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Sony Paid for Fake PSP Graffiti?

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the no-shame dept.

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Eli Gottlieb writes "It would appear that the Sony Corporation (known for their world-class rootkits) paid graffitists to paint pictures of children using their new PSPs on city walls. Sony "artists" (corporate operatives?) have even been caught in the act of painting advertising campaigns on public walls. Note that these are not paid-for billboards or advertising media, but illegal graffiti in the first place. Beyond that, Sony is attempting to co-opt the subculture and possibly even artistic integrity of real graffists to sell more PSPs! Luckily, people have started to paint back and show that corporate vandals are not welcome." Though it does appear the vandal depicted is copying the image off of a sheet of paper, there's no real proof of Sony's complicity. Take with a grain of salt.

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Sounds familiar... (4, Interesting)

haunebu (16326) | more than 8 years ago | (#14177589)

Remember the whole IBM/Linux graffiti fiasco [cnn.com] ?

Re:Sounds familiar... (4, Informative)

dago (25724) | more than 8 years ago | (#14177628)

... and a MSN / Butterfly [itnews.com.au] one.

Re:Sounds familiar... (4, Informative)

EnronHaliburton2004 (815366) | more than 8 years ago | (#14180503)

Some of those IBM/Linux sprays are still there, 4.5 years, 300,000 pedestrians and 150 rainstorms later.

I'm so glad it was "biodegradable chalk".

Re:Sounds familiar... (1, Offtopic)

Jerf (17166) | more than 8 years ago | (#14181639)

4.5 years, 300,000 pedestrians and 150 rainstorms later.

Wow, those are some amazingly precise numbers there.

But then, given your user name, I suspect you've got a lot of experience in making up plausible-sounding numbers.

SONY! (0, Offtopic)

Maxhrk (680390) | more than 8 years ago | (#14177613)

heh sony insult Roman with jesus adversiting...

now sony insult people with graffiti...

what next?

In North Korea's adversitement:

Leader of North korean holding PSP

"I approves this!" with cheesy smile.

I don't know...This seems too illegal... (2, Interesting)

radiopillows (802594) | more than 8 years ago | (#14177680)

Any word on Sony actually being tied to this? I mean, yes it's highly unlikely that anyone would promote the PSP other than Sony, but I'm curious if this was a decision they actually approved or supported.

Conclusive (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14177918)

The graffiti characters all match, despite having been done by different artists. They're what marketers call "on message."

The idea that multiple graffiti artists in different locations simultaneously designed the same PSP using characters and then.... it's so laughable I can't even finish that sentence.

As long as these photographs are genuine, there is *no* way that this isn't centrally coordinated. I suppose it's possible some fanboys might have decided to promote the PSP this way, but it doesn't really seem like fanboy behaviour. It's too organized and the graphic design is too well done.

Nintendo occasionally gets that kind of grass-roots support, but only for their legendary characters, not for a current product shot. Two story Mario 1 mural, sure. Nintendo DS graffiti, no.

Re:Conclusive (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14178205)

This may not be graffiti, but I'm sure many people remember these Nintendo fanboys 4 story work of art [yikes.com] .

Re:Conclusive (0, Redundant)

radiopillows (802594) | more than 8 years ago | (#14182121)

There's no doubt that the graffiti artists are working together, my question was: is there any actual proof that they're working for Sony?

Re:Conclusive (1)

topper24hours (853597) | more than 8 years ago | (#14186375)

Sure.... common sense!!! Advertising is ridiculously expensive. This probably cost them several if not tens of thousands. Who would foot the bill for that if not Sony?

Re:I don't know...This seems too illegal... (1)

Scruffeh (867141) | more than 8 years ago | (#14185631)

Not sure if they've done anything illegal though because I think it turns out that Sony paid people to graffiti on their property:

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,69741,00. html?tw=wn_tophead_1/ [wired.com]

Wonder if Sony will pay to clean up all the ad-jamming attempts as well?

