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Mozilla Thunderbird Gets Firefox-style Tabs

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the now-if-they-can-make-lattes-i'll-be-set dept.

Mozilla 203

daria42 writes "A developer has added tabbed browsing of e-mail messages to Mozilla's Thunderbird e-mail client, mimicking one of the most popular features of the Firefox and Opera Web browsers." From the article: "It is unlikely the feature will be found in Mozilla's imminent release of Thunderbird 1.5 -- currently in testing -- but software developer Myk Melez has put test versions of Thunderbird online with the tabbed browsing feature included. However, there are doubts over the suitability of these downloads for production use as they are based on bleeding-edge 'unofficial' code. "

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Interesting (5, Funny)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210207)

Hey, if you drink enough thunderbird, everything has tabs, man...

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210344)

lol.

+6 funnay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbird_(wine) [wikipedia.org] if you dont get the joke.

Re:Interesting (-1, Offtopic)

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Cached version of page (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210208)

Link [cob-web.org]

OH BOY! (5, Funny)

utexaspunk (527541) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210217)

It's Lotus Notes! *shudder*

Re:OH BOY! (4, Funny)

millahtime (710421) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210237)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ! Not Lotus Notes.

I have used many email clients including the Microsofties out there and Lotus is the only one to give me night mares. Terrible Night Mares.

Re:OH BOY! (3, Funny)

Xarius (691264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210330)

Lotus is the only one to give me night mares. Terrible Night Mares.

I'd use Lotus if it gave me nocturnal horses, they'd fetch a pretty penny ;)

Re:OH BOY! (1)

protocol420 (758109) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210887)

HAHAH you're so funny. JKJK :-P

Re:OH BOY! (2, Insightful)

Zach978 (98911) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210397)

Why can't IBM just use standard widgets and standard look and feel? It's reallllly ugly, and it's realllly slow.

Re:OH BOY! (1)

rxmd (205533) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210933)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !
Anakin?



ps: your post a bit difficult to quote because it contains so many caps that the lameness filter complains about me yelling while, ironically enough, i'm actually only quoting someone else's yell.

Not the right name (1)

doublem (118724) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210389)

Don't you mean "Bloatus Goats?"

Re:OH BOY! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210426)

Gee thats funny.. Lotus is bad but MS has been playing catch up to it for the past 5 years. I have no issues with notes other than its dependence on java.

Re:OH BOY! (1)

fury88 (905473) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210551)

Funny you should say that. Our company migrated off of Lotus Notes last year and that was the only feature I really liked about Notes. It makes it SO much easier to organize.

Re:OH BOY! (4, Insightful)

Solder Fumes (797270) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210869)

I used Lotus Notes for years at my last job. At my current job, we use Outlook.

Lotus Notes. Is. BETTER!

Who cares if it looks a little ugly, there are some themes you can skin it with too. If you're thinking about the workspaces with big square icons, that's now a legacy feature: Notes now uses a sidebar with essentially what are folders.

But the real meat is in usability. Maybe it takes a little getting used to, but the interface actually gets pretty efficient when you've used it for a while. Lotus Notes is also 100 times better for mobile users, or even remote users on slow VPN connections. Ever tried to use Outlook remotely? You can be editing an email and the editor will freeze every couple minutes, for a minute or two, while the client check for new mail. Lotus Notes doesn't lock up your client when a connection is lost, and Replication has always been handled well.

Lotus Notes is much more flexible than Outlook, too. We had thousands of forms and applications in Notes, making it easy to do things like get a production report or submit change requests and purchase orders. It's easy to keep them organized and see who did what, and when. I spent several million dollars of company money through that system. Maybe you can set a similar system up in Outlook, I don't know, but at least where I now work no one has bothered. Everything is done via Word documents and no one knows what the most recent version is, and they all look different.

I've used both, and my opinion is that for the users, if you just want to get work done, Notes does the job. Maybe Outlook is easier for you IT administrators to set up, but a few hours of YOUR time is nothing compared to a few hours of everyone in the company's time. I seriously waste time now waiting for Outlook to do something and creating new forms or hunting down a document in a folder somewhere.

