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The MySpace Generation

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the when-did-they-become-the-@-generation dept.

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theodp writes "They live online. They buy online. They play online. Their power is growing. BusinessWeek reports on The MySpace Generation, aka Generation @, for whom being online is a way of life. Preeminent among the virtual hangouts is MySpace.com, who boasts 40 million members and claimed the No. 15 spot on the entire U.S. Internet. And in When murder hits the blogosphere, MSNBC reports on MySpace's sometimes surreal role in popular news stories."

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The Free Market of MySpace (2, Interesting)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175269)

I've been trying to write an article about MySpace for about 6 months, with the community changing faster than I can assimilate those changes into the article. MySpace is the ultimate free market in socializing, and it (or a system like it) has potential to being a huge part of every day life.

All my teen employees in my retail stores are on MySpace. Most of my adult employees are, as well. At first, the dame and I thought it was just a hook up scene (it is, though). We were laughing at how we knew some parents of kids on there who thought their kids were 100% puritan, and the messages led us to believe the opposite. The average poster also leads me to reinforce my belief that the laws against non-violent voluntary action between two humans (drug laws, prostitution laws and others) are completely unnecessary.

MySpace's greatest potential is beyond just the ability to moderate other people. MySpace offers everyone this amazing ability to be open about themselves, reduce embarassment, and even become more honest as a person. When I was in high school, cheating on your girlfriend was common, but secret. Today it is called hooking up and generally not frowned upon. Is this the direction society needs to head? I don't know, but I don't think this "freeing" of embarassment is a bad thing -- isn't sex always the leader in a societal change?

MySpace is powerful in many other ways, connecting cliques with one another to create what is one of the most powerful non-corporate marketing forces ever. My brother's band increased downloads of their music almost 100-fold, and their concerts are significantly more populated by people who are friends-of-friends-of-friends. I also have found that kids as young as 11 won't buy Sony because their clique is connected to another clique that is boycotting the company. How awesome is that?

Right now, MySpace is complete anarchy. Guess what? It works. For an anarchocapitalist such as myself, MySpace combined with eBay could be the utopian anarchist paradise we always dream of, at least in electronic form. Copyright is not a concern (have you seen the reckless abandon of music, video and image piracy? I love it). Sharing of information is open and natural. If someone hurts another person in any way, you can be sure that it will get through all the various local cliques and the offender will be castigated and watched more closely. Even peer review of one's actions is instant. One person can post an angry comment about another, and the "jury of one's peers" comes into action, either defending that person or realizing that the person is probably guilty of the action first posted.

I know that when I was a teenager there were numerous things to be embarassed of. If I had known that others existed with similar emotions or thoughts or habits, I think I would have matured at a faster past (although it can be argued that today's teenageres are very immature but I completely disagree).

MySpace is a profitable venture, slowly taking the place of schools, the law, the mall and even e-mail and IM. Parents need to be aware of it, too. I believe that those who think we need more government in our lives should carefully watch as the next generation gets along just fine, pushing together their millions of decisions and beliefs in the free markets trumping of democracy.

Re:The Free Market of MySpace (4, Funny)

ottothecow (600101) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175282)

In Summary:

Myspace is a festering heap.

Re:The Free Market of MySpace (5, Insightful)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175299)

A festering heap of freedom.

Re:The Free Market of MySpace (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175342)

That's GNU/Freedom to you, mister!

Re:The Free Market of MySpace (4, Insightful)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175372)

Funny, I've spent the last six months trying to get any random MySpace page to load without all the photos, videos, animations, sounds, java appletts and other mundane crap along with their retarded interface crashing any random browser I'm using on any random OS.

MySpace is just the equivalent of AOL chat rooms. Those who aren't self-involved cliquish drama whores and dorks trolling for pussy from average girls with self-image problems over it are busy using Usenet and other more appropriate and useful places.

My police for MySpace content is the same as LiveJournal. Don't ask me to check out your page on either one - I'm not going to look at it. If you want to tell me something, you can tell me. You are not so precious and my time so worthless that I need to share in a mass-broadcast on what kind of cheese you had on your sandwhich today or how cute you think someone else's hair bow is. I just don't care. If I don't know you at all - I won't care. If I do know you well enough to care about the news, I'd prefer you take the time to have a CONVERSATION with me rather than slip me a URL and tell me to read up on your life like you're Jennifer fucking Anniston.

And I'm serious about this shit. Girlfriend, relative, coworker, love-interest. I don't care WHO you are. I won't check your page out.

Also - there's nothing dangerous about MySpace. It's owned by Rupert Murdoch after all and Bill O'Reilly wouldn't stand for anyone putting children at risk, would he?! Hell no - he'd crusade against you until the tide forced you over!

Seriously - I just don't get the MySpace thing. I think you have to be of a certain social accuity and lower intellectual level to find it worth your time. It has a terrible interface and is filled with crap. You may as well be using geocities for all it matters. Hopefully they'll just splinter off and form their own internet and take the tards with them.

And there's no point in people replying with "oh and you're so special?!" or "aren't you elite?!" or anything, because I don't care anymore than I care about MySpace. Maybe if I were into hooking up with twelve year old girls, I would be interested.

Re:The Free Market of MySpace (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175423)

Damn! Wishing I had mod points, 'cause you need some plussing.

