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The Podjacker Threat

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the save-the-children dept.

Media (Apple) 354

Schlemphfer writes "As everyone knows by now, podcasting has taken off in a big way. But over the past week, several tech journals and The Daily Source Code have reported on the threat of 'podjacking,' the creation of an alternate RSS feed without the consent of the podcast's owner. I'm the host of a podcast, which has the dubious distinction of being the first widely-publicized victim of a podjacking. To teach others from my experiences I have posted an article entitled Preventing and Surviving a Podjacking (also available in PDF). So far this story has attracted widespread but generally inept media and blogger coverage. This article sets the record straight on what really happened, and shows the simple steps every podcaster should take to protect their shows from podjacking."

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Say what? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14220898)

"podjacking"

I hope you die a horrible death.

Re:Say what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14221284)

And here I thought podjacking had to deal with a video ipod and porn...

Frist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14220899)

spot

PLEASE, enough with the words! (5, Funny)

RPoet (20693) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220909)

Do we HAVE to invent new contorted words for every variation of everything these days? Podjacking? Webinar? Blogosphere, podosphere? Vlog? Moblogging? I'm in pain here!

uh, uh, uh, uh, (5, Funny)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220934)

uh, uh, uh, uh, ooooh baby....

er.... sorry, you caught me at a bad time, I was podjacking...

-everphilski-

Re:uh, uh, uh, uh, (4, Funny)

jcr (53032) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220963)

Don't you know podjacking can make you go blind, boy? Now, say 10 "Hail Marys", and ego te absolvo.

-jcr

I'm Lutheran (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221093)

you insensitive clod!

-everphilski-

Re:uh, uh, uh, uh, (1)

IdleTime (561841) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221303)

Got a URL to the Hail Mary? Are they podcasting it?

Re:uh, uh, uh, uh, (3, Funny)

Poltras (680608) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221341)

podjacked at the moment. Please come again later.

Re:PLEASE, enough with the words! (3, Funny)

gid13 (620803) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220978)

You will like this page:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ba nish [thebestpag...iverse.net]

Re:PLEASE, enough with the words! (1)

abigor (540274) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221192)

From your link:

Podcast: Someone had the revolutionary idea of taking a compressed audio file and putting it online. Yeah, doesn't sound so sexy when I describe it for what it is, does it you morons? It would have been a great idea if streaming audio wasn't already around for over a decade before the word "podcast" entered the lexicon. Man, I can't stand the word "lexicon." Talking about all these shitty words has made me start using shitty words. I'm so pissed, I just slammed the door shut on some kid's nuts.

Podcasting: It's snob for "streaming audio."

Podcatcher: Any idiot with an iPod, web browser, or ears.

hahahaha

Re:PLEASE, enough with the words! (1)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221281)

A podcast isn't an audio stream. Just an mp3.

Re:PLEASE, enough with the words! (4, Funny)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221032)

Do we HAVE to invent new contorted words for every variation of everything these days? Podjacking? Webinar? Blogosphere, podosphere? Vlog? Moblogging? I'm in pain here!

Those are perfectly cromulent words.

Re:PLEASE, enough with the words! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14221161)

"Those are perfectly cromulent words."

And being familiar with them will embiggen your vocabulary.

Re:PLEASE, enough with the words! (1)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221245)

Nah, that's unpossible.

Re:PLEASE, enough with the words! (1)

shobadobs (264600) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221071)

Be careful! This officially makes you an old fart.

Re:PLEASE, enough with the words! (2, Insightful)

tpgp (48001) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221095)

Do we HAVE to invent new contorted words for every variation of everything these days?

Well, Podjacking certainly sounds better (to the writer of the linked article anyway) then I'm-a-retard-who-doesn't-understand-how-the-intern et-works-jacking

Yeeeesh. No doubt people foolish enough to get sucked into using the word 'podcast' will lap this up like the sheep they are....

Re:PLEASE, enough with the words! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14221304)

Totally agree with you. Reminds me of the time a decade or so ago when everything had to have an 'e' in front of it's name. email was fine, but e-commerce and e-business and e-toliet paper and.... you get the point. Most of that died out eventually. Then for a while it was i-whatever. Now it's pod-whatever. This too shall pass like a bad episode of Dawson's Creek... Aw hell, what am I saying, all the episodes were bad.

