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Linux Boots on Treo 650

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the i'll-boot-you-so-hard dept.

Handhelds 179

nilbog writes "A major leap forward has taken place in the development of Linux for the Treo 650. Grack.com has posted screenshots of a Cingular branded 650 displaying the familiar penguin logo. A discussion has sprung up over the the treo central forums where Shadowmite, one of the developers, has confirmed that it shouldn't be too long before they are able to get the phone's hardware working under linux. "

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SUCK IT SHITBASGS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14256758)

GKSDFL I WIN

Treo 600 (3, Insightful)

bhadreshl (841411) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256762)

Does it also work for Treo 600?

Re:Treo 600 (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257004)

I'm by no means an expert on this stuff, but I do own a Treo 600 (wanting a 650 or whatever comes next) however from what I've read the 600 and 650 use a different cpu architecture, so I'm pretty sure that this would not work. I know that the options for overclocking are more limited on the 600. If anyone knows this stuff better then me please correct.

Re:Treo 600 (3, Informative)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257820)

The 90, 180(?), and 300 are all Dragonball-based Palm OS 3.x (IIRC) and 4.x devices.

The 600 and 650 are both ARM-based (same CPU architecture - less OCing options doesn't necessarily mean a different architecture) Palm OS 5.x devices. IIRC, the main differences are the screen, and the 650's Bluetooth, and Flash memory instead of SDRAM for program storage.

Got some Kharma to burn here (0, Offtopic)

sheepab (461960) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256766)

Imagine a beowulf cluster of these. Maybe even a wireless beowulf cluster!

Re:Got some Kharma to burn here (2, Funny)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256782)

A Beowulf cluster? Bah. I trump thee with an OpenSSI cluster of Trios! Imagine the roaming charges....

Re:Got some Kharma to burn here (3, Funny)

MarkGriz (520778) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256840)

"Imagine a beowulf cluster of these"

Yeah, but you skipped right over the obvious "But does it run.... oh nevermind" joke.

BTW, you misspelled "karma". I've got some to burn as well. Can I get a -1 Spelling Nazi?

Re:Got some Kharma to burn here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14256926)

Scroo that, does it run the Sony rootkit (tm) ?!!

Re:Got some Kharma to burn here (2, Interesting)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257385)

Well, here is an article (sorry, in Russian) about a cluster of iPAQs (connected using IRDA): http://hard.compulenta.ru/2003/10/9/42473/ [compulenta.ru]

Re:Got some Kharma to burn here (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14256854)

Yes, but does it run GNOME?

Re:Got some Kharma to burn here (2, Funny)

gg3po (724025) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257242)

Yes, but does it run GNOME?

Not if Linus has anything to say [slashdot.org] about it! :-)

Slashdot that Treo! (3, Funny)

matthiasryan (936907) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256777)

But how long until we can slashdot a webserver running on a Treo 650?

It would be neat to do... (1)

Xserv (909355) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256805)

But it's already crashed.

already been done, (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14256783)

http://treo650hack.com [rewardhits.com]

Re:already been done, (1)

Liquorman (691815) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256806)

Don't fall for the previous poster's faux link to some spammy site!

Mod parent down (2, Informative)

xchino (591175) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256814)

Just a page hit whore, link goes nowhere useful.

Thank You Linux Virus (-1, Troll)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256792)

You spread onto all sorts of hardware, so it's not like anyone could write a decent operating system for them and compete.

Yes, I know my karma is going to suffer immensely for this, but it must be said. Linux spreads and spreads and spreads to all different sorts of hardware, but when are they going to slow down and open up space for other operating systems?

Why New Operating Systems Won't Stand a Chance [osnews.com]

Something really should change, and it would be rather nice if Linux could stop spreading itself onto every last piece of hardware in the world.

Re:Thank You Linux Virus (1)

bobintetley (643462) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256824)

This wouldn't have anything to do with you being the developer of another free kernel?

Besides, I hardly think Linux "spreads itself". Although that would be cool.

Re:Thank You Linux Virus (1)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256866)

It has everything to do with my being a kernel developer, of course. However, my motivation doesn't make my point any less valid.

