core or premiums available. Wasn't looking to buy, just look. I figure I'll wait a few months for the demand to calm down.

Re:Shipped/sold? (2, Informative)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 8 years ago | (#14160297)

Here in the UK... with the official launch in about 10 hours, I'd say an emphatic yes.

I found out today that the UK's most incompetent high-street retailer, Dixons, won't be honouring my pre-order, which I made in August. After work, I trawled around central London, trying to find shops that had reserved some stock and *weren't* doing a midnight opening, from which I might be able to grab one first thing in the morning. Pretty much nowhere had any full systems. However, most places assured me they had more than enough Core systems, if I wanted one (which I don't). I'd say there was a hint of desperation in some cases.

I love my X-Box and I can't wait to get my 360, but this launch has been the biggest self-inflicted cock-up ever. Had MS concentrated entirely on the full system, they could have sold of these just as quickly and wouldn't have had surplus stock of the Core looking like it could be sat on the shelves until Christmas.

And, in case I didn't already mention, Dixons, all their staff and all their stakeholders, utterly, utterly suck.

Re:Shipped/sold? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14160712)

Here in the UK...
I swear, that phrase's gonna be the next troll. If it's not already.
Modding down every post starting with it... We don't give a phoq about the here in the UK. Tell us your opinion, the position it lies upon, what you feel, what you are, but don't pretend to be 'bester' because you're "here in the UK". It actually kills the rest of your post, damn it.

Re:Shipped/sold? (1)

I(rispee_I(reme (310391) | more than 8 years ago | (#14160842)

If the phrase is the next troll, it will be solely because your post begins
with it. Grandparent was commenting on the local availability of core
sets in the UK.

where can i go (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14159093)

to buy one for $1000? I missed out on all the ebay deals last weekend, and i feel like a moron.

Re:where can i go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14160596)

Well, if this [joystiq.com] is correct then you could still pay $799 at JCPenny for one. Not quite a grand but almost as good.

Poll? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14159096)

Well if you go by the Slashdot poll you would think no one wants it.

It becomes obvious that the vast majority of /.'ers are lying moron sheep that follow the crowd just like everyone else.

Re:Poll? (3, Insightful)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159466)

There's roughly 280 million people in the US, there are less than one million users on Slashdot. Even if no Slashdot user bought it that number would be quite attainable.

Re:Poll? (1)

rabbot (740825) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159761)

Or could it be that the majority of people out there that bought the 360 don't post on /.? Regardless of the fact that the polls on /. should not be used for any real statistical analysis, it seems to back up the comments that the majority of /. users have made regarding the system in the months leading up to release day.

We're not "lying moron sheep" simply because you somehow think most of those 400,000 people (not a lot of people considering as of July '05 there are 295,734,134 people living in the US) that bought an xbox 360 actually participate in /. polls.

Thanks for the laugh though. Please mod parent +funny.

Re:Poll? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14160100)

Quick search on Ebay shows close to 8000 premium and core systems for sale. That's only the count right now. I wonder just how many of those 400,000 units were actually sold for personal use and how many were bought for profit via resale.

Re:Poll? (1)

RoadDoggFL (876257) | more than 8 years ago | (#14160717)

Does it change the fact that every Xbox sold has somebody out there that wants it? I don't see how 400,000 is any different because the first person who bought it didn't actually want it, because the last person who bought it certainly did (at up to $5,000...).

Re:Poll? (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14160381)

It becomes obvious that the vast majority of /.'ers are lying moron sheep that follow the crowd just like everyone else.

Quiet you! I'm not buying a Xbox360, but a Sony PS3!!

Now, you'll have to exscuse me while I listen to my Celine Dione CD... Hrm... And also find out why my CPU usage is at 100%!

Re:Poll? (1)

Tachikoma (878191) | more than 8 years ago | (#14161529)

"vast majority of /.'ers are lying moron sheep that follow the crowd just like everyone else."

I am not a lier.
I conceed the other two.

Sticking with PC's I guess... (0, Flamebait)

joemawlma (897746) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159177)

This is enough reason for me to not buy an XBOX360 EVER. In order to create a frenzy which in turn creates buzz and will most likely help sell even more of their consoles later on, they purposely make sure to not have enough supply for the demand in the beginning. This is just rude and evil.