Why? (4, Interesting)

patio11 (857072) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210221)

I'm all for new features but can't really see a use case for this one. You can already switch between emails at the touch of a button, and unlike modern internet browsing you're almost working with multiple mail windows at once (and with email I presume you'd never tab over to another screen while waiting for a page to render, which is one of the main attractions of tabs for me). There also isn't a compelling need to auto-launch your favorite twelve emails when you open Thunderbird so you can, uh, re-read them again, like you would add your news sites to a tab-group in a browser.

Following threads is easier (5, Informative)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210320)

We have Lotus Notes at work. It is not uncommon for me to have more than two messages open at once, each under its own tab. Even my reply is under its own tab. Another example of a good use, I am reading an involved message and an urgent one comes to my attention. Open the new one in its tab and leaving the other's display undisturbed.

Bringing OSS applications up to the level of current business applications is key to gaining acceptance. As with any other feature it should be selectable. Now there are many OSS packages that have features I would love to see in the commercial applications I use by feature movement is much easier one way than the other.

Re:Following threads is easier (2, Interesting)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210446)

We have Lotus Notes at work...Bringing OSS applications up to the level of current business applications is key to gaining acceptance.

Lotus Notes is hardly the model of current business applications. If you want to model a business app, clone Outlook (which doesn't feature tabs).

As with any other feature it should be selectable.

This is a double edged sword - users really don't like when the interface is inconsistent (be it jumping between machines, or accidentally toggling a setting), especially when it's accidentally toggled - you know they're trying to hit a shortcut key and hit the wrong thing, and suddenly the entire layout is screwed because they accidentally enabled/disabled something.

90% of the time when there is a "choice", the designers should have had the balls to save everyone the trouble and just picked one model. Less code, more consistency, and a committment to that decision. Not a bunch of half-hearted, poorly-implemented options to give users the impression that any failure is just that they haven't toggled all of the checkboxes properly.

Re:Following threads is easier (2, Interesting)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210537)

If you want to model a business app, clone Outlook (which doesn't feature tabs)......90% of the time when there is a "choice", the designers should have had the balls to save everyone the trouble and just picked one model.

While I agree Outlook is a nice user-friendly app (and MUCH better than Notes IMO), I don't see the above statements to be all that consistant. Outlook probably has more "choices" than just about any basic app out there. Now there are certainly other apps with more, but trying to think of "generic" apps used by huge numbers of people I don't know if I can think of any others which are more customizable, have more options, etc.

Re:Following threads is easier (2, Insightful)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210595)

I don't see the above statements to be all that consistant

The two statements weren't intended to be consistent - Outlook is, by far, the most prevalent email client, and it is usually detrimental to the experience when the interface is customizable. One can achieve the former in spite of the latter.

In Outlook's case the interface is used in a "stock" manner by the overwhelming majority of users, and Outlook makes changes "difficult" enough that it isn't something you normally do accidentally (the kind where you go "WTF? How did that get there"). I just had one of those experiences with Opera, humorously - I was trying to paste some text, but hit some unknown keyboard shortcut and suddenly it switched to "User Style" mode, with an abhorrent layout. Any possible shortcuts didn't revert it back, so I had to go searching through the menus to determine what the deal was. Worse it was sticky, so I couldn't just close and restart.

Re:Following threads is easier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14211042)

That's horrible, changes like that should not by default have shortcuts (I'd allow them to be assigned shortcuts, someone always finds a use for them), and making it stick, without asking? Stupid, stupid.

but it's Lotus Notes (1)

dpilot (134227) | more than 8 years ago | (#14211052)

Therefore it can't possibly be any good. We need Yet Another OSS Project to enumerate each feature in Lotus Notes to make sure mainstream OSS remains free of them. Come to think of it, Notes has address typeahead, and so does Mozilla. We'd better go purge that one, QUICKLY!

Re:Why? (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210403)

I'm all for new features but can't really see a use case for this one.

Right on the money, and I was going to post exactly the same thing (no need now...well except a "I Agree!" post). Tabs are a great idea for concurrent work, primarily when you want to isolate types of work (e.g. I don't want the 10 webpages I have open regarding Firefox extensions to fill up my taskbar -- I segregate those in my mind to "web research", all gathered together with FF tabs).