Linux is a Unix clone that is spreading itself onto every bit of hardware imaginable. When is somebody going to decide they don't want Linux on the XYZ 123 (at which point Glider probably won't be ready to run on that system, but I can hope, pray and dream, can't I?) so that someone with a development team and an idea for a revolution that would finally move the OS world past Unix can come in and say "our system works great on the XYZ 123, won't you try it on your database box?"

Re:Thank You Linux Virus (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14256919)

Dude, you've got a mostly-empty Sourceforge page with an alpha version of a kernel that you're writing in fucking Pascal, and you can't understand why it's so hard for you to compete with Linux?

Well, you can keep on wondering, because if you don't get it already, there's no way anyone can explain it to you.

Re:Thank You Linux Virus (1)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256990)

Have you ever visited OSnews.com? Most of the kernels there are written in C/C++, and they can't seem to compete with Linux either.

I don't expect anyone to be using my kernel at alpha, before it's usable for much other than telling time. However, I've seen AmigaOS 4.0 and SkyOS and Syllable and nobody uses them, even though they're into real usable versions and written in C-derivatives.

Re:Thank You Linux Virus (1)

Vanders (110092) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257041)

It's very early to be talking about OSs like Syllable competing with Linux. None of the core Syllable developers even use Syllable full time, so we wouldn't expect anyone else to do so at the moment either. I suspect your definition of "real usable" and the vast majority of users is very different. Yes, Syllable is usable, and early in 2006 some of us will hopefully start to use Syllable much more heavily.

Placing yourself in competition with an OS the size of Linux takes a lot of time and effort. It takes even more effort to succeed.

Current OS's arn't competiting with Linux right now because we're not in a position to compete, not because of the size of Linux. If you want to gain market share in the Open Source world you need to produce a better product, that's all.

Re:Thank You Linux Virus (1)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257080)

However, in the OSS world one of the stepping stones to gaining market share is gaining developers, which is where both of us are forced to compete with Linux right now.

Perhaps, that then, is the change that needs to be made: less fanaticism for *nix and more general coding for alternative OS's. If either you or I made the claim we didn't want a nice community helping us hack our code we'd be lying, but most of those hackers that exist do so for Linux.

Re:Thank You Linux Virus (1)

MrLizardo (264289) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257757)

FreeBSD doesn't seem to be doing too badly, and it's competing right in Linux's own backyard: x86. The problem isn't some kind of Linux conspiracy, it's that people want a usable system without having to write half the userland themselves while hacking on the kernel. This also explains the obsession with Unix-workalikes: They already have lots of usable programs. If you're going to start from scratch you have to accept that there will be a huge time investment before anyone else cares. Maybe Linux seems like it got popular overnight (only took 14 years right?), but keep in mind that RMS had been hacking on the GNU tools since 10 years before Linux's inception. So, yes I'm all for new ideas and I like trying out new OSes, but don't try and blame the amorphous cloud that is Linux for somehow keeping people from trying new OSes.

-Mr. Lizard

Re:Thank You Linux Virus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14257018)

Not only that, but the archive seems to be corrupted...

Re:Thank You Linux Virus (1)

aonaran (15651) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256980)

Isn't it a little early for you to be getting bitter about competition with Linux?
You only just made your first code release 9 days ago and the only information I can find about it is it's coded in Pascal and it finally boots and recognizes IRQ. I think there's a few years of development and some communication about what you can do well (when you have somethinig that you can do) before you need to get upset about Linux beating you to new hardware.

Re:Thank You Linux Virus (2, Insightful)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256981)

When is somebody going to decide they don't want Linux on the XYZ 123 (at which point Glider probably won't be ready to run on that system, but I can hope, pray and dream, can't I?) so that someone with a development team and an idea for a revolution that would finally move the OS world past Unix can come in and say "our system works great on the XYZ 123, won't you try it on your database box?"

You realize you're welcome to do that at any time. It's not as if the Treo folk came in and said "Make Linux run on this."

Re:Thank You Linux Virus (1)

JourneymanMereel (191114) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256998)

And you can't say that now because Linux is also capable of running on a piece of hardware? Does your OS work better on said device than Linux or not... because if the answer is "yes" then it shouldn't matter if linux can be ported to said device. The only reason it should matter is if your OS is inferior to Linux and you're hoping to get defacto acceptance.

