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Song Sites Face Legal Crackdown

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the how-dare-they-post-words-online dept.

Music 537

CaptainPotato writes "According to the BBC, the Music Publishers' Association is stepping up to launch the next phase in the music industry's battle against online music. The MPA is demanding jail time for the maintainers of websites offering unlicensed song scores and lyrics. The MPA President has stated that closing websites and imposing fines is not enough, stating that by 'throw [ing]in some jail time I think we'll be a little more effective' in its crusade." We just recently reported on the pearLyrics cease-and-desist order as well.

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That makes sense (5, Insightful)

SilverspurG (844751) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218838)

"But now the internet is taking more of a bite out of sheet music and printed music sales so we're taking a more proactive stance."
Because refusing to negotiate politely with a force which has demonstrated itself as larger is always seen as proactive.

Re:That makes sense (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219021)

Larger, more organized, more motivated, better equipped...

It's not a war, it's a suicide mission

Man..... (5, Insightful)

TomHandy (578620) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218860)

Now this just seems silly. Personally at least, I can tell you that I use lyrics sites for ONE primary purpose; to be able to find a song that I heard somewhere based on its lyrics, so I can then buy it. Seriously; that's all they are really useful to me for (of course, they can also be useful just to know the words of a song, but that's something else). What POSSIBLE benefit can they see in shutting something down that has a primary use of helping people to identify and purchase their product? Really, it just seems like madness.

Yep (5, Insightful)

Kythe (4779) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218902)

Really great plan. Take out sites that are probably used by many people (I am also one) to track down songs to buy.

These guys never met a good business plan or marketing scheme they didn't want to sue out of existence. The only reason they've survived this long is that they've been the only game in town.

Artists are already discovering that they can afford home studios and to self-publish their songs online, which (as recent studies indicate) helps market the small-time bands. I'm thinking that within 10-20 years, the RIAA companies will either be defunct or will have gotten out of the business.

Indeed! (5, Informative)

th3space (531154) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219085)

A perfect example of pure self-production/self-release is the band (and arguably the 2005 Indie Darling Band of the Year*) Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! They produced/printed their own music (released by Clap Your Hands Records), sold it exclusively at shows and through their website (at a profit of 4-5 USD per disc, a figure that is considerably higher than that of what bands on majors and indies make per disc moved), got a mention in Pitchfork back in June of this year and have since exploded. Whether or not the band continues on the road of DIY/RYO remains to be seen (the only argument for joining a label in this bands case would be tour support, although that opens up a whole host of other problems/financial woes), but at least a band of merit/worth/talent has proven that you can make a splash without big money and record executives getting in the way of the artistry.

*not an actual award, but the buzz on them has been pretty stout

Re:Indeed! (2, Insightful)

jocknerd (29758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219142)

Going the DIY route, bands may actually create a new industry. The will need touring promoters and facilitators. I smell an opportunity.

Re:Yep (1)

Evan Meakyl (762695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219159)

I'm thinking that within 10-20 years, the RIAA companies will either be defunct or will have gotten out of the business or will be healthy because of biased laws and active lobbying.

Re:Man..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14218920)

They still want you to be able to do that, on their servers so they can monitor you behaviour, after giving them your email address so that they can spam you into the next century.

Re:Man..... (1)

SeanMon (929653) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218943)

I use these lyric sites for the same purpose. After I hear a song on the radio that I like, I search for whatever lyrics I can remember from the song and then I purchase the song from the iTunes Music Store. I think that it would be an excellent addition to the store if Apple supplied a "Search lyrics" option and provided song lyrics with purchased music.

Re:Man..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14219032)

I completely agree with you. I have never understood why they would possibly want to sue fans that put lyrics online. My guess is that they probably want to go after sites that have huge databases of lyrics, and are making money off the data. I would be in favor of changing copyright law so that song lyrics can be used freely for something other than in music.

I will note... (4, Insightful)

Kythe (4779) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219145)

...that it appears this group isn't the "RIAA" companies per se, but rather an organization of sheet music/lyrics publishers.

Sheet music, I can understand. But lyrics? What the hell? There are only two reasons to look up lyrics online:

1) Curiosity about that "one line" you've never been able to understand
2) Finding a certain song's name

Neither will impact business, period. In fact, both promote the song, which very likely promotes the buying of sheet music.