Thousands would LOVE to buy a 360, but because of M$ greed, every place will be sold out for some time. They can do this and it works simply because there is no other next gen consoles competing with them at this time.

And the unfortunate, extremely desperate people who didn't get one before it sold out are having to pay triple the price on Ebay. Just lame Microsoft, LAME!

Where's Google's gaming console? At least I could trust they wouldn't dick around with their customers.

Re:Sticking with PC's I guess... (2, Funny)

cjb909 (838363) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159352)

Google has a game console. It's in beta, and you have to be invited by someone who already has one.

Re:Sticking with PC's I guess... (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159406)

Google's gaming console BETA is a JavaScript engine. Here's Super Mario Bros. in JavaScript [janis.or.jp] .

Re:Sticking with PC's I guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14160415)

First things first: if Microsoft was being evil, don't you think they'd want more on the market? Market interest is at its height at a product launch, that is, until some killer games come along. Xbox 360 would have been able to sell hundreds of thousands more units had MS been able to get them produced. They needed to be on the shelves by Christmas, though, and they just didn't finish the hardware fast enough. Oh, and trust me, there'll be several good reasons to own a 360 within the next 18 months (which, by then, maybe the premium bundle, Perfect Dark, and Kameo will all have gotten at least one price slashing).

Second, I don't think you could trust Google any more than MS. They're a great company, but they, like MS, are looking at a bottom line.

Re:Sticking with PC's I guess... (1)

thesandtiger (819476) | more than 8 years ago | (#14160435)


And the unfortunate, extremely desperate people who didn't get one before it sold out are having to pay triple the price on Ebay. Just lame Microsoft, LAME!


It isn't as if this is something like insulin and MSFT is the only supplier, you know.

Unfortunate? Hardly. Extremely desperate? Ok. "HAVING to pay triple the price"? Only if they're unable to exhibit the least iota of self-control.

It is a consumer electronics product, a luxury item, and MS played this exactly right in order to make the most out of the market. It was an excellent marketing effort, and that's what they have a responsibility to do.

It may surprise you, but if everyone who wanted one was able to get one right off, they'd probably sell far fewer in the long run, and generate much less hype and buzz.

Re:Sticking with PC's I guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14160508)

Awww come on, how can poor little Microsoft claim they sold out X systems and make it sound important if they shipped plenty and made these things easy to obtain? "We have sold out on all X of our Xbox360s on release" is a lot more marketable then "We sold Z 360s, but Y is still sitting on the shelves".

You don't get free news stories along the lines of "Hot Xbox360 consoles sold out, parents and others riot for theirs" and absurd ebay prices by meeting supply and demand! And nothing does wonders for demand then when you have places reporting that you might not even get one this year.

Now I have to wonder, with these new shipments, what is going to happen to the places that failed to sell X games/peripherals/etc that Microsoft demanded? I guess some places are going to get some really low single digit amounts to none at all.

Re:Sticking with PC's I guess... (4, Interesting)

Quarters (18322) | more than 8 years ago | (#14161304)

This is enough reason for me to not buy an XBOX360 EVER. In order to create a frenzy which in turn creates buzz and will most likely help sell even more of their consoles later on, they purposely make sure to not have enough supply for the demand in the beginning. This is just rude and evil.

Or, more likely, it's just business. While the rude and evil theory resonates with a certain age group quite well it just doesn't stand up logically.

Microsoft, like most electronic manufacturers, doesn't own the factory that makes their hardware. They sub out the manufacturing to Pacific rim contract manufacturers like Flextronics. Flextronics only has a certain amount of manufacturing capabilities. On average those facilities are running at near full capacity. It's not in Flextronics' best interest to have extra production capacity that is just sitting around unused. Microsoft has to work out a deal with Flextronics to get a finite amount of production capabilities, more than likely givng up their 1st gen XBox manufacturing run in the process, just to get more space. They get X amount of facility and tell Flextronics that they want to launch te console on a certain date. Flextronics says, "Ok, that means you will have # consoles at launch and # consoles each week after that."