Re:Why? (1)

afd8856 (700296) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210528)

That app you have in your signature is really cool! ;) Thanks. I'm gonna use it just now to skin a Plone.

Re:Why? (5, Interesting)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210404)

Even in GMail, with its excellent thread support, I sometimes find I want more than one email easily accessible.

Usually, it's when I'm composing a message containing a composite of information from a number of past emails. Happens most when I'm coordinating between different people.

Re:Why? (1, Insightful)

cosam (460350) | more than 8 years ago | (#14211002)

I'm also struggling to find a use for this feature, but I don't see any reason why not to include things like this future releases. Plenty of users obviously like this way of working, and they should be able to if they so desire. Just as with Firefox, you still need to do something "extra" to open a tab, whether that be right-clicking or setting some configuration option to use tabs by default. Ultimately, it's all about giving the user a choice which, for me, is what free software is all about.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14211004)

Completely useless.

Welcome to Lotus Notes (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210238)

Notes had it since 1988??

Re:Welcome to Lotus Notes (2, Interesting)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210373)

Yes, Lotus Notes had it. Lotus notes also had a lot of things. Like syphillis. It's a good feature - the fact that it was pioneered on a stupid, stupid program is beside the point.

I'm just wondering when better newsgroup browsing is coming. Last time I used T-bird for newsgroups I found it just as cumbersome as OE.

Looks out of place (5, Informative)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210239)

From the article it looks like they have replaced the preview pane with tabbed email views.

That looks like it would be confusing - especially if the list above doesn't tally with which email is visible.

I cannot quite see how this would help (tabbed browsing is easy to see the benefits), tabs for the sake of tabs seems pointless.

Re:Looks out of place (3, Interesting)

millahtime (710421) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210255)

I cannot quite see how this would help (tabbed browsing is easy to see the benefits), tabs for the sake of tabs seems pointless.

After using Lotus (not by choice) I have grown quite fond of tabbed emails. It can be a real convienance when you need to have several emails open and don't want new windows for each as it will get cluttery. Just like with many web pages when it was a pretabed browsing world.

Re:Looks out of place (2, Interesting)

kermitthefrog917 (903403) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210597)

Why can't people spend drop lame not-so-useful projects like these for something more userful... Project Lightning has gotten nowhere... (Combining Mozilla Calender into Thunderbird)
I know many people who would switch over to full mozilla if they weren't so tied down to their outlook calender...

Lotus Notes (4, Informative)

tscheez (71929) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210241)

Notes has had tabs for a very long time. It's nice to see that other people think that is a usefull feature.

Re:Lotus Notes (1)

WiFiBro (784621) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210892)

Ok Notes-lovers, so did Eudora, and like Thunderbird, Pegasus opens a window for every mail you wish to double-click, but then also adds them to the Windows list.

It's not what I was waiting for in TB, i was hoping for a richer search, easier filtering, reorganizable maps.

Obligatory Opera (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210250)

You can already do this with Opera.

Tabs... for email... hmmm (2, Interesting)

Philosinfinity (726949) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210262)

Maybe I just don't get it. Tabs are great for web browsing because it allows you to organize sites withing tabs within windows like a heirarchy. Emails are a bit different. I can already dump the actual items into a folder to do the same kind of sorting. Previewing the messages allows me to quickly find what I am looking for without opening multiple items.

The only thing I would like to se (and it is prolly there, but I just haven't looked for it) is heirarchical email display. Instead of showing me messages, show me entire threads as a single entity. Also, clean it up and make it look nice. That would be a greater asset.

Re:Tabs... for email... hmmm (4, Informative)

technothrasher (689062) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210332)

The only thing I would like to se (and it is prolly there, but I just haven't looked for it) is heirarchical email display.


Yup, already there. "View | Sort By | Threaded"

Re:Tabs... for email... hmmm (2, Informative)

Burpmaster (598437) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210584)

The only thing I would like to se (and it is prolly there, but I just haven't looked for it) is heirarchical email display.
Yup, already there. "View | Sort By | Threaded"

And set the inbox as your "sent mail" folder.

Re:Tabs... for email... hmmm (1)

hswerdfe (569925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210675)

Problem:
it only puts emails from the current Folder int the thread hierarchy.

