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Music Should Be Heard But Not Understood

samzenpus posted more than 8 years ago | from the dirty-dean-and-the-dunder-cheese dept.

Music 462

PaxTech writes "Warner/Chapell music has cease-and-desisted a small freeware developer who wrote a Mac OS X lyrics downoading application. pearLyrics in no way contributed to piracy or copyright infringement, it was merely a tool to search for lyrics on public websites and view or add them to mp3 metadata. This is part of a larger crackdown on websites distributing lyrics. Apparently, the labels would like to force us back to a world where Hendrix kisses guys."

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Facilitators (5, Interesting)

biocute (936687) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206655)

Isn't this (linking/facilitating) the reason why Napster and friends got nipped? They are sort of helping illegal (as determined by whoever) activities to gain publicity.

While I enjoy freely available and searchable lyrics, I must admit 9 out of 10 times I regretted having looked up the lyrics, it kinda ruins my feeling once I understand every single word and can sing-a-long. Am I the only one having this kind of 'empty-yet-lyric-filled' feeling?

Re:Facilitators (5, Insightful)

Trinn (523103) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206676)

Maybe my comprehension of spoken(sung?) language sucks but I prefer having the lyrics, it really helps me understand what an artist is trying to communicate, and among other things it makes it a lot easier to read the subtext involved. This is especially helpful in the case of a "rock opera" type "concept" album (one example is Green Day's "American Idiot", another from another area is VNV Nation's "Matter+Form")

Re:Facilitators (2, Insightful)

gid13 (620803) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206762)

The ruined feeling is probably because 9 times out of 10 the lyrics suck more ass than a donkey vacuum.

"Anything too stupid to be said is sung."
-Voltaire

Re:Facilitators (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206768)

"I must admit 9 out of 10 times I regretted having looked up the lyrics, it kinda ruins my feeling once I understand every single word"

Yeah, I know the feeling. I used to think the refrain in Red Hot Chili Peppers' "Special Secret Song" was "I want to party on your birthday bright" when in reality it's "I want to party on your Pussy right." I realize those look nothing alike but the way Anthony Kiedis sings it it's kind of a meld in between those two lol. I actually gave a copy of it to a girlfriend at the time on a mix tape, hope she never figured out the real lyrics either hehe (she was real religious).

Re:Facilitators (1)

castoridae (453809) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206781)

If this went to court (not that an individual is going to go to court over this, as per other posts), it theoretically comes down to whether the application has legitimate uses, as per the Betamax case. I'd say yes, since it seems likely that the user legitimately owns at least some of the music in his iTunes - including the lyrics to those songs.

Re:Facilitators (1)

Entropius (188861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206836)

Does owning a recording of a song also mean that you have the rights to a copy of the lyrics? Many would say no.

I'd say this is yet another demonstration of how absurd the current incarnation of copyright law is.

Re:Facilitators (4, Informative)

FyRE666 (263011) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206835)

Actually, being able to look up the lyrics to a song has often resulted in me buying an album. I'll often hear a snatch of something and try to remember part of a chorus or something so I can look it up. Amazingly this works a fair percentage of the time!

If I can't look up lyrics, I'll buy less music. Pretty simple really.

Embarrassing (4, Interesting)

Simonetta (207550) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206861)

How embarrassing. Musicians are generally thought of as being cool people. But (I would hope) that they are getting rather uncomfortable being associated with these weirdo-goon squad from the RIAA.
    The RIAA doesn't really help you in your musical career and they act like psychotic creeps. How long before people will stop want to be musicians because they don't want to have to be associated with these RIAA industry people.
    Could music actually become uncool as a result of the RIAA's vulgar actions? (I sound like Carrie Bradshaw there) Or are the people who want to become rock stars so out of it anyway that they couldn't care less?

vdsvd (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206656)

bah1!

Uhhh... (1)

Nezzari (927045) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206658)

Bring on the rap?