At this point Microsoft has a few options:

1) Live with that production capability 2) Sub out to more manufacturers 3) Pay Flextronics to build more space

Option 1 saves the most up front money but means a hard limit on the # of consoles at launch. Option 2 can increase the # of consoles at launch, but the availability of those consoles is dependent on the # of manufacturers available, the amount of capacity they are offering, and the price point for that capacity. Option 3 can increase the # of consoles at launch, but is time dependent (can we get the facility going in time?) and will probably end up being a monetary loss for Microsoft. They are essentially building out Flextronics's business for them.

All of these options have to be weighed against the expected necessary weekly production of consoles over the entire lifespan of the console. #3 is a very bad option in this light. While Microsoft could easily make a lot more consoles for launch by paying Flextronics to build more capacity there's no reason to expect that they will need to utilize that amount of capacity over the life of the console. Microsoft would pay for a short term production increase, cut back on production when supply became greater than demand, and leave Flextronics to sell that production capacity out to other companies, like Sony or Nintendo. It's definitely not in Microsoft's best interest to create production capacity for their competitors.

So, Microsoft strikes a balance between cost, # of units available at launch, and required capacity over the life of the console. That will almost always mean demand is higher than supply when there is peak interest in the console, but over the life of the console the supply:demand ratio will be as close to 1:1 as possible.

This whole equation is compounded for Microsoft because of the fact that they are trying to get XBoxes launched in all markets before the demand for them has leveled off in the first market. There just isn't enough manufacturing capacity available to ensure that all of the markets have a glut of product at launch.

Do you really think it's in Microsoft's best interest to annoy potential customers with an artificially introduced shortage? What good does it get them? The lack of available consoles isn't increasing the number of people that want a 360. It's not like Mr. Bob Suburbanite who's never played a game is suddenly saying, "All of the forum trolls are royally pissed that Bill Gates is sitting on a stack of unreleased consoles and laughing maniacally. Well golly, that makes me want one of these things!!!" Quite the opposite, actually. More than likely people who haven't been hanging pictures of 360s in their Jr. High School locker for the past two years are saying, "Hmm, there aren't any 360s, I kind of wanted one, but I guess I'll spend my money on something else."

If you think this early launch shortage won't happen with Sony or Nintendo you're deluded. It might be mitigated by them waiting a long period of time between launches in different geographic locations, as has been the custom, but demand will always outstrip supply at the early life of a console.

(shrug) I guess saying "Bill Gates is teh EVIL! I h4t3 XBOX 4EVAR" is easier than actually thinking through the issue.

Re:Sticking with PC's I guess... (1)

KyolFrilander (730272) | more than 8 years ago | (#14162696)

Stop being smart on slashdot - it's against the charter or something.

Still confused on the sell-out history (4, Interesting)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159189)

I remember a bunch of posts on earlier threads saying that new systems have never sold out before -- and this was a constant trick by the company to get fence-sitters to go for it.

I couldn't afford PS2/Gamecube or PS/N64 when they were released, but is this usual? I sure don't remember any system flat selling out on release, so does Xbox 360 set the standard now?

Re:Still confused on the sell-out history (3, Insightful)

-kertrats- (718219) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159262)

No other company has artificially restricted supply so ridiculously low as Microsoft, either.

Re:Still confused on the sell-out history (5, Funny)

Crimsane (815761) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159329)

I think these guys [phantom.net] have them beat.

Re:Still confused on the sell-out history (3, Interesting)

SteveX (5640) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159355)

400k XBox 360's isn't that far from Sony's 500k PS2's when it launched, and the XBox 360 is going to be restocked faster than the PS2 was.

Re:Still confused on the sell-out history (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14160344)

the XBox 360 is going to be restocked faster than the PS2 was.


How do you know this? Let's just wait a few months/years from now so we can actually have a clear headed view of the Xbox 360's launch.

Re:Still confused on the sell-out history (4, Informative)

slux (632202) | more than 8 years ago | (#14162583)

According to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] that 500k for the PS2 you mention was in the first 24 hours while the Xbox 360 has managed to gather the 400k figure in a week though.