Is there to get it to display a merged hierarchy of both my "In box" and my "Sent" folder?

maybe some kind of virtual folder, or something?

Re:Tabs... for email... hmmm (1)

leppi (207894) | more than 8 years ago | (#14211088)

Well, of course this won't retroactively fix your "inbox", but the traditional way to do this is to Bcc: your email address -- Works very well.

Single-window applications! (1)

MS-06FZ (832329) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210760)

I think the main reason I might find it useful (and this depends on how they've implemented tabs) is because I don't like having to open multiple windows in most applications. In Pine (which I still use at home) there are no "new windows" of course, the app's UI has multiple states - top menu, folder list, folder index, message view - and I navigate between those as needed. I personally find that to be neater than opening new windows all the time. Tabs offer similar possibilities.

one use (5, Interesting)

harmanjd (414263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210269)

One Use I could see for this (maybe) is with an rss feed or newsgroup reader. You could have each topic in the rss feed open in a seperate tab. For a newsgroup, you could get each thread in a seperate tab.

But for regular email? I don't open multiple email windows in thunderbird and never really had a desire to. So why would I need tabs?

Re:one use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210319)

Are you subscribed to any mailing lists? If so, what's the difference from a newsgroup?

Nice work. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210271)

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Email tabs == good (4, Interesting)

digidave (259925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210288)

There are only two comments above my threshold right now and both are negative, however, if you've tried the Opera email client you will know that tabs are a good thing. Email tabs are not quite as useful as web browser tabs, but they are equally as good as file manager tabs (Konqueror, anyone?).

Since I've switched from Opera to Kmail for my email it's the one thing I've missed. Don't knock it until you try it. With any luck, Thunderbird tabs will be implemented as well as Opera tabs.

Re:Email tabs == good (4, Insightful)

digidave (259925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210369)

Now that I've taken a closer look at Thunderbird's tabs I will offer my opinion: they are doing it wrong. Tabs should replace all windows, but Thunderbird's tabs seem to only allow tabbing through the small email preview box.

What I'd like to see is a fully tabbed interface where the address book would open in a tab, an integrated Sunbird calendar would open in another tab (if Sunbird is installed), each email would open in their own tabs, etc.

Simply tabbing through previews seems like a half-assed way to do it. It still looks moderately useful at the expense of having an inconsistent interface.

Re:Email tabs == good (1)

CaptnMArk (9003) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210570)

So you are saying you don't need tabs at all and will be happy just with maximized windows and taskbar-on-top.

I kinda agree.

Re:Email tabs == good (1)

Haeleth (414428) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210766)

So you are saying you don't need tabs at all and will be happy just with maximized windows and taskbar-on-top.

Only if you only ever have one application open at a time.

(Or one per desktop, if you're a virtual-desktop type.)

Re:Email tabs == good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210660)

Actually, the only time I use anything other than the preview window is when I want to keep an email open while I look at another one. Using tabs in the preview window instead might make this unnecessary (though there still might be times when actually comparing things side-by-side would be useful)

Extension (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210289)

Any plans to release this as an extension?

What is so great about tabbed browsers? (-1, Flamebait)

ATeamMrT (935933) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210295)

Why not have a second IE window open? At the bottom of windows you have the taskbar, you can tab from there. And when you hold the pointer over the application taskbar in windows, it will tell you what website that tab is. With Firefox browser tabs, do you get that same function, where you can put the arrow over the tab and it expands to tell you the website?

There is one reason I will not use Firefox, and that is because zonealarm has started going nuts since about Firefox 1.3. Before, it just wanted permission to access the internet. Now it wants to access the trusted zone too. Something stinks to me, why the extra permission?

Plus, with windows IE, I have a billion dollar company standing behind my product. Who can I complain to if Firefox screws me. I know the open source people will rip me a new one and mod me down, but I trust money and closed code. Firefox is getting large enough that hackers will start targeting them as much as IE.

Re:What is so great about tabbed browsers? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210334)

Who can I complain to if Firefox screws me

Do you really think that you can complain to MS when IE screws you?
The best of luck, my poor deluded friend.

Re:What is so great about tabbed browsers? (2, Insightful)

Broege (626045) | more than 8 years ago | (#14211249)

Well, he can complain to MS :)
Whether the complaint will be thrown to the garbage or positively processed is a different matter.