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've seen in relation to the copyright wars. It's the clearest example yet of companies suing "because they can" and because of a complete lack of business sense, rather than because it's in the public (or even their) interest to do so.

No one, and I mean no one, is going to shell out cash to buy lyrics. A manufacturer might as well sue customers for saying good things about their product in an online forum.

Re:Man..... (0, Troll)

lbrandy (923907) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219093)

Personally at least, I can tell you that I use lyrics sites for ONE primary purpose; to be able to find a song that I heard somewhere based on its lyrics, so I can then buy it

I think you misspelled "download".

Re:Man..... (1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219161)

I use lyrics to find the album I want to download on bittorrent.
I also happen to defecate on the star spangled banner and all over your fucking "land of the free"...

As a musician... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14218866)

As a musician i have only one thing to say:
Fuck you, music industry.

Re:As a musician... (1)

unfunk (804468) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218947)

as a Composer, I wholeheartedly agree with the afore-mentioned sentiment.

Re:As a musician... (2, Insightful)

littlecharva (924275) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218984)

I concur, and I'll bet that most of the young bands around today learned to play guitar the same way I did: by downloading tab from the internet.

Re:As a musician... (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219040)

me meee I did that. Though everyone in my band plays the guitar too so I play drums now :) These guys wont be happy until they have all the money in the world, and then they'll probably take away our hearts for having the same BPM as some of their songs..

Re:As a musician... (1)

Havenwar (867124) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219070)

As a listener I can say that it is well fucked already.

What, can't you see it? The music industry with a grumpy fresh woken smile and that "bedroom hair" and all? Perhaps it has just not really noticed how properly focked it is.

And why can I so boldly proclaim the downfall of the music industry? Because sooner or later, history tells us, all companies that refuse to adopt to modern techniques and more importantly to the needs and wants of their modern customers, will fall... and fall hard.

Smaller companies pop up, offer better service, and down come the giants.

Re:As a musician... (1)

cryfreedomlove (929828) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219138)

Well then, Havenware. What's stopping you? I'm assuming that your better service, based on free everything, will be launched by you any day now. I can't wait.

When lyrics are outlawed... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14218871)

...only outlaws will sing.

Idiots (1, Insightful)

jocknerd (29758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218877)

Nothing more to say.

One question: (3, Funny)

Vengeance (46019) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218879)

Who in the HELL ever buys sheet music for lyrics?



Didn't think so.

Re:One question: (1)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219020)

I'm not a native English speaker, so sometimes I need to read lyrics just to understand a song.

Having said that, I don't think lyrics are usefull WITHOUT the song itself. So if I download lyrics it means I've already bought this song. And there is no way I'm going to buy lyrics separately.

Re:One question: (4, Funny)

Vengeance (46019) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219064)

Hehe. Being a native speaker of English doesn't necessarily mean that one can understand the lyrics for any given song!

Re:One question: (1)

mebob (57853) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219077)

This is very true. Most of the time nothing more than a refernce when learning or playing the music. Most poeple looking up lyrics sure as hell aren't doing so they can perform the song. I'm a resonable person, but if you want me to like you bands and buy thier CD's and merchendise stop alienating me!!! It's thing like this that have made millions decide that stealing music isn't really wrong.

Re:One question: (2)

jcorno (889560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219132)

Music classes and choirs. My high school choir did a great rendition of "Fuck the Police." There wasn't a dry eye in the house.

Online music sites are crippled with annoyances (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14218880)

I say this will have good results in addition to the usual bad effects.

Online music sites are full of popups and trojans and what not. They have become nothing but a way of infecting computers with spyware.

Don't talk about smart people. Smart people use IRC or "Us...t" to download their music. Not the web. The only effect this will have is that the spyware spreading bastards will have to close shop.

SSSSH!! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14218990)

Quoth Anony Coward: "Smart people use IRC or "Us...t"

SSSH!! There aren't very many of us and we would like to keep it that way. If you are in the know, good. But don't spread it. kthnx.

BTW, good point about the popups and stuff on music sites. Whoever modded parent troll needs to rethink his groupthink.

Maybe I listen to too much rap but... (5, Insightful)

Afecks (899057) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218883)

I fail to see how protecting lyrics is a big deal when most songs consist of "oooh", "uhh" and "yeah". Can you really copyright grunts?