Hilarious! (0, Troll)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14177687)

attempting to co-opt the subculture and possibly even artistic integrity of real graffists

Yes. That admirable artistic integrity that comes with vandelizing other people's property! Oh my - we wouldn't want to unfairly shed such people in a bad light!

Re:Hilarious! (5, Interesting)

HoneyBunchesOfGoats (619017) | more than 8 years ago | (#14177728)

In some places - here in Gainesville, FL, for instance - there are walls where graffiti is permitted. So these people could be subverting the legitimacy of actual "graffists" both by painting corporate advertising and by painting in illegal places.

Re:Hilarious! (2, Insightful)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14177793)

Some people hire graffiti artists to paint pictures on their walls. Not all graffiti is the illegal kind.

Re:Hilarious! (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14179559)

If that were the case, these "graffiti artists with high integrity" wouldn't be the slightest bit concerned with these Sony graffitists. After all, how is there any difference in the integrity of two similar illegal acts that have nothing to do with your legal art?

Or maybe they don't have the integrity they claim they do and it's the commercial act rather than the illegal one that they feel affects them.

Re:Hilarious! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14180136)

it looks like sony paid the owners of the property to tag thier walls. so, its just like any other advertising.

Re:Hilarious! (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14180187)

Well, then in that case there's nothing for anyone to complain about anything.

Re:Hilarious! (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#14181126)

Except the guy who owns the wall they're using.

Re:Hilarious! (1)

Dave2 Wickham (600202) | more than 8 years ago | (#14181235)

You seem to be reading at a threshold above 0 - you missed this post [slashdot.org] .

Re:Hilarious! (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#14183871)

Indeed I am. Damn rare valuable AC posts. ;)

Which prompts the new question: If they're not vandalizing, what's the big deal?

Re:Hilarious! (1)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14182655)

While it may be illegal, it is also art. Not "tagging", though. Seeing "joe" scrawled crappily on a pole isn't what I call art. Not that Joe pisses me off or anything. He's a cool guy.

Repeat of the xbox launch? (4, Insightful)

the_unknown_soldier (675161) | more than 8 years ago | (#14177716)

This sounds like a repeat of the XBOX launch. In my city (melbourne) Microsoft spray painted a lot of streets with the green "X" logo, causing a huge fuss in the media about it being graffitti. Seems companies never learn....

Re:Repeat of the xbox launch? (1)

StonedRat (837378) | more than 8 years ago | (#14179178)

causing a huge fuss in the media about it being graffitti. Seems companies never learn


I think the whole idea was to cause a huge fuss in the media, they got exactly what they wanted.

Some vandals are more equal than others... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14177863)

"... people have started to paint back and show that corporate vandals are not welcome."

You mean "competing vandals have started to paint back", surely?

Or do you mean that vandalising is OK as long as it's not done for profit? If so, grow the fuck up.

Re:Some vandals are more equal than others... (1)

sexysasian (592552) | more than 8 years ago | (#14178592)

Hey, it's your city too. If you don't see any difference between structured authentic urban art, shitty urban decay, and a fucking marketing campaign from a company that has already been busted once this quarter for being invasive to consumers, then you're the chump.

SHAMELESS PLUG: Check out San Francisco's most authentic graffiti documentary: Piece by Piece [piecebypiecemovie.com]

Re:Some vandals are more equal than others... (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 8 years ago | (#14181916)

structured authentic urban art

Jesus, that's the most pretentious description of vandalism I've ever seen. I have to wonder if you attended art school. You seem to have the chops.

There's a difference between Sony and stupid kids (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 8 years ago | (#14185659)

Or do you mean that vandalising is OK as long as it's not done for profit?

No, it's not OK, but normally, illegal tags are created by bored (and possibly stupid) kids who mark their territories like dogs pissing on corners. What exactly is Sony's excuse for behaving like that?

Re:Some vandals are more equal than others... (1)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 8 years ago | (#14186261)

competing vandals ARE PEOPLE!

they're PEOPLE!