Re:What is so great about tabbed browsers? (3, Insightful)

rcotran (653676) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210338)

hehe

You think you can complain to Microsoft and they will actually DO something about it? They haven't had a new browser in 5 years. What makes you think they'll listen to your complaints and make a move?

Mozilla is an open-source product with huge community support. You're MUCH more likely to get a change-request addressed or bug-report fixed in Firefox than you are with Internet Explorer.

Re:What is so great about tabbed browsers? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210358)

OMG... Looks like people have been bending over and grabbing their ankles for so long, they actually mistaken it for true love!

Re:What is so great about tabbed browsers? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210395)

Let me just refer to the checklist here...

X - Bashing Firefox and praising IE
X - Tabbed browsing is unnecessary
X - Firefox sucks because of some other application
X - I can sue Microsoft if something goes wrong
X - Closed source better than open source
0 - Posted anonymously

5/6...not a bad troll! Bravo, submitter. Next time try anonymous to seal the deal.

Re:What is so great about tabbed browsers? (2, Interesting)

dalutong (260603) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210430)

There are different reasons for tabs:

1) so you can centralize your web-browsing experience. i.e. so browsing doesn't take up your entire taskbar and you can easily switch to your (tabbed) IM window, etc. Just like virtual desktops/workspaces. Email is on workspace 2, browsing/IM on workspace 1, music on workspace 3, work on workspace 4. (I use them in a square so email is above work, so the left column is play and the right is work.)

2) Some people consider tabs like a pile -- you go to news.google.com and you middle-click to open all of the stories you'd like to read in tabs. that way you don't have to bother with them (since a new tab loads in the background) and they are ready for you when you are finished with the first article and you close that tab.

I mix the two. I rarely have more than one browser window open, unless a second (or third) window is meant for an explicit purpose -- like if i'm researching a particular topic. And I'm glad I use firefox. I currently have about 25 tabs open. I wouldn't want to have to deal with that many windows.

And to answer one of your questions, when you hover over a tab it tells you the title of the website. This isn't needed, though, when you don't have so many that you can still read the title in the tab.

And as for a multi-billion dollar company backing it? Then I guess you never use new products from anything but the most well-established companies.

A parallel can be drawn with GNU/linux systems. When I started using linux in 1996 there were already companies supporting it. I have no doubt that as corperations adopt gecko-based solutions they will either start offering support themselves or some other kind of support structure will pop up.

I think you're thinking about free software falsely, though. I trust popular free software because I trust that there is a large enough section of the tech-proficient population that is good that I can trust them to poke through the code. The population that gets to deal with IE's code is much smaller, so the chance of there being a decently sized ethical population among them is much smaller.

Re:What is so great about tabbed browsers? (3, Insightful)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210645)

Plus, with windows IE, I have a billion dollar company standing behind my product. Who can I complain to if Firefox screws me.

You're so right. I mean, over the last five years, the billion dollar company has released so many updates to its browser, while Firefox has more or less been standing still. Clearly, the billion dollar company cared more about their product than those hippies at Mozilla. In fact, I care about IE as much as Microsoft does.

Whining without patching == stupid (1)

DanTheLewis (742271) | more than 8 years ago | (#14211033)

Not to mention that you can write your own patch if you're upset with Firefox, but you can stick your thumb up your butt if you're upset with IE.

Good idea! (3, Interesting)

beforewisdom (729725) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210340)

This is a good idea. I often finding myself futzing with windows so I can display two emails at the same time.

Now, if you could use thunderbird to filter out a person in usenet and replies to his post without taking out the entire thread, that would be cool too.

Re:Good idea! (1)

MacJedi (173) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210479)

I often finding myself futzing with windows so I can display two emails at the same time.

As do I, but it is not clear to me how tabbed email solves this problem...

Re:Good idea! (1)

beforewisdom (729725) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210592)

As with web pages, it is easier to click a tab to go back and forth between multiple emails rather then moving windows around

GMail is the future! (3, Informative)

Chalex (71702) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210341)

I like Thunderbird. But ever since those guys from Google made GMail, I can't imagine being tied to a desktop mail client.