Re:The Free Market of MySpace (1, Funny)

Inaffect (862616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175419)

sup nigga eye glad u like myspace az much az eye do. piece! hit me up sum tyme to chat - e-literate479

Re:The Free Market of MySpace (4, Insightful)

sp0rk173 (609022) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175491)

Wow. That's the most inaccurate picture of myspace i've ever seen. Myspace is not a beautiful anarchist e-topia. No, fuck that. It's a place where people can artificially inflate their egos, pretend to be things they're not to increase popularity (since the capital on myspace is your friend count, and nothing more), and places extreme emphasis on the superficial. No, it's not an anarchist e-topic. It's just like everyday life in the modern world. Even more, it's a centralized means for Fox to make a shit load in ad revenew. I'm always sure i've got privoxy fired up when i go on myspace.

It's basically one giant rumor mill. There is no natural judicial system as you describe. The majority of messages i see posted on bulletins (the way to disseminate information to all your friends simply) are chain letters.

You mention your brother's band and how myspace is a huge non-corporate marketing aparatus. It's definitely the best thing around for indie bands, and it has definitely helped a lot of local bands i see at bars...but if you look at the featured artist on their front page, you'll only see ones that are ones signed to fox-owned labels. So, while it does have extreme potential for small-band marketing, it's also a huge corporate marketing force for shitty, overrated music. Before fox bought myspace, pretty much only independent bands were featured artists.

No, myspace is not your anarchist utopia. It's just another way to make business as usual hip for us mindless youngins. That said, i've "hooked up" with quite a few attractive ladies from myspace. So, it does have legitimate use.

Yeah, what's the deal (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175273)

With these freaks that post online all day, with their little friends, and their little hobbies that most people don't care about.

I'm glad I'm a part of a place like Slashdot that doesn't have any of that.

Losers (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175277)

Previous generations got entire words to their name. At least some of us got letters (Generation X is cool). But you kids today have been reduced to punctuation. At least you're better than Generation colon.

I hope our youth likes giving away it's rights (4, Interesting)

PlayfullyClever (934896) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175278)

Hope you like giving away your hard-earned works for free to Fox.

From the TOS: By posting Content on any public area of MySpace.com, you automatically grant as well as represent and warrant that you have the right to grant to MySpace.com, an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, copy, perform, display, and distribute such information and content to MySpace.com and that MySpace.com has the right to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such information and content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing.

Re:I hope our youth likes giving away it's rights (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175341)

This is no longer true. Section 5c of the Myspace T&C has changed. It now reads:

c. By posting any Content to the public areas of the Website, you hereby grant to MySpace.com the non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, publicly perform and display such Content on the Website. This license will terminate at the time you remove such Content from the Website. You represent and warrant that: (i) you own the Content posted by you on the Website or otherwise have the right to grant the license set forth in this section, and (ii) your Content does not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyright rights, or other intellectual property rights of any person. You agree to pay for all royalties and fees owing any person by reason of any Content you post on the Website.
Read it for yourself [myspace.com]; parent: Please stop spreading false information.

But they reserve the right... (5, Insightful)

ArghBlarg (79067) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175429)

... to change the TOS at any time, unilaterally (from Section 2):

"Even after membership is terminated, this Agreement will remain in effect, including sections 4, 5, 7 and 9-14. MySpace.com's Terms of Use and/or subscription fees that were provided to you at registration may change from time to time. By using the Service and by becoming a Member, you acknowledge that MySpace.com reserves the right to charge for the Service and has the right to terminate a Member's Membership should Member breach this Agreement or fail to pay for the Service, as required by this Agreement."

So who says they won't "pull the trigger" and try to claim rights (even retroactively)?

Hmm... so what's to say they won't suddenly change Section 5 to say "exclusive, in perpetuity rights to all material, even after you leave My Space"? If your novel/mp3/scientific breakthrough is online when they make the change to the TOS, it'll already be too late.

I'm not saying they'd necessarily do this, but it's possible. Better to keep your stuff off of Fox's servers. :-p

Re:But they reserve the right... (1)

lustforlike (867068) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175470)

Virtually every server that allows users to post original material has similar terms of service. It is not about trying to claim rights over the users' material, it is about preventing users from suing them.

When it comes down to it, though, if you're worried about someone stealing your work, you'd be foolish to post it anywhere online.

What Myspace shows (3, Insightful)

mboverload (657893) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175283)

What scares me most about MySpace is the people on it.

If you were to surf myspace you would think every teenager on earth is a complete fucking moron. DON'T mod me troll. Look for yourself.

Backrounds, stupid text colors, backround music, animations, inability to use the english language, and much more. I don't think I can express in words how worried I am at the stupidity of the comming generation.

Re:What Myspace shows (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175302)

"comming" ?

Re:What Myspace shows (1)

steved3298 (880336) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175314)

You have no idea what feels like to be part of this generation. This is all kids talk about and do. The purpose of MySpace is a good one, but has spiraled out of control.

Re:What Myspace shows (0)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175378)

There's a purpose to myspace other than 30 year old men trying to pick up on insecure teenagers and insecure teenagers fawning over each other and hooking up at local myspace meetings?