Lawsuits ad nauseum (3, Funny)

SisyphusShrugged (728028) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218890)

Talk about lawsuit happy...can there really be that much money in song lyrics and sheet music?!?

Reminds me of that South Park episode, "Now Britney wont be able to buy her third caribbean island, all because of you evil children and your selfish downloading of music!"

I am absolutely certain there is a special ring of hell reserved for these RIAA goons and their SCO-like tactics.

Re:Lawsuits ad nauseum (5, Funny)

Moby Cock (771358) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218966)

I am absolutely certain there is a special ring of hell reserved for these RIAA goons and their SCO-like tactics.

It spins them right round, baby, right round, like a record, baby, right round, round, round.

Aaaahhhhh! Illegal lyrics, Slashdot is doomed!

Re:Lawsuits ad nauseum (5, Funny)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219047)

I am absolutely certain there is a special ring of hell reserved for these RIAA goons and their SCO-like tactics.

I hope so, because if they get their way then that will be the only way future listeners of Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" will have of finding out whether Bealzebub really does have a devil for a sideboard...

Level 4 (1)

Lifewish (724999) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219067)

They'll definitely be in the fourth ring of hell, reserved for the prodigal (I have no idea what this means in context) and avaricious. It's just after the Styx, iirc/

Re:Level 4 (1)

LoadWB (592248) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219143)

Damn, I figured that is where they would end up. I wonder if I can still get concert tickets.

Oh sure it's no big deal to you. (2, Funny)

JudgeFurious (455868) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219137)

Downloading your free music and dooming these entertainers to lives of only semi-luxury. How do you sleep at night mister?

Re:Lawsuits ad nauseum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14219152)

I am absolutely certain there is a special ring of hell reserved for these RIAA goons and their SCO-like tactics.

Yeah, about that... I wanted to set one up, but they sued me over my choice of 'entertainment' there. Apparently I'm supposed to pay for that music stuff they subject on you guys.

I swear, maybe I should stop torturing the lawyers long enough to sick 'em on these guys...


That's stupid (5, Funny)

MarcoPon (689115) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218897)

It seems that they are in a quest to prove everyday to the world that they are even more stupid than previously supposed to be.

Will this pertain to TAB sites too? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14218907)

So a site that has a guitar tab to a song with the lyrics on that unauthorized/unlicensed material that will now become "illegal"? That's just horrible if it's true. How much longer can these crazy corporations before they finally shoot themselves in both feet and fall down?

Re:Will this pertain to TAB sites too? (5, Informative)

gowen (141411) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219029)

Those of us who are ancient will remember that that's happened before. In the mid-1990s, the Harry Fox Agency (IIRC) threatened to sue the OnLine Guitar Archive (OLGA) for illegally reproducing lyrics without permission. Many lyrics were partially excised as a result, but the threatened death of online guitar resources failed to happen...

So if you ever get a tab sheet were you get the first word of a line and a sequence of dots instead of the lyrics, now you know why.

Call Oberlin! (2, Insightful)

Puhase (911920) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218909)

All music conservatories must now be shut down as they are producing students capable of transposing music from just listening to it and therefore becoming music pirates. I wonder if the people who own the sounds studios have the copyright for things like the sound a river makes. If so, our national parks are in danger of a lawsuit!

Re:Call Oberlin! (1)

rawwa.venoise (881755) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219098)

you're funny but it might be trought. Imagine that conservatories now must pay RIAA for the right to teach children to play electric guitar. With all the scores protected by IP laws you can't teach people to play metal, blues and rock.

Lucky for us that at least lots of music has been produced in the past and has been falling in the public domain.

Perhaps this will be the dead of POP and ROCK and all sort of teenager music groups as there will be no more musicians capable of playing an electric guitar.

A crying shame... (1)

bcarl314 (804900) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218910)

Back in the good old days, I recall printing out the lyrics to "It's the end of the world as we know it" by REM from gophernet. Ah, how times have changed. Seems like everyone and their brother were downloading lyrics back then. I suppose these companies should go after the U of Minn since they never cracked down on the practice (other than saying you were limited to printing 10 pages per hour from the computer labs).

hmm.. (2, Funny)

somersault (912633) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218911)

I wonder why suicide is on the rise.. surely the world is always becoming a better place?

