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Game Designers Lack An X Chromosome

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the point-of-view dept.

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heartless_ writes "GamerGod is running a response to a recent Chris Crawford article discussing Women and Gaming. The problem with identifying winning game elements lies not in the efforts of the game makers themselves; they can only work with what they have. It lies in the fact that most game developers lack one thing - the elusive extra X chromosome. As a result, we have men trying to decide what women most want to play." We linked to Crawford's piece when it was originally run.

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Err... (5, Funny)

Jon Chatow (25684) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170445)

[...] elusive extra X chromosome [...]

Extra? Extra?! I think someone failed genetics.


Re:Err... (1)

rmjohnso (891555) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170601)

The title that the submitter gave the article says that they lack AN X chromosome! At first I thought these guys just had a Y chromosome. I'm glad he cleared it up with the extra statement, though, now I wonder...XXY? :-)

Re:Err... (4, Funny)

gauge boson (843775) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170678)

Same thing I was thinking... would programmers with Klinefelter's syndrome [] solve the problem?

Re:Err... (1)

brohan (773443) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171710)

I think Superman can. More X's more man. Then again, this may be Supermanly-looking-woman

Jumping to conclusions :) (1)

Tired_Blood (582679) | more than 8 years ago | (#14172744)

From your link: Signs and symptoms: XXY males are almost always infertile, and some degree of language impairment may be present.

Long-story-short: the article is advocating less dialog within games.

Re:Jumping to conclusions :) (1)

PhotoBoy (684898) | more than 8 years ago | (#14173928)

You'd think less talking would appeal less to women gamers.

Re:Jumping to conclusions :) (1)

NetRAVEN5000 (905777) | more than 8 years ago | (#14179844)

Well, I don't know. . . I can't remember the last time an in-game conversation had to do with shopping or boyfriends,

Re:Err... (1)

rincebrain (776480) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170604)

No, an extra X chromosome would be useful.

It would motivate those of us with XXY to go into game design instead of, say, anything where you have to be comfortable with other people.

Re:Err... (1)

Txiasaeia (581598) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170924)

No, he's absolutely right - but if only if you're talking about shirt sizes, not chromosomes. I mean, how else are you supposed to distinguish between gamers and devs at E3, for instance?

Researcher finds evidence that all people of... (1)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171194)

the same sex are not the same.

After extensive study of human chromosomes, a researcher has concluded that a son gets only half his genes from his dad.

He has been quoted as saying "We had thought previous to this that differences between two men or two women were purely environmental."

Further research showed that a daughter got half her chromosomes from her father as well.

Comparisons of pairs of sons and pairs of daughters showed that while they got half from each parent, they inherited different genes from each parent.

From the findings of this research, one can draw the conclusion that it's pot luck if two non-related people have any genes that match exactly.

Since it's a foregone conclusion that identical genetics is necessary for someone to figure out what another person wants to play, shares of video game companies dropped rapidly at the news and all new releases were shuttered.

A random gamer was quoted as saying:
"It's a black day for the videogame industry. I can't believe I played that trash!"

Jesus CHRIST! (0, Offtopic)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170451)

Zonk . . . who fucking CARES?!

Can we just give this "poor down-trodden female gamers" thing a rest for ONE fucking week?!

I'm sorry to flame off like this but it's just finally getting to the breaking point. ENOUGH already. We get it. It's male dominated. We're sexist and selfish and insensitive and don't get women and don't care about their enjoyment of games and we rig society and academia up so that women fail in everything they do in the world.. OKAY. MY BAD. i'm male. Forgive me.

Now, can we get on to some REAL articles?! This is SLASHDOT. It isn't fucking N.O.W..

Re:Jesus CHRIST! (0, Offtopic)

meta-monkey (321000) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170472)

Amen, brother. The /. chapter of N.O. M.A.A.M. is taking applications!

Re:Jesus CHRIST! (0, Offtopic)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170479)

So mod his articles off the page if you really hate him so much. It's not that hard. Then the rest of us won't have to either put up with or foe+mod_down your bitching.