Re:What Myspace shows (1)

ImaNihilist (889325) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175316)

You are absolutely right. MySpace is a disease. The internet would be a better place if MySpace never existed. Our only hope is that the site goes pay, and everyone drops off it. Let's pray. Let's pray for the salvation of the internet, and humanity itself.

Re:What Myspace shows (-1, Troll)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175322)

Most of those are teens from Western nations.

The next generation will be dominated by the Chinese and the Indians. They're the ones who are currently at the forefront of research in basically all fields, even if they're doing such work at American or Europeans institutions.

So don't fear; innovation itself will not stop. It just won't be carried out by Western-born children who never learned the necessity of hard work and effort.

Its just more visible (4, Insightful)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175329)

Teenagers ARE fucking morons.
When i was a teen, i also heard trashy music, also had cheesy jet-fighter posters in my room and wasnt known for my social skills. And the others in my class werent better, either.

The only thing thats different is that with the internet, occasionally older non-parent people stumble upon this stuff, which just didnt happen before the internet.
I am sure if you go offline to an event thats REALLY in in the 12-15 age group, you wouldnt find a much different picture. But you wouldnt go there, while online, its just a click away...

Re:Its just more visible (1, Insightful)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175462)

Why the hell is this modded "4, Insightful"? Teenagers are not "fucking morons" and the parent has offered no proof of his claim of such other than his own retardation as a teenager. Just because he was stupid in his teen years doesn't make all teens ever so, or even a majority!

The parent is a troll.

Re:What Myspace shows (2, Interesting)

ottothecow (600101) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175344)

Yeah, pretty much. Read my summary of the first post for my blatant feelings about myspace.

I just dont understand how people can think it looks good to have bright pink text and a purple background overlayed with a floating image while forcing you to listen to music and squint past the animations. As a college student I get to use the Facebook which is similar in the social networking but different (and I applaud them) in the fact that THATS ALL IT IS. There is no ability to make your profile bright and unreadable. There is no way to play music...etc. They are adding new features but I hope they stay true to their ideal...

I once made a myspace account to look at a friends (I believe mine is titled "myspace sucks" if anyone wants to hunt me down) and even though I have always known hers as a nice, smart, intelligent girl (well, she is kind of a whore but...a smart one). I look at her profile and though she has abstained from the completely unreadable format, I read all of the things her friends have written on it and they are like "Aw damn gurl joo be shakin on HOTT" and unfortunately have the ability to choose thier own color schemes. Within a few days of making my account, putting in nothing more than a little basic info that they asked for when I made it, I got several friend requests from people I went to highschool with that I probobly hadnt talked to since my sophomore year. It's amazing that they check enough to decide "hey this person wasnt my friend and I will never see them again but they JUST made a myspace account so I should friend them"

Re:What Myspace shows (1)

ottothecow (600101) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175371)

Sorry to reply to myself but I remembered another disparaging trait about myspace that I just noticed a severe case of when I went to look while writing my last post:

The people who have conversations via posts on each others profiles. It makes like a stream of nonsensical posts since you can only see one side of the conversation and simply seems inefficient. Any number of tools would be more efficient, IM, Email, Phone, even MySpace's own IM system since both people are both obviusly signed into myspace.

Maybe the reason that myspace has gotten so bad compared to something like Facebook is that while facebook requires enough intelligence to get into a Facebook school (though they keep adding lower and lower quality schools so...), Myspace requires you to be nothing more than a stupid 14 year old skank.

Re:What Myspace shows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175347)

parent is cmpltly rite. al my m8s thnk myspace gay. we all no it!!! lol!

Re:What Myspace shows (4, Insightful)

generic-man (33649) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175375)

So in other words, the "comming generation" is to MySpace as our generation is to Geocities. The Internet* survived Geocities; it can survive the "blogosphere"; and it can survive MySpace.

* By which I mean "the group of elitists on the Internet who wish there were literacy and knowledge requirements to use the Internet," also known as "Usenet."

Re:What Myspace shows (1)

ottothecow (600101) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175464)

Oh...back when geocities had you "move into" your site. You had to pick like what block you wanted to be on and pick a number on that block since seemingly they couldnt figure out how to offer personalized addresses. I'll never forget you www.geocities.com/alien/zarbstreet/9982/ ...or was that xeroave/8892?

Re:What Myspace shows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175384)

inability to use the english language

how worried I am at the stupidity of the comming generation.

All my worries for your generation didn't help either...

Re:What Myspace shows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175387)

And to that good sir, i have one thing to say:


It's not the stupidity that matters. (0, Offtopic)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175390)

It does not matter that many are stupid. That has always been true. The problem is their involvement with society as a whole.

Traditionally, those who lacked intellect found work in the manufacturing sector. But these days most manufacturing in the US has been moved to Asia, South or Central America, and Africa.

Now it's been reported that Ford will close a number of North American plants. If I recall correctly, GM made a similar decision recently. Those were amongst the last remaining major manufacturers in the US.

What we will see is a movement of the stupid from the manufacturing jobs which no longer exist to the service jobs. So yes, you probably will have to deal with those sort of people more often, at least for a little while. But an economy cannot survive long on services alone. Manufactured, tangible goods are required for strong economic growth.

As for the future of an economy without manufactures, it's difficult to predict the outcome.