Re:hmm.. (1, Troll)

digitalcaffeine (787048) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218941)

Because suicide is painless, it brings on many changes

Re:hmm.. (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219002)

ah yes, good point. When I hung myself while firing a nailgun through my temple and chopping through my neck with a chainsaw, it didnt hurt at all. The only thing that brought me back was the warm fuzzy feeling in my soul remembering all the acts of love brought into the world by the RIAA.

Lyrics needed for Beach Boys "Goodbye Raisins" (3, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218914)

Great, now people will be writing about Jimi Hendrix singing "'Scuse me while I kiss this guy" in Purple Haze and Creedence Clearwater Revival singing "There's a bathroom on the right" in 'Bad Moon Rising'

Re:Lyrics needed for Beach Boys "Goodbye Raisins" (1)

cosam (460350) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219135)

My personal favourite remains Marvin Gaye's "Central Heating", closely followed by "Slow Running Water" from Deep Purple.

Blue by Eiffel 65 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14219144)

ppl will think that the chorus goes like 'now i'm blue, i'm in a need of a guy, need of a guy, need of a guy'

Donald Ray Moore Jr. (mindrape)

There wouldn't e a problem if.... (1)

millahtime (710421) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218916)

There wouldn't e a problem if the stuff was resonably priced. I would rather have it on cd (higer quality). But, it costs so much. When you look at profits there is a lot of wiggle room. A bunch of flippin rich babies and their cartel.

Please don't... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14218919)

Enjoy our music. Music is for making money, not for enjoying! How dare you attempt to gain some sort of pleasure from the audio we worked so hard to sell you. Don't sing along. You will just use the wrong lyrics and sound stupid... Or worst yet, make our music sound stupid. Oh wait... too late. We are stupid!

Fanaticism not only among religious people (1)

Hinhule (811436) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218931)

throw [ing]in some jail time I think we'll be a little more effective

Yes, sue the fans and throw them in jail. He was later overheard saying.

That'll show the little bastards and make the other little bastards want to pay through their nose. Now gimme my mirror I want to see my lover.

Re:Fanaticism not only among religious people (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14219078)

He was later overheard saying.

That'll show the little bastards and make the other little bastards want to pay through their nose. Now gimme my mirror I want to see my lover.

Which was in turn followed by:


Poor man... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14218937)

"Unauthorised use of lyrics and tablature deprives the songwriter of the ability to make a living, and is no different than stealing," This songwriter person must be really poor. They are constantly robbing this guy in alot of stories I've seen on slashdot. I think we could all arrange a fund-raising concert or something so this guy can have a merry Christmas...

Two words (1, Interesting)

Kythe (4779) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219048)

"Bull" and "Shit".

I am so sick of that excuse.

This has never been about the artists, who are making increased profits with p2p file sharing, etc.

This is about a few mega-corps who have had a cartel lock on the marketplace, and haven't had to develop any business sense at all.

Songwriters are primarily song performers, and they make most of their money in tours.

Re:Two words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14219141)

Can't agree with you more! Actually, I was trying to be sarcastic but I fucked up on the formating! Nice site btw. ;-)

Sue This! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14218940)

Here's a song I just copyrighted.....


Repeat 3x ...Its a death metal song... Underground.... where the MPA should be.


Damn it that's not good enough (4, Funny)

squoozer (730327) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218948)

Why didn't he just come out and say what he really wanted to say:

"Just prison time! That's not enough! These low life scum deserve nothing more than to be stoned to death (women aren't allowed to partake in the stoning, of course). They have stolen food from the mouths of hungry little children and strangled kittens. Well they would strangle kittens if they could. There probably terrorists as well you know!"

Will common sense ever return to the world? I think not with people like this running things.

Re:Damn it that's not good enough (1)

Vengeance (46019) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218973)

Your first mistake is in assuming that common sense was *ever* a part of this world.

Re:Damn it that's not good enough (1)

helmespc (807573) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218995)

Jailtime? And I thought throwing junkies in jail was questionable. Come on.... jailtime for web site operators? Joe Website: Whater you in fer? Bubba: I killed a family of 4... Whatchou in fer? Joe Website: Giving out song lyrics online. Butta: Squeal like a pig....