Re:Jesus CHRIST! (0, Flamebait)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170598)

Why are you wasting your time posting on slashdot when you should be trying to sneak your balls out of your wife's purse?

Re:Jesus CHRIST! (0, Flamebait)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171918)

I'm glad I decided to reply with some advice for you. Your points are well-crafted and full of intelligence, and have enriched my life. Not.

Re:Jesus CHRIST! (0, Flamebait)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171978)

OMFG! I know what that was!!!

That was SARCASM! Sweeeeet!

Re:Jesus CHRIST! (0, Flamebait)

meta-monkey (321000) | more than 8 years ago | (#14172310)


Did you just say "Not?"

Re:Just this guy, you know? (1)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171109)

I unchecked his articles for a short time, and then realized every once and a while he does post an interesting article and rechecked him.

This sexist article just happens not to be one of them.

Re:Jesus CHRIST! (-1, Offtopic)

dhakbar (783117) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170634)

Agreed. Talk about failing to target your user base. The strange thing, as you pointed out, is that they continue to post garbage like this over and over.

Typical Slashdot.

Re:Jesus CHRIST! (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170741)

It's not even necessarily that it's women in gaming (although I've seen some top class world competition by female gaming teams on Counterstrike and the sort -- so to say that MEN have failed WOMEN in gaming is silly). Slashdot did the same thing with Jon Katz and the Hellmouth and Columbine stuff. Once - we're interested. Three or four times - we get it - it's a big deal and a pattern. Two or three articles per week . .. GAH . . . time to get off the high hourse and return Slashdot to the geeks. Or at the least, put the articles in a "Politically Correct Activist" section.

No shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14170452)

Seriously, how many times do we have to read this same goddamn story on slashdot? Men don't know what women want out of video games, or what men like in video games women don't care for blah blah blah blah blah. ENOUGH ALREADY. NOBODY CARES THAT BITCHES DON'T LIKE VIDEO GAMES.

Re:No shit (2, Interesting)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170496)

But they DO like videogames. They just don't like ours. And that means that we can't play ours either. They can't do their own thing and enjoy it and let us do our things that we enjoy. No, they have to decide that if they don't like doing it, we can't do it either. And then we have to adopt whatever it is they want to do and how they want to do it and pretend to enjoy it ourselves.

At least, that must be how it is. Otherwise they would go find games they like and stop bitching in every other article about it. Guess what? I don't like most games either and most are lacking in some way to really satisfy me. I don't play those. If ind the one or two that I *DO* like and that *DO* meet my recreational needs. THOSE are the ones I play.

So like.. yeah.. holy crap already.

Re:No shit (1)

Meagermanx (768421) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170824)

It's not that chicks should find games they want. According to these articles there are very few games chicks dig. Chicks should be making the games. Seriously. If a woman or girl is complaining because games don't appeal to her because she's a woman, and she's not or is not becoming a programmer, she has no basis for an argument.
Honestly, I'm tired of people, male or female, complaining about the lack of innovation in games and then doing nothing about it.
Also, while I'm going to be modded down anyway, I'm having trouble thinking of any women who complain about a lack of games targeted at them. It seems to be the article-writing dudes who think males should be making pony-socialization games they're not interested in developing.

Re:No shit (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170891)

I'd have to ask something along the lines of "when was the last time anyone got up in arms and posted three articles a week about the distinct lack of males interested in crocheting or knitting".

And you're right - I don't know who these girls are that are complaining, because all the girls I know of various ages like to game and have plenty of games they play. My mom likes Solitaire and a few random games like that. My sister likes The SIMS and Black & White (isn't it interesting how girls don't like world-building / strategy / god games unless you throw in a fuzzy animal to groom and nurture and grow and control?). Another girl I know loves The SIMS, SIMS online, Black and White and World of Warcraft.

Then I've seen plenty of girls playing Counterstrike and similar games. They even have clans and compete for money in tournemants sponsored by various players in the industry.

So I don't know what they're talking about. And rather than just whining about a lack of some game - why not tell us what you want the game to be so we can fucking DESIGN it?!

