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MSIE To Adopt Firefox Feed Icon

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the icons-are-power dept.

Internet Explorer 289

An anonymous reader writes " Forbes article is reporting that Microsoft 'forthcoming Internet Explorer 7 browser will adopt Firefox's RSS feed icon, the company announced on a blog--effectively making the orange square with white radio waves the industry standard.' "

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289 comments

Dupe it up. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291256)

I'd like to see dupe control on Slashdot..

Re:Dupe it up. (5, Funny)

mkavanagh2 (776662) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291454)

I'd like to see dupe control on Slashdot..

This exact comment has already been posted. Try to be more original...


Well damn.

Re:Dupe it up. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291509)

I'd like to see dupe control on slashdot.

Re:Dupe it up. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291549)

I'd like to see dupe control on Slashdot..

This exact comment has already been posted. Try to be more original...


Well damn.

Re:Dupe it up. (5, Funny)

Rei (128717) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291584)

Where's mod "+1, Redundant" when you need it? :)

Radio Waves?! (5, Funny)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291258)

They look identical to mind control waves to me.

Re:Radio Waves?! (2)

cciRRus (889392) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291327)

First, there're ActiveX exploits, and now, IE comes with mind-controling waves?

*puts on my tinfoil hat*

Re:Radio Waves?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291331)

Mind control... from Slashdot, just to make us think it is not a dupe

Re:Radio Waves?! (0, Redundant)

DenDave (700621) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291414)

Yeah, and they reflected straight off the atmosphere and came back to /.

Good morning duplicate!

Crazy, Crazy Dupe... (5, Informative)

broeken (603015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291263)

WOW- that's embarrassing...

Re:Crazy, Crazy Dupe... (1)

JPriest (547211) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291482)

We may even have a trifecta.

Re:Crazy, Crazy Dupe... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291491)

I think I'll run an experiment. I'll submit a story to Slashdot and link to an identical story previously posted on Slashdot. The dupes will compond to make a MEGADUPE.

Either that or Taco won't post anything for a week while trying to figure out if it's a dupe or not.

Re:Crazy, Crazy Dupe... (1)

g0at (135364) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291537)

Well, CmdrTaco posted it. Are you surprised?

Slashdot: arrogant heads up the collective ass!

-b

Good News (4, Insightful)

Necrotica (241109) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291264)

I really like seeing Microsoft conforming to a standard instead of attempting to create one. It may just be an icon, but it's something!

Re:Good News (3, Insightful)

Giometrix (932993) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291311)

Is it a standard? From the blurb it seems like it is now effictively a standard because all of the major browsers are using it.

Re:Good News (1)

SIGALRM (784769) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291593)

Perhaps Microsoft can demonstrate prior art and apply for a patent?

(cat tongue > cheek)

Embrace & Extend (5, Funny)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291347)

In typical Microsoft style, they'll probably change a few pixels making their version of the logo completely incompatible with the industry standard logo.

Re:Embrace & Extend (5, Funny)

fyrie (604735) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291568)

Or worse, they will slowly change it pixel by pixel until one day it resembles a small goatse.

Re:Good News (2, Interesting)

FireFury03 (653718) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291444)

Is the icon covered by the GPL? If so Microsoft may potentially be opening themselves up for legal action.

(No, this isn't a dig at Microsoft or a dig at the GPL, it's just something that needs to be considered)

Re:Good News (2, Informative)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291540)

I'm pretty sure that graphics are not part of the code, and therefore aren't covered by the GPL. Most of the time, icons in free software are covered by the Creative Commons License, and therefore, I think, Microsoft would have no legal problems using them, and not releasing their source code.

Re:Good News (4, Informative)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291612)

Read the article.

Representatives of giant Microsoft's Redmond, Wash.-based IE7 team even took a trip down to tiny Mozilla's Mountain View, Calif. offices to work out a deal.

Presumably, they got permission.

Re:Good News (1)

AviLazar (741826) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291628)

It is nice when they do that, but you gotta enjoy irony of MS power...once they conform to the standard, it is considered an accepted standard....considering the majority of people utilize IE then it is reality (even though something the techie community wishes it was not).