Re:Damn it that's not good enough (3, Insightful)

SilverspurG (844751) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219119)

And I walked over to the bench there, and there's--Group W is where they put you if you may not be MORAL enough to join the army after committin' your special crime.

There was all kinds of mean, nasty and ugly-lookin' people on the bench there --there was mother rapers--father-stabbers, father-rapers! FATHER-RAPERS sittin' right there on the bench next to me!

And they was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible and crime fightin' guys were sittin' there on the bench, and the meaniest, ugliest, nastiest one--the meanest father-raper of them all--was comin' over to me.

And he was mean and nasty and horrible and all kinds of things, and he sat down next to me. He said, "Kid, what'd you get?"

I said, "I didn't get nothin'. I had to pay fifty dollars and pick up the garbage." He said, "What were you arrested FOR, kid?" and I said, "Litterin'."

And they all moved away from me on the bench there, with the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean, nasty things, till I said, "And creatin' a nuisance."

And they all came back, shook my hand and we had a great time on the bench talkin' about crime, mother-stabbin', father-rapin', --all kinds of groovy things that we was talkin' about on the bench, and everything was fine.

Courtesy of this page [] . I wonder if it's illegal?

Re:Damn it that's not good enough (0, Offtopic)

SilverspurG (844751) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219035)

At no other time in history has the collection of taxes been so automated. In centuries past there was a feedback system of what a fair tax was. That system was governed by how well the people were doing. If the landowner ask for too much there just wasn't any way to take more from the peasants without initiating a physical confrontation. In many cases this was done and peasants were outright killed to intimidate the remainder into reaching deeper into their pockets or, in many cases, signing over into legal debt which could be used against them for all years to follow.

In today's society it is completely automated for them to take us down to our very last dollar. There is no way for us to regulate this. There is no way for the taxpayer to say "No". Most employers require that you submit to taxes or they rescind the job offer. I've heard that the IRS isn't fun to deal with either.

There is no common sense when these humans have a limitless supply of money.

Soon... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14218965)

It will be really less risky to do real piratery (read : attack ship on sea, rape, robe/plunder) than do copyright infrigement, matey. For what matters, I think we are anyway way past the point where shoplifting a few CDlend you in less-hot water than downloading the same 15 sond online...

$0.02 (4, Insightful)

fwice (841569) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218967)

Just my personal experience --

but I've bought a ton of cd's by listening to a song on the radio, writing down a random verse, and later googling that phrase to get to one of those cheesy lyric pages. I then can see what the song is, and what artist is making it.

Shut that down and you're gonna lose my sales.

jail time? (5, Insightful)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218975)

I am not for illegal music downloading or for violating copyrights, etc.

However, jail time? That, to me at least, implies that society has been harmed in some measurable and somewhat significant way. Music lyrics? Is this after multiple warning to cease and desist?

Are they profiting off of this?

Obviously, I'm thinking outload here. But the main point is that jailing people is not something we should be deciding willy-nilly based on people from an industry that feels threatened.

It's one thing for them to want the state to help them in regards to illegal activity that affects their business. This is quite another.

Re:jail time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14219164)

I agree. Not only that but it wastes tax payer's money (keeping a person in jail is expensive) on something fankly i doubt many people would want their money to be spent on. Money we give to the goverment to protect and serve us is now being used to screw us over. How lovely. Trying to protect their business model is within their right, however we may dislike it (artist chose to publish under them), but it should not fall onto jail time for the reasons you stated/implied.

This post is the end of Slashdot (5, Funny)

Vokkyt (739289) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218978)

cause it will have lyrics from Bohemian Rhapsody in it...which is seemingly appropriate in my mind.