Then again, with my experiences with women, the entire point of the plaintive waling is that they think YOU should be a mind reader and just KNOW what it is they want without them having to ASK in the first place.

Re:No shit (1)

DenDude (922896) | more than 8 years ago | (#14189502)

/* Why are you wasting your time posting on slashdot when you should be trying to sneak your balls out of your wife's purse? */ /* I'd have to ask something along the lines of "when was the last time anyone got up in arms and posted three articles a week about the distinct lack of males interested in crocheting or knitting". */ If I had mod points you'd get 'em all today. Since you are a male, you have no excuse for your lack of omnipotence. How dare you blame the women for not explaining what they want. We should all just *know* what they want. Amen brother!

You cannot make 'games' that will appeal to XY (-1, Troll)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170480)

Because by it's nature, games are about rulesets and figuring out the best way to handle them. Essentially: thinking.

And women overwhelmingly avoid 'thinking' like Kevin Federline avoids class.

What you could do is create a game with a microphone, and the woman talks into the microphone, and a sympathetic AI face appears on the TV screen and just nods quietly at everything the woman says and at no time attempts to offer any solution to problems - it just quietly nods and says "Umm -hmmm".

Granted, there are some women who do enjoy these endeavors, and games made for 'men' appeal to them on the same basis they appeal to men.

I am a retard - XX (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170498)

Yes yes, I know.

And if it bothers you that much, it might be because of that 'extra' chromosome you inherited.

Re:I am a retard - XX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14170708)

That's not the *only* reason you're a retard.

Women... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14170506)

I recall reading about one "women in gaming" stories every few weeks. What's with the obsession?

The idea that we need more female game designers to make games for women is ludicrous. Show me a game designer that isn't a hardcore gamer. The game designers aren't the people that need to be representative in the industry. It's the market research that needs to be unbiased.

If you needed game designers to be representative of the demographic the game is intended to appeal to, then casual gaming simply wouldn't exist.

You know... (3, Interesting)

BigZaphod (12942) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170563)

There's nothing stopping a group of women from getting together and starting their own indy game company and making the kind of stuff they want to play. Female programmers do, in fact, exist. The other elements of games (such as art/sound/music) are often already created by women or with the help of women, so, really, where's the problem here? If the market isn't fulfilling your desires then START YOUR OWN COMPANY! Plenty of guys have done it. Girls can too.

Re:You know... (1)

hanako (935790) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170815)

Yes. And we female game designers ARE out making our own games and not writing these stupid articles. In fact, we're being ignored by the MEN who write these stupid articles, because they just want to make up some hand-wringing about the poor oppressed women so they sound all supportive and PC. They don't give a damn about what women ACTUALLY want or what women ARE actually doing. - Insanely girly game designer.

Re:You know... (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170989)

I, for one, have never wasted my time writing about opressed women. I am far to busy being actively involved in actually opressing them!

(I kid, I kid . . . Kinda).

Re:You know... (1)

BigZaphod (12942) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171178)

How do you feel about this article in light of the fact that it was written by a woman? Near the end there's a sentence that reads: "Throughout history, we've had men telling __us__ what to think, how to look, and where to work." Usage of the word "us" seems to indicate that the author is a woman and she's trying to play the victim card throughout.

Side issue, but do you have a website for your work as a "insanely girly game designer" anywhere? You could consider adding it to your slashdot sig or profile to help spread the word of your efforts.

Re:You know... (1)

hanako (935790) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171273)

I didn't even read TFA in this case, being fed up with all the girls-in-gaming crap that gets posted here. :)

Still, it wasn't an original article, it was a response to an article that *was* written by a man being silly. Most articles about women in gaming are not written by women, and have been known to twist women's words to fit their preconceived notions (the Hot Coffee incident that was reported on slashdot, where the article author blatantly lied about what the woman whose name he used said.)

As for posting links... slashdot *really* isn't my audience. :) Unless there's a secret cadre of teenage girls reading these comments that I don't know about. Not that ALL of my buyers are giggly teenage girls.... but an awful lot of them are!