Re:PLEASE, enough with the words! (1)

belly917 (928006) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221315)

podjacking, hyjacking.. they're all wrong

disrupting a vegan podcast..

that's "doing you a favor"

simple way to avoid, for consumers at least (-1, Troll)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220914)

Don't be a content junkie. Do we need constant streams of info, on topics as diverse as the people creating podcasts? Do you have time to sit there and listen to something for hours? Don't you work? Don't you have families? Don't you have girlfriends?

To the podcast creators, its a sneaky thing to do, but seriously, since you're just spewing content into the ether, the actual COST to you is low-to-null.

Re:simple way to avoid, for consumers at least (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14220950)

Girlfriends? On Slashdot? Bwahaha.

You are green ;-)

Spew into the ether (1)

1_brown_mouse (160511) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221124)

Its all a form of "Jacking" and about as valuable to society.

"Spew into the ether" is my new favorite quote.

Re:simple way to avoid, for consumers at least (1)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221243)

Do we need constant streams of info, on topics as diverse as the people creating podcasts?

Perhaps, perhaps not. On one hand, I think it's a great way to get in touch with people who have more specialized interests that you're not going to find in regular news or information sources.

On the other hand, people take this stuff too seriously. It's brain candy, the narcotic of the microculture. Once you find people who think like you do and share your ideas, you want to connect with them more and more. And podcasters are all too happy to oblige. Apparently some people have too much time on their hands.

Podjacking... spew... Hehehehe ;)

*Gnashes Teeth* (1, Redundant)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220915)

Podcasting was bad enough, maybe not as bad as blog, blogger, and blogging, but annoying nonetheless. Podjacking now? Gah.

Re:*Gnashes Teeth* (5, Funny)

xnderxnder (626189) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220983)

Hey, it could be worse.. he could have called it podsquatting.

Eew!

*Scratches Head* (2, Insightful)

kermitthefrog917 (903403) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221031)

I still have no idea what a freaking podcast is and how it is any different than normal streamed audio. Or what a blog is in comparison to a personal daily-updated website. Or what a...

Seriously... It seems that stupid people decided on stupid terms so that they could express their stupid selves online even though they could have done it before. That's a lot of stupidity. And stupidity is an odd thing: It never gets used up. Maybe its like entropy, is always increasing...

Re:*Scratches Head* (2, Informative)

Nick_dm (580691) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221108)

Podcasting isn't streamed audio, it's just providing an RSS feed with links to audio files so they can be downloaded automatically by a client, rather than having to actually go to the website.

Re:*Scratches Head* (2, Informative)

Kelson (129150) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221128)

Or what a blog is in comparison to a personal daily-updated website.

Shorter. Fewer letters to type, fewer syllables to say.

Do you always refer to the "television set," or do you turn on the "TV" or "telly?" Do you drive a "horseless carriage" or "automobile"... or you you drive a "car?" Do people call your "cellular phone" or do they call your "cell?"

Same thing.

As for podcasting, it really is different from streaming audio. It's downloadable audio (or video) that is announced via a subscription system (generally RSS these days) and then -- and here's the key -- automatically downloaded by a client during idle time (and optionally transferred to an audio player). The idea was originally that the podcast client would download content overnight and transfer it to your iPod, and you could then play it anywhere you wanted during the day. It's been generalized, but the name stuck.

Re:*Scratches Head* (1)

kermitthefrog917 (903403) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221205)

Ok... makes sense... Ive got some bash scripts in a cron job that do the exact same thing... i guess it makes it easier...

WHAAAAAAAAT (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14221056)

Cant this PODJACKING make sense? how about like CAR JACKING, when someone jacks your car...how about when someone jacks your POD it is called podjacking....and when someone jacks your podcast its PODCASTJACKING

Re:WHAAAAAAAAT (1)

manonthespoon (607414) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221146)

I'd mod you up if I could.

Re:*Gnashes Teeth* (4, Funny)

Kelson (129150) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221154)

Carjacking. Skyjacking. Podjacking.

It's official. English is officially jacked up.

Easy (3, Insightful)

Hey Pope Felcher . . (921019) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220917)

Why not just let the podcast be distributed, and announce the name of your website at various intervals?

Not only will this allow the wider distribution of your ramblings, but also help save on bandwidth.

Slashdot overrun by old fogies (1, Flamebait)

saskboy (600063) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220997)

Slashdot has been overrun by old people. They know nothing about podcasting, and are so against learning about it, they rile against the word even being considered for a dictionary. Slashdot is now officially overrun by 80 year olds.