This Gamespy article [gamespy.com] states that the PS2 actually sold 980k units by the end of the second day after launch. This is the Japanese market we're talking so it doesn't really say much after all but at least the Xbox 360 is very unlikely to reach similar figures in Japan and isn't doing it in the US which is a larger market (the PS2 has sold nearly twice the number of consoles in the US compared to Japan). The PlayStation 2 did instantly sell the 500k stock they had available during launch in the US as well though.

Another interesting little detail you can find in the Wikipedia article is that the previous opening day record was 225k for the Sega Dreamcast and we all know how well that worked out in the long run. DC's sales slowed rapidly after a good start. In any case, I think it's a little early to say anything about the 360's success after only one week.

Re:Still confused on the sell-out history (1)

PhoenixOne (674466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14162828)

> No other company has artificially restricted supply so ridiculously low as Microsoft, either.
>
A) Do we have *any* proof that Microsoft has artificially restricted the supply? Honestly, given how they rushed this project, I'm surprised they got as many out as they did.

B) Artificially restricting supply to drive up prices/demand is not a new tactic. Check out the diamond industry.

Re:Still confused on the sell-out history (3, Informative)

Keeper (56691) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159532)

Those posters were lying idiots.

I couldn't find a friggin ps2 for at least 6 months after the machine was made available in the US.

Re:Still confused on the sell-out history (1)

xenocide2 (231786) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159909)

Strangely, I seem to recall the ps2's first Christmas as easily being within the six month time frame. I also recall seeing a literal wall of ps's stocked at the local Best Buy. Perhaps they kept them in stock by raising prices 50 to 100 dollars over retail?

Re:Still confused on the sell-out history (1)

Keeper (56691) | more than 8 years ago | (#14160806)

All I know is that the gamestop in my local mall didn't have any in stock each time I checked over the course of 6 months. Your mileage may vary.

Re:Still confused on the sell-out history (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14162509)

I don't think so. I remember it going for 400+ on ebay up until christmas that first year, and my brother didn't get one until after christmas because of this.

Re:Still confused on the sell-out history (1)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159667)

Both the PS2 and the Xbox were hard to come by at launch in Norway, but it was only a matter of a few weeks, not months as another poster here said. I think it's actually better to wait a few months and get consoles where the initial bugs have been ironed out (and have a bigger selection of games to buy as well), but I rarely do this myself. I'm to excited about getting hold of this new stuff :)

How can there be a shortage when I don't want one! (0, Redundant)

neo (4625) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159344)

I don't get it. No one I know wants one of these things and yet they're running out of them? Something's not right here.

Re:How can there be a shortage when I don't want o (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14159442)

The thing that is not right here is that you have no friends, therefore you can't know anyone who wants one.

Re:How can there be a shortage when I don't want o (2, Funny)

thesandtiger (819476) | more than 8 years ago | (#14160492)

I don't get it. No one I know wants one of these things and yet they're running out of them? Something's not right here.

Yes - you're aparrently old enough to communicate with the outside world, but seemingly don't realize that you aren't the center of it.

Re:How can there be a shortage when I don't want o (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14161352)

Heh heh heh...

Re:How can there be a shortage when I don't want o (1)

BlueHands (142945) | more than 8 years ago | (#14163545)

thank you, i am gonna giggle about that for a while....

Re:How can there be a shortage when I don't want o (1)

neo (4625) | more than 8 years ago | (#14167089)

Yes - you're aparrently old enough to communicate with the outside world, but seemingly don't realize that you aren't the center of it.

Who are you? You don't fit into my world view.

Scandinavia (1)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159623)

At least we're getting some... :) My online retailer sent my unit last night, so I'll have either tomorrow or saturday. My local electronics shops are both gearing for the launch of the console, and both say they will have a few units for sale tomorrow, so I'm wondering if I shouldn't pick up a second set as well.

360 (-1)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159843)

Luckily I got mine on launch day, great system. I've owned pretty much every console from the NES forwards (including virtual boy) and I've never been this impressed.

Highly underrated release lineup. If you have one, buy Kameo.

Re:360 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14163424)

One quick look at your post history reveals that you are clearly a paid Microsoft astroturfer.

Re:360 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14164294)

What a loser.

You even suck at astroturfing.