Super Dupe (4, Informative)

weenis (656512) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291267)

This is one of those articles that should be deleted real quick

Sue Them! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291268)

I'm sure Microsoft has sued for less.

Fascinating new development! (4, Informative)

Junky191 (549088) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291269)

Re:Fascinating new development! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291337)

It's not the same story. They came from different departments. (from the working-together-to-make-the-internet-better dept. vs from the icons-are-power dept.)

Re:Fascinating new development! (1)

aurb (674003) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291669)

Competition is good.

Re:Fascinating new development! (4, Funny)

stevesliva (648202) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291381)

Not enough can be said about this one icon.

Re:Fascinating new development! (1)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291438)

From the dupe: "The Microsoft Team RSS blog is reporting that IE7 is adopting the RSS icon used in Firefox.

Adopting it? Has the icon become a foundling? Bill Gates opens up his office door and finds a basket with an orange icon it and a note pinned to it saying "Please adopy my icon and give it a good home, we are no longer able to care for it."?

Re:Fascinating new development! (1)

azosx (568180) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291673)

Oh what I wouldn't have given to be that icon!

MSIE To Adopt Slashdot DUPE Icon (1, Redundant)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291271)


Story is a dupe...original story can be found here [slashdot.org] .

TMM beaten to the punch? (1, Flamebait)

tpgp (48001) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291343)

I'm sorry Mr Monkey, you have just posted a duplicate comment.

And not just any dupe!

1) AC beates TMM [slashdot.org]
2) Broeken beates TMM [slashdot.org]
3) Weenis beates TMM [slashdot.org]
4) Junky191 beates TMM [slashdot.org]

So what do we call your post? A quintadupe? I hope you're asking for a new subscription for christmas!

Seriously - so what if Slashdot posts the odd dupe - its not like they can post what 20 odd links a day without occasionally covering the same ground.

And I for one like to see the odd story revisited...

Re:MSIE To Adopt Slashdot DUPE Icon (1)

Evro (18923) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291377)

Maybe, like me, CmdrTaco blocks Zonk's stories? This was news to me!

This was already on /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291272)

CmdrTaco you're doomed

Previously Seen (0, Redundant)

ThePolkapunk (826529) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291273)

Previously announced here [slashdot.org]

Re:Previously Seen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291451)

Slashdot is old and busted. Paid reviews of products, endless dupes, and idiotic "editors" are only the tip of the iceberg.

The only thing good about Slashdot is trolling, like what this post is doing.

Thankfully we have digg.com.

ARRGH (0, Troll)

KingVance (815011) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291279)

Open source stuff or not, I would throw a fit to stop that out of sheer general principles due to the way microsoft behaves over that crap.

After thinking a second...

IANAL but isnt the software free, but not neccesarily the artistic assets?

Re:ARRGH (1)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291390)

The owners of the particular artwork apparently gave their blessing to MS.

Re:ARRGH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291400)

UANAL? Dang man...

Heh (4, Insightful)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291281)

Only with Microsoft is it the icon that becomes the standard and not the technology. It's funny because now this "standard" will represent both Mozilla's normal RSS and Microsoft's embraced and extended RSS.

Re:Heh (1)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291387)

RSS uses XML. XML is, you know, extensible? Why is Microsoft taking advantage of this standard a bad thing?

Re:Heh (2, Insightful)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291508)

The reason XML is extensible is so that you can use it to create standards like RSS. If you then extend RSS then it is no longer really RSS. It's just like language. The English language is extensible, you can make up new words to describe new things. But that doesn't mean you can change the definitions of words without telling people during a debate and then act like your opponent is an idiot, a la Clinton with the defition of "is."

Re:Heh (1)

FireFury03 (653718) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291524)

RSS uses XML. XML is, you know, extensible? Why is Microsoft taking advantage of this standard a bad thing?

Extending *standards* is one thing, extending arbitrarilly is bad because when the software than most people use extends the functionality, people start using the new functionality and excluding software that doesn't support it which means everyone else has to play catch-up to add the new defacto features to their software. For RSS this might not be such a big deal since the format is basically pure informational data, but for other formats such as (X)HTML which contain meta-data like display formatting it starts to get difficult to use software that doesn't support all the features that are being used. This problem is made worse when the developers only test on the "leading" platform.