I'm almost part of this group of old people since I'm in my mid-20s, and have never downloaded a podcast via an RSS feed. I don't think I even have an RSS feed reader on my computer, unless Firefox counts some how. I thought it was like live bookmarks for a long time, but I guess that's not it?

I don't think many people understand what a podjacking is. Does it mean someone else distributes an identical podcast file as their own, or does it mean they make their own podcast and pretent is comes from another source?

Re:Slashdot overrun by old fogies (1)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221089)

What happened in this case:
1.) Dude makes podcast
2.) 2nd dude mirrors podcast RSS file and promotes their own duplicate feed through iTunes and Yahoo and the other 5 zillion podcast directories.
3.) 2nd dude's podcast gets MORE subscribers
4.) 2nd dude stops posting new files. The majority of subscribers get no more episodes.
5.) 1st dude wonders why, stumbles upon his iTunes directory entry which displays the WRONG RSS file.
6.) 2nd dude asks for money.

Re:Slashdot overrun by old fogies (1)

Fulcrum of Evil (560260) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221261)

7) 1st dude waits for 2nd dude to collect, then sues for damages (all revenue from podcast) and takes 2nd dude's house.

Re:Slashdot overrun by old fogies (1)

polansky (197040) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221334)

1.5) Dude posts url of podcast RSS to 2nd dude's podcast directory.

Re:Slashdot overrun by old fogies (1)

maximusind (893564) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221300)

I wonder what's more likely, here...

1. A ton of people on Slashdot decide to stop adopting new and innovative technology,

OR

2. Podcasting is neither new, nor innovative, and possibly retarded.

Re:Slashdot overrun by old fogies (1)

Surt (22457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221326)

You got moderated high funny, but it seems like you had a legitimate question.

Podjacking is when someone registers your podcast with the major podcast search engines as coming from their site.

They then forward the podcast to your show. Maybe. Or maybe they send some other show. Or maybe they offer to let you pay them not to tell your audience that the show has been canceled. Etc. Once they own your show on the major search engines, you're pretty much beholden to them for your audience. Hopefully, the search engines will learn to correct this soon, but it doesn't solve the problem of audience members with existing bookmarks/subscriptions set up that are pointing to the wrong place.

Re:Easy (2, Insightful)

salzbrot (314893) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221189)

If you (and the person who modded you interesting) had read TFA, you knew that this does not help you save bandwidth.

The podjacker creates a feed that points to your podcast, so the podcast gets downloaded still from _your_ site. Now he gets this feed as the "official" feed for your show listed on iTunes, yahoo etc. At this point, you are at his mercy. So if he decides to delete this feed (as happened in this case), you loose all the subscribers that subscribed via this feed, which is essentially all except for the few that subscribed directly through your website.

What is even more scary is, he could point his feed to a completely different podcast or download yours, add commercials to it and earn money from your hard work without you even noticing while your listeners think you put the adds in there.

Re:Easy (1)

bdcrazy (817679) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221240)

Set up an RSS feed to your bittorrent podcast... gah, way too much.

GET YOUR FRESH RSS PodTorrents Here!

Actually i should patent sending torrent files as podcasts before some idiot thinks this is non obvious...

Re:Easy (1, Informative)

Surt (22457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221268)

It doesn't help him save on bandwidth because the podjacking site was forwarding the traffic. The problem is: what happens when they _stop_ forwarding the traffic? Suddenly, your audience can't connect to your show. And because you didn't know your audience was reaching you via a redirect, you may not have known you needed to tell people what your shows real address was.

Plus, do you really want to have to try to explain to your less then optimally technological audience just how to fix their rss feed?

In fact, if you read the article, this is what happened to him: the podjacker stopped forwarding his audience, and he lost a significant number of people. And because yahoo and itunes are being slow to fix his lookup, his lost audience really has no way to find him (a search on yahoo for the show turns up the podjacker, who will no longer send you the show)!

Ho Hum... (0, Troll)

Ruff_ilb (769396) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220919)

This isn't that interesting to me. This reminds me of issues with web-pages being hacked or redirected to another site, or links hacked to goatse instead of a family photo album; this just seems to be the next iiteration of annoying attacks. I'm sure the guide is useful, but this shouldn't be some new big deal.

Also - ok, it's just a podcast, and they link to like, explicit racist music or music ripped off of a porn movie, or just annoying ranting of some random hacker. This doesn't seem to be too dire of an issue.