Re:Thank You Linux Virus (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14257281)

You're right - your motivation doesn't make your point less valid. The fact that it's complete garbage is what does that.
  It's not our responsibility in the linux community that you want a bit of fame for yourself for starting yet another kernel project. Writing a kernel from scratch is a hobbyist activity, or at best in order to fulfill some odd purpose on strange hardware. The fact that the linux kernel boots on something doesn't preclude you porting your kernel to it. Don't for a moment kid yourself that the only reason that nobody cares what your kernel runs on is that linux already does. The real reason is you haven't created anything of note. Make something better than linux, with more hardware support, and then you can complain about the "linux virus".

Despite my nasty "how-dare-you-attack-the-precious" tone, I agree with you in a way. Moving on from unix is a lofty goal, well worth working on. Don't be yet another radical loud-mouthed conspiracy theorist dumbass troll programmer. We have more than enough of those.

Linux Logo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14256795)

Somehow displaying the Linux logo doesn't really add up to a fully installed system to me :).
When are they actually going to run linux?

Major leap forward? (5, Insightful)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256809)

I'm sorry, but getting something to display the penguin logo is not a major leap forward for anything. Furthermore the display of the pengin logo is not proof of linux running.

Re:Major leap forward? (5, Insightful)

Rayban (13436) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256944)

Both of those are understandable points, but I'll address them here:

For the former, it's just showing that it's possible to run Linux at all on the phone. We've got all the pieces available (Linux Kernel, GPE environment, GSM/CDMA AT command set etc.), it's just a matter of connecting all the those pieces together to create a full open-source GSM/CDMA phone on highly-available hardware.

For the latter, you'll need to just trust that it's actually working (note that a lot of the hardware is supported by the handhelds.org kernel already). It's also using the PXA27x processor - a very well-documented and well-understood processor with open specifications.

Re:Major leap forward? (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257116)

So how long before we get a Treo basied beatbox?

It would rule if: (1)

jim_v2000 (818799) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257571)

Someone made a Linux distro for handhelds...in particular one that would run on an Palm OS capable device. Or even just devices that run Palm OS 5. I would totally run it on my Clie. A suite of handheld apps with it would be nice too.

Re:It would rule if: (1)

daddymac (244954) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257753)

There are some handheld linux distros. Check out linuxdevices.com [linuxdevices.com] for an example of what people have been working on.

Re:Major leap forward? (3, Insightful)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257790)

"highly-available" doesn't mean what you think it means. What you mean to say is that it's something you can easily buy. Availability is the "A" in RAS (reliablity, availability, servicability). Saying a piece of computer hardware is highly available doesn't mean it's easily bought!

For those willing to buy a Treo 650 and the phone service with it, what can a Linux port offer that's more desirable than what they get out of the box? Are you going to get the same SMS/MMS/email capability, the same productivity apps, the same phone integration, the same data capabilities that you get already? The same sync capability with your desktop? Are open source apps better than the ones available for the 650 now at doing the things that a Treo owner wants to do? Pretty much no on all counts. Linux may be cool on a Treo like it is on other things but it isn't useful.

Well Linux on Asus Mypal716 is almost user ready (1)

mu22le (766735) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257147)

A port of Familiar [slashdot.org] for the Asus Mypal716 is almost ready for prime time, just come and see! [handhelds.org]

This would be a lot easier (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257218)

if someone would just write a palmOS app that displays the penguin on your screen.

Don't let it get out! (1)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257606)

We don't want people to know that porting Linux is just that easy!

If you have any questions, feel free to ask here (5, Informative)

Rayban (13436) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256822)

I'm the guy who was doing the porting work. If you have any questions, feel free to ask them here and save my poor blog's comment system.

It was a good thing I coralized all my images an hour ago!

Re:If you have any questions, feel free to ask her (4, Informative)

Rayban (13436) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256847)

For those wondering if it's real, I've been working closely with Shadowmite (the Treo Hacker extraordinaire) and you can track our progress on his forum [shadowmite.com] or the not-as-up-to-date Handhelds.org Palm Treo 650 Wiki Page [handhelds.org] .

We've also started documenting a lot of the hacking stuff we've discovered on the Shadowmite wiki [shadowmite.com] .