Do it or not (3, Informative)

NotoriousGOD (936922) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206662)

If people don't want lyrics don't look them up. If you do, you don't need software. google.com > lyrics: "enter song here" > search

Re:Do it or not (1)

cdrdude (904978) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206724)

In other words, GIYF (Google Is Your Friend)

Re:Do it or not (1)

bwy (726112) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206737)

What? Google can be used to facilitate this sort of thing? I guess the RIAA will be after them next for the same reasons they are going after every other "facilitator".

The other way is more useful (1)

Handpaper (566373) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206870)

I used to use google to search for song titles by lyric fragment. When I was at work, listening to the radio, if I liked the sound of a song, but didn't know or couldn't guess its title, I'd jot down a line or two on a sticky label (I work in a warehouse, plain paper is uncommon outside the offices, but labels are ubiquitous) and stick it to my sweater. On getting home, a few minutes with Google would usually get me a title and Audiogalaxy (remember that one?) would do the rest.
Of course, instrumentals and classical pieces were a bit harder :)

Next.. (4, Funny)

skinfitz (564041) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206665)

Next up: no singing in the shower without a license.

Re:Next.. (2, Funny)

raider_red (156642) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206710)

They're also confiscating all of the Hymnals at Church.

Re:Next.. (2, Funny)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206712)

Surgeons report rise in operations of amputation of eyes, ears & throats as people are scared of accidently infringing copywrite.

This is in response to a RIAA lawsuit where they sued a 12 year old girl for humming along to music in an elevator that unfortunatly was held under copywrite.

Re:Next.. (1)

True_Requiem (858339) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206777)

"Sir sir? Do you have a licence for the vibrations crossing your ear drum?" "Uhm, I'm walking down the street. The car drove passed with the radio on... so no." "CODE 7 CODE 7! Non-licenced ears listening to the patented sounds of the world! Call for backup!" "Ahhh! My ears!" ::deaf::

Re:Next.. (2, Funny)

i_should_be_working (720372) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206834)

Also, there's a new type of DRM coming out where after you have remembered a song 3 times it erases itself from your memory.

Wait a minute. I could use that sometimes.

The Onion (5, Funny)

centinall (868713) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206816)

LOS ANGELES - The Recording Industry Association of America announced Tuesday that it will be taking legal action against anyone discovered telling friends, acquaintances, or associates about new songs, artists, or albums. "We are merely exercising our right to defend our intellectual properties from unauthorized peer-to-peer notification of the existence of copyrighted material," a press release signed by RIAA anti-piracy director Brad Buckles read. "We will aggressively prosecute those individuals who attempt to pirate our property by generating 'buzz' about any proprietary music, movies, or software, or enjoy same in the company of anyone other than themselves." RIAA attorneys said they were also looking into the legality of word-of-mouth "favorites-sharing" sites, such as coffee shops, universities, and living rooms. http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43029 [theonion.com]

Overkill (3, Insightful)

revelCyllufyalP (936726) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206668)

Okay, I can kind of see the basis behind SOME of the recording industry's points (go ahead and mod me flamebait now) seeing as music is copyrighted property and whatnot. But aren't lyrics not copyrighted or are the hundreds of sites out there that give song lyrics away for free underground criminal enterprises?

In any case I think the recording industry is definately overstepping its bounds here and should probably focus on winning the first losing battle it got it self into (the fight vs. p2p file sharing) before trying to start another one.

Re:Overkill (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206817)

Of course lyrics are copyrighted. And yes, technically, giving out the lyrics is infringement. However, copyright law provides fair use exemption depending on the nature of the infringement. A non-profit lyrics site for the purposes of lyric criticism would be fairly safe. A company publishing lyrics and selling ads... less so. A company selling a product designed to search for lyrics... probably not protected at all.

That said, the question becomes one of whether publishing the lyrics diminishes the value of the work in any significant way. Companies don't have to be assholes and defend their copyrights against harmless infringement that boosts their sales. The ones who do... are just that, and you should tell them where to shove their music.

That said, it may simply be that if people knew how inane the lyrics on the Warner label are, they might not buy the music. Somehow, I have a feeling literary criticism is precisely what they're trying to avoid. :-)

(From Google: Your search - "good warner artist" - did not match any documents. [google.com] )

Re:Overkill (1)

cdrdude (904978) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206824)

I think the recording industry is definately overstepping its bounds here and should probably focus on winning the first losing battle it got it self into (the fight vs. p2p file sharing) before trying to start another one. Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing them fight lots of battles at once. They'll run out of money faster and there will be much rejoicing.