OUTGOING (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14220920)

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"What's a podcast?" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14220930)

eom

Apple? (2, Insightful)

RPoet (20693) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220936)

Apple has nothing to do with this story, so I don't see why it's filed in the Apple category. Apple did not invent podcasting; they were even late adopters of it.

Re:Apple? (1, Troll)

muuh-gnu (894733) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221043)

> Apple has nothing to do with this story, so I don't see why it's filed in the Apple category. Apple did not invent
> podcasting; they were even late adopters of it.

Of course it has. The Apple fanboy who "invented" podcasting, named it so to show off his fetish for Apple brands. Since something is reckognized mostly on its name, and history tends to be forgotten, Apple now practically both "owns" podcasting, and will be portraited as heving invented it, since its their product which is in the name, and, as this werent enough, it's the only portable player that gets mentioned every single time "podcasting" makes a story.

Re:Apple? (1)

DA-MAN (17442) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221173)

Apple did not invent podcasting; they were even late adopters of it.

Yeah right . . .

Next you're gonna tell me that Microsoft didn't invent the web, and that they were late adopters of it.

Sure buddy, Whatever . . .

My precious data. (4, Funny)

croddy (659025) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220946)

It's MINE.

MY. OWN.

MY data. My precioussssss....

Duh, you don't control 3rd party sites (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14220947)

How is this much different from creating a web page with the title "Microsoft.com", that links somewhere else but will show up with the title "Microsoft.com" in a google search result?

This is already illegal.

He lost control of his statistics (4, Insightful)

wild_berry (448019) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220952)

His RSS feed was no longer the unique source of downloaders, that's all. The guy had and has many listeners who found access to his podcast through non-sanctioned mirrors of his RSS feed. He thought he controlled the access to his podcast via his RSS feed, but the Internet has lots of redundancy -- without his realising so. Someone else found his material via other means, for which he isn't able to track site visitors, and this upset him. I'm not really sympathetic.

Perhaps there is mileage in protecting one aggregator of news on the web, but you hardly see Taco complaining that ArsTechnica and Digg find ways to present the same news resources to their readers.

Re:He lost control of his statistics (4, Insightful)

Surt (22457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221126)

If you read the article, I think you'll find he has a pretty legitimate concern. Imagine if google kept url listings. Which they do:

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awww.yahoo.co m&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=o rg.mozilla:en-US:official [google.com]

Now imagine that they allowed anyone to register a site mapping. For example, maybe I should register www.yahoo.com, and have it forwarded through my domain. Then one day, maybe, I decide that instead of forwarding to the real yahoo site, i'll just redirect all the visitors to my own site. What's to stop me?

That's the problem with podjacking.

Re:He lost control of his statistics (1)

wild_berry (448019) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221249)

He's losing listeners? I don't buy that: the people who want to hear Erik's Diner will make sure that they hear Erik by getting genuine Vegan.com goodness. I still think that this guy is whining about not keeping control of his brand. Blogs and Podcasts need to control their brand, because they are free content consumed by people who read because of their opinions, views and outlook. Positioning is key and a vital part of media-savvy skills. I'm sorry that Erik had to learn that lesson the hard way.

Re:He lost control of his statistics (1)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221264)

Honestly, I don't know if I particularly feel for the guy. He went to and signed up with a podcast indexing service when he started his podcasts, with the hopes of boosting his listenership. His listenership was boosted. Now he bitches about loss of control because he went and signed up with the service (who asked nothing from him until he started bitching). Yes, the terms may not have been particularly clearly stated in the beginning. However, when he asked to be removed, he was removed. Exactly as he should have been. When he wanted to be reinstated, he got a good look at the terms and cried "extortion". Reminds me of a band that signs with a label without ever looking at the contract, and then cries when they realize they lose some control or don't actually own their songs or whatever. Nothing new here...

Close, but read the full article. (5, Insightful)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221191)

Someone else found his material via other means, for which he isn't able to track site visitors, and this upset him.

You're right on here, but read a little further in the article and you realize he asked for the listings directly from the "Podjacker"! After he admits this, he says that they didn't do it how he assumed they would have done it. Then he goes on to still label them a "Podjacker".

I responded to an email somebody sent me about podkeyword.com, and I gave the site a visit and submitted my URL for a few listings. When I launched my show in October of 2004 I went everywhere I could to post its URL, and I quickly forgot all about my five minute visit to podkeyword.