Re:If you have any questions, feel free to ask her (3, Interesting)

strredwolf (532) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256858)

Looks like you got a bug there with the framebuffer being offset like that.

Any word on if you're going to bundle Opie or GPE on it?

Re:If you have any questions, feel free to ask her (4, Informative)

Rayban (13436) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256877)

That was a bug in the LCD initialization. Actually, we weren't initializing the LCD at all - we let the phone's bootloader do that.

I managed to get that stuff working last night by setting the GPIOs correctly. The handhelds.org Linux kernel sets a GPIO (L_BIAS) that fubars the LCD. The latest version has the framebuffer working correctly (although I disabled the penguin for more screen real-estate ;)).

You can check out my blog at grack.com for updates.

Re:If you have any questions, feel free to ask her (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257497)

As a Treo600 user, with T-Mobile service, I greet this news warmly.
Except that T-Mobile's website doesn't offer the 600 anymore, much less the 650.
The thought of running Linux on a cel-phone and connecting reliably with my Gentoo laptop is quite nice.
Yet none of the providers seem to share my excitment.
Why? Is the infrastructure simply not there to support lots of people moving packets on cel phone networks?

Re:If you have any questions, feel free to ask her (3, Interesting)

bfree (113420) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256928)

How much communication is happening amongst the various Palm PXA developers, for example I just noticed the hackndev.com link has arrived on your handhelds.org wiki page. Garux seems to have spawned a lot of interest and it seems the machines are generally quite similar, so could we prehaps see a "distro" released for PXA Palms?

Re:If you have any questions, feel free to ask her (4, Informative)

Rayban (13436) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256976)

We've opened the communicatation channels to share information. There are two other Palm PXA ports already - the LifeDrive and PalmTE ports. We can share a *lot* between those projects, but there's still a fair bit of information to gather for each individual device (ie: the LifeDrive has Wifi/USB off-chip, etc.).

I hope that we can all help develop a single distribution that would work on all three devices. It would certainly help lower the porting load. Also, those guys seem to have gotten pretty far - The LifeDrive guy already booted GPE!

This is where open source really shines...

Re:If you have any questions, feel free to ask her (2, Interesting)

bfree (113420) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257378)

I don't really know (but guess you do) how many "ports" there are, but it seems to me the LifeDrive, TE(2), Treo650, TT(2|3) and Z72 are all potential targets for the one code-base/distro, it seems the core Palm PXA hardware is all quite similar. Between them it's also quite a range of machines, it will be interesting to see what will/won't work (bluetooth, Z72 camera, LD wifi, Treo Phone) and what uses people will put them to ... to ask a question again, do you have a personal itch you are scratching with this (a way to use your treo) or are you simply doing this "because you can"?

screenshots (1)

halr9000 (465474) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257099)

Wow that thing is filthy when seen in macro mode. I think you need to dust your Treo, man.

Re:If you have any questions, feel free to ask her (1)

gg3po (724025) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257177)

I have a Treo 600. Is there any chance your work will be able to be ported to the 600, or will it be exclusively Treo 650?

Re:If you have any questions, feel free to ask her (4, Interesting)

AugstWest (79042) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257215)

Would it be possible to boot Linux from the SD card, or must the phone be flashed?

Re:If you have any questions, feel free to ask her (4, Informative)

Rayban (13436) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257577)

The plan is to boot from the SD card eventually. Right now we just load the kernel into RAM and boot from there. There's no risk to your data with this method.

Cool, a Treo with a real OS! (-1, Troll)

doublem (118724) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257225)

How on Earth did you get Linux to run on a platform designed for such a joke of an almost OS????

Re:Cool, a Treo with a real OS! (1)

MrLizardo (264289) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257563)

The same way that geeks got Linux booting on the Mac G3s designed for MacOS 8. Also, you may be interested to know that Palm switched from those horrible 16MHz Motorollas quite a while ago and now most (all?) PalmOS handhelds just have ARM (or ARM compatible) CPUs like everyone else.

Re:Cool, a Treo with a real OS! (1)

doublem (118724) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257701)

Whatever the hardware, the Palm OS is still a sad, unstable, pathetic joke.

Hell, my experiences with Palm were so bad, I went back to a pen and paper day planner, and haven't looked back!