Re:Heh (3, Informative)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291576)

The RSS standard is meant to be extendable, the creators realised it wouldnt cover all circumstances and situations. Get over it.

Linky [harvard.edu] .

Re:Heh (2, Insightful)

Niten (201835) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291569)

The RSS specifications are specific subsets of XML, and RSS readers have to know how to interpret that XML. When Microsoft starts to change the RSS spec, and if others decide to use Microsoft's features, then there's a good chance that users of non-Microsoft RSS client software will be effectively locked out of these feeds. It really doesn't matter whether it's XML or not (or more generally, human-readable or not), because by trying to shove new features into the RSS specification outside of the official channels for doing so, Microsoft is trying to tell the independent developers "now you need to conform to OUR standard, or our large user base will ensure that your software becomes incompatible with all that content your users want to access."

Fortunately, I think there's a pretty good chance it won't work this time. A great deal of news feeds are generated by open source software such as LiveJournal's engine and Wordpress, and I think the authors of such software would be less likely than most to cave in to a new "standard" just because Microsoft says so. There's already a huge amount of RSS content out there, even if Microsoft users have been missing out on it so far. Hopefully, when all is said and done, it will be Microsoft following the standard, and not the other way around.

I liked this story better... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291284)

...when it was new 4 days ago. [slashdot.org]

Please read your own website, CmdrTaco...

Re:I liked this story better... (1)

stretch0611 (603238) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291374)

I liked this story better...
...when it was new 4 days ago.

Actually I thought the story was just as boring and non-newsworthy then.

Copyright Issues (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291285)

Any copyright issues with the use of those icons?

On the four day of Christmas... (5, Funny)

JoeLinux (20366) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291288)

My true love gave to me:

4 trolls a trollin' 3 goatse links 2 mods asleep, and a dupe from only 4 days ago... [slashdot.org]

Ok, time for the mods to drink from the kiddy egg nog. Lay off the stiff stuff.

Re:On the four day of Christmas... (1)

Viper Daimao (911947) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291460)

Looks like someone got it from the Digg dupe [digg.com] from around 7:30AM CT.

Re:On the four day of Christmas... (1)

Surt (22457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291562)

At least they are rarely duping two articles on the frontpage these days. 4 days separation practically makes it a new article.

Dupes allow off topic posts, right? (0, Offtopic)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291290)

Since this is a dupe, I'd like to know if anyone has any experience with decent Bluetooth PC Cards. Windows 2000 and Windows XP support is all I really need. Low power usage is definitely a plus.

I'm using various USB dongles, but they constantly get broken off or lost. A permanent addition to my cheap laptops would be great.

Re:Dupes allow off topic posts, right? (0, Offtopic)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291332)

I don't know any Bluetooth cards for PC that are specifically good (my mac has it built in), but what I do know is that they should all use very little power unless they are designed incorrectly or something. The main advantage of Bluetooth over WiFi is that it uses only 1% of the power (assuming you have it set to the normal 30 foot range).

Re:Dupes allow off topic posts, right? (2)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291350)

Didn't realize that, regarding power. Interesting!

I'm probably going to get the Belkin CF card with a PC Card adapter. I generally hate Belkin but we have a reseller account somewhere so I can get a deal on it :)

All my newer laptops have BT built in, but I tend to customize and sell them too quickly. The older lease-outs I've picked up work fine, even if they're outdated. What I'd really like (but can't justify) would be a BT/WiFi/GPRS/EDGE PC Card for complete wireless connectivity. Maybe through in CDPD for old times sake.

Grr... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291298)

I had thought this was not a dupe, and in fact my time machine had worked =\... Back to the drawing board!

wow (5, Funny)

ekeyser (322808) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291299)

this is some real interesting news. stuff that matters.

Standardisation is nice but... (5, Interesting)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291306)

... I'd prefer it if they went with Safari's blue rectangle with "RSS" written in white on it.

The "cone of spherically propagating waves" design is so overused (and mostly associated with wireless networking) and has nothing to do with RSS feeds to me.