Re:It's not the stupidity that matters. (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175410)

What we will see is a movement of the stupid from the manufacturing jobs which no longer exist to the service jobs.

You mean the people that work in service jobs today aren't the stupid ones? They get worse?!

I know - there are a lot of service-job people who are intelligent and do great work, but for every person like that there are fifty who thinks "extra pickle" on a burger means "two pickles instead of one" or think "extra pickle - no tomato" means "a folded brown paper bag on the side of the tray" (I shit you not about that last one - twice at Burger King I've asked for extra pickles on my burger and the person just gave me a brown paper bag).

Re:It's not the stupidity that matters. (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175415)

The trend towards a service oriented economy has started since the 1780's when the government began looking at percentages of jobs. Its nothing new.

Manufactoring came and gone and farming is still going down from the one %88 of all jobs during the 18th century.

I think the idea of nafta is ludacrious. Money always supposed to move in massive quantities as fast as possible to blow up the GDP in any given nation. Now to satisfy a few billionaires we have leaks where money is flowing from our balloon overseas in the hope that their gdp balloons may grow and they somehow *mught* buy our products. It doesn't make economic sense.

If someone is making 1/3 the amount of an American then that person will consume alot less. Dont give me the argument for things are cheaper in India. Housing yes, but a honda civic is the same price as one here and so is a dell computer.

The MPC or marginal prospensity to consume is much lower for the wealthy who benefit from nafta as they put their money into savings and it does not trickle back to create more jobs.

We need protectionism now if we want to protect our future.

Re:It's not the stupidity that matters. (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175459)

We need protectionism now if we want to protect our future.

No, we need truly free trade. Unions and protectionism (tariffs, etc) killed our manufacturing sector.

If labor plus shipping from China is cheaper than labor here, wages need to drop for the now-commodity item. Decades of protecting the steel industry cost the US billions in higher building and vehicle prices.

If we increase our tariffs we'll bankrupt even faster.

Re:What Myspace shows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175396)

I don't think I can express in words how worried I am at the stupidity of the comming generation.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that was a typo. :P

Anyway. I'm inclined to agree -- even adults are fucking morons nowadays. I won't go into a rant (it's mostly politics, and I hated politics until I found a reason to care (now I just hate politicians :-))), but you should be even more afraid once you realize a lot of these retards are going to vote one day.

(I'm technically a part of this Dumbass Generation. I get to talk shit on it.)

Re:What Myspace shows (2, Funny)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175398)

Apparently the mission statement for MySpace is similar to Google's (in a way). That is, the organize and network all the world's idiots.'

Also, why would anyone go meet myspace people? They spend all their time on the stupid thing. Wouldn't you want to meet and befriend or date people that... I don't know... get away from the computer sometimes?

Re:What Myspace shows (1)

ElitistWhiner (79961) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175411)

Reminds me of the elitist whiner's who were making snickers at Americans buying flourescent velvet Elvis pictures in Mexico and bringing them back to the states as "artwork" to hang on their walls.

A noted American artist interjected: "art appreciation has to begin at some level, they will become more educated, more selective and more discriminant as they continue wherever they choose as their starting point in art - its all art".

Re:What Myspace shows (1)

Cenuij (526885) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175452)

I couldn't agree with you more.

This statment of fact rather neatly illustrates why more younger people these days are lacking in plain ordinary social skills. You know... the kind a 12 year old *should* start picking up as soon as they leave primary school and start socialising with their teenage peers.

Sure the relative anonymity can be liberating but online socialising should *never* replace the healthy amount of physical socialising thats probably required for mental well being. We all probably spend too much time online ( IRC anyone? ), but up until now most of us had already matured to adulthood and gained these necessary skills before we started wasting the hours away online. What happens to the new net generation when they hit adulthood and cant interact on a basic human level?

Re:What Myspace shows (5, Interesting)

Fnkmaster (89084) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175477)

I just don't get it. Myspace is Friendster, only instead of yuppies, hipsters, and college students, it's populated by complete morons. All my friends from college and high school are on Friendster and/or Facebook.com. MySpace gets the lowest-life, most guido New Jersey and Long Island trash people I've ever seen, the teenagers who are too dumb to know any better, and a couple of pervs I know in their later 20s who just go there to pick up on dumb 17 year old girls.

I actively choose not to be associated with MySpace. Why? Because it's about as low class as anything I could imagine. Call me an elitist yuppie, but I would never want to be caught with a profile on that site, until they manage to improve their image massively, i.e. get rid of the massive guido overload factor in their userbase.

Please reference the number of pics of dudes in sleeveless wifebeaters with muscle shots, tatties and gang slogans in their profile for evidence. So terribly classless.

At least Orkut had geek chic before it was overrun by the Brazilians.

Re:What Myspace shows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175485)

And Myspace users are a generation now? Holy shit, time to buy stocks in ritalin and stupid fucking web quizzes. I'll be rich.

And they kill themselves online... (5, Interesting)

croddy (659025) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175287)

Myspace Suicide [ncmonline.com]

Re:And they kill themselves online... (1, Interesting)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175461)

Some more of those and MySpace just might win me over!