Re:You know... (2, Informative)

BigZaphod (12942) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171299)

Slashdot might not be your target audience directly, but depending upon the product I bet there's people here with daughters or sisters that are. That's how word spreads and how marketing works. Plus, your comments here will be crawled by Google and the like eventually and the more links to your site there are the better your search engine rankings. Just something to consider. :-)

Re:You know... (1)

jackbird (721605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14174099)

Well, you could give these nice persons [] some hits.

Re:You know... (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171891)

I suspect that most game development houses today would be more than happy to hire women for jobs in programming and level design, and not just art, music, and business-related departments. The problem is that there are so few women pursuing such a career. I've TA'd computer science courses before that had a grand total of zero women in them (while one of my lab coworkers TA's classes in the biology department where there were more women than men enrolled).

Re:You know... (1)

NetRAVEN5000 (905777) | more than 8 years ago | (#14179937)

I'm sure a lot of them do - I mean, come on, MS Game Labs is really starting to take off! :)

No, seriously, though - I'm sure that plenty of girls have started their own independent game companies. It's just that they don't draw the crowd that the bigger, better-known, more "manly" games do like Call of Duty or the Halo series (not that women don't play either of these, just it's not nearly as common to meet a girl who plays them as it is to meet a guy who plays them) or even the more "manly" indie games. Not that they're not fun, just people don't know about them.

Kleinfelters (1)

Dolly_Llama (267016) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170599)

You do know that there is a pathology related to having an extra X chromosome, right?

Re:Kleinfelters (1)

TheLink (130905) | more than 8 years ago | (#14172311)

Yeah, for most affected people it causes them to bleed for a few days every month or so, and experience some of the following:
headaches, mood swings, fatigue, insomnia, irritability, anxiety, depression, trouble thinking straight, bad memory, uncontrolled binge eating, joint or muscle pains, cramps or pains elsewhere.

Re:Kleinfelters (1)

HTL2001 (836298) | more than 8 years ago | (#14173664)

Kleinfelters is having XXY...
though an extra X chromosome in females would result in XXX, which I find kind of funny for obvious reasons. []

Um... your knowledge of genetics is weak. (1)

Generalisimo Zang (805701) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170611)

Nobody, and I do mean nobody, lacks an X chromosome.

Everybody has at least one, and some people even have two.

Re:Um... your knowledge of genetics is weak. (1)

Dan Farina (711066) | more than 8 years ago | (#14172031)

And of course, you could read the title as a suggestion of plurality. All have at least one, some have two, but of those creating games "an X chromosome" is lacking, and this is the purported (and not entirely unreasonable) mechanism that slow the creation of games that are appealing to the fairer sex.

Re:Um... your knowledge of genetics is weak. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14172762)

lacking = not having
an = one

"not having one x chromosome" = having 0 x chromosomes

Re:Um... your knowledge of genetics is weak. (1)

Dan Farina (711066) | more than 8 years ago | (#14172805)

That's nice, if you could parse english context free and extract meaning. They are lacking "an" X chromosome necessary to perform the elusive task of writing games that appeal to women. It is true that taken out of context that the title makes little sense, but if you can convince yourself to read for about two seconds more the meaning is apparent. Arguably that makes it a bad title, or at least a sensationalist one.

Re:Um... your knowledge of genetics is weak. (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#14174612)

You're right of course, although there is Turner's Syndrome, which occurs in persons having only one X chromosome (45,X) and nothing else; as they're female one could describe that as "missing" the other X. (However it could just as easily be described as missing the Y, in which case they'd be a normal male.) []

a real double standard (3, Insightful)

artifex2004 (766107) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170618)

When people talk about how maybe there aren't greater numbers of women in engineering and science disciplines because they may think a bit differently, they get censured, lose tenure, and even get fired. But it's okay to say that male programmers can't make videogames that women would like, because they think a bit differently from women?

Re:a real double standard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14170769)

Of course not! It's only a double standard if it benefits men!