I guess the only remaining comment I have on this topic is that I'd like the 5 minutes I spent reading the article back. Total waste of time - there literally is nothing to see here.

MOD PARENT UP, this guy is a tool (3, Informative)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221302)

What a waste of my time.

No one "jacked" anything, this guy submitted the site to this URl forwarder himself The site that "podjacked" him is no different than cjb.net or tinyurl.com or any other redriector service.

It is anyone's fault this guy is a complete tool and does not realize what he is doing.

Re:He lost control of his statistics (1)

xmuskrat (613243) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221218)

If so, he needs to track the MP3 hits, not the RSS hits! (That's what I do)

Same as hotlinking (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14220960)

Please, for the love of God, stop making up these stupid blog/pod mashup words for insignificant events. Someone made a metadata file that points to your content. This is the same as hotlinking (where someone makes an HTML file that points to your content). Who cares?

Re:Same as hotlinking (1)

NekSnappa (803141) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221265)

A lot of people would say the same thing about 'metadata', and 'hotlinking'.

Re:Same as hotlinking (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14221318)

Please, for the love of God, stop making up these stupid blog/pod mashup words for insignificant events.

Please, stop with all the plogsmacking. You are negaposting the webpinionsphere.

vegan.com podcast? (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220967)

sounds a lot like you used someone else's service when you discovered it increased your listenedship but then decided to not pay him.

Re:vegan.com podcast? (1)

setirw (854029) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221067)

This issue is akin to the stealing of Flash animations, or for that matter, any media. Whenever I create an animation, for example, I include an FBI-style warning preceeding the clip stating where it came from, and that its appearance on another site indicates it is stolen. It should be relatively easy for a podcaster to announce at regular intervals the origin of the podcast, and perhaps a short disclaimer about modifying the podcast.

Re:vegan.com podcast? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14221153)

BING. Give that man a gold star.

This is funny (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14220973)

"I could see at a glance the danger posed by this incorrect listing"

Yes, imagine the danger of people listening to the wrong inconsequential ramblings of somebody with no life.

The consequences are beyond words!

Step 1 - Content... (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 8 years ago | (#14220998)

Step 1: podcast such high-quality content that any hijack attempt substituting lesser quality material will immediately be obvious and detected.

Step 2: podcast in a distinctive Howard Cosell voice that cannot be duplicated. This with authenticate your podcasts such that any hijacking will immediately be obvious and detected.

Step 3: there is no Step 3.

bitC]h (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14221004)

Don't cry, emo podcaster! (1, Insightful)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221008)

So, basically someone lied about where a link on their webpage went. OH NOES! MY INTERNETS!!!!111oneoneelven

Lesson (5, Funny)

okjeff (937565) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221014)

Let this be a lesson to the podcastees: Meat is the greatest thing ever.

Obligatory Coral Cache / Safety (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221022)



http://vegan.com.nyud.net:8090/issues/2005/podjack ing.htm [nyud.net]
Great article, without it I'd never know about the Kobe Beef Show ;)

We've hired 3 bloggers to start a podcast, and I've looked into the control mechanism to protect our feeds technically. I don't support copyright protection laws so I have to allow others redistribution capability. The author seems to have received many more users from the "hijack" I think I'd support others helping me.

Just protect your profits by reminding users to visit your website regularly, and take the technical precautions the author recommends. Copyright won't help you has "hijackers" will just move to 3rd world countries that don't support the laws.

Never used that method to sign up for the feed (2, Insightful)

eltoyoboyo (750015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221024)

From TFA the problem was similar to search engine content hijacking, which I have experienced. I have never directly subscribed to a feed in this way. I have always navigated to the home page first and then clicked on the RSS/ATOM/XML link to add to my feed.

Which is my way of saying that search engines are good, but
<dons jounalism professor hat>
you have to check your sources.
<doffs jounalism professor hat>

This is just a variant of SEO abuse... (1)

Stavr0 (35032) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221034)

Search Engine Optimization abusers will try to feed zillions of fake pages containing a specific keyword they're trying to attract, then coaxing the Googles of the world to list their page higher than legitimate sites pertaining to said keyword.

This is more of the same.