I believe a web-based interface accessible from anywhere is the inevitable winner in e-mail clients. Just like Linux will inevitably be on all computers, eventually.

Re:GMail is the future! (1)

CdBee (742846) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210447)

Gmail-or-similar + POP-client as backup is the future. That way you have the ability to keep a local message-store for offline periods (very useful on a laptop)

I don't like trusting anyone to back up my data for me - I prefer to do that myself. Gmail is the backup for my POP3 inbox and my POP3 inbox is the backup for gmail.

Re:GMail is the future! (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210472)

I love GMail. But once I have a decent internet connection at home, I'm switching back to POP3 access there, and Google's webmail access everywhere else.

If/when Google adds POP3 and/or IMAP support for accesing other email accounts, I'll be really happy. It's the next logical step if they want to target the business world's infatuation with Outlook+Exchange.

Re:GMail is the future! (2, Insightful)

daranz (914716) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210531)

Personally, I dislike webmail interfaces.

There are many reasons for that. Some of them being that I have several email accounts, and an email client checks all my email faster than I'd check it manually. Another being the fact that my email client can regularly check my email without me paying any attention to it, and notify me if I have new messages (I know that there's gmail notifier, and stuff, but again, gmail is not all I use). Also, downloading messages via POP3 is a more viable option than using webmail on non-standard platforms, such as PDAs.

There are several more reasons, but my point is, I still see a lot of use for mail clients, and I don't see them going anytime soon.

Re:GMail is the future! (1)

Hugonz (20064) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210748)

MMMMM I'm not tied. I have IMAP in my server and I check my email using Thunderbird. When on the road I use SqurrelMail for checking and sending my email.

And you won't have t do any server admin for this... mainstream hosting like Dreamhost have it already.

Hugo

Re:GMail is the future! (1)

cynyr (703126) | more than 8 years ago | (#14211180)

i would use g-mail more if i wasn't tied to a desktop app to use it... yes i kno wthey have a pop server but IMAP just seems to work better in my experance.

Cannot Find Server / DNS Error while using IE (0, Redundant)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210345)

I have clicked on the link 5 separate times to no avail, is this some kind of conspiracy to get me to use Firefox?

Re:Cannot Find Server / DNS Error while using IE (2, Informative)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210494)

Browser identification only happens once an HTTP connection has been made. If you're not connecting to the server, it's not because of which browser you're using.

More likely, it's slashdotted and configured to reject connections when under too high a load. :)

tabs? bleh (1)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210355)

tabs are sort of redundant since the message headers are right there in the top half for selecting, i can understand tabs in a browser but not an email client, i hope it can be turned off or disabled if it is built-in or just optional as an extention...

Re:tabs? bleh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210435)

You obviously don't have many simultaneous message threads to deal with, or have too much time. Having tabbed email will certainly make my business email handling a *lot* less time consuming.

Thunderbird's message summary (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210362)

The screen shot reminded me of an issue I have with Thunderbird's UI. That message summary area in Thunderbird 1.0 (subject, from and date) is a bit of pain. It's rather too limited. Clicking on the plus to expand it shows all headers, which can often take the height of the screen! I really want to see all of the recipients, be they to:, cc: or bcc:. I also want to see email addresses there. Does anybody know if this can be configured to show this?

Re:Thunderbird's message summary (1)

Kn0w1 (99910) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210648)

I found that annoying too until one day I found that you can "configure" this by selecting View (menu) -> Headers -> All/Normal. Choosing "Normal", just expands to show the Subject:, From:, Reply-To:, Date:, To:, Cc:, Bcc:. "All" of course give you All the Headers which can take up half/most/all of the message window as you've described.

Re:Thunderbird's message summary (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210727)

Thanks!

Thunderbird wish-list... (0, Offtopic)

shic (309152) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210364)

1. Please, please, please can we get an updatable centralised (LDAP?) address book?
2. I wish I could configure Thunderbird to refresh all my Imap folders periodically? I've dozens and without selecting each in turn they sometimes don't refresh with new mails delivered to a folder.
3. I love the ease with which I can select between multiple sending email addresses - but I'd also like to be able to associate a particular email address with a particular destination address. This would make using the correct email address less error prone when posting to mailing lists... as well as avoiding confusing contacts who may only recognise me when I wear a specific "hat"

Re:Thunderbird wish-list... (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210374)

For point 2, just right click on the folder you want to be checked, select "properties" and select "Check this folder for new messages".