Is this the real life- Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see-
I'm just a poor boy,i need no sympathy-
Because I'm easy come,easy go,
A little high,little low,
Anyway the wind blows,doesn't really matter to me,
To me

Mama,just killed a man,
Put a gun against his head,
Pulled my trigger,now he's dead,
Mama,life had just begun,
But now I've gone and thrown it all away-
Mama ooo,
Didn't mean to make you cry-
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow-
Carry on,carry on,as if nothing really matters-

Too late,my time has come,
Sends shivers down my spine-
Body's aching all the time,
Goodbye everybody-I've got to go-
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth-
Mama ooo- (any way the wind blows)
I don't want to die,
I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all-

I see a little silhouetto of a man,
Scaramouche,scaramouche will you do the fandango-
Thunderbolt and lightning-very very frightening me-
Galileo galileo
Galileo figaro-magnifico-
But I'm just a poor boy and nobody loves me-
He's just a poor boy from a poor family-
Spare him his life from this monstrosity-
Easy come easy go-,will you let me go-
Bismillah! no-,we will not let you go-let him go-
Bismillah! we will not let you go-let him go
Bismillah! we will not let you go-let me go
Will not let you go-let me go
Will not let you go let me go
Mama mia,mama mia,mama mia let me go-
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me,for me,for me-

So you think you can stone me and spit in my eye-
So you think you can love me and leave me to die-
Oh baby-can't do this to me baby-
Just gotta get out-just gotta get right outta here-

Nothing really matters,
Anyone can see,
Nothing really matters-,nothing really matters to me,

Any way the wind blows....

frustrated (1)

milamber3 (173273) | more than 8 years ago | (#14218982)

I think this is the music industries equivalent of "kicking the dog" to get out their frustrations about not being able to even put a dent in p2p.

I am glad... (1)

The Clash Man (897871) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219001)

I am glad that they are doing this. Perhaps this will finally let people see that this has gone to far. That groups like the MPA and *AA have exceeded their bounds and are just being asinine. Maybe now things like this will come to an end.

Off with their heads! (1)

penguin-collective (932038) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219006)

Just imagine how much more effective of a deterrent it would be if we simply guillotine those music fans who dare post song lyrics on the Internet! Off with their heads, I say!

Make Room (4, Funny)

Dareth (47614) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219017)

I guess we need to make room in the jails.

The MPA is demanding jail time for the maintainers of websites offering unlicensed song scores and lyrics.

Time to let all the copyright honoring murderers out of jail to make room. After all, the people they killed probably illegally downloaded music!

Society knows who the "real criminals" are.

My question is... (2, Insightful)

mcsestretch (926118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219018)

How far can this go? For example, if I type, "Embrace me, surround me, as the rush comes." have I violated their intellectual property?

If it's illegal to transcribe all of the lyrics, what about half of them? One stanza? One line?

too much greed kills the money source... (2) (897672) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219024)

There is a real but small market for printed lyrics & score/tabs in nice books, sure.
But seriously, would you spend hours to find/print the one from the web, or buy a nice book withotu any mistake, and a nice layout?

I don't remeber having heard anyone publish a study about declining publish lyrics sales...

They're just over greedy. As somebody else said, most people who look up lyrics online end up BUYING the damned record.

And is there ANY legal site where you could purchase and downlaod lyrics and tabs ???

Personally, I think lyrics should be included in the file when you buy a song from the ITMS or other. WOuldn't it be could to have the possibility to see the lyrics displayed while playing?

I'm just sick of thos RIAA idiots... and I'm gonna backup my dear pearlyric widget !
Unfortunatly, I only have v0.4, if somebody has the latest, please share!

Don't Sue my Brain (3, Funny)

beaversoc (835028) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219025)

Shit I just thought a set of Lyrics, Dammit agian. Off to get a alumnium foil Hat and hide

Right after the SONY BoD goes to prison (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14219026)

I don't hear them calling for the Board of Directors and top management for SONY to go to prison for putting root kits on a couple of million machines.
That is clearly a go to prison offense unlike copyright violations which is a civil matter.

This reminds me (2, Funny)

Aceticon (140883) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219033)

This reminds me of something a virtual radio commentator that you hear when playing a recent game says:

"Remember, you shouldn't wistle the tunes you hear on the radio because it breaks the author's copyright. Wistling is killing the music industry!"

Re:This reminds me (1)

Thondermonst (613766) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219123)

OK, off to jail with you! You just violated "The Movies" copyright...

What are we talking about here? (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219034)

Is sheet music still a major source of income for song writers? I thought most of the lyrics and music avaialable online were for popular songs, and surely the songwriters get almost all their money from the mechanical royalties from record sales.

Why is this illegal? (4, Insightful)

miracle69 (34841) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219036)

If you are reconstructing lyrics from listening to a song that they broadcast over public airwaves, what is illegal about me documenting what I heard?