Double standards (3, Insightful)

mcgroarty (633843) | more than 8 years ago | (#14177912)

Slashdotters were all cheering and happy when IBM sent guys around at night, painting those "Peace, Love and Linux" icons all over sidewalks what -- coopting pacifist culture? Is this another example of selective outrate where it's not what's done that gets people mad, but who's doing it?

Re:Double standards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14177951)

Yeah, because every person on Slashdot holds all the same opinions. Jackass.

Re:Double standards (1)

mcgroarty (633843) | more than 8 years ago | (#14177968)

We're talking about an overwhelming majority opinion here. Yes, you can argue that there were a few who didn't share in the groupthink, but it doesn't make any point.

Re:Double standards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14179446)

You have to read at -1 to do find those (the few who don't share in the groupthink). I encourage all freedom-loving individuals to read at -1. Don't let a bunch of fanboys censor what you read. Think for yourself. Question authority. Read the comments the hive mind doesn't want you to see, a couple of trolls be damned!

Re:Double standards (0, Troll)

Siniset (615925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14179806)

Well, and with that I'm done. So long Slashdot! "freedom-loving individuals" indeed.

Re:Double standards (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 8 years ago | (#14180319)

If you really want to cause havoc, start metamoderating everyone down. You actually get meta rights several times a day. Eventually all the potential moderators will be gone other than the few 'permanent' ones with unlimited points and they probably can't read every post (though I have a feeling that they will get this post.)

Re:Double standards (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14181152)

Hah, you are forgetting about meta-meta moderation (and no, I am not making this up).

Re:Double standards (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 8 years ago | (#14182773)

But I have meta-moderated people down for months and months. I go right through and metamoderate everyone DOWN everytime I see the option pop up - several times a day.

Re:Double standards (4, Insightful)

moonbender (547943) | more than 8 years ago | (#14177970)

First of all, yes, that's right, I'll reserve the right to be selectively outraged depending on what's being sprayed. I'm outraged at swastika graffiti, not so much at actual pictures. What's being sprayed is very much part of "what's done", who's doing it is really not relevant. Reading the CNN story [cnn.com] about the IBM graffitis that's also linked at the top of this thread, the IBM graffitis were really inconspicious, and sprayed on the sidewalks which certainly aren't as critical as building walls. Most importantly though, they were made from chalk: "It washes right off, so it will be removed the next time it rains." Total non-issue.

What I learned on Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14178175)

The parent post taught me:

sony = swastika; linux = virgin mary

vandalize vertical surface = bad; vandalize lateral = good

paint = sin; chalk = virtue

Re:Double standards (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 8 years ago | (#14178224)

Most importantly though, they were made from chalk: "It washes right off, so it will be removed the next time it rains." Total non-issue.

The IBM graffiti may have been chalk-based but they sure as hell didn't wash off after one rain. The Boston-area ones were around for at least 18 months, in a city with no shortage of rain and snow.

Re:Double standards (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14178314)

Most importantly though, they were made from chalk: "It washes right off, so it will be removed the next time it rains." Total non-issue.

Look for the next story about it. They didn't wash off. You had to scrub like hell, and if you didn't they stayed untill they wore off. They were intended to come right off, but they blew it.

Re:Double standards (2, Interesting)

uofitorn (804157) | more than 8 years ago | (#14180778)

I completely agree. At the University where I work at near downtown Chicago, I still see GTA San Andreas stickers on my commute to work (stuck to streetlamps, mailboxes, etc.) years after the game came out. The chalk IBM layed is certainly more ephemeral than the GTA stickers. I've noticed workers struggling to remove them but they usually give up after a while and let them remain.

Re:Double standards (1)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14182668)

GTA: San Andreas was released 2004-10-26. That's just shy of 14 months ago. Unless you're saying "years" meaning anything longer than 1.0 years... :-)

Re:Double standards (1)

uofitorn (804157) | more than 8 years ago | (#14184560)

You're right. It still frustrates me to see those stickers that I guess I unintentionally exaggerated.