Re:Thunderbird wish-list... (1)

shic (309152) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210526)

For point 2, just right click on the folder you want to be checked, select "properties" and select "Check this folder for new messages".

Good call! Thanks... I'd never found that - it isn't an option on Inbox, so I'd not looked elsewhere.

Re:Thunderbird wish-list... (1)

TheTimoo (658067) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210739)

There is also: mail.check_all_imap_folders_for_new in your user.js (and this neat extensions which helps you do it about:config [mozilla.org]

Re:Thunderbird wish-list... (1)

British (51765) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210460)

Let me add..

4. Support for more attatchment types, ie what FreeAgent is best known for, so I can grab dem binaries on newsgroups. Thunderbird emulates Outlook Express a little TOO well, right down to the incredibly limited functionality for file encoding types seen on Usenet. I can't stand to use FreeAgent for it is WAY too complicated for a freakin' newsreader.

5. Remember my dang password if the news server I'm on(comcast's forgotten news server) out of the blue to ask me for my un/pw again. If it remembers the wrong password, I'll just erase and re-type it in. but pre-fill it out for me, please? Firefox does.

6. A useable 1-click add to killfile for usenet cooks?

Vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210399)

We might see this innvotive feature in Outlook for Vista since they had thought of it first.

Yeeees! (3, Informative)

jimwelch (309748) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210400)

One of the big items I miss at home. While the Lotus system sucks big time at work, (poor IT management) this is one of the few items that I love about Lotus.

After using linux for over ten years, Mozilla is the best thing that happened to FOSS.

Thunderbird Wishlist (4, Interesting)

roubles (716740) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210443)

I wish they'd get the basic features developed first - before implementing all this gold plating. I still cannot filter imap messages based on text in the body. I can do this with outlook, evolution, pine, to name a few ...

Clients (2, Informative)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210450)

I use Gmail. Is there any reason I should go to the effort of configuring Thunderbird to pop3 into my Gmail account when the webmail interface is good enough? I used to use Thunderbird to post to Usenet, but Google is better for that too - it's easier to see replies to your posts using Google than Thunderbird (where there's apparantly no way of doing this except for clicking on your `sent` folder, then looking at the subject line and Usenet group, then locating those, looking for your post.... then back to your sent folder to start the whole process again for your second post etc etc. Google will send you an email when a string occurs in a post to Usenet, and the email contains a link to the post - couldn't be simpler).

Also, it's tedious to configure Thunderbird to talk to an ISP - you have to fuck about with port numbers and user names etc and I frequently forget whether username (for instance) includes or excludes the part of my email address left of the @.

Re:Clients (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210522)

Also, it's tedious to configure Thunderbird to talk to an ISP - you have to fuck about with port numbers and user names etc and I frequently forget whether username (for instance) includes or excludes the part of my email address left of the @.

Uhm...that's normal for standalone email apps. When I was a phone tech at an ISP, I had to walk people through that process for Outlook, Outlook Express, Netscape 4, Mozilla, Mozilla Thunderbird...for one account, it's not that hard.

Your problem is you're using more email addresses than you can comfortably keep track of.

Re:Clients (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210655)

I'm using email address! I'd assumed the problem was that the system was designed for people with loads at the expense of most users, who of course only have one - their own!

It seems strange that it's now common to access email from a phone, PDA, browsers at internet cafes, at work or from friends houses, and then read exactly the same emails at the same account using another piece of software! Keep it simple - use a browser! I can encrypt my email use by connecting to the Gmail server using https - how do I do that using Thunderbird? No doubt it depends on my ISP, right?

Literally the only think I miss about Thunderbird is killfiles for Usenet. Perhaps that's something easily addressed with an extension to either Firefox or Google-groups.

Re:Clients (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210770)

I can encrypt my email use by connecting to the Gmail server using https - how do I do that using Thunderbird? No doubt it depends on my ISP, right?