Re:Overkill (5, Informative)

shark72 (702619) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206844)

"Okay, I can kind of see the basis behind SOME of the recording industry's points (go ahead and mod me flamebait now) seeing as music is copyrighted property and whatnot."

That's fine. Today, we are talking about the music publishing industry. I know it's a "same difference" to a lot of Slashdotters, just as non-Slashdotter types might think that IT guys, MIS guys, coders and project managers all do the same thing.

"But aren't lyrics not copyrighted or are the hundreds of sites out there that give song lyrics away for free underground criminal enterprises?"

Lyrics are copyrighted, typically by the lyricist. The lyric sites get around this with those cryptic "only for individual private study" disclaimers -- I'd copy and paste the exact text but I don't feel like going to a lyric site right now and festooning my display with twelve pop-ups.

Anyway, the lyricist may transfer the publishing rights to a company that specializes in such things (similar to entrusting a real estate agent to sell your house or a CPA to do your taxes -- pay a little more and let an expert do it), or they might form a one-person publishing company. Lennon and McCartney created a two-person company, Northern Songs, Ltd.

As an aside, since many of these publishing companies are just the lyricist and/or the composer, and lyricists and composers are creative folks, you get some funny and clever company names. Look on your CDs -- you'll often see things like "Contents copyright (c) MegaBigRecord Company and Green Ardvaark Ltd." "Green Ardvaark" is probably the guy who wrote the words or the notes.

Warner/Chappell Music happens to be an exception -- it's a very large music publishing company that handles the publishing rights for lots and lots of musicians. They are a subsidiary of the Warner empire (as are their record, film, and book divisions) but they are not a record company, and they are not in the recording industry. They are in the music publishing industry.

"In any case I think the recording industry is definately overstepping its bounds here and should probably focus on winning the first losing battle it got it self into (the fight vs. p2p file sharing) before trying to start another one."

Different industries. This is the music publishing industry, that gets its revenues through radio airplay, jukeboxes, licensing to films and movies, etc. -- pretty much everything but record sales and other pursuits of the recording industry. Perhaps it would be accurate to say that Warner should not be doing this, but this very well might be a left hand/right hand thing.

Re:Overkill (2, Informative)

Jerry Coffin (824726) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206847)

But aren't lyrics not copyrighted or are the hundreds of sites out there that give song lyrics away for free underground criminal enterprises?

Yes lyrics are subject to copyright [copyright.gov] . This particular quote is from US law, but I'm reasonably certain all countries that follow the Berne Convention (and most at least claims to) have similar rules.

Of course, Fair Use [stanford.edu] is a possibility as well -- but almost certainly not in the case of quoting the lyrics to a complete song.

--
The universe is a figment of its own imagination.

what?!? he doesnt kiss guys... (4, Interesting)

zxnos (813588) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206670)

are you sure about that? [bbc.co.uk]

sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206736)

'scuse me while I kiss this guy...

Re:what?!? he doesnt kiss guys... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206755)

modded as "Interesting".. I feel sick.. should actually be Funny

Re: Lyric Site Shutdowns (5, Funny)

Scoria (264473) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206672)

It seems that their tactics are already working. I'm already having trouble finding the lyrics for Beethoven's Fifth Symphony. If there are any underground sites still operating, please let me know. Thanks!

Re: Lyric Site Shutdowns (4, Funny)

simcop2387 (703011) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206699)

oh please everyone knows the lyrics!

bum bum bum bummmm
  BUM BUM BUM BUMMMM

Re: Lyric Site Shutdowns (2, Funny)

Carthag (643047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206709)

I'm posting them here, risking life & limb:

Lalala-laa
Lalala-laa
lalalalalalalalalalalalalalala-

Re: Lyric Site Shutdowns (1)

Skim123 (3322) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206740)

NO BODY'S HOME. NO BODY'S HOME.

No body's home, no body's home, no body's home.
No body's home, no body's home, no body's home.