Re:Double standards (2, Informative)

scheme (19778) | more than 8 years ago | (#14182475)

Reading the CNN story about the IBM graffitis that's also linked at the top of this thread, the IBM graffitis were really inconspicious, and sprayed on the sidewalks which certainly aren't as critical as building walls. Most importantly though, they were made from chalk: "It washes right off, so it will be removed the next time it rains." Total non-issue.

I still see some of the IBM linux graffiti here in Chicago. The rain and snow that it's experienced in the last 4 years doesn't seem to have washed it off.

Re:Double standards (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 8 years ago | (#14183483)

Is this another example of selective outrate where it's not what's done that gets people mad, but who's doing it?

It's a balance of who, what, and why. Some 15 year old punk doesn't get up from a bus seat to let an 80 year old invalid sit down, most people would find that rude. Rosa Parks doesn't get up from a bus seat...
 

Re:Double standards (1)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 8 years ago | (#14185185)

Slashdotters were all cheering and happy when IBM sent guys around at night, painting those "Peace, Love and Linux" icons all over sidewalks
Like hell we were. It was vandalism that unfairly placed a financial burden on the community then and it's the same thing now. That Sony are stupid enough to be doing this when there are a hojillion little spotlights pointed at them is hard to believe. Frankly, Sony are becoming the new SCO.

Like MSN in 2002 (4, Informative)

NoSuchGuy (308510) | more than 8 years ago | (#14178020)

For the launch [clickz.com] of MSN 8 there were the MSN butterflies everywhere. Here are some pics. [altterrain.com]

Re:Like MSN in 2002 (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14181131)

IBM did the same thing when it announced its linux strategy.

Corporate vandalism is already rife (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 8 years ago | (#14178043)

I presume it's the same everywhere but our city centre streets are continually blighted by illegal posters for records & tours etc.

Here's one such story with an Iron Maiden poster

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/ 4376267.stm [bbc.co.uk]

The big record companies pay organised criminal gangs to ruin our streets and then WE have to pay to have it cleared up.

Makes me sick

Re:Corporate vandalism is already rife (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 8 years ago | (#14180726)

If you like the poster it is freedom of speech. If you don't like the poster it is an eyesore.
Frankly I do think Sony needs some BIG fines for this. But if Greenpeace did the same thing I would want them fined as well. Freedom of speech doesn't mean the freedom to deface anyone's property even the public's.

Re:Corporate vandalism is already rife (1)

bri2000 (931484) | more than 8 years ago | (#14183765)

Sony were taken to court by Camden and Manchester councils in the UK last year to get anti-social behaviour orders (ASBOs) against Sony Music and certain of it's executives in relation to fly posting. http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/121/12109 3_music_company_spared_asbo_over_flyposting_pledge .html [manchesteronline.co.uk]

Sony's complete apathy (4, Insightful)

SleepyHappyDoc (813919) | more than 8 years ago | (#14178083)

Between this and the rootkit, it's obvious Sony doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone's rights. Not the rights of the owners of the property they are vandalising, not the rights of the owners of the computers they rootkitted, and not their customers. They just don't care. At this point, if all the prepaid PS3 orders come in as boxes filled with paper mache, it wouldn't completely surprise me. No ethics at all.

Re:Sony's complete apathy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14179828)

Your other options for next-generation consoles are Microsoft and Nintendo, both companies that have tried to use dominant market positions to keep competition out. What are you going to do for new games? Emulators? Linux?!

Re:Sony's complete apathy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14180295)

If you really must buy a next-gen console rather than a gaming PC, then simply go with the underdog each time.

In this case, buying Microsoft or Nintendo only serves to increase their market base while weakening Sony (who is the current dominant console manufacturer).

Thus, while still supporting an "evil" corporation, you are levelling the playing field, ensuring more competition between them and hopefully diverting some of their antipathy from their customers to eachother.

Re:Sony's complete apathy (1)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 8 years ago | (#14185032)

Your other options for next-generation consoles are Microsoft and Nintendo, both companies that have tried to use dominant market positions to keep competition out.

