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aMSN 0.95 Released

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the not-many-free-things-are-still-ad-free dept.

Communications 213

An anonymous reader writes "After more than a year since their last update aMSN has published version 0.95. New features include 'webcam support, tabbed chat windows, improved skin plugin support, new file transfer protocol, many new plugins (like Ink and Nudge support), an improved bug report system, as well as LOTS of bug fixes.' In addition to many new features and fixes the aMSN site has been given a face lift to (hopefully) facilitate ease of use."

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FIRST POST? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14340910)

OMG WTF!!!

Re:FIRST POST? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14340919)

IANAL.

slow downloads (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14340922)

My download from sourceforge is going at 5kb/s, any mirrors aside from the official one linked on the amsn site?

Re:slow downloads (4, Informative)

WTBF (893340) | more than 8 years ago | (#14340946)

Why not try a different source forge mirror? One of them must work at a decent speed.

Here [sourceforge.net] is the sourceforge download page, following which you can select a mirror from.

Mac version torrent link (1)

lampiaio (848018) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341058)

Found a link to the Mac version torrent [hopto.org] .

Just for completeness, I found it on this topic [recordingground.com] .

Windows version torrent (1)

lampiaio (848018) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341079)

Sorry for the double post, just found this one too: Windows version torrent [thepiratebay.org]

Re:slow downloads (1)

Wikipedia (928774) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341402)

http://amsn.sourceforge.net.nyud.net:8090/

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net.nyud.net:8090/a msn/amsn-0.95-windows-installer.exe

http://amsn.sourceforge.net.nyud.net:8090/linux-do wnloads.php?PHPSESSID=5fefd10a127e798524de53a4088e 9433

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net.nyud.net:8090/a msn/amsn-0-95-final.dmg

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net.nyud.net:8090/a msn/amsn-0.95.tar.gz

http://amsn.sourceforge.net.nyud.net:8090/amsn_cvs .tar.gz

More features than Gaim (2, Interesting)

LinuxDon (925232) | more than 8 years ago | (#14340942)

After having taken a look on their website, aMSN seems to support more MSN features than Gaim: File transfers, webcam.

Anyone who knows more about the specific advantages?

Re:More features than Gaim (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14340977)

I know a specific disadvantage, it's a tcl script ffs.

Re:More features than Gaim (3, Interesting)

moro_666 (414422) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341223)

ffs it's a chat client, it doesn't need to be written in C ...

don't you think it's actually pretty rational that something as easy as a damn msn client is written in a language that makes the code 3-5 times shorter and easier to read ? many of your favourite tools in linux are written in C or use a bash scripts to start up complicated applications, i see no whiners there ...

anyway, my problem is that amsn has crashed a lot on me. the tcl/tk has had issues with 2.6.x kernel line and tended to deadlock after some point. amsn ran fine with 2.4.x kernel line, but since 2.6.x came along it has been rather unstable and thats why i use gaim right now.

however, gaim is YEARS back in it's msn support and amsn obviously is ahead here.

Re:More features than Gaim (1)

Rob_Ogilvie (872621) | more than 8 years ago | (#14340983)

I don't know about webcam support (I don't care for webcams, myself) - but Gaim has supported file transfers for a long time. Lately, these file transfers have even been able to get through my NAT firewall. Yes, even with MSN.

Re:More features than Gaim (2, Informative)

LinuxDon (925232) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341014)

True, Gaims supports MSN file transfer, but not directly P2P (which is why they pass your NAT firewall fine).
Unfortunately, sending a file trough a Microsoft MSN server makes the tranfer go *VERY* slow.

It appears aMSN supports direct file transfers.

Re:More features than Gaim (2, Interesting)

emeshuris (938705) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341062)

I use trillian. Personally I think this is one of the best im clients available. It works with everything. I have been using it for a very long time. Transfers from msn, never work for me through trillian, and it does not have the terminal services abilities of msn messenger.

Re:More features than Gaim (2, Insightful)

Bad D.N.A. (753582) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341262)

"It works with everything" ... "never work for me through trillion"

Um, that is either a contradiction or although I don't drink I've hit the scotch too early today.

Re:More features than Gaim (1)

emeshuris (938705) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341342)

Transfers do not work because of firewall settings. Besides, I would rather use different transfer mechanisms than msn transfers.