Having read all the links... (1)

DrRobert (179090) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221039)

about this story that I could find it certainly seems that no podjacking occurred. It seems more like podkeyword is a bad service for people interested in the stats about their audience, but it seems that they did nothing wrong. It seems the creator of the podcast did not understand all the workings of the process and created a great deal of confusion about how his feed was disseminated and then expected others to fix it for him. Perhaps podkeyword could be more clear that they are not publishing your url, but rather assuming control of traffic going to your url. (I have not been to podkeyword so maybe they are clear about what they are doing and the author clicked through something without reading it?) It seems the author could have kept control, initially with the right info, but I would also think that he has no right to make demands because of his mistakes.

Vegan.com podcast? (4, Funny)

saskboy (600063) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221047)

Sorry, but it has to be said:

Save a cow...Eat a Vegan!

-/Karma burning calories

Jipahddis, establishing bases in Podjackistan (4, Funny)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221053)

Enough.

So basically... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14221064)

What we have here is a user who is clueless about the entire idea that feeds can be reassembled and redistributed and had such shoddy marketing that one such redistrubution - a fully automated one which he signed up for himself - got the top rankings everywhere. And then the threw a hissy fit which caused him to use most of his listeners, and was surprised that the automatic service wouldn't reinstate his feed.

I guess next time he should choose to "podcast" (meh, still a horrid word) using Atom, which is the id element to always point to the original location of the feed. That won't stop anyone malicious, but at least it would prevent him from shooting himself in the foot like that.

Use ID3 tag (1)

DysenteryInTheRanks (902824) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221065)

The problem, in short, is that people other than the MP3 file creator are including links to the MP3 files as enclosures in their own RSS feeds, which are published without the consent of the original MP3 creator. This is a lot like inlining images off someone elses server into your own Web page -- generally considered nefarious, although not always wrong, especially if you have permission.

My proposed solution is to include "authorized" RSS URLs as meta-info on the MP3 file itself in an ID3 tag [wikipedia.org] . Podcasting clients would then need to look for this tag (call it "authorized-feeds" or somesuch) and, if present, alert the user in some fashion (custom icon?) that the feed is not the official feed and is unathorized to boot. Maybe even refuse to automatically download the enclosures without special prompting from the user.

It'd have to be downloaded first. (1)

handslikesnakes (659012) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221343)

My understanding is that ID3 tags are at the end of the file. Oh, and they're the stupidest metadata format evar. Up Ogg!

The Usage Axiom (2, Interesting)

Crash Culligan (227354) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221070)

This could be a variation of the "Law of Unintended Consequences."

Invent something new. There will be at least one person, each, who:

  1. thinks it's incredibly cool,
  2. thinks it's incredibly overblown,
  3. will try to profit from it by using it, and
  4. will try to profit from it by stealing someone else's work with it.

This must be the most useless slashdot thread ever (0, Redundant)

bill_kress (99356) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221079)

The breakdown of this thread so far:
20% I hate podcasting!
60% Stop making up new words!
19% Repeating the problem and saying it's "No big deal"
1% Noticing how useless these comments are.

There, now go on to the next article or get back to work.

You've got to be kidding (1)

madirish2600 (149913) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221119)

This is the silliest complaint I've heard since "someone is framing in my site!" Once again the open nature of the internet has befuddled those trying to turn a profit. So someone else is feeding into your RSS, so what? This wouldn't be any problem at all if you were producing content freely and openly. Just as http traffic is open, so is RSS. I think the fundamental problem here is one of design. The internet is designed for open sharing of information. Once you post something online you're bound to lose a great degree of control. You can always put up copyright notices, but the truth of the matter is that once you post the information to be FREELY requested by any machine connected to the internet you're pretty much giving it away.

``Podjacking'' summarized (4, Informative)

TrumpetPower! (190615) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221120)

1) Register evilpodjackingdomain.com.
2) Find somebody else's podcast.
3) Mirror that podcast's XML file at evilpodjackingdomain.dom/pwn3d.xml
4) Get evilpodjackingdomain.dom/pwn3d.xml listed in as many podcast directories as possible.
5) Wait.
6) Blackmail original podcaster with threats of modifying / removing your local mirror; all subscribers through evilpodjackingdomain.dom/pwn3d.xml would get whatever you want them to get regardless of what the podcaster wants.
7) Profit.

Cheers,

b&

Recent Father/Slashdotter Conversation (2, Funny)

Ranger (1783) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221125)

Father:*knock* *knock* Son, I need to use the RSStroom. [djspyhunter.com]

Slashdotter: **long pause** Go away. I'm busy!

Father: Open this door right now! You better not be podjacking in there!