Pray tell, what illegal strategies has Nintendo employed to keep its dominant market position and keep competition out? In the handheld market, they're not keeping the competition out, they simply make a better machine and Sony screws up all by itself.

Re:Sony's complete apathy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14182696)

So it's now Sony's fault that users, who have their DRM software installed, just cicked-through a legally binding document that allows Sony to install such software?

Yep, it's in there, and fully understandable to anyone above a 5th grade education. Assuming they can take the 5-10 minutes out of their life to read, and digitally sign a legally binding document. Those who just scrolled and clicked? I have no pity for them.

Re:Sony's complete apathy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14183066)

It is when after they clicked "No", the software still installed itself.

Yes, it very much *is* Sony's fault. (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 8 years ago | (#14185811)

So it's now Sony's fault that users, who have their DRM software installed, just cicked-through a legally binding document that allows Sony to install such software?

Um, yeah. It's very much Sony's fault for creating and distributing this software. Most people don't read these EULAs, and no normal person expects a rootkit to be installed when they're simply trying to listen to music. Sony knew exactly what would happen to its users (to the very people who gave Sony money, nota bene!), and they went ahead anyway.

But even if you think that this is just OK and the user's fault, how Sony reacted to the whole thing and "fixed" it by making it even worse destroys any last shred of credibility they still had [schneier.com] .

Re:Yes, it very much *is* Sony's fault. (1)

HTL2001 (836298) | more than 8 years ago | (#14186192)

I also read that the rootkit installed weather you clicked agree or not

Re:Sony's complete apathy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14186271)

Not the rights of the owners of the property they are vandalising, not the rights of the owners of the computers they rootkitted, and not their customers. They just don't care.

Not to rain on your hate parade, but Sony did, according to Wired [wired.com] , pay the owners of the buildings that were sprayed for temporary advertising time, the same way that the building owner would be paid had a Sony PSP ad poster plastered on their wall. The article doesn't say that Sony was going to take care of removal, but I think that can be assumed.

So, looks like Sony, unlike MS and IBM, isn't really breaking any laws here, since they received permission beforehand. This wasn't vandalism, this was an attempt at making it look like there was an authentic love for their product.

I'm surprised there's any doubt... (3, Insightful)

PhotoBoy (684898) | more than 8 years ago | (#14178135)

... that Sony paid for this. I mean it's the same looking characters holding PSPs appearing in cities all over the US. If it's not Sony then these are some really dedicated PSP owners out there pushing the brand.

Then again, given the lack of decent games and homebrew on the PSP I'm sure these guys have plenty of spare time to use in trekking across the country shilling for Sony. :p

Interesting (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 8 years ago | (#14178187)

I think this was reported about a couple weeks back on This Week In Tech or somewhere else (not sure where). Although the link to Sony wasn't very clear then either.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was true though. The PSP marketing blitz hasn't done them much good, so I guess they're thinking a grass-roots / subliminal campaign might be a better option than in your face advertising.

Luckily, indeed... (4, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | more than 8 years ago | (#14178194)

Luckily, people have started to paint back and show that corporate vandals are not welcome.

No offense, assholes, but your vandalism is unwelcome, corporate or otherwise.

Re:Luckily, indeed... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14180637)

No offense, assholes, but your blank and crumbling brick wall is ugly as hell. Urban sprawl needs some dressing up to make it palatable.

Re:Luckily, indeed... (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 8 years ago | (#14182469)

Then buy said property and do with it what you will.

So it's true ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14178333)

So it's true, videogames do influence people ...

Dam you Jet Grind Radio!!!

You've turned Mindless Coporate Drones into Mindless Coporate Drones that illegally paint on the side of buildings.

Of course... (1, Interesting)

MaestroSartori (146297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14178518)

...I personally wouldn't put it past a different company competing with Sony (say MS, who just had a big product launch, or Nintendo who compete directly with the PSP itself) to pay for something like this to make Sony look bad. But then I am incredibly cynical.