Re:Cool, a Treo with a real OS! (1)

Silverstrike (170889) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257859)

Well, thats why Palm decided to release the next Treo with Windows Mobile.

yea yea, I know this is Slashdot and anything Windows is a hideous computing platform, but honestly, PalmOS is worse.

Re:If you have any questions, feel free to ask her (1)

gg3po (724025) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257265)

Even if you get the phone part working (which it sounds like you're well on the way to doing), how will you make it work with each distinct service provider (Sprint, T-Mobile, or whoever else), and with the correct user account?

Re:If you have any questions, feel free to ask her (4, Informative)

Rayban (13436) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257440)

Most of that stuff gets handled by the radios. Both the GSM (Broadcom, I think) and CDMA (Qualcom) radios are full-fledged devices of their own with CPUs and firmware. The CDMA radio uses GSM AT commands, making a phone app just a thin wrapper over a serial port. It's like dialing a modem.

Locking? (2, Interesting)

Del Vach (449393) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257387)

I've currently got a 650 from our good friends at Cingular, who love tormenting me with their commercials about what great coverage they provide, despite the 0 bars I get at home. I'm curious to know:

  - Will a 650 running Linux still be locked to the provider's network?
  - For us lightweights, will it be possible to revert back to PalmOS after installing this?
  - Might there be a possibility of dual booting between Palm & Linux?

Personally I'd love to finally get some use out of the 1GB card I bought for the thing, especially if I could basically use the presence of a card to select the OS it boots with.

Re:Locking? (4, Informative)

Rayban (13436) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257420)

I'll answer these one-by-one:

    - Will a 650 running Linux still be locked to the provider's network?

Yes. The lock is enforced by the GSM radio, not PalmOS itself. If you have an unlock code, however, we can use it to unlock the radio for any sim card.

    - For us lightweights, will it be possible to revert back to PalmOS after installing this?

Yes. It doesn't replace PalmOS right now at all - it runs entirely in RAM. See answer below too.

    - Might there be a possibility of dual booting between Palm & Linux?

Yes. The plan is to replace System.bprc with one capable of booting Linux off the SD card when you hold down a certain key. This way you can just soft-reset into the other OS as you need.

BFD (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14256844)

What's next? A toilet that'll boot Linux? Give me a break!

Re:BFD (1)

goofyspouse (817551) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256937)

Heh-heh...flush the cache...heh-heh...

Yes, actually it will.. (3, Funny)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257024)

The best thing is that now you can update your bathrooms to a full "paperless" system. The whole thing works off the USB drive. It not only cleans, but re-formats as well.

{...at this point, men in white suits appear and start dragging StressGuy away..}

Wait! I've got a couple more!...Imagine a Beowulf cluster.....

{...men in white suits now give StressGuy a "sedative"...}

YAWN.... (1)

xTantrum (919048) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257056)

...device running linux. Why oh why does linux have to run on everything including the kitchen sink? i was actually much more interested in what he had to say about .NET [grack.com] wake me when you have minix running on the blackberry or the 700W.

Treo vs PPC (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256860)

I love my HP h6315, PDA phone, GPRS, WiFi, Bluetooth. Great apps, great screen, great battery life.

Unfortunately HP & Tmobile discontinued it. I finally broke it (ripped out charging port) and can't find a replacement. The blackberry is a joke. Zero use for me, worst interface ever.

The treo feels nice but that OS sucks. With Linux, though, everything changes.

The only thing I need beyond that is 320x240 res, WiFi and Bluetooth. Any Treo users know if it's possible?

Re:Treo vs PPC (3, Informative)

elleomea (749084) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256929)

The 650 has a 320x320 resolution and integrated Bluetooth support. Currently as far as I'm aware there's only an odd WiFi sled type device (hooks over the whole of the back of the Treo making it a fair bit thicker, but also supplying an extra battery).

Re:Treo vs PPC (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257044)

Thanks. I'll pick one up today, doesn't hurt to be prepared.

Re:Treo vs PPC (4, Informative)

Rayban (13436) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257074)

That's the Enfora WiFi sled. It's a nifty little device that works pretty well. The cool thing is that it uses PPP over the Treo's USB port, so it'll be supported under Linux with minimal work.