Wait...hold it! (1, Troll)

jollyroger1210 (933226) | more than 8 years ago | (#14159882)

If Bill Gates buys an Xbox360, he loses $553. 400+153=$553. Seeing as he will probably buy all those 400,000, that's $221200000. Thats a lot of cash, even for Bill Gates.

Re:Wait...hold it! (1)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 8 years ago | (#14160788)

But just think if he sells them all on ebay for $800 each.

Re:Wait...hold it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14161257)

Yeah, but he could have a sweet Halo party.

Compare and Contrast (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14160197)

... the PSP's launch on March 24th to the 31st of the month. With hardware estimates around 620,000 ...

http://psp.ign.com/articles/604/604548p1.html [ign.com]

The PSP's launch was considered a failure after selling 150% as many units as the XBox 360

McNealy believes Microsoft could have sold up to three times that amount, putting the company halfway to its three month target of 3 million units worldwide. "I think they would have been happy to have sold another million if they could have. They just didn't have them," he said.

It is easy to make a claim like this without having anything to base it on. I don't work in retail but I have heard that only about 5%-10% of preorders were 'lost' by the 360 shortage; one person I know was saying that their Microsoft rep gave him the impression that they were trying to be just shy of the preorder numbers to ensure a sell out (possibly a paranoid delusion, I don't know). This would imply that for every person who pre-ordered 2 would have walked in in the first week expecting to purchace a system (a highly unlikely situation).

Re:Compare and Contrast (1)

Delphiki (646425) | more than 8 years ago | (#14160294)

I preordered about three months ago, and don't have one yet, so apparently nobody wanted to preorder one from that store in the last three months, otherwise Microsoft wasn't trying very hard to come in "just shy of the preorder numbers". But then again, why am I even responding to a post by an AC who claims he knows a guy who says that a Microsoft rep gave "gave him the impression"? That's about as lacking in credibility as you can get.

Re:Compare and Contrast (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14160735)

I should have been clearer; when I said gave him the impression I literally meant that, I didn't mean that he told him or even implied anything.

Basically, how he tells it is that every time he asked the Microsoft Rep how many XBox 360s they would get the Microsoft rep would answer "well, how many pre-orders do you have?" At first he thought that Microsoft was going to try to match all of the pre-orders they made to that point in time, but after he was told that his store (and every store in the area that he knew about) was 1 to 3 units shy of the pre-orders he became a bit paranoid. He felt that it was odd that whenever there was a shortage of a product before they were always dramatically short (that is they can fill 1/2 of their pre-orders or something) but to come so close to pre-order numbers and be just shy was unusual.

Certainly, there are hundreds of possible explanations; Microsoft could have been trying to make sure they were close to pre-order numbers or else they would delay the launch. All I know for sure is that he thought it was a very large coincidence.

What do you mean, "could be"? (3, Informative)

Retroneous (879615) | more than 8 years ago | (#14160365)

Microsoft is gearing up for its European launch this weekend, but many believe the shortages could be even worse over there

What do you mean by "could be"?

Stores in the UK have been taking £20 deposits on consoles, with the £20 purchasing a "guarantee" that you'll get one tomorrow, 2nd December. Many of the stores have undercompensated for the shortages. I have been guaranteed one - but many people are complaining of calling the store they preordered from, only to be told that the store hasn't had ANY consoles in, no games for the system, no accessories and no promise of delivery.

Our local ASDA (owned by Wal-Mart now, fancy that) have a queue system in place. You preorder for £20 anytime since July. You turn up today at midday (12 hours before it goes on sale) and they may give you a ticket, depending on how many consoles they have in stock. If you paid and didn't get a ticket because you were too late, you can get a refund or wait as a reserve. People check the queue every hour, and if a ticketholder isn't in line for two of these hourly checks, their ticket is passed to a reserve.

In other words, the store is FORCING you to queue for 12 hours to get hold of a console that they guaranteed you'd receive on launch day when you preordered months ago.

Our local branch of GAME took 280 preorders. They have 32 premium systems and 10 core packs. They have ONE VGA cable. ONE Play N Charge kit. TWO extra wireless controllers. No wired controllers. No headsets. No Xbox Live subscription or points cards and they only have enough copies of PGR3 to satisfy the successful preorders.