Oh, I also work for Sony. But I didn't spraypaint anything :D

Re:Of course... (1)

Cheapy (809643) | more than 8 years ago | (#14182465)

I doubt it. Those companies can't really afford to give Sony any more Brand Recognition than they already have.

Apprentice (2, Informative)

Taulin (569009) | more than 8 years ago | (#14178731)

There was also an episode of The Apprentice, where Sony wanted the team to paint a street graffiti picture on the side of the building advertising GT4. I guess they just took this to the next step.

It's been covered on Wooster Collective already (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14178839)

http://www.woostercollective.com/2005/11/sony-psp- ads-what-do-you-think.html [woostercollective.com]

This site is dedictated to street art. Often times they'll cover when corporations pay street artsists to do ads. This is one such example

What if Microsoft did this? (3, Interesting)

Rosebud128 (930419) | more than 8 years ago | (#14179741)

Do we have proof that Sony did this? There is a story of a guy caught in action, but the story never confirmed he was from Sony or anything else.

Look carefully at the pictures. They do not depict the PSP in a positive light. The PSP is like a toy to the children. And in each picture, the children are not even looking at their PSP. Their gaze is elseware as if they were hypnotized. The swirl look in their eyes resembles the Microsoft 360 logo.

These pictures appeared in the major Xbox 360 launch cities of Chicago, New York, San Francisco, and Philadelphia all around the Xbox 360 launch. And Microsoft has done this type of activity before with MSN.

The more I think about it, the more it appears that Microsoft is behind this. It is even better how their rival, Sony, will get the blame for the graffiti.

How Embarassing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14179786)

I'm a Sony employee. It's so embarrassing that the company is doing this, and it saddens me. I also think it's totally unjustifiable.

I'd just like to say sorry for some of the idiots who work for us. Most of the rest of us are actually nice guys, honest.

Well... (1)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | more than 8 years ago | (#14180155)

Sony need to stop trying to attract the kind of people who enjoy graffiti and rebelling against the system, because they will only be seen as the enemy if they try to take their corporate marketing to an anti corporate audience.

complete crap (0)

serialexp (936123) | more than 8 years ago | (#14181232)

for one although they are done by different artist they are the same cru .. tats cru, and second no it was not paid for by sony, and if you pay attention to to the actual art you see that each of the kids are zombies (zombies to the machine) the whole point of the piece is to show that kids nolonger have creativity and everything they do is attached to videogames, the only reason it is a psp that they all have is because it is now the most recognized hand held and the most portable, as far as fake graff,, that it is not, its urban art .. there is 1 pieces of aresol that is 7ft tall and about 6 wide of 3 of the kids, so no .. sorry to smash your whole theory but as far as it being a ploy from sony that it is not (i know some of the writers from tats) and things go alot deeper than that ..so becareful before accusing a graff cru of selling out to sony. incase there is any dispute on the matter you can check out what exactly the fus is about i have some of the Bill post which Z is talking about (bil post is also a urban art the quickest of the throw ups)

Re:complete crap (1)

skreeech (221390) | more than 8 years ago | (#14182300)

very informative. I thought that it might have been something more legit than sony advertisments.

Re:complete crap (1)

serialexp (936123) | more than 8 years ago | (#14182525)

sorry if i sounded kind of heated but i guess i got kind of excited when i saw the misconception.

Re:complete crap (1)

rohlfinator (888775) | more than 8 years ago | (#14183155)

This article [psp-spot.com] claims otherwise. (Scroll down a bit, it was posted Dec. 4 at 2:10 AM)

According to the article:
-The drawings are ads, not anti-Sony art.
-Tats Cru is in fact responsible for the ads on the East Coast, but they were hired by Sony to paint them.
-Tats Cru obtained the permission of the store owners before painting the ads.

This doesn't explain the ads in Chicago, Los Angeles, or San Francisco, so it's likely that Sony hired other local artists in those areas. It sounds like the whole setup is fairly legal, assuming that all local artists got permission to do this. Still, it's kind of deceitful on Sony's part... but I guess that's their specialty these days.