Re:a real double standard (1)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14172531)

It's just stupid. How does Will Wright and Sid Meier fit into all this then, having both made games that women adore?

Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them (1)

hanako (935790) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170630)

Yes, we've heard it all before. I'm even getting tired of trotting out my usual response - that there ARE styles of games that women play equally or even in the majority, and that there ARE women game designers.

Guess what?


They would much rather write their whiny stories about women in gaming than look at the truth. And you keep pandering to it by posting them.

It's really quite amazing how dead-set people are in trying to make women into second-class citizens and make a story out of it. In an odd coincidence - or not - one very popular genre with women is the adventure game. The genre that keeps releasing new games steadily, and yet EVERY SINGLE GAME MAGAZINE that reviews them prefaces that review with

"The adventure game is a dead genre"

Just like "there are no women in gaming".

Re:Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them (1)

olego (899338) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170905)

It's been a while since I've read a game review. I generally trust my friends to play games and tell me the good ones and warn me against bad ones. Must easier that way--and I avoid all these lies. :-P

Re:Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them (2, Interesting)

Atzanteol (99067) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170961)

I hate to go off topic, but that's what Liberal America specializes in. Trying *sooo* hard to make sure women and minorities are being treated equal, to the point of treating them "special!" And only in the most condescending ways...

Re:Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14171443)

Funny, I thought lieing was what conservative america specializes in. Lieing about wmds, why we go to war, restricing first ammendment rights, that kind of thing.

Then again, the media is pretty much all far conservative these days. So it does make sense!

Re:Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them (1)

hanako (935790) | more than 8 years ago | (#14173018)

Dude, ALL politicians lie their asses off. The differences come in WHAT they're lying about, and what they do when you catch them. :)

Re:Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them (1)

NetRAVEN5000 (905777) | more than 8 years ago | (#14180025)

Funny, I thought Al Gore invented the Internet. And that it was OK to let bin Laden off with a warning. And that Clinton didn't have sex with Monica Lewinski.

And that Howard Dean was going to North Dakota! And California! And Washington! Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaagh!

As an Alien.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14170752)

I can tell you the X's are defective. If you have two then you're fully defective!

What if you have klinefelter syndrome? (0, Redundant)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 8 years ago | (#14170947)

That's where the affected person's karyotype is XXY. So would such a person be the best game designer ever? Not only would he have and extra X chromosome, he's also a man!

Re:What if you have klinefelter syndrome? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14171067)

Nice catch. I'd never heard of that syndrome before. Learn somethin' new ever' day...

This is Absurd (1)

illumina+us (615188) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171117)

This is so factual. See what they did here is took a random sampling of game designers and got their karyotype. The results were that 100% of them had an extra X chromosome. I don't really see how this was accepted without proper editing. Now then, to further ridicule this article... Women and men don't want different things or the same thing! What the majority of people want is driven entirely by their current social status and social goals. Proof of this are girl gamers and even pro girl gamers. And get this, these girl gamers play the *same* games as guy gamers do and enjoy them! They even want to play these games! There shouldn't be a debate about how to make games which are more palatable to women. More women, and men, will play games when it is more socially acceptable. In roughly two decades gaming will be as socially acceptable today as most other activities. This is of course, after MTV and other networks are finished making gaming into pop culture and poisoning the gaming community with utter garbage.

Re:This is Absurd (1)

owlman17 (871857) | more than 8 years ago | (#14172453)

I absolutely agree. I don't think it has anything to do with gender per se. Its hugely environmental and gender is just incidental. I have lots of geeky friends who surprisingly, aren't into games; and I personally know a lot of women - who at first glance you'd never think were gamers - who are very much into games. This whole guy vs. girl gamer thing has been beaten to death and blown out of proportion. Same thing would apply to other so-called "girl" things like cooking or cross-stitching. Girls probably have their own forums discussing guy chefs or something like that.