NO BODY'S HOME!

NO BODY'S HOME!

NO BODY'S HOME, HOME HOME!!

Re: Lyric Site Shutdowns (1)

biocute (936687) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206747)

I think the problem with lack of lyrics is obvious, look at your replies:

simcop2387: bum bum bum bummmm
Carthag: Lalala-laa

While the music is the same (ie x-x-x xxx), each person interpreted the "lyrics" differently, I wish Beethoven was still alive and finished the lyrics!

Re: Lyric Site Shutdowns (1)

spellraiser (764337) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206749)

I'm not sure if this is a joke, but on the risk of sounding silly, I will assume that it is not, and point out that this Google search [google.com] provides many hits to this information.

Re: Lyric Site Shutdowns (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206772)

sorry dude, he was looking for the No. 5, not no. 9 - and yes this entire thread is a joke

Re: Lyric Site Shutdowns (4, Funny)

doubtless (267357) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206850)

I'm sure it's stored in the same sites that has John Cage's 4'33"

Re: Lyric Site Shutdowns (1)

Entropius (188861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206860)

No lyrics, but Peter Schickele has done an interesting ... play-by-play commentary ... of the Fifth, as if it were a football game and he were a sportscaster.

*wrong note heard from the horns section* "Wow, Bobby Corno really flubbed that note! He'll be lucky if they don't trade him to another orchestra next season!"

What's new (5, Insightful)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206675)

So what's new? Companies send Cease and desist orders all the time, it's the easiest way to scare people into doing what they want. It's ridiclous but it's true, if you act like you're going to sue people they figure out if they can aford the law suit (win or lose) and more often than not they see they don't have the money so they're forced to stop.

It's like pointing a gun at someone, they "could" not get shot, but is it worth the risk when you could just give them your watch and be done with it?

Re:What's new (5, Insightful)

HunterZ (20035) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206743)

It's like pointing a gun at someone, they "could" not get shot, but is it worth the risk when you could just give them your watch and be done with it?

Funny thing is, it's illegal to point a gun at someone and threaten them into doing something...

Re:What's new (1)

ampathee (682788) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206831)

It's also illegal to actually use the gun, which is not the case with lawsuits.

Re:What's new (4, Insightful)

kaiser423 (828989) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206833)

Funny this is, it's illegal to do so with a lawsuit. Just much harder to prove the intent, and also involves another lawsuit.

Re:What's new (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206842)

"Funny thing is, it's illegal to point a gun at someone and threaten them into doing something..."

Why is that a funny thing?

Oh wait... you meant strange funny - not ha ha funny, didn't you?

--

Re:What's new (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206784)

Or hand them your watch then you pull you own CCW and execute them. Don't ever be a victim to some nigger-ass thug.

The RIAA is dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206795)

more often than not they see they don't have the money so they're forced to stop.

For me, that would be the perfect reason to fight. What exactly are you gonna get out of me? I have nothing. Come and get it suckers.

Free music from bands that don't suck:

Defeat the RIAA. Stop listening to what they produce.

What dirty deeds! (4, Funny)

ScaryMonkey (886119) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206677)

It must have been that "Thunder Chief" I keep hearing about...

Alternate programs. Plus, anyone got a mirror? (2, Informative)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206678)

There are several other programs that do this kind of thing for iTunes:

SingPod [tricheco.net]

Sing that iTune [apple.com]

Also a question, does anyone have a mirror for the pearLyrics program?

Re:Alternate programs. Plus, anyone got a mirror? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206769)

They probably thought pearLyrics was the only program like that.


Now what will I do when "Sing that iTune" needs an update and all their website has is a notification of cease-and-desist?