Re:More features than Gaim (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341416)

You've hit the Scotch too early. If you can't parse that simple paragraph sleep it off then try again.

Re:More features than Gaim (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341447)

Nope, gotta agree with the GP. That's either a terrible sentance or a total contradiction.

Re:More features than Gaim (1)

c_forq (924234) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341530)

Works with everything refers to Yahoo, AIM, MSN, Jabber, IRC, etc. etc. etc.
Works with everything does not mean utilizes all features, as Trillian doesn't support the Avatar stuff Yahoo has, nudge or animation things MSN has, and I'm sure it's missing things MSN has.

OK, there is NO WAY... (4, Interesting)

mcg1969 (237263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14340945)

this software is going to be able to keep its name if it gets even remotely popular. I can't help but think Microsoft will come down on him hard.

Re:OK, there is NO WAY... (2, Insightful)

LinuxDon (925232) | more than 8 years ago | (#14340965)

Remember that up till now, Microsoft has not really done anything harsh to any opensource project.
And, since this is not commercial software, the odds are that they don't really care too much.
Especially now, when they are having such a hard time with all of the monopoly lawsuits.

Re:OK, there is NO WAY... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341152)

wxWindows.

Re:OK, there is NO WAY... (1)

rbochan (827946) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341159)

Why, because Microsoft worries about bad PR [cnn.com] or something?

Re:OK, there is NO WAY... (4, Informative)

johansalk (818687) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341280)

Microsoft intimidated the virtualdub author about asf support so he had to remove it.

Re:OK, there is NO WAY... (2, Insightful)

gkhan1 (886823) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341332)

Can you say Lindows?

Re:OK, there is NO WAY... (1)

AWhiteFlame (928642) | more than 8 years ago | (#14340973)

Maybe they're go the GAIM way. Noo, the AIM part is just general, its not an acronym.

Re:OK, there is NO WAY... (2, Insightful)

mpontes (878663) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341114)

Easy. All they have to do is say that aMSN is an acronym for Alvaro's MeSseNger and that it has nothing to do with MicroSoft Network.

Re:OK, there is NO WAY... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341289)

why the fuck is this off topic.

it is completly relevent to aMSN

morons

Re:OK, there is NO WAY... (1)

mpontes (878663) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341337)

Err, redundant maybe, because someone already pointed that they'd only gave to go the GAIM way, but Offtopic? Wait, let me try this again:

"Hay guyz, does any1 use msn, anyway? aim ftw!"

Is this on topic now? I love it how the obligatory "AIM vs MSN vs whatever" debate that pops up every time an article about an IM network is posted is rated Insightful, but a comment talking about the specific software whose release the article talked about is modded Offtopic.

Re:OK, there is NO WAY... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341184)

I doubt its legal as it is.
  Same with gaim and other alternative clients, unless they got some sort of agreement with M$. Basically its resource theft. M$ runs a service for their customers under their terms, and now others just hog on it, without "paying" for it by the ads and links to other services.

I know this is slashdot and MS is the enemy, but that doesnt justify it.

But i guess this kind of parasiting is legal when its convenient for linux users ?

Re:OK, there is NO WAY... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341542)

Take a hint from Eminem: eMesSeM

Gaim? MS-messenger? (3, Interesting)

glomph (2644) | more than 8 years ago | (#14340950)

What really is interesting is the islands of usage in the different IM systems. I use Gaim exclusively, have something like 250 buddies in the aggregate list, of which about a third are active. 90+% of them are AIM. Small number are Yahoo. MSN users countable on the fingers of one mutilated hand.

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (4, Informative)

WTBF (893340) | more than 8 years ago | (#14340993)

In different areas different systems are popular. In Britain it seems as if MSN is used almost exclusively, and I know only two people who use different networks, although I am now using Google Talk with a few converts from MSN - so that is six more people off MSN messenger. However, I know a lot of American people that use AIM, and MSN seems (as you said) to be somewhat of a rarity.

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (4, Interesting)

Justin205 (662116) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341010)

Very true. Canada seems to be going much the same way as Britain. Most people I know in Canada use MSN messenger exclusively. Whereas more of the people I know online (mainly Americans) tend towards AIM and/or YIM.