Re:complete crap (1)

serialexp (936123) | more than 8 years ago | (#14183935)

sorry i beg to differ on that for real . the bill postings that run on grant and w.broadway in nyc are definitly not authorized there is one building side that is infact authorized, not because of sony, but just because it is a permission wall, other cities = colab , if you want an actual example of promotional graff look at the store side cocacola ads .. pure product , children as zombies .. hmmm 2 +2 is not six .. sorry guy

your posts:complete crap (1)

Zaplocked (925208) | more than 8 years ago | (#14184400)

The way you write... it's so painful. What the fuck is .. supposed to be? Are you aiming for an ellipses, or are you just really excited when you get to end a sentence with a period?
I could try and translate what you have wrote into something more legible if you'd like.

Re:your posts:complete crap (1)

chinadrum (848282) | more than 8 years ago | (#14185479)

Attn grammar nazi: Are you aiming for [-an] ellipses translate what you have [written] Work on your own posts.

Re:your posts:complete crap (1)

chinadrum (848282) | more than 8 years ago | (#14185515)

I too would benefit from the use of the preview button. I just formatted in the comment box without BR tags

Re:complete crap (1)

rohlfinator (888775) | more than 8 years ago | (#14186293)

Well, the legality of the drawings may still be in question, but I think it's fairly obvious that these drawings are promotional material.

It's unlikely that a New York-based team would organize an effort to draw identical graffiti all over the nation. If they were really trying to make a point, surely they would have been creative enough to come up with more than three or four drawings. It's far more plausible for a company with a worldwide scope to organize such an event, and the characters seem to fit in very well with Sony's PSP ad campaign.

Also, if the artists are simply trying to make a statement about videogames, why would they use such a precisely drawn replica of a PSP? Wouldn't it be more effective to draw a generic game console, rather than increasing Sony's mindshare with an official-looking drawing?

Sorry, but the article I linked to earlier seems to have the facts pretty straight. It sounds like they've actually talked to some of the artists, as they have some specific information about the contract. Until some official word comes out (which is unlikely), I think it's safe to assume that Sony is behind this.

I saw some last night... (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14181722)

Around 13th and South Street in Philadelphia. There is a tatoo shop that usually has grafitti on the side and while bar hopping I noticed it.

Three chracters using a psp with different thinks like licking a psp on a stick or using is at a paddle ball.

I thought perhaps the artist was just being over zealous over a pop statement about his personal psp and his friends, but perhaps it was one of these paid adds.

Correct terms (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14181836)

It's not graffists or graffistis, it's GRAFFITI ARTISTS or graf artists

and tons of graf is done on completely legal surfaces. I think people are getting pissed and always do when corporations use invasive advertising. Graffiti artists are trying to create art and a statement against corporations, and when they turn around and use it against them it's like a slap in the face. There is a code and many kids (and I use kids b/c your 26 yr old graf artist isn't doing it) don't follow it.. don't paint on private property or federal property, don't paint over the numbers on trains, etc. what's the harm of painting underneath a bridge, or on a train? It makes boring urban "design" loook better.

Re:Correct terms (1)

Mr Tall (767172) | more than 8 years ago | (#14184524)

No it doesn't.

That's my opinion, you have yours. Both opinions are irrelevant.

It's not your stuff. Stop fucking painting shit on it.

Are the police involved ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14181863)


because vandalising private property is a criminal offence, wether you do it or pay someone to do it,

the residents whos property has been damaged should be calling their local police and pressing charges, perhaps when a few Sony people are sitting in jail they might think about their actions a bit more, but that wont happen, seems the pathetic public is all to accepting of large gangs ( aka corporations) doing whatevr the fuck they like, perhaps the residents should be tracking down Sony executives and spraying their property

Graffiti artists = vandals (1)

BassKadet (936182) | more than 8 years ago | (#14182577)

Call them what they are: vandals. I don't care if they paint on the side of a church or on the undercarriage of a bridge that nobody will ever see: IF IT IS NOT YOURS, YOU DON'T DEFACE IT. People generally have a wide variety of tastes when it comes to art. How dare you push your art onto others? Would you like it if I came into your house, went into your bedroom, and painted a big fucking picture of David Hasselhoff above your bed? Oh wait, you mean you PREFER the bland, white ceiling to my amazing art??