Sosueme (0, Offtopic)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206681)

(The RIAA are) Pretty Vacant (sung by an RIAA executive)

there's no point in asking
you'll get no reply
oh just remember a don't decide
i got no reason it's too all much
you'll always find us out to lunch

oh we're so pretty
oh so pretty we're vacant
oh we're so pretty
oh so pretty
a vacant

don'y ask us to attend
'cos we're not all there
oh don't pretend 'cos i don't care
i don't belive illusions
'cos too much is real
so stop you'r cheap comment
'cos we know what we feel

oh we're so pretty
oh so pretty we're vacant
oh we're so pretty
oh so pretty we're vacant
ah but now and we don't care

there's no piont in asking
you'll get no reply
oh just remember a don't decide
i got no reason it's all too much
you'll always find me out to lunch
we're out on lunch

oh we're so pretty
oh so pretty we're vacant
oh we're so pretty
oh so pretty we're vacant
oh we're so pretty
oh so pretty ah
but now and we don't care
we're pretty
a pretty vacant
we're pretty
a pretty vacant
we're pretty
a pretty vacant
we're pretty
a pretty vacant
and we don't care

Re:Sosueme (2, Funny)

Plug (14127) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206731)

Is this meant to be a ripoff of Pretty Vegas?

Re:Sosueme (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206774)

It's a Sex Pistols song

Re:Sosueme (1)

RipTides9x (804495) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206787)

NO. It's just a ripoff of Pretty Vacant, by the Sex Pistols.

Re:Sosueme (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206826)

It's not exactly a rip off , it' the lyrics to Pretty vacant .
Also what moderator is smoking crack ? GP is 100% on topic

Guy bashing. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206684)

"Apparently, the labels would like to force us back to a world where Hendrix kisses guys.""

Heaven forbid that should happen.

Uhh, no... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206843)

I believe the "kisses guys" reference comes from a song of Hendrix's where he sings "'Scuse me while I kiss the sky". This line is often misheard as "'Scuse me while I kiss this guy."

$.10 per song lyric (5, Insightful)

fnhoser (915934) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206689)

I can't wait to have to pay to understand the words to a song.

Re:$.10 per song lyric (1)

joey_knisch (804995) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206715)

If $.10 would get me the third line of Polaris' Hey Sandy, I would gladly pay. There is only speculation on the internet and the band won't give up the secret.

Wrapped up like a what? (1)

joey_knisch (804995) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206693)

I always liked Manfred Mann's Earth Band's Blinded By the Light.

Those mysterious lyrics are:

revved up like a deuce,
another runner in the night


This has to be the most truly misheard lyric ever.

Re:Wrapped up like a what? (1)

night_flyer (453866) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206745)

'cuse me while I kiss this guy

Re:Wrapped up like a what? (1)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206767)

'cuse me while I kiss the douche!

Re:Wrapped up like a what? (1)

joey_knisch (804995) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206791)

I'm sorry but most people I know hear the correct lyrics for Purple Haze on that the first time.

Last time Blinded by the Light came on, I asked everyone in the room if they knew what the hell the singer was saying. Nobody could give me even a hint.

That's why I looked it up.

Re:Wrapped up like a what? (1)

SilverspurG (844751) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206754)

HAHAHA!

I heard a live version of that tune where they actually changed the lyrics (can't remember to what) just so that it wouldn't be so easy to misinterpret. :)

Damn.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206800)

now I'll never find out what a "pompatus" is.

Re:Wrapped up like a what? (1)

aevan (903814) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206811)

Some comedy group has a skit with a few guys sitting around (playing cards I think) and they break into an arguement over what they think the lyrics are. No clue who it was, but I thought it was rather funny. (Might have been at 'Just for Laughs' festival)

Forgetting one thing (4, Interesting)

Lord of Ironhand (456015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206698)

While I totally do not condone the activities of the RIAA and similar (to the contrary), you *can* usually read the lyrics when you actually buy the CD, since most of the time it has a lyrics booklet included. Since they want you to buy the CD and not download it, this *does* make sense from their perspective.

Since I don't want to be on the whole defensive of the RIAA, here's a link to the RIAA Radar [magnetbox.com] to balance things - boycott the RIAA!

Re:Forgetting one thing (4, Insightful)

lrucker (621551) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206728)

But first you have to buy the CD - what I've used lyrics sites for most often is "hey, that song on the radio was pretty good - wonder who the artist is?" Most of my recent iTunes purchases came after doing something like that - and on occasion I've even bought the entire CD.