And they're the biggest store that sells games for miles. I've called 14 stores within a 20 mile radius to reserve Kameo and Tiger Woods. Nobody has any left over after preorders. Luckily my PGR3 is safe, but if you just preordered the console and managed to get one - you might not have anything to play on it...now tell me, how hard is it to use an existing process and supply chain to duplicate standard DVD discs and get them to stores. I can buy King Kong for Xbox from any store I choose...most have a ton of copies of it...but I can't buy King Kong for Xbox 360 anywhere. Work that one out.

Re:What do you mean, "could be"? (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | more than 8 years ago | (#14160556)

Amen to that.

Exact same problem here.

£20 deposit taken, from Dixons in my case, back in August. Phone call from them at lunch time to tell me to forget it. If I'm lucky, I *might* have it by Christmas. But don't get your hopes up. I go into the store and the arsehole manager basically laughs in my face.

The only thing keeping me from saying I'll never darken the door of another Dixons again as long as I live is the knowledge that all high street chains have some stores which are worse than others. Back when I lived in Durham, the local Dixons was great - helpful staff, clean store, good product range. However, Dixons the one on Victoria Street, Westminster is an absolute joke. I've been *this* close to reporting them to trading standards before over their little "habit" of leaving the signs for expired special offers up (with no indication they've expired) and then refusing to honour them when you get to the till. I'm not sure whether it's incompetence or malice, but it's unacceptable. Had this 3 times there now, usually on blank CDs/DVDs. Guess I should have known what I was getting into when I pre-ordered from them. The ASDA on the Isle of Dogs isn't a million miles from where I live. I'd go there now, except the chances of getting there and back with my life and wallet intact after dark are near zero, especially if I actually managed to procure the eminently desirable piece of kit in question.

Re:What do you mean, "could be"? (1)

RoadDoggFL (876257) | more than 8 years ago | (#14161824)

"but if you just preordered the console and managed to get one - you might not have anything to play on it..."
Well at least there's the Live Arcade. Not much consolation but I've heard that its games are just as addictive as the 360's own games, and just as viable a way to spend your time than any $60 game.

Do you *really* think the shortage is on purpose? (2, Insightful)

kaptron (850747) | more than 8 years ago | (#14160957)

Ok, I could see how MS would love the idea of 360's being "sold out" in every store, obviously... but don't you think they would rather sell more, cement a higher user base and take advantage of being the first next-gen console available, rather than simply knowing that 360's are in high demand? People on eBay are profiting more from this situation than MS.

With the news of faulty power supplies and other hardware issues, I really believe that they were rushing to get them out there, and they would have more available if they could. The whole "shortage on purpose" scenario just doesn't make sense to me, especially if it continues through Xmas season, which would be like a candy store limiting its supply right before Halloween, but then promising everyone that there would be more available in January. At least they would be sure to sell out all their candy, yippee!

Call me an MS fanboy if you must (I don't plan on buying a 360), I'm just trying to figure out why so many people really believe that this shortage was on purpose. Maybe I'm just naive and blind to the fact that MS would rather stab puppies and shoot chlidren than have happy consumers. Because they're evil.

Re:Do you *really* think the shortage is on purpos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14161363)

Call me an MS fanboy if you must (I don't plan on buying a 360), I'm just trying to figure out why so many people really believe that this shortage was on purpose. Maybe I'm just naive and blind to the fact that MS would rather stab puppies and shoot chlidren than have happy consumers. Because they're evil

Have you ever seen what kind of raving lunitic people become at Christmas time?
What would be a small annoyance at any other time of the year (the XBox 360 being sold out) soon becomes the biggest problem in their life. Jimmy needs his "Tickle Me Elmo" and Judy needs her "Cabbage Patch Doll", and if I don't get my husband Robert his "XBox 360" he'll feel ripped off after he spent $1000 on that ring for me.

Companies know that this type of frenzy can easily be manipulated to produce news stories and have people talking at the watercoolers; they then manipulate the situation to produce sales in the long run. People will hear how hard it was to get and conclude that it must be popular, since it is popular it must be good and I therfore must own one.