These idiots! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14219042)

I have about 150 books of tablature (yeah, I know, but I like it). I also frequent OLGA and other sites when it's just a quick riff I need to grab.

But I have paid for about 150 books.

And if they shut down ANY site I will not get to 151.

But don't think there won't be battles over this -- what about chord progressions? Those have never been protected. Or whent hey are represented as numbers? ("It's a basic I-IV-V"). Or parts of a song, which certainly could be considered fair use?

Profits (1)

g_bowskill (801731) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219043)

I wonder how much more profits the music industry would make if they just sacked all of their lawyers?

I mean seriously, are they kidding us with this rubbish all the time? The last album I brough was because the artists website had a free animation of the song that you could watch, I then searched for the lyrics to my favourite song of theirs, enjoyed both items so much I brought the album. Do they really not have a clue how their own industry works?

more betrayal (4, Interesting)

yagu (721525) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219051)

Jail time for unlicensed publishing of lyrics? I don't know how many times I've gone looking for lyrics to songs and the only place I can find anything is some web site where a fan has taken the time to put lyrics together. Maybe that's changed some and now that the music industry see dollar signs you really can go "buy" this stuff -- is it my responsibility to monitor and find this stuff (which, btw should have been available a long time ago)?

The music industry has betrayed the consumers since forever. Are they going to go after the publicly available and free CDDB? Probably. But even that didn't exist until the consuming public put together the first application to make this available on-line. And guess who provided the data? The friggin' public, again. And, now that the industry sees dollar signs, they want to claim ownership.

Scores? (1, Interesting)

Libor Vanek (248963) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219052)

OK, I understand the "lyrics part" - it's "intelectual property" same as poems, books etc.

But WTF about "unlicensed song scores"? Does that mean that I can't publish on my blog what songs I like and hate?

Re:Scores? (2, Informative)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219148)

lets put this in programming terms:
    Musical score != Rating.
    Musical score == the actual music source code.

There was no one left to notice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14219053)

When they came for us.

If only the MPA would think this through (1)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219060)

When I was younger, I got my hand on "Pinball Wizard" in guitar tablature. The very next thing I did was get a recording of "Pinball Wizard" to help me learn it.

Point is, all those your guitar wannabees out there who are given access to the sheet music will want to purchase the associated CD's to help them learn to play it. THE SHEET MUSIC SELLS THE CD!!

Even today, I'm trying to learn a celtic folk piece called "The Wind the Shakes the Barley". I need to hear several examples of how that is played to get an idea.

You guys at the MPA and RIAA are pushing me too far....I'm *this close* to giving a verbal account of an NFL football game.

Hooray! No more lyrics for ANYONE! Thank goodness. (1)

supersheepboy (915523) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219061)

I believe that their paranoia of intellectual property theft has gone out of control. Somewhere in the back of my mind, they will ban music altogether because someone out there will copy the music and brand it as theirs. Way to go!

Those of us that play by ear are next. (4, Insightful)

93,000 (150453) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219071)

DUDE: "Hey man, I just figured out the solo for [insert song here]. It's so cool to play."

OTHER DUDE: "Sweet, show me how it goes."

DUDE: "Um, I can't -- it's illegal. And don't tell anyone I figured it out myself. If anybody asks I bought the music."

In similar news, concertgoers will now be forbidden from watching the hands of musicians during the performance, lest they learn something about how a song is played without paying the proper royalties.

Re:Those of us that play by ear are next. (1)

Carthag (643047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219153)

Easy to fix, the audience will be given blindfolds and white-noise headphones before the concert.

warez headlines (1)

elvezZzZ (935966) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219072)

IRC groups (RNS, WHOA, C4, etc.) start to add lyrics to their mp3 releases. Bit Torrent sites stop sharing music and movies to start lyrics section. Please monitor your computers for .rar files, .tar files and .txt files containing lyrics.

In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14219079)

...from Jurassic Court: It has been reported that the dinosaurs are suing mammals for becoming extinct.

hhhmmm... (1)

irchs (752829) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219081)

How will they prove that the tabs/lyrics etc are from actual tab/lyric books?!

Surely someone could just post what they thought the lyric was, without even reading it, and just happen to be right?! Same for guitar tabs etc...