Re:Forgetting one thing (2, Insightful)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206864)

You're assuming that their priority is to get the most sales.

Their priority is to persuade everyone that there is no way to have one's songs sold without using the labels' service.

Re:Forgetting one thing (4, Informative)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206738)

While I totally do not condone the activities of the RIAA and similar (to the contrary), you *can* usually read the lyrics when you actually buy the CD

This app was a plugin for iTunes, so it's meant to fill in the gap for those who, legally, bought the song online.

Re:Forgetting one thing (1)

Lord of Ironhand (456015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206793)

Good point (also made by a sibling post), legal bought downloads are clearly missing something here compared to bought CD's. I was mostly responding to the sentence "This is part of a larger crackdown on websites distributing lyrics.", which in my opinion isn't relevant purely to legal downloads (even though TFA mostly deals with the app instead of the sites). The ability to download lyrics as well as songs does still reduce the difference between buying the CD and downloading illegally though - once again, I'm not defending the RIAA et al here but just reasoning from their viewpoint.

Re:Forgetting one thing (0)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206744)

Thanks for the link -- I've been looking for something like that.

Re:Forgetting one thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206759)

Usually == Sometimes == Quite often not.

Re:Forgetting one thing (1)

Lord of Ironhand (456015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206829)

I have to admit to not being too familiar with how often this is the case for mainstream music - I'm mostly into metal and folk music myself. I'd estimate that in my CD collection (~250 CD's), easily 90% has full lyrics included, and especially in the case of metal albums the booklets often also feature nice graphical artwork. Probably not coincidentically, very few of these CD's were released by RIAA members.

Re:Forgetting one thing (2, Insightful)

Twisted64 (837490) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206765)

Do you get a copy of the lyrics when you buy off iTunes? I don't know the answer to that one, but I'd say it's probably "no." I once used EvilLyrics to assist in decoding those crazy System of a Down songs, and found it VERY useful. If they really follow through with this, they'll have to shut down the hundreds of lyrics sites on the web. Like the guy said, it's just a specialised browser with lots of cache...

Re:Forgetting one thing (1)

halowolf (692775) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206858)

Do you get a copy of the lyrics when you buy off iTunes? I don't know the answer to that one, but I'd say it's probably "no."

iTunes supplies a facility to enter the lyrics of a song you have purchased. Right click the song, select 'Get Info' and select the 'Lyrics' tab and enter them in the editable field. (At least on windows boxes) Conceivably, iTunes in the future could provide the lyrics of the song that you have purchased just like it supplies the artwork of the song at the moment.

None of the songs i have purchased have had any lyrics supplied, and the help indicates that you just enter them so I think that the answer is a big fat NO.

Surprised it took this long... (2, Insightful)

Sancho (17056) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206706)

...shutting down recent lyrics sites, that is. After the big fuss made over lyrics.ch, I was surprised to be able to consistently find the lyrics to songs I've heard on the radio by simply searching Google. Many times, the places I'd find lyrics hosted lyrics for thousands of songs. What took them so long in shutting down these massive sites?

I don't really understand it. Unlike mp3s, I can't see lyrics downloads doing anything but boosting sales. Nevertheless, posting lyrics violates copyright and it is within their rights to try to get these places shut down.

Re:Surprised it took this long... (1)

tktk (540564) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206845)

I don't really understand it. Unlike mp3s, I can't see lyrics downloads doing anything but boosting sales.

I think because it eats into sales of songbooks (music & lyrics). Go into any Guitar Center and you'll see racks and racks of songbooks.

I have a violinist friend and he constantly complains about having to buy sheets of music. In his opinion, the prices are a rip off, even for classical music and the sheets never last for more than a few month. Course, my friend is pretty messy so YMMV.

I don't know why he doesn't just buy the music, scan the sheets, and print copies at leisure.

Re:Surprised it took this long... (1)

Shadow99_1 (86250) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206862)

Oh my god! You remember Lyrics.ch to! That was a very dark day back when they shut it down. It took quite awhile for another site to host nearly as many lyrics... At least a year or two... I have been wonderign myself why they haven't acted since then...