Do you know what depresses me? Not so much that kids are increasingly stupid. What depresses me is that the whole empowered future of information and autonomy and exploration and massive self-acquired intellect we always dreamed "the future" would be with the help of technology is for naught. What is the future? A bunch of chubby, self-mutilating, impressionable, commiserating children and creepy old men and uneducated consumer tards who can't think for themselves.

Wuh? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175292)

BusinessWeek reports on The MySpace Generation, aka Generation @

Since when did the MySpace l4mers get op status?

I'm guess I'm not part of "Generation @" (2, Interesting)

Absolut187 (816431) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175295)

I'm 25 and I've never heard of myspace.com.
What does that mean?
Am I old now?

Re:I'm guess I'm not part of "Generation @" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175338)

I'm 15 and I've never heard of it. What does that mean?

Re:I'm guess I'm not part of "Generation @" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175358)

That you belong on Slashdot.

Re:I'm guess I'm not part of "Generation @" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175386)

no, it means that you are fucking lucky to not know this shit.

Re:I'm guess I'm not part of "Generation @" (1)

Gyga (873992) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175397)

I'm 15 and wish I hadn't, it is all everyone talks about.

Be glad you haven't before now.

There is no "MySpace Generation" (1)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175296)

There are MySpace users who happen to be young. These people alone do not - quite luckily - constitute a generation just as the large numbers of young Slashdot users aren't a generation.

They already have a name for this generation: Generation Y/Millenials. We're the ones who grew up with computers and everyone knows it, but apparently BusinessWeek needed an article.

Re:There is no "MySpace Generation" (2, Insightful)

dogwelder99 (896835) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175446)

For the most part, there aren't any "generations" at all. Corporate types have been at this for decades... when a new demographic trend gets strong enough to become a profitable market segment, package it up with a nice easy-to-understand label like "Generation Y", then start blitzing them with messaging telling them how they behave, what they like, and which companies really get them. It's kind of like moving a new product from the early-adopter phase to the mainstream, except you're the product and someone else makes all the money.

Re:There is no "MySpace Generation" (1)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175479)

And those companies are the late-comers in this case! They get these folks after the school system's had them for 12 or 13 years!

Whose Generation? (3, Funny)

yoey (247125) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175298)

People try to put us d-down (Talkin' 'bout my space)
Just because we get around (Talkin' 'bout my space)
Things they do look awful c-c-cold (Talkin' 'bout my space)
I hope I die before I get old (Talkin' 'bout my space)

Why don't you all f-fade away (Talkin' 'bout my space)
And don't try to dig what we all s-s-say (Talkin' 'bout my space)
I'm not trying to cause a big s-s-sensation (Talkin' 'bout my space)
I'm just talkin' 'bout my g-g-g-generation (Talkin' 'bout my space)

This is my space
This is my space, baby

MySpace + Blogs = Proof that we need a Holocaust (0, Troll)

mike nwdw. (877398) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175301)

Children/Teenagers are morons. Humanity can benefit by exterminating every retard that owns a MySpace account or a blog more than by contributing to Wikipedia. Please donate [nimp.org].

Thank you.

mike nwdw.
Spokeperson and Ass Destroyer for Wikicities

Re:MySpace + Blogs = Proof that we need a Holocaus (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175321)

Goatse.cx alert in that link above.

Re:MySpace + Blogs = Proof that we need a Holocaus (1)

game kid (805301) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175421)

Not to mention his profile URL is a vandalized Michael Newdow article. A typical loser troll...

This is nothing new (1)

Quinn_Inuit (760445) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175305)

The same thing happened after the Columbine killers were discovered to have had AOL homepages. Sadly, I didn't think to archive their stuff until it was almost too late, but I still saved a lot of it. I wasn't the compulsive archiver then that I am now.

OT, but the reason that I don't care as much about these two as I did about those two is that this seems to be a pretty standard love crime, whereas that was a school shooting that came within a hair of being an order of magnitude worse. Also, I study fringe religions, so I wanted to go through their stuff and see if there was any religious connection like there'd been a few years earlier at OK City. Turned out there wasn't much of one, but I couldn't have discovered that without saving the material before reading it. In some cases I was literally minutes ahead of whoever was shutting the sites down.

Re:This is nothing new (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175377)

Do you have that material mirrored in a publicy-accessible location somewhere? I'd like to look at it myself - more out of morbid curiosity than anything else, admittedly, but I never understood the whole "let's remove every trace that these guys ever existed" craze.

I never got the fascination with (4, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175310)

Generation whatever articles. It seems they always want to neatly compartmentalize people's behavior by their age group though I know 40+ years old totally connected to the net and that my teenage nephews who hardly go on or know anything about it.

The article seems to be treating all this stuff as new when much of it's been around for a good while. Next, they will be gushing about how people use newfangled email over snailmail. The only message here is that people tend to communicate with the best medium for them which is nothing new.

Not just MySpace (4, Insightful)

queenb**ch (446380) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175312)

Other on line communities with less restrictive requirements are springing up and gaining ground on MySpace. Frankly, I find the whole eletronic thing to be a bit frightening. Hear me out before you mod me down! Nothing digital happens without leaving traces. As the public library in Philadelphia who's fighting with the FBI over one of their "Letters of National Security". It becomes all too easy to obtain records of who did what and who said what. Anonymity is a big part of what makes the internet go 'round and if you take that away, all you have left is what we have in real space now. A bunch of folks with ideas but too afraid to voice them.