The true master work is to create the impression of a shortage while having plenty of stock (which I think Microsoft is trying to do); you start with a shortage, follow up a short while later with another shipment which almost meets demand (thus producing a new wave of panic), then you drown the market. "Billy just turned 15 and I don't know what to get him; oh look Walmart claims to have XBox 360s and they'll sell out soon I better buy one before I think about it or else I won't get one".

Re:Do you *really* think the shortage is on purpos (2, Interesting)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14161680)

I think they're trying to walk the line between "sell as much as we can" and "get as much mindshare as possible". Selling out might get you some mindshare, but it won't increase your userbase. Increasing your userbase as much as possible won't build as much hype. And we have yet to see if the hype will help in the long run (especially, say, a year from now).

Will the new consoles fail? (1)

scrybbler (935470) | more than 8 years ago | (#14161348)

A Banc of America analyst has found November 2005 game sales to be "surprisingly bad" in this report: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?st ory=7345 [gamasutra.com] . I think it'll be interesting to see how the new consoles fare in the current economic climate. Iraq, layoffs, the impressive American response to the tsunami, and Katrina hurt personal incomes a LOT. The current administration's benefit-cutting (whatever your political inclinations) also reduces the wiggle room in consumers' pockets.

Plus, the new consoles have exponentially less to offer than the Xbox and the PS2. I don't want to ramble about it here, but you can find my specious argument at this KQED blog [kqed.org] .

It's a bad time to be launching a console. On the other hand, people do want their circuses when they are surrounded by adversity and death.

Re:Will the new consoles fail? (2, Insightful)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 8 years ago | (#14161796)

That and the fact that the price of games and the systems (aside from what Nintendo is saying about the Revolution) themselves are higher than they were the last time, and they're gonna see less of their target audience (teens and college students) with their "disposable income" not being able to allow them to buy the amount of stuff they're expecting them to buy. I see game prices going up, but I don't see a raise in the future for my college workstudy job.

Re:Will the new consoles fail? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14161855)

$365 million in total sales for the month, a figure that's down almost 25% on the previous year's figure, in a month that saw Sony's SOCOM 3 for PlayStation 2, EA's NBA Live 2006 for PS2, and Rockstar's Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories for PSP leading the best-selling games.

The question is, what games were released last november?

Half-Life 2
World of Warcraft
Halo 2
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Killzone
Jak 3
Metroid Prime 2 Echoes

(Basically a month where 1 or 2 of the most anticipated titles for a system are released)

http://archive.gamespy.com/gamereleases/november04 / [gamespy.com]

What games were released this november?

Nothing that special.

http://archive.gamespy.com/gamereleases/november05 / [gamespy.com]

Re:Will the new consoles fail? (1)

scrybbler (935470) | more than 8 years ago | (#14162026)

Hmm... good point, Anonymous. And of course, I'm certainly not buying any 360 games without the console.

Re:Will the new consoles fail? (1)

Babbster (107076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14163039)

The current administration's benefit-cutting (whatever your political inclinations) also reduces the wiggle room in consumers' pockets.

My "political inclination" would be to say that anyone taking a check from the feds because they need it to put a roof over their head and food on their table ought not to be buying videogames anyway. So, either you offered that as a complete non-sequitir - a "free shot" at the US government - or some people should have their benefits cut.

Re:Will the new consoles fail? (1)

scrybbler (935470) | more than 8 years ago | (#14172053)

It's actually a bit of a misphrase - I meant to include subsidies, small-business loans, all of that. Domestic losing out to international, small-business to large.

No 360 Joy in Philly (1)

smaffei (565629) | more than 8 years ago | (#14162560)

I've been to the following stores in the Philadelphia Metro area numerous times:

        1. 2 K-Marts
        2. Toys 'R' Us
        3. Target
        4. Best Buy
        5. Wal-Mart
        6. FYE
        7. Electronics Boutique
        8. Game Stop

No 360s. Best estimates were "maybe right before the holidays", "January", or my favorite "March!"

I just can't see retailers being happy about getting stuck with accessories and software they can't sell. Maybe, if the retailers threaten to return unsold stock, M$ would reconsider stocking consoles at a faster pace.

Right now, I get a nonchalant feeling off of the Remond devils.
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