Re:Graffiti artists = vandals (1)

skreeech (221390) | more than 8 years ago | (#14182756)

how does it being under the bridge hurt anyone if they don't see it? Assuming the city doesn't clean it up no money is lost either. Who actually uses these walls for something? Most are just there, a biproduct of a building in an alley. Who owns the bottom of a bridge? Every tax payer assuming you are in the western world.

Re:Graffiti artists = vandals (1)

BassKadet (936182) | more than 8 years ago | (#14182816)

Vandals do not paint surfaces that are not visible. And even if they did paint in places you couldn't normally see...it doesn't give them the right to do it. Just because a vandal pays taxes does not mean he/she has the right to alter the appearance of an object. Their share in the ownership of that property is tiny....if he lives in a city of one million people, and everybody pays equal taxes (they do not) that is .0001%.

Re:Graffiti artists = vandals (1)

damsa (840364) | more than 8 years ago | (#14183146)

What if there were a bunch of people were to go out and then mow a public park, and weed it and such, they don't have the right to alter the appearance of an object?

It's not yours so you are not allowed to change it (1)

krischik (781389) | more than 8 years ago | (#14183443)

Pepole got into trouble for that in Germany - and had to reverse there work or beeing fined. Without the city concils permission you are not allowed to do gardening on public ground.

If it's not yours you are not allowed to change it! There are no two ways around it.

Martin

It's not yours so you are not allowed to change it (1)

krischik (781389) | more than 8 years ago | (#14183455)

How do you know? Prehaps the owner has hired a real Artist do do some work on the wall. He might me sceduled to arrive tomorrow - only he won't be able to start because the vandalism has to be cleand up before hand.

Unless you ask the onwer for permissing you won't know his planns for the wall.

Martin

I would like that very much! (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 8 years ago | (#14185909)

Would you like it if I came into your house, went into your bedroom, and painted a big fucking picture of David Hasselhoff above your bed?

I would like that very much. When are you free?

here we go again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14183035)

more problems at sony:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-sony4dec04,0 ,3749240.story?coll=la-home-headlines [latimes.com]

Documents released by Spitzer charged that bribing radio programmers with plasma TVs, vacations and laptop computers in exchange for airplay was not only commonplace at Sony BMG, but also had "been tolerated and facilitated by senior executives."

any publicity... (1)

MadJo (674225) | more than 8 years ago | (#14185100)

... is good publicity...

Sony is good at generating bad publicity, and percieving that as good PR. :)

If you live in a city with a sony office (1)

hikerhat (678157) | more than 8 years ago | (#14185179)

Wouldn't it be fun to walk around their parking area/building with a spray can and do a little of your own advertising. And you might want to bring some mace in case their rent-a-cops come after you. You might even target the most compensatory SUVs, as those probably belong to the marketing wanks who came up with this stupid idea. Too bad we can't do it because it is against the law.

rofl (0)

hikerhat (678157) | more than 8 years ago | (#14185213)

"Sony and PSP have every right to use this type of media," Hayes said. "They have done it for (a) very long time very successfully and spoke the language of the streets without being patronizing."

ha ha ha ha. I can't get enough :)

I like the look of the art. (1)

neo (4625) | more than 8 years ago | (#14186275)

I saw posters here, nothing on raw walls. The kids look like they are on drugs and the PSP in each image is not being used as you would expect. Skateboard, Paddleball, etc.

Personally it wont sway my choice of handheld game device, but it's interesting to see a corp take this kind of risk. Can't the city sue them?

just a little astroturfing (1)

chomprock (927088) | more than 8 years ago | (#14186357)

good stuff. like how Sharpe James hired supporters for the Camden mayoral election and bussed them in from philly. it's a funny kind publicity. some kind of fake-ass street cred
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