2 cents,

Queen B

Re:Not just MySpace (1)

gatzke (2977) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175355)

There has really been very little internet anonymity. If you do illegal stuff, your ISP will be able to hunt you down generally. They have even opened up anonymous remailers. Sure, find an open wireless access point and you may be online, but your MAC gets sent along with whatever you do. Cash access in an internet cafe is about as anonymous as you could get, except for all the closed-circuit cameras in public places.

Never expect anything online to be private. People don't get that. The internet is a very public place. If you are really nuts, you can try and encrypt everything but you still aren't tempest proof. You have no privacy online.

Not My Space (4, Interesting)

XBL (305578) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175318)

I use MySpace regularly, mostly to meet chicks in my area (and it doesn't work all that well, but it's free), but I don't trust the site to hold a lot of formal personal information about me; just informal stuff.

Fox purchased MySpace, and I wish it was someone else like Google. The site is a mess with all sorts of useability and performance problems. It would be nice if someone just setup a good new framework for it, and then "imported" everyone's crap into it. The current MySpace framework is like some student's school project grown out-of-control. Maybe it is.

So anyways, it's really 'Not My Space' for a lot of people. Just a place to waste time. I wouldn't expect it to become somemore more than that.

Re:Not My Space (1)

XBL (305578) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175326)

Oh, I forgot about the insane music band part of the site. Most band profiles are just fans postings and then a link to the band's website. I am always getting spammed by unknown bands want to be my 'friend'. Decline, decline, decline.

Old Ideas (2, Informative)

SteevR (612047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175339)

Not that this guy [alexkrupp.com] was the first to postulate that interconnectedness would change culture irrevocably in the near-future timeframe either. But I think the essay linked above cuts a little closer to the core issue; Businessweek just now caught on to what has been a rolling snowball in the internet world for what, 4 years now?

Summary of the MSNBC article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175343)

If you kill two people, your MySpace page will get soo many hits, and a lot of spam in the comments. I just saved you three pages of sappy journalism.

Fail. (2, Funny)

ImaNihilist (889325) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175345)

MySpace is the worst thing to happen to the internet since it's inception. Think of the bandwidth! OH THE HUMANITY!!

Its time to let go... (5, Insightful)

adolfojp (730818) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175350)

I am 26. When people my age were kids they had TV. Television is a one way medium where people are told how to look , how to talk, how to think. Think of the MTV generation.

Today, at last, kids have a better freedom of the press than we did. They can give back to the system instead of just listening silently. And they have so many more channels to chose from, some made by their peers instead of by the big media corporations.

What they say will be childish, stupid and uninformed. Just like the things we used to say when we were their age. But at least they will have an outlet to do so.

I drink to the @ generation. And to the generation before, thank you for making this possible.


PS. Remember when using computers was social suicide?

Re:Its time to let go... (2)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175391)

"PS. Remember when using computers was social suicide?"

Hey I resent that! All 0 of my friends locally agree and all my +18 friends online agree.

Re:Its time to let go... (2, Informative)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175432)

I'm just a little older than you and you are understimating the idiotastic power of compound stupidity. When you and I were kids, the stupidity was compounded by ourselves and a small handful of friends. Now, it's compounded by the hundreds of people on your "myspace" list or whatever they use to interconnect people along with all the random people that stumble along and talk with you. And at least we didn't have middle aged perverts trying to pick up on us via email and our pages trying to take advantage of the fact that we're insecure and deprived of daddy's attention and spending all of our time on the internet because we can't face real people and eventually hook up with said creepy old dude.

No good can come of harnessing the vast resource of stupidity.

Studies regarding such sites? (3, Interesting)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175352)

It's widely known that sites such as MySpace and the forums at GameFAQs.com are "infested" with teens who would appear to lack basic textual communication skills.

Have any researchers who study education performed reviews of such sites? How do such children and teens perform in high school? Is their inability to write sensibly only exhibited online, or does it also creep into their school work?

Re:Studies regarding such sites? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175445)

Surely they don't succeed in school. That is why this country is getting dumber. As people grow up being less and less educated their kids will be even worse than them, until we have either another stone age or just a country full of people without the slightest clue about anything.

Why not the Internet Generation? (2, Insightful)

Fuzzlekits (909093) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175373)

I really don't care to consider myself part of any generation whose title is that of a fox owned sell-out conglomerate. I think that while there are valid applications of the technology and success stories, myspavce is a hot topic type site. I don't mean to bash people for using it, but it seems, from my experience, that the place is, on the whole, not unlike AOL - Internet for the rest of the world, especially teenagers who don't neccessarily consort with anyone they don't know IRL.

Of course, I also think that the people on IMs who only have local people on their lists have no respect for the medium.. I had friends that nonchalantly logged into other people's accounts to propagate lies, create fights and stir tensiosn up, with the whole thing being a joke they can clear up with a face to face meeting... Some of us with friends on other continents don't have that luxury, and I don't appreciate that sort of immaturity. Not that that's everyone of course, just one example of why (what seems to me) a vast majority of teengers who just use the net to talk with local friends may not respect the medium as much as those who do use it to create a smaller world.