Neat factoid (2, Interesting)

ZeppelinChild (830938) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206707)

I was just reading about when the Beatles put out Sgt. Pepper and wanted to put the lyrics on the back of the sleeve. I'm of the (80's) generation where lyrics always come with the record, but apparently that wasn't something that happened at all back then - EMI were very reluctant to print the lyrics, thinking it would severely cut down on sheet music sales from which they would get a royalty. Anyway, remember in the (bad old) days, when people would compile lyrics on personal homepages? Now whenever I do a google search I get umpteen specialized lyric sites, often who don't even HAVE the lyrics (just the song listed with no real link) and way too much javascript.

Who Cares? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206711)

His product wasn't open source. Slashdot you have fallen.

Re:Who Cares? (1)

NoxNoctis (936876) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206748)

While pearLyrics was not open source, it was free. Slashdot has covered the happenings of many non-free software items (can you say Windows?). I see this as very relevant.

Tin foil hat - OFF TOPIC (-1, Offtopic)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206717)

Does anyone know a site with designs for tin foil hats? I've for my tin foil and looking for an intresting design now, but google isn't helping.. so help me slashdot!

Re:Tin foil hat - OFF TOPIC (1)

Ahnteis (746045) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206771)

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ [zapatopi.net]

Note the instructions to avoid commercially produced tinfoil beanies!

Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206726)

So when can Google expect a cease-and-desist letter?

Warner/Chapell music should get proper balls and go for someone bigger, this is just pathetic.

cover bands (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206729)



yeah lets make it harder for cover bands to cover songs let alone regular people from understanding the message. Yhat way we can just string random words together with a crappy 4/4 beat and a repetative melody and mass sell crap you our consumers coz they will buy anything if we advertise it 24/7....see Brittany spears ,stock aitken and waterhouse for clues on this process...

yet another way to control and destroy culture....folk music was the evolvement of other tunes and melodies with new words....you cant sample, you cant get lyrics, you cant record music off the radio you cant share music, you cant do anything really without fear of "the man" which of course is what making music is all about...fear, conflict & free expression all the things that the music distributers want to stop.... it may get to the stage where you cant actually be allowed to sing along with the tunes for fear of retribution....

music is there to be enjoyed not billed for LEARN YOUR FUCKING INDUSTRY

More reasons to end copyright (4, Insightful)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206730)

Copyright is, at its most basic, the monopoly to use force to control a non-physical "thing." Before copyright racketeering, we had ten thousand years of art, music and creation. Today marketable art is more and more in the hands of those who can not produce. Where 7 years of legal force might be ok, no law offering power ever stays reasonable.

The web is ending our need to copyright, as enforcing it will soon be impossible. BitTorrent is getting replaced with third party proxies so information stores can;t be traced. Small bands that give away their music are seeing increased sales of show tickets and merchandise. Old Brick and mortar retailers can't compete with eBay and Amazon, and the used market always offers the same art for less.

Here's the basis for the end of copyright: the free market. The laws of supply and demand say anything for sale with an unlimited supply is worthless. Art is worthless -- the profit comes from how you package it (live versus CD) and what you offer as a value added incentive.

Re:More reasons to end copyright (1)

black mariah (654971) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206821)

Shut. The fuck. Up.

More reasons to mindlessly rant. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206822)

*blah!*blah!*copyright should die*blah!*blah!*I have this new idea*blah!*blah!*I've never created anything in my life*blah!*blah!*I never took economics*blah!*blah!*slashdot is the fox news of the internet*blah!*blah!*

Don't you guys ever get tired of hearing yourselves? Your understanding of the world comes from slashdot, and it shows. No matter how many gazillion times IP has been on this forum, there's always someone to repeat the party line.

For a more (+5) insightful discussion on IP from people who actually understand how the world works (and don't repeat the same stuff over and over) I recommend Kuroshin.

Re:More reasons to end copyright (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206849)

Copyright, in it's original form, was meant to allow an artist to control his work for a very short period of time--seven years, like you said--in order to profit for it so that artists could make a living doing what they do best. It's intended to promote creativity because it means an artist can earn a stable living on his/her work for a period before it reverts to public domain. The current version of copyright law has been twisted into something that goes directly against the original spirit of the law, and rather than promoting creativity it squelches it by allowing giant corporations with absolutely no hand in the creative process to control an artists work for a positively absurd 90 years.