Depends. If you're intention is to send an email that the recipient, and only the recipient, can read, you should use something like GPG [gnupg.org] . GPG is independant of your ISP.

If your intention is to only encrypt the communication between you and your ISP, then yes, you need to contact your ISP and see if they offer something like SMTP over SSL. Yeah, it's confusing to talk about. That's one reason virtually nobody does it.

Encrypting individual emails using something like GPG is the only private way to get an email from you to the recipient. The data you encrypted cannot be decrypted until it gets to your recipient. If you use something like SMTP over SSL, your data is only encrypted between you and your ISP. Once it reaches your ISP, it's decrypted and sent to its destination as plain text.

Hope that helps. Go ahead and email me if you have more questions.

Re:Clients (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#14211029)

Well, thanks - I did know that about PGP. I've not used it for a while because no-one I email can be arsed to set it up. I'd like it to be more popular - people (organisations like online banks) tend to use HTTPS where appropriate.

I'm surprised a lot of stuff isn't made easier to set up - why don't ISPs provide all the info needed to connect to them using *any* email client (except passwords) in some sort of package (xml perhaps), and then have *every* email client (especially fiddly phone and pdas which never have sensible configuration systems) simply connect to that package and use the data they need? Wouldn't that be simple? Wouldn't it take literally 30 mins to design and deploy? Do people enjoy making this sort of thing more difficult that it need be?

Can someone tell me why.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210457)

..this is front page news?

Kmail (-1, Offtopic)

datadriven (699893) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210458)

So when can I expect this feature in kmail?

Sounds good to me. (1)

aug24 (38229) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210488)

It's a simple, good idea.

Currently Thunderbird opens a new window for every email I want open (not previewed, open - I will be working with info in there for the next hour). This change makes a tabbed MDI version so they all share a window. I like this sort of thing. It reduces my screen clutter.

[Why the hell am I reading so many whinges about how this is unnecessary?!]

Justin.

Mozilla Continues To Innovate (0, Redundant)

Shakes268 (856460) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210524)

Really, talk about innovation! These guys are on the ball.

Wow! (1)

pdpTrojan (454023) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210534)

<sarcasm> This is definitive proof that OSS software is innovative! </sarcasm>

Say... What? (0, Redundant)

GuildPort (612632) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210676)

A programmer, working on an open source code base, adds tabs to a UI and it's news? lol!

How about some useful additions? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210786)

When checking mail from multiple accounts, does Thunderbird tell on the status line
  • Which account it's checking
  • How big the message download is
  • (optional)How long it will take to finish downloading it?
I use Thunderbird for mail, and I can't stand the "Receiving message: 1 of 125" at the bottom not knowing what account is being checked, and whether it's going to be there a looong time.

Re:How about some useful additions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210841)

And while they're at it, perhaps they could fix all the IMAP bugs that have been hanging around since 0.3

Tabbing in the Window Manager (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210847)

I can't help but feel that it would be more in keeping with X11 GUI design for tabbing to be a function of the window manager. No, I don't mean PWM tabs where the GUI toolkit is unaware of their existence, I mean an ICCCM-like freedesktop.org spec could be drawn up for comms between the GUI toolkit and the WM, just like other "advanced" wm functionality (shading, iconify, vdesktops, etc.)...

I'd Use Those Tabs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210849)

I'd love to have tabs and then be able to pin the tabs in place so it would reappear after restarting the app. The reason is that I often want to leave an e-mail open when I get it so I can use that as my reminder to do something or reply. I use gmail online a lot right now and I use the star feature to take care of that now.

Maybe it wouldn't turn out to be practical, but my hat goes off to the guy for trying in any case.

Screenshot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14210889)

I can't find a cache of this, and I know you can't link from slashdot to bugzilla, so copy and paste this:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=186 166 [mozilla.org]

And that's right, I am no karma whore! Biz=atch!

Eudora beat them (2, Insightful)

hkb (777908) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210891)

And the feature was annoying and cluttery. Something like the standard Outlook Express/Thunderbird setup, but with tags, is perfect.

It has been done before (1, Flamebait)

porneL (674499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14210971)

Mail client with tabs? Opera [opera.com] .

Opera opens everything in tabs, including views of mail folders, e-mail composing windows, etc. They're all saved in session as well.

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