On a more positive note, I can foresee one thin coming from myspace that oculd have a huge impact on the net as a whole. Blogging is a huge topic right now.. and, in some ways, part of the popularity of blogs might be pinned on things like Livejournals. While occasionally used for the typical teen angsting and drama that we may not consider an advantage to society, the sort of wide teenage base acceptance of these might have led to more acceptance of the 'True' blogs that sprang up afterwords. Maybe Myspace will spawn something simmilar, in the sense of another generation of large, widely used communities. After all, if myspace's layout does offer some advantage or revolution, I'd hate to think that Murdoch is making money off of it.

God I hate myspace (3, Insightful)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175376)

The reason I still use it is because my friends there use it more than lj or other communities.

I try to filter as many friends requests as possible to those who are older 23+. But still I see comments like "OMG ... would u sooo do the person above me.." and other silly bulletins that I could not give a shit at all about.

I would leave if I could. I guess I need more real life friends closer to home and less online.

Matrix... (1)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175379)

You know, articles like this and the increasing trend to live our lives virtually makes me wonder if one day society would end up in a Matrix like environment VOLUNTARILY! I'm surprised cyber cafes haven't evolved to the point where they can accomodate several day stays. A cyber-hotel if you will. Ultimate computer setups, comfortable lighting, convenient bathrooms and food near your computer, and as much or as little in person socialization as you want. You may want to be alone, or be with your friends/guild.

If only there were a way to make it cheap enough for it to be feasible...

Reminds me of 2ch..... (4, Interesting)

ShyGuy91284 (701108) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175388)

2ch (2 channel) [wikipedia.org] is a Japanese forum (more similar to slashdot then typical forums) that has over 10 million members from all different walks of life (not mainly teenagers like myspace). There is a US variant (an imitation not related directly or anywhere near as popular) 4ch [4-ch.net] that gives a good idea of the format. It's an interesting concept due to it's broadness in topics and people who use it. Although myspace seems to be pretty popular with people who aren't computer experts.

Myspacewhaa? (1)

Oldsmobile (930596) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175400)

I spend about as many hours a day on line as I can, perhaps 10+ except the days I'm working, and I've never heard of myspace.com.

But yes, there is a definite bunch of people who are in the know about things on line.

In my age group, it was quite rare to have grown up around computers, and you can definetly tell the difference between me and my girlfriend. Though she is no technofobe or luddite, she has trouble with coming to grips with computers and technology some times. This can be easily seen in us slightly under 30 year olds, there are those who can and those who have to struggle to do so -not to mention the real computer haters who want to have nothing to do with the devils spawn.

The younger ones are an altogether different bunch, a huge majority of them are growing up with computers from the beginning. And waaaay better ones with so much more to do. I grew up around Olivettis with floppies and telnet!

Talk about a deprived childhood.

What the hell?. (1)

js92647 (917218) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175408)

I am adding BusinessWeek to my blocked site list.

a) MySpace Generation

Appearantly these guys have created a whole new fad/culture/generation simply by posting ominious, useless blogs all over a website. I have to say, MySpace would only be good if we could have more Suicide entries. That last one kept some of my friends up all night trying not to laugh. They can take a pat on the back for what they've made; but let's face it: Where are people like Maddox? I don't see a "Slashdot Generation" either being mentioned in the news, filled with "1. something 2. ???? 3. profit!!!" entries.

b) Promotional companies

It's kind of sad to see how far some companies (as mentioned in the article: Coca-Cola) to 'promote' their products through use of these .. "myspace users".

I think the _only_ reason this was created was because that kid killed himself. I am still laughing. Fucking brilliant. Kind of funny sometimes to see in how many ways you can construct the word "attention whore" and attach a modern-day occurence to it.

I am slowly awaiting a suicide on LiveJournal, followed by more articles from the media entitled "LiveJournal Jeneration" (note the J)

Re:What the hell?. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175472)

I am slowly awaiting a suicide on LiveJournal, followed by more articles from the media entitled "LiveJournal Jeneration" (note the J)

Infamous Slashdot page-widener/troll [slashdot.org] Klerck [wikipedia.org] posted a suicide note on LiveJournal [klerckisdead.com] before killing himself. Some of the LJ users actually egged him on. Sadly, the only "media" that gave any coverage of his suicide were the fags on trolltalk [slashdot.org].

Real friends (1)

tlynch001 (917597) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175434)

I don't understand how these kids are going to get better at baseball and basketball (or whatever sport) if they sit around in front of a computer all day instead of getting outside and practicing.

Oh the irony... (1)

Chaffar (670874) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175438)

Slashdot: Where the socially inept start ripping on the @ generation. Waitasec.. How did you get that +4 karma bonus? Yes, of course by having an active social life :P

We are nerds. We shouldn't rip on these newcomers to the Internet. 0W|\| 7|-|31r \/\/1N|)0z B*x3S maybe, but not rip on them...

Ahem (2, Insightful)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175439)

I live my life online and I wouldn't be found dead at my space. The Myspace crowd are the emo attenction whores who make the most notice. The majority who "live online" are average geeks who perfer their own company and enjoy reading wikipedia and slashdot. But these people don't gather in huge numbers in a forum sort of way (Slashdot is close I guess), so theres no way to record them.. but please for the love of God don't lump me in with these guys.