Vegan Subscribed To The Service (1)

Real World Stuff (561780) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221127)

Not podkeys fault vegan forgot that he actively submitted his information and asked for the service.

...'It turns out that more than year ago, I responded to an email somebody sent me about podkeyword.com, and I gave the site a visit and submitted my URL for a few listings. When I launched my show in October of 2004 I went everywhere I could to post its URL, and I quickly forgot all about my five minute visit to podkeyword.

Some bloggers have since seized on this point and claim that I am at fault for what happened. One writes:

"It looks like Erik Marcus had 'asked' for this service, in the beginning. If he never requested the keyword, there would be a problem."

The truth is, it is irrelevant how podkeyword.com obtained my show's referring URL'
...

I'm taking this opportunity to invent another word, fuckingpretentiousmoronfuckpodder. Use at you leisure. On another note, Taco, where's your podcast...I seem to recall the /. crew was doing poddish stuff LONG before these fucks. Anyone recall Geeks In Space [thesync.com] .

Next on Slashdot! (1)

Xarius (691264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221136)

Podjacking added to the US English Dictionary!

Bringing you tomorrows news--today!

I don't get it (4, Insightful)

wampus (1932) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221159)

So, as I understand this, more people were listening to the podcast, because some aggregator site picked up his feed. Whats the problem here? Read your damn URI at the start and end of the show and be glad you are getting heard.

If you want absolute control over the content you are creating, start a regular radio station and pay the FCC for a monopoly on your slice of the air. Better hire some IP lawyers and invest heavily in DRM, too.

Article Summary (1)

springbox (853816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221179)

"Podjacking" (sic) - Someone has reigstered my Podcast at a directory listing service that points to an unofficial site without my permission!

Solution: Add a "copyright" tag to the official RSS feed that can be copied by anyone

embed official URL in mp3 metadata (2, Insightful)

AMusingFool (740537) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221199)

Seems like embedding the official URL in the mp3 metadata would be a good first step in establishing control.

Been There (4, Interesting)

somethinghollow (530478) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221211)

I noticed several sites were ripping off my content from my RSS feeds. Some of them are ad sites that, no doubt, gather like-minded blog posts, publish them on their site, and shit ads all over them. Others seem to be attempting to do some sort of service. What with Google punishing duplicate content posts, I don't want my content redistributed without my permission. So, I implemented a system with mod_rewrite and PHP on my site that checks the user agent before allowing access to any page. If the user agent is unknown, it shows a page saying that I don't know who they are but I'll see about allowing them access to my site. I then enter their user agent in a database, after doing some research, and decide whether to allow them or not. Eventually, I'm going to tie this into my robots.txt file so that it denies robots there (if they bother to look) in addition to showing the robot a access denied page.
 
It isn't the easiest solution (takes a lot of time to manage) and won't always work (e.g. they set their UA to one that looks like a valid browser or some other UA that I allow), but it clears most of the riffraff, i think.

So /. thinks linking /should/ be illegal now? (1)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221212)

I thought /. was against people getting lawyers involved because they didnt understand the purpose of URLs

Just verify referring URL? (3, Informative)

hafree (307412) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221214)

Why not just verify the referring URL before sending out the Podcast archive? This is how most sites avoid people deep-linking into theirs, or loading high-bandwidth content such as videos or even images from their web servers. This can be done by making your RSS feed dynamically generated by a CGI script, or even just using a htaccess file for the directory containing your podcast.

New Slashdot Poll (0)

LazloToth (623604) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221220)


iPods, and all things related to them, will become boring and possibly extinct in the time it took to:

- Lose my Palm Pilot and decide it wasn't worth finding;
- Lose my thumb drive, and pray that nobody intelligent found it;
- Recover from a case of intestinal gas;
- Install XFree86 from source code;
- Put down a sixpack;
- Configure a wireless connection in Linux;
- Remember my GPG key password;
- Find Cowboy Neal's number in the phonebook.

nice article (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14221226)

Nice article. It's a disturbing scenario. He offers good advise on how to avoid it. I feel like I learned a bit about the technical underpinnings of podcasting too.

I am hoping that podcasting will put a dent in the mostly monopolized radio and TV markets by offering fresh content from independent sources who don't need to have mucho dinero to start distributing their content. Eventually this freer market will hopefully let the better programming rise to the top...putting pressure on the TV and radio monopolists to get with it! I can't wait for the first show to be migrated from podcast to radio. That would be a newsworthy event.

I like his reference to the Creative Commons and how useful it is in such a situation.