Maybe MS got tired of copying Apple and decided to Think Different for once ;-)

Re:Standardisation is nice but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291328)

Acronyms suck because they have to be translated for different languages.

Re:Standardisation is nice but... (1)

in7ane (678796) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291366)

I wonder how KDE gets away with a K in their logo then. For different languages the letters are just part of the graphic if they can not interpret them, so it's not a problem.

Re:Standardisation is nice but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291520)

Man it must suck then with us serving HTML and CSS using CGI, PHP, LAMP, and other WWW technologies using HTTP(S) over TCP/IP. Is it against the law for people to learn what a 3 symbol acronym means? This goes for all languages (whether it is Americans learning Chinese characters or whether it's Chinese learning English letters).

Re:Standardisation is nice but... (4, Interesting)

mopslik (688435) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291358)

I'd prefer it if they went with Safari's blue rectangle with "RSS" written in white on it.

I prefer non-written icons, simply because there are no issues when translating into other (non-English) languages.

Granted, most people will probably end up calling it "RSS" anyway, even if they don't understand what "Really Simple Syndication" means.

Come to think of it... (4, Interesting)

DwarfGoanna (447841) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291382)

I wonder how Apple is going to handle this, considering the airport icon is an orange "cone of sperically propagating waves. For them, adopting ths new standard would probably force them to change that as well. I also prefer the blue and white text rectangle.


Wait, what are we talking about again? WHY does there need to be a standard RSS feed icon anyway? =p

Re:Standardisation is nice but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291566)

Apple could be using an iconic version of goatse and people like you would still prefer Apple's icon.

800 Lb Gorilla (1)

eander315 (448340) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291310)

"...effectively making the orange square with white radio waves the industry standard."

Isn't that true of just about everything Microsoft does?

Re:800 Lb Gorilla (4, Insightful)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291398)

Who says this is suddenly an industry standard? Firefox and IE will use it ad they have a corner on the market, but has any standards organization [w3.org] said "this shall be the RSS icon?" It's a pretty big leap from Microsoft adopting something to it becoming a standard, despite their dominance of the browser market. And in case anyone has forgotten, MS tends to make hash out of standards it does adopt.

Re:800 Lb Gorilla (1)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291595)

You're correct, however, most people don't understand what a standard is.

Adopted or Assimilated? (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291317)

All your RSS are belong to us\

This article is like deja vu all over again.

What? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291320)

How the fuck is this news? Way to fail, Slashdot. Way to fail.

Oh, yeah. FUCK LINUX.

Sounds familiar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291340)

Hmmm... [slashdot.org] :)

-Dawn http://www.steptalk.org/ [steptalk.org]

The big question (2, Funny)

prionic6 (858109) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291341)

Is there a dupe icon in FF for slashdot to adopt?

You know the old saying about Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291344)

Adopt and eat your children or use them for organs.

-1 redundant (0, Troll)

waddgodd (34934) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291394)

If karma was scored for stories, cmdrtaco would be posting at -1 ATM

Re:-1 redundant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291548)

If karma was scored for stories, cmdrtaco would be posting at -1 ATM


I wonder if high-altitude conditioning would help reduce the number of dupes?

Or would the editors continue under the effects of hypoxia?

In related news (4, Funny)

alphakappa (687189) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291404)

Slashdot to adopt all previous stories.

Two times on Slashdot?! (1)

mynickwastaken (690966) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291405)

Wow!
Then they must want that icon badly...
I would suggest that the adopt the Firefox Icon as well.

If you will.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291407)

An anonymous reader writes " Forbes article is reporting that the Slashdot website will adopt The new Digg.com dupe system, the website announced on a blog--effectively making the duping of stupid articles a standard practice in the tech news industry."

Excellent (5, Funny)

aengblom (123492) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291408)

It's great they didn't feel the need to DUPElicate efforts!

I think I've worked it out (5, Insightful)

FluffyWithTeeth (890188) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291425)

People always complain about dupes on Slashdot, and I think I've deduced the reason.

Now, back in the day, they ran this site as a standard tech blog, not really making any money off it. Just a side hobby. However, when it got purchased, and the popularity really flew off, the Slashdot team discovered they didn't actually need to work anymore.