Re:Treo vs PPC (4, Informative)

WhiteDragon (4556) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257075)

As you said, the treo 650 has built in bluetooth, and 320x320 resolution. I think I heard about somebody (probably shadowmite again) hacking in some sdio wifi drivers... *checks google* yes, here [engadget.com] it is.

Re:Treo vs PPC (1)

speculatrix (678524) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257464)

hacking in some sdio wifi drivers

the last I heard, SDIO wasn't an open specification and there were doubts as to whether it would be "legal" for SDIO to be implemented by a GPL'd project.

embwise have an SDIO stack but it's closed/proprietary

as a Zaurus user (all the latest models are wired for SDIO, but only support SD memory [and max. 1GB because Sharp's driver is crap]) sdio in linux is eagerly awaited.

Paul

Re:Treo vs PPC (1)

bfree (113420) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257884)

SD/SDIO on Linux was explained recently at linuxdvices.com [linuxdevices.com] .

Re:Treo vs PPC (1)

CaptnMArk (9003) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257568)

Does anyone know about the h?4700 model?

Re:Treo vs PPC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14257717)

I've had bad experiences with *several* treo 650's crashing/etc.

Check out the HTC Wizard [geek.com] (aka Qtek 9100, i-mate K-Jam, etc). Cingular's supposed to be coming out with their version in January.

Pity there are few completer-finishers (4, Insightful)

Darius Jedburgh (920018) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256887)

I'm sure this will be yet another one of those ports where someone proves it can be done but nobody actually finishes the job to the point where someone could actually use it for something, let alone actually supporting it.

Re:Pity there are few completer-finishers (4, Funny)

Absolut187 (816431) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257079)

>>
"I'm sure this will be yet another one of those ports where someone proves it can be done but nobody actually finishes the job to the point where someone could actually use it for something, let alone actually supporting it."
>>

You mean like the x86 port?

I'm going to get flamed for this, huh?

Linux Boots Stats (0, Offtopic)

igny (716218) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256910)

The submission does not provide any stats on the aforementioned boots. I just assume these boots are unique and likely give some bonus to stamina, though I doubt they are for faster run/walk. I also expect can not be frozen bonus. Could anyone elaborate on other bonuses?

Re:Linux Boots Stats (1)

grimJester (890090) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257191)

They go well with a tuxedo, but make you waddle a bit.

Who damn well cares? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14256912)

I'm never quite sure whether these stories are a celebration of the fact that Linux actually boots on something or whether they should be treated with, well, so what? The damn thing boots on the boot sector that boots my toaster.

The future is now! (5, Funny)

deathbyzen (897333) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256973)

In the future, the proof of a person's technical skill will be based on their ability to boot linux on random objects. Those who are able to get a bash prompt on a toaster oven will be gods that walk among us, constantly harping on our choice of distribution.

Re:The future is now! (1)

maxx_730 (909644) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257327)

Yep. At the moment im listening to music on my iPod with iPodlinux, browsing slashdot with my pc running on linux and sending an sms with my linux phone :-) Gotta love being able to install linux on every random piece of hardware, don't ya?

wasn't palm moving toward the linux kernel? (1)

DarkClown (7673) | more than 8 years ago | (#14256974)

seems like semi-recently that there were grumblings of the palm os moving over to a linux kernel in a future os release.
something like speculation about them partnering with montavista?

Re:wasn't palm moving toward the linux kernel? (1)

DrRiffic (52953) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257049)

According to this [palmsource.com] , looks like its not a rumor.

pssh (4, Interesting)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257003)

This is cool and all, but for those who want to use unix on a treo now, check out pssh [sealiesoftware.com] , which allows you to ssh into a functioning unix box from palmOS. It works quite well and, while it's not the same as having linux on the local file system, it allows you to use unix remotely without sacrificing the apps available on palmOS (e.g. the phone, the organizer, and everything else you probably bought the treo for in the first place). Not to put down this project -- I'm all for putting linux on anything and everything -- but this has a long way to go before you have a usable system.

Re:pssh (1)

Rayban (13436) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257211)

w3m over pssh works very well indeed!