Maybe a wikipedia like solution is in order?! Would a wikipedia like lyric/tab site be at risk from these cowboys?!

Illegal - Daft Punk 'Around The World' Lyrics (5, Funny)

jolyonr (560227) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219108)

So here, for your illegal enjoyment, are the lyrics for Daft Punk's track 'Around the World', encoded in a C style language for your benefit.

printf("Around the World\r\n");


Am I an illegal now?

So how about self-written guitar tabs? (1)

marsu_k (701360) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219113)

I know I learned initally to play the guitar by ear, and have since been playing songs just by listening them long enough (although lessons did help a lot also). While I never had the need to write the notes down, I know there are many tabs out there that are not copied, but are written by people that have just listened to the song. Isn't that quite akin to reverse-engineering? So will they be sued also?

WTF? (1)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219114)

What's the purpose of shutting down lyrics sites? It makes no sense whatsoever to me. Do the record industries plan on making more money if no one can read the lyrics of their songs?

Perhaps they're jealous of all the annoying pop-up (redundant, I know...) ads that places like AZlyrics can have. Honestly, I'm LESS likely to buy a song that I can't find the lyrics to (assuming that I heard the song on the radio and didn't catch all the lyrics).

Thiefing Bastards (1)

malsdavis (542216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219120)

Thiefing Bastards! ...I'm talking about the music industry. They won't stop till they've got every last cent.

Deprieving artists of a living my arse. I'd like to see them try find an artist who makes a living from selling lyrics!

Surely any real "artist" would prefer people actually understood the lyrics they were singing rather than deprive all their fans for that one in a million customer who is crazy enough to actually buy a songbook purely for the lyrics.

I'm simply disgusted at the pure greed of music publishers!

Tabs are just laborious interpretations (1)

bender647 (705126) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219128)

It takes me maybe two to eight hours to listen and write the sheet music for a song using Lilypond for other band members to use. No, it isn't my original song, I'm just writing down notes on how to play it. Now someone is telling me its illegal to do this. How long before they arrest us for playing the songs in our garage? What is the end goal? To destroy our interest in music altogether?

Jail Time?!? (1)

gibson042 (844355) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219134)

Last I heard, the United Kingdom had a split criminal/civil system of law. In the United States, and I thought mostly everywhere else, copyright infringement is a civil offense. Either I am wrong, or this means that the UK allows punishment of civil offenses with jail time!

The only times... (5, Insightful)

CaptainPotato (191411) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219147)

...that I use online lyric sites are for when I want the words for music that I have purchased, but the publisher saw fit not to include the lyrics in the packaging, or for looking up the name of a song that I have heard and want to know what it is.

In the first instance, there's no more money to be made from me as I have already spent money - and I would refuse to pay to use a site that provides lyrics. Indeed, it would also discourage me from buying more music in the future from companies that endorse this approach.

In the second instance, there's also no money to be made from me as I won't be able to find the song by using its lyrics. Lose-lose for the music industry, it seems. To top it off, with this type of attitude, I'm also far less likely to purchase anything from companies pursuing this type of strategy.

That's why I stick with Internet radio and music from individuals, groups and companies that respect their fans, rather than trying to milk them for all that they are worth.

I'm not a musician, so I don't download tabs. Shutting down tab sites also seems pointless as any half-decent musician can pick up a song by listening to it. Every musician I know does it this way. Does this mean that the music industry wants to also jail musicians who learn by listening, rather than by buying officially sanctioned tabs and scores?

Silly me, I forget that all the great musicians learnt from the officially sanctioned sources, rather than listening and imitating their heroes... and that anybody who disagrees with what the music industry wants must be a pirate and thief.

Is this REALLY illegal? (2, Interesting)

MrBandersnatch (544818) | more than 8 years ago | (#14219166)

Consider these 2 scenarios :-

1) Someone takes the lyrics/score as written in a book/CD case, copies it and publishes it on a web page.
2) Someone listens to a song several times, transposes the lyrics/score as they hear it and transposes it on a web page.

Now 1) is a clear breach of copyright (and should be settled in a civil court as such) but 2)...I cant help but think of that as a derivitive work and as such NOT in breach of copyright.

I dont know though - could someone enlighten me please?
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