Now personally, if I'd discovered that what was a fun hobby now fed and clothed me, and there was practically no work involved, would I spend as long as possible on it, carefully checking each thing?

Of course not, that would invalidate the whole point. Instead, I'd look through the titles and occasionally the summaries of submitted stories, and let through whichever ones sounded vaguely interesting. Then I'd spend all my free time and money pissing around, and relaxing.

I don't hold it against them, Slashdot still works, we still get good comments, and damn, I'd do exactly the same thing.

Kudos to you, Taco and the rest of the gang! Live the dream! I know I would...

Re:I think I've worked it out (1)

Andrewkov (140579) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291502)

People love spotting dupes, it's a fun game that generates traffic. It's a Win-win.

You're Making Us Look Like Chumps!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291439)

Chumps I tell yah!! READ A BOOK!!! I mean... read the frontpage once in a while.

FFS 'Taco. Pretty soon the Cappuccino Mac heads at Digg will start looking like budding Ben Bradleys compared to the Slashdot editorial team!

Seriously. Seriously. Genuinely. Cards on the table. I'm dead serious. What the hell has been going on at Slashdot lately? Is it something we should know about? Could you please deal with this in the next Slashback? Do you read the front page?!

OMG! (-1, Redundant)

somegei (857515) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291452)

OMG! A dupe! Thanks for warning me people! I almost read it twice! That was a close one!

Re:OMG! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291507)

What I don't understand is people who post "DUPE" after it's already been posted 50 times.

Slow typists, I guess.

Re:OMG! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291579)

Well, if you're going to post duplicate stories you might as well post duplicate comments...

Excellent (0, Redundant)

o-hayo (700478) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291457)

/. should follow suit and commit to a standard duped-article icon. This way, those outcasted and humilated articles can display their mark of shame right on the front page!

Re:Excellent (0, Flamebait)

Gleng (537516) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291597)

How about this? [imageshack.us]

In soviet russia (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291495)

Icon feed MSIE to FireFox

what ever

In other news (1, Funny)

spitzak (4019) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291499)

Microsoft and Firefox agree on standard "dupe" icon!

Slashdot RSS Feed (4, Insightful)

brianerst (549609) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291501)

If only there was a technology that the editors could use that would show them a list of current Slashdot stories prior to posting... A real-time feed of some sort would be nice.

I don't want Microsoft to join the club anymore. (2, Insightful)

keezer (918541) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291515)

So far, they've mangled:
  • Basic (made it a "legitimate" language)
  • HTML
  • e-mail
  • Java
  • C++
...and those are just the instances that I've had to put up with @ work.

Re:I don't want Microsoft to join the club anymore (1)

omeg (907329) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291660)

You have a point there, but could you please elaborate on this? We all have our opinions on Microsoft's handling of things, and though they generally conclude the same thing, it's still not a bad idea to tell us in great lines what exactly is the problem.

Look here, old bean (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291525)

I've had plenty of the christmas spirit today (actually a couple of bottles of wine (blanc et rouge) rather than spirits, with the traditional turkey)

WILL YOU STOP IT WITH THE DUPLICATE ARTICLL;ES PLEASE

Thanks,

a british reader writes.

PS. Fx me that word=in=the image thing is hard.

Freedom to inovate? (1)

Andrewkov (140579) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291527)

Another great innovation from Microsoft.

Grand Theft Icon (1)

planetjay (630434) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291558)

How do they press charges though?

Huh... (1)

alyawn (694153) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291619)

Is it the fact that Forbes covered this or just the fact that you thought we forgot? It's bad enough that I constantly watch /. for the next story, but when it's a dupe... you're *really* wasting my time now.

Gmail for Cell phones (1)

EBFoxbat (897297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14291629)

Now I feel like a super-shab for having my "Google announces m.gmail.com gmail access from mobile devices" story rejected. http://www.google.com/glm/gmail [google.com]

Slashdot standards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14291650)

I hope IE7 will adopt the "dupe" standard from slashdot. That way they don't have to reinvent the wheel and confuse users with multiple "dupe" standards.
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