What women really want.... (4, Funny)

SalaciousPucker (911419) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171160)

The trick to selling games to women is that you have to take your time. The male market is established quickly and fades fast after a game's release. On the other hand, the women's market takes alot longer to get started, but can go on and on, just think of the Sim's. You can rely on simple pictures and video from the internet to bring in the males. Since the female market isn't as easily swayed, it can often take repeated oral prodding from friends before they are ready.

Re:What women really want.... (1)

BigZaphod (12942) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171218)

The trick (snip) to women is that you have to take your time. (snip) ...the female (snip) isn't as easily swayed, it can often take repeated oral prodding from friends before they are ready.

Totally. In fact, that's how I got my now-fiancee to go out with me in the first place!

Re:What women really want.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14171377)

So you had her friends giver her some oral prodding and then she went out with you? Either she is very strange or I would like to subscribe to your magazine (send it in a brown paper bag, please).

Re:What women really want.... (1)

BigZaphod (12942) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171409)

Well, I didn't arrange it... but apparently she didn't really notice I was hitting on her and stuff until her friends pointed out the possibility. It's odd how things work out sometimes.

MOD Parent up - subtle bastard. (1)

OSXCPA (805476) | more than 8 years ago | (#14173416)

Nice... I almost missed it. Not the most subtle thing I've ever read, but for /., a work of brilliance.

If you are wondering WTF, re-read the parent until you get it.

Re:What women really want.... (1)

rohlfinator (888775) | more than 8 years ago | (#14174224)

You sure they're not just faking their enjoyment of The Sims? ;)

Why should I care? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14171349)

Why should I care *who* plays games? I don't understand the pathological need to evangelize everything; the game companies may care about this from a lost business perspective, but i personally couldn't give a rat's ass. If girls want to play games, they will; if they don't, they won't.

A non-diverse user base shouldn't always be seen as some sort of call to action.

who's missing a chromosome? (1)

yagu (721525) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171396)

Not trying to troll here or anything, but I think women in general are missing the elusive "gaming" chromosome (though it's prolly a gene), and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Makes perfect sense. (2, Insightful)

Sj0 (472011) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171412)

It makes perfect sense. Frankly, it's about time someone pointed this out, even.

If women want games for women, they should get out there and make some games for women. Demanding men create games suitable for women is simply regressive.

Re:Makes perfect sense. (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#14174687)

Not only is it "regressive," but it probably wouldn't produce any good games.

Can you imagine the crew at ID or Rockstar Games sitting around trying to figure out what kind of a game would sell to women? It would be like writing to Ask Slashdot for dating tips. (Okay, probably worse, since we know at least one person here is probably married [] .)

If you want to make a product for a certain group of people, having members of that group actually make it will almost always create a superior product (assuming you can find people that have the requisite skills) than just having a group of outsiders make a product for whatever their perception of that group is, and then run it past some focus groups.

What a load... (1)

Ll4m4 (804554) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171610)

Name the top designers for women's clothing. Are they all women? Name the top women's hair dressers. Are they all women? The idea that men can't design what women want is just not true.

Re:What a load... (1)

easychord (671421) | more than 8 years ago | (#14172800)

So are you saying that we need more openly homosexual game developers? Moving away from the almost under the radar homo eroticism of the PC fps game to openly camp games that revolve around pampering women and telling them how "fabulous" they are?

Re:What a load... (1)

Supurcell (834022) | more than 8 years ago | (#14173611)

I've played quite a number of online games and there seems to be a HUGE number of homosexuals. I can never pick them out, but my fellow gamers seem to spot them almost instantly and let everybody else know about it too. So I can only assume that there is a market for homosexualy skewed games.

Re:What a load... (1)

oldwolf13 (321189) | more than 8 years ago | (#14173890)


U sew R teh GAY!

And the X chromosomers are lacking motivation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14171632)

For all the complaining that girls do about not getting into games, very very very few actually put up. I work for a game company, and we get portfolio after portfolio from guys every week. They show a lot of initiative in providing a good sample of attempted work even before their first game job.

The very rare female applicant almost never shows any initiative or prior independent work. We hired the only two who did just to try and get some balance.