Point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14221244)

This is the all time stupidest thing I have ever read on Slashdot. So some whiny guy got listed by a search engine with the wrong url. Cry me a fucking river.

Also, WTF does this have to do with 'Apple'?

Maddox (1, Interesting)

thaerin (937575) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221251)

Podcasting: It's snob for "streaming audio."

Copyright ain't that easy bub. (0, Flamebait)

NotoriousGOD (936922) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221285)

In order to mark information as copyright, you have to copyright it. Dumbass. http://www.copyright.gov/ [copyright.gov]

PodJacking - what about iPodJacking... (1)

TheGadgetGeek (779881) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221289)

And I figured this was a case of armed thugs coming up and stealing your shiny new 60gb iPod video with every episode of Fantasy Island loaded on it...

Um, could we call it PodPhishing or PodPharming? I really like the 'ph' thing we had going for all the 'security issues' that an ounce of "paying attention" would avoid/fix...

* ducks *

This is false. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14221296)

Podkeyword is NOT Podjacking anything. Read their website. [podkeyword.com]


In October 2004 Lambert setup a service for podcasters...

A technology that may have been before it's time. Podkey promoted it to the small number of podcasters including Adam Curry of the "daily source code" the first podcast, and Dawn and Drew. It appears that vegan.com may have registered cooking, and a number of other keywords in an attempt to promote there podcast. Erik Marcus asks George's service podkey to remove it. (he did) Erik Marcus claims he lost 1000 of 1500 users. (because the free service was working in itunes) Erik Marcus asked podkey to restore the keywords with conditions. podkey replies to Markus no conditions use as is or pay for something custom. Erik Marcus claims hijacking and extorion. Adam Curry plays a message from Erik. The story gains momentum.... PodKey becomes known as the hijackers. Podkey speaks with podkey user and national radio celebrity david lawrence of thedavidlawrenceshow.com. David Lawrence (a podkey user) begins demanding that the media hear the other side of the story. Lambert is on david national radio program. But the outrage continues... and more pundits voice an optionion many without hearing the facts or contacting podkey. Podkey user Kevin Devin comes to the defense of podkey and says - he had a similar problem and podkey helped them avoid the entire issue - and was more than pleasant... But the vigilante behavior continues.... The Story has teeth.... PodCasters and Listeners alike are scared... AND THEY SHOULD BE.

shitcasting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14221299)

FUCK SHITCASTING.

just because you notify listeners of your little 'radio-format' mp3 files via rss doesn't make them anything other than mp3 files. they really are not 'casted' anywhere you know. they sit right on your server. If i am notified of news headlines via rss, i don't call that 'newscasting', or 'podlines' or anything else, do you know why? because it is nothing but news.

also where the fuck again does the ipod specifically come into play here? oh yeah its hip.

seriously, the one good thing about this whole podcasting shit is that radio stations are releasing non drm, mp3 files a bit more than they were (think CBC). this is better than shitty rm/wma streams that seem to be their favorite. but having to hear fucking losers say 'podcast' almost negates the benefits.

podjacking, shitjacking, fuckkkkkk youuu.. when i read the headline i seriously thought that this guy was releasing instructions on how to defend yourself from some guy on the street who was trying to JACK your IPOD, and this would have been a much more interesting story, rather than some fuck ass shit about a new term. you "podcasters" deserve what you get. i think it would be funny if someone released a pdf on how to save your shiny new ipod when some guy decides he has seen enough fags walking around with an ipod proudly displayed on their belt and lame white headphones on.

is there some gang i can sign up for that works to destroy the podcast? (and maybe jack a few ipods and crush them while we are at it?)

The issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14221301)

The issue is not that he signed up with podkey initially, but that podkey published his content under their brand without his permission. Every other podcast aggregator references the official RSS feed so everyone gets the right address.

If Podkey had decided the vegan.com RSS should list info paid for by tyson food, nothing stops them for the people using their illegitimate RSS feed.

Why did everything MP3... (1)

PFI_Optix (936301) | more than 8 years ago | (#14221305)

...suddenly get "Pod" attached to it?

MP3 players were around for a long time before the iPod. Granted Apple made it idi...err...user-friendly, but can we PLEASE stop with the pod crap? It's almost as bad as the "i" that's been shoved in front over every word known to man since the debut of the iMac. Couldn't we just once stop being consumer whores long enough to pick a brand-neutral name for something?

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