Yeesh....nuke the site from orbit, just to be sure (0, Flamebait)

DwarfGoanna (447841) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175460)

They live online. They buy online. They play online. Their power is growing...

They also hate to wear shirts and/or kiss themselves in the mirror. Dismantling this web atrocity should be the primary focus of the impending 'Generation ~'. Guh.

What about World of Warcraft and the burgeoning .. (4, Interesting)

philipkd (528838) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175482)

What about World of Warcraft and the burgeoning MMORPG space? There are 5.5 million subscribers to WoW, and in total, maybe 20 million people who play these MMORPGs worldwide, from games like Lineage to EverQuest.

I don't think myspace deserves to be associated with a "generation" because myspace hasn't generated its own unique subculture. And it's not really a "generation" as a large portion of the traffic on myspace is by older men looking for skanks.

The WoW and gamer culture, on the other hand, has its own languages and inside jokes. Plus guilds are way more cohesive than these loose organizations or "networks."

I'm creating a social network just for gamers, and WoW players specifically right now: Leetster [leetster.com]. This is a link to my profile: pakhuda [leetster.com]

historical myopia (2, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175484)

i'm kind of bothered about all these comments worrying about the coming generation because of myspace brainfodder

depending on how old you are, should we judge you on your graffiti from the 1980s or what you carved in your desk in the 1960s?

are you serious? you have a poor, dim view of history

you see a frightening loosening of standards over time before you. it is a false perception, relax

you suffer from historical myopia

there is nothing new under the sun, only dumb teenagers being dumb teenagers, as they did in 4000 BC, as they will do in 4000 AD

MySpace, Facebook, and Livejournal (1)

Council (514577) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175487)

My impression of MySpace is basically the same as my impression of Livejournal, except I've never seen a MySpace page that wasn't visually obnoxious.

I've used LiveJournal for about four years now as a way to keep up with all my non-local friends and occasionally share stuff, and more recently as an RSS/news feed reader. I know it's not the most popular way to handle blogs, but it works for me. I have always had the tasteful default scheme, and I never visit anyone's personal LJ page. I just see their entries in a nice format.

MySpace, I suspect, is much the same. Largely idiots, but I have a number of non-idiot friends, and some of them are on MySpace. It clearly works as a way to find people, if that's what you want; I've found interesting and intelligent people on Livejournal [livejournal.com] as well.

MySpace is a community. It has a visually obnoxious format, and since it encourages socializing it attracts all manner of teens, who then characterize it. It doesn't mean you can't use MySpace for intelligent, grown-up social networking, I'm sure. It's just that people who are neither intelligent nor grown up still socialize, and it's just as good (if not better) a tool for unintelligent immature socilalization. As with LJ, that makes up the bulk.

And as for finding people -- when I want to look someone up around campus or at another school, I use Facebook. Most of my friends are college-age and on there. And, thank god, Facebook doesn't allow custom themes, colors, or formats. If it didn't exist, I'd have to look people up on MySpace. But it does, so I don't need to go there yet.

Generation Labels (1)

thexgodfather (880849) | more than 8 years ago | (#14175488)

It seems to me that the labeling of a generation has become very uncreative and is occurring much too frequently. The only appropriate generation label I can think of dates back to the baby boomers when after the troops returned from World War 2 there was a huge jump in the number of babies.

The next generation became labeled as generation X. Now according to wikipedia Generation List [wikipedia.org] this is the generation I fall into, being born in 1979. The very name generation X gives a feeling of anonymity and utter lack of creativity. However I have not read Douglas Coupland's 1991 novel Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture.

The next generation label is Generation Y and is defined as people born in 1982 to 1991. After that there is generation Z and is given the age constraints of 2000+. Does anyone else see a trend of shortening generation gaps and lack of creativity and definition!

I assume the article naming the next generation as generation @ would be renaming the current generation Y. I am all for this because it gives a much clearer distinction and description of what this upcoming generation is! I would also like to propose shortening the age length of generation X and the baby boomer generation as well.

This is how I perceive the break down of generations
Baby Boomers 1943-1957
Generation X 1958-1973
Generation @ 1974-1998
Name Yet to be Defined 1999-?

I feel this would be a much more accurate depiction of the generation gaps and differences that occur. I also feel that it is unacceptable to label a generation when they are still pre-teen! Your teen years are the years you start to come into yourself and realize who you are.

Now to specifically focus on generation @ you must realize that myspace is not a phenomenon! There is also freindster and even before that findapix [findapix.com] which was around before any of the current sites way back in 1999! With that said yes the computer is a ground breaking achievement of our time and the Internet has brought everyone together but alas we are still in the OIL age we have been since the invention of the car. Its time to change CHANGE CHANGE

The lack of change for a hundred years can directly be laid to blame on the current young generation. Look at our apatheiticness to the current political situation! Have we learned nothing from the radicals actions of our parents generation?? But I won't get into all that.

Though, these are the things that define a generation and are a result of their label. So I am going to actually take action for my generation and throw that horrible term Generation Y away! Join with me and cast off your shackles of oppression!

--------- I guess its appropriate to post my myspace O.o my mypsace [myspace.com] PS I am an atrocious speller so please don't mind the mistakes!

Mirror Shots... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14175494)

Myspace, proving that no one can ever figure out the timer mode on their cameras.
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