Pfff, like women know what women want (1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 8 years ago | (#14171845)

It is intresting that this "girl" seems to have made one tiny little flaw in her argument that male game designers don't know what women want. She says at the end of her article that women are in fact the largest group of gamers, just not in the headline grabbing FPS etc but with simple games like cards, you know the free java/flash type games.

Well who designs these games then? Males by any chance? There just is not going to much of a market for a full priced card game is there now? As for her suggestion of playing a 8gb install resource hog MMO like EQ2 with an initial cost of 50 dollars + monthly fee just so you can play trivia wich you can do for free at hundreds of websites, well lets just say it is the perfect example why women are treated as second class citizens.

Luckily all this talk about computer games and demographics is just a lot of bullshit anyway.

I got a tiny little bit of information for you that might astound you. (Kids look away) THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE BOTH MALE AND FEMALE DO NOT PLAY VIDEO GAMES.

Shocking eh? Nonetheless it is true, sure an MMO like WoW seems big with 9 million subscribers but any tv network would laugh at such viewing figures. Especially if you consider the fact that WoW unlike any tv station in the world is targetted at the entire world. (No not even CNN has world wide reach as it splits itself up into regions, CNN europe is a very different product then CNN asia for instance).

If as she says women prefer card games and trivia games then she won't find many new games aimed at their audience. Same reason you don't see that many chess games being launched anymore. Why? Well what could possibly be added? The chess engine beats me even more soundly? Super duper animation of a chessboard? No, trivia games, card games, chess games have all been perfected. They can now be done by anyone in flash and are being done.

Anyway I think it is a load of crap anyway. In the first place I never trust any statistic and certainly not one gathered over the internet. How does she know what percentage of online monopoly players are of the female sex? Even if everyone who fills out a form does so honestly (yeah right) this still leaves open the possibilty that women are more likely to fill in questionares.

You don't know, nobody does, how many Doom3 players are female. Neither can you guess, for every obvious 12yr old in an online session there are a dozen completly silent players.

Oh and her claim that saying women want social games is old fashioned. Go and explain "The Sims" then. Huge hit with women (if you believe Maxis clams) and in my eyes a game that deals primarly with 'real world' goals like getting rich and hitched.

But lets be honest, this girl is still a sexist herself, clearly dividing the world in male female roles. Maybe as she grows older she will learn that real freedom for both sexes comes when we stop expecting certain behaviours from a person just because they belong to a certain sex. Liberation is not when a male can play female games or vice versa but when we stop labeling both people and games as belonging to either sex. When a man can be dainty and a women butch without being looked down upon then will we be free to be our own person. (And of course still allowing males to be butch and women to be dainty as well)

Re:Pfff, like women know what women want (1)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14172541)

I agree with you, I just wanted to point out:
Well who designs these games then? Males by any chance? There just is not going to much of a market for a full priced card game is there now?
Sure there is. Sierra has sold their line of Hoyle's card game for a decade, each at retail and at full price. They were great games as well. And talking of Sierra, they made games that both men and women liked equally well (but then, several of their leading designers were women).


gorim (700913) | more than 8 years ago | (#14172195)

Color me DUH!

Forget games, its hard enough for men to know what women like and want for anything in real life.

So men game designers can't design games that women like ? No kidding.

And guess what ? I read Slashdot too, so clearly I am even more unlikely to know...

Lifetime (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14172650)

The problem is if women started making games they'd end up like the Lifetime Channel and they'd all be about some guy who just got out of prison, kills somebody, rapes somebody, cheats on his wife, beats his wife, or sometimes all of the above.

"Lifetime - Television for idiots"

counter-examples (1)

philipkd (528838) | more than 8 years ago | (#14174964)

What a bunch of condescending BS. All the article says is that "Men can't develop software for women because they're not women. Therefore they should just replicate already popular software for women, for example, by placing trivia games in WoW."

Men can develop software for women, even without predecessors to replicate. These aren't games, but: Livejournal [] , deadjournal [] , and myspace [] were started by Brad, Frank, and Tom, yet their user-bases dramatically skew toward females.

You don't have to be a female to make software for them.
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