Linux on Asus Mypal716 is almost user ready! (1)

mu22le (766735) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257124)

A port of Familiar [slashdot.org] for the Asus Mypal716 is almost ready for prime time, just come and see! [handhelds.org]

Killer App (5, Funny)

tinytim (25110) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257156)

Everyone seems to be missing the obvious killer app here...

POSE

http://www.calliopeinc.com/palmprog2/tutorial/s1-p ose.html [calliopeinc.com] test

Emulate a palm, on your palm.

Re:Killer App (1)

ThogScully (589935) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257453)

This would really make switching to Linux a whole lot easier - being able to keep the Treo working "as it is now" while improving the functionality significantly behind the scenes. Personally, I like a lot of the Palm interfaces and applications. As much as I prefer linux for about about everything else, I think I'd act with a less hesitation to make a permanent switch (or at least a time-consuming back and forth) if I could run a Palm emulator.
-N

Re:Killer App (1)

bfree (113420) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257860)

The company formerly known as PalmSource hopes there are many more like you out there. They intend their next OS to be a release of the Palm tools for a Linux core.

Re:Killer App (1)

hacker (14635) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257779)

Of course, you realize POSE does not support OS5 devices or the ARM processor. It will only emulate the OS4 and earlier devices, of which the Treo650 is not.

New slogan (2, Funny)

giantsfan89 (536448) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257228)

Can you GNU/Hear me now? Good!

I've got a novel idea.... (2, Funny)

Chris Bradshaw (933608) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257351)

I've got a novel idea, how about using it as a phone...? I know I'm kinda out there, but hey - We have the technology, and a talented bunch of developers out there in the OSS community. So what the hell, let's give it a shot...

But I can't get Linux to boot on my PC! (1)

giant_toaster (850764) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257419)

Not fair when I have spent all week trying to install Debian on my completely normal PC... Maybe I should by a Treo.....

Re:But I can't get Linux to boot on my PC! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14257733)

(try ubuntu)

Good Job Shadowmite!! (1)

stox (131684) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257430)

This is quite a milestone, I can't wait to run Linux on my 650. Keep up the good work, and many thanks for the work you have done so far.

Look! I got Linux to run on my Motorola V60 too! (4, Funny)

squison (546401) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257536)

Here's the Proof! [sakeful.com]

Congrats...now what to do with it? (0, Troll)

BassKadet (936182) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257776)

Lovely, you ported Linux onto a PDAphone. Why? Why not try to load Windows on there. At least then you could have it do something more useful than stroke the ego.

Pointless, really. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14257818)

Yes, it takes effort to make a port. And good job to the author. BUT

1) The Treo on PlamOS is dead. The new treos will be Windows whatever for phones.

2) Manufactors like Motorla have announced JUIX (Java and Linux) on new phones and claims this is going to be a supported platform beyond the E895 and A910 models.

So if ya wanna be excited, contact Motorola and ask them what the status of support for the E895/A910 at www.motocoder.com. Because Motorola seems to want to offer a 'Linux' phone and claims they will offer more phones like it.

So why get excited over a dead-end offering VS what appears to be a living, breathing and hopefully long lived line of phones?

Linux boots on everything (1)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14257895)

Linux would boot on a toaster if someone put their mind to it. This is probably the one saving grace of Linux is its ease of being embedded in just about anything with a micro-controller in it.

The problem is that while there is usually a huge drive to get something to boot linux, once it finally does there is less enthusiasm and patience into turning into a viable comercial product.

Its the hobby like nature of Linux which is also its Achillies Heel. A lot of enthusiasm can be generated pretty quickly, but also be deflated just as easily. Making something boot with Linux is far easier then making it stable and supporting it fully. For instance, take the idea of booting the iPod with Linux. It's a great idea, especially considering you can then support ANY file format on the cool iPod, but after about 2 years they still are not any closer to making it a usuable product. As each new generation of iPod comes out with new features, the idea of a linux distro for the iPod platform drifts further and further away as less people focus on trying to support new features with the iPod linux build.

So, in the end, getting Linux to boot a Treo isn't ground breaking or earth shattering. I doubt any real product will arise from this and offer an alternative to the retail OS that ships with it. Eventually they will find it difficult to support all the features of the Treo and more and more people will drift away from the project in favour of booting linux on the next gimmick or fad product that hits the market.
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