PHP: CREATED BY FAG JEWS, LOVED BY DIRTY NEGEROS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206734)


ANY TRUE HUMAN BEING (READ: WHITE PERSON) WOULD NEVER WRITE SOFTWARE IN SUCH A NIGGARDLY LANGUAGE! ANYONE WHO CREATES SOFTWARE IN SAID LANGUAGE IS A RACE TRAITOR! GET RID OF YOUR NIGGARDNESS! DROP THE KIKESPEAK! ABOLISH THIS ANTI-HUMAN FAGGOT COMPUTER LANGUAGE AT ALL COSTS! TELL ME, WHITEMAN: WHAT DO YOU PROGRAM IN???

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Jimi Hendrix Kissing Guys (0, Redundant)

the.Ceph (863988) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206758)

I believe in a Jimi Hendrix biography released not too long ago it talked about gay tendencies he had, meaning a world where Jimi Hendrix kisses guys would be the world that is real.

WikiLyrics (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14206773)

Every lyrics site I find is loaded full of ads, and I think they all steal from each other. Why isn't there a wikilyrics site?

Adding to metadata... (1)

torokun (148213) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206803)


If it adds them to some mp3 metadata, it has to copy them. That's copyright infringement if the lyrics are copyrighted.

Steely Dan? (1)

stavromueller (934803) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206804)

Music should be heard and not understood... you're talking about Steely Dan, right?

And history repeats itself... (5, Interesting)

John Whitley (6067) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206808)

Some of you here may remember the Vivarin Lyrics Server, the story of which is told here. [stereopsis.com]

Some of the details of Vivarin's story are *very* interesting. The overall arc is similar to pearLyrics: a new search tool for lyrics is created, then eventually cease-and-desisted. But many of the details, and the early internet era in which they occured, make for a good read.

It's sad, even pathetic, that in all these years the RIAA and its member companies haven't gotten even the least bit of clue. These sorts of search services add enourmous value. Thousands of people were able to identify and purchase music based on Vivarin's services ("what is that song, I remember a few words..?"). Heck, Warner's laywers called to provide thanks as Vivarin had helped them to win a legal case.

I seriously hope that the RIAA's stranglehold doesn't let up before they realize that hold is around their collective neck.

OK, point? (2)

computerdude33 (890573) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206815)

The fact is, many people have downloaded pearTunes (myself included), and could just redistribute the program via BitTorrent. You can't fully stop an application like this.

Is it about sheet music sales? (1)

Gorimek (61128) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206820)

I assume it's for the same reason they want sites with chords and/or notes for songs off the net, which is that it would affect sales of sheet music.

For chords etc, that is definitely true. I wouldn't buy any if I could get the same thing online. For the texts I think it's much less valid, but it probably has some small effect.

Dang! (4, Funny)

ChePibe (882378) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206853)

Now I'll NEVER figure out what Kurt Cobain was saying!

The RIAA doesn't want you to own it (2, Insightful)

rgm3 (530335) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206854)

It's because the lyrics are a piece of the song. True, a tiny piece, but the RIAA is fighting for a world where you have to pay for each time you experience the song, based on their definition of experience wrapped by their DRM. They figure they paid the artist off, they own it now, and you can't know about it or listen to it unless you pony up the cash! Then it'll work for 6 months, and your subscription will expire, HA! Whoops, you've figured out how to transfer your iTunes songs and videos anonymously to a new Blue-Ray disc and make a copy for your friend? We'll take you to court!

Thanks for shopping RIAA.

amaroK (4, Informative)

Brent Spiner (919505) | more than 8 years ago | (#14206867)

I'm suprised no one has mentioned amaroK [kde.org] . It has a pretty cool built in feature that looks up lyrics, a band's Wikipedia page, and other neat stuff. They just came out with a new version too.

I don't think there is an OS X native version, but it can be compiled with Fink. Other than the fact that you can't buy music I like it better than iTunes.
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