It's really interesting, actually... To talk to people all over the world you generally need AIM and MSN. Perhaps YIM, but the people who *only* use YIM are few and far between.

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (1)

techefnet (634210) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341209)

This is true.
In Norway where I live, MSN seems like the only IM ever used. I tried to stay with ICQ back a few years ago, but since I discovered no one was using ICQ I forgot it and went on with MSN.
IRC is also very popular in Norway, there's a nice norwegian community. It's not IM per se, but it's superiour than IM. I love IRC, I don't understand why people would use IM instead of IRC. :>

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14340996)

There's a joke in there somewhere about how many of those 250 buddies are girls that can be counted on the fingers of one, mutilated, oiled hand.

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14340997)

Over here in England MSN Messenger easily has the majority, probably 80+%.

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (1)

bogado (25959) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341004)

In Brazil, unfortunaly, there are lots of MSN users, and as far as I know it is very popular in France also. I believe that it got late in the IM business, but since it get bundled with windows it has conquered the places where the public didn[ t yet have a favorite IM.

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (4, Interesting)

HishamMuhammad (553916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341011)

It would be nice to make a map with the geographical spread.

I live in Brazil. My only exclusively-AIM-or-Yahoo contacts are from people in the US. Most of my list is still ICQ because that was the "big one" here years ago, and I say "still" because most new users go to MSN and lots of the ICQ "early adopters" (me included) now have MSN accounts as well. So, I guess in order of popularity, it's:

USA: AIM, Yahoo, MSN, ICQ
Brazil: MSN, ICQ, AIM, Yahoo

Other countries, anyone?

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (1)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341085)

MSN is also disgustingly popular here in Argentina, as i hear it's all over Latin America.

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (1)

LocoMan (744414) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341166)

Agree. I live in Venezuela, and while I don't use much IM, I don't think I have any link on my contact list that's from latin america and that uses anything other than MSN (I did use to get the odd random ICQ message/spam, but it's been years since I've gotten one of those). My mother (she is a heavy IMer) has installed yahoo messenger and MSN, but all of her friends (latinamerica and spain) use MSN only. The only reason she installed yahoo was one time trillian (what I use) was having problems connecting to MSN and she installed it as an alternative when she wanted to contact me.

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (1)

anhdres (844345) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341403)

i agree. most young users are exclusively MSN. some older users (as myself) had ICQ accounts, which were the most popular until almost 4 years ago. i use trillian, of my local contacts, 90% are MSN, with three ICQ, 1 Yahoo. of my international contacts, the list is much more different, with several AIM and ICQ from europe and other parts of the world, and even some Yahoos! only my geekiest fellows use gtalk or other jabber, like i do.

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (1)

Bootvis (913169) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341183)

In most parts of Europe MSN dominates all other clients. Germany seems to be the exception. There ICQ and AIm are used a lot more. I don't have any numbers to back it up just experience :(

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (1)

gmf (810466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341310)

In fact the situation here in Germany seems to be different from most of the rest of the world. I use ICQ almost exclusively. The only reason I also have an AIM account was for some contacts from the US.

ICQ even started cooperating with a major TV station, and running some TV ads recently. So it's anything but dead, at least in Germany. And by the way, feature-wise ICQ still seems to be superior to most of the other instant messengers.

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (1)

Refrozen (833543) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341303)

Western Canada: MSN, Yahoo, AIM, ICQ (I've actually never met someone in real life with an ICQ number)

AIM and Yahoo are somewhat interchangable depending on who you're talking to, due to our close-ness to the states. :)

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (1)

b0rk b0rk b0rk (884832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341562)

Quebec also (Eastern Canada) - everybody I know, without exception, uses MSN. This may be a teenage (high school/college thing, however - my parents do use Yahoo!

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (1)

master811 (874700) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341515)

Well being in the UK, everyone I know uses msnim, and why not, one of the biggest advantages of it is being able to use ANY email address by just setting it up with a msn passport, which a lot of people i know including myself have done. I had an AIM account a few years back, just as a few friends used it but they have now gone to msn as well, and i don't know anyone that uses ICQ, or yahoo for that matter (or at least that few that do have it set as a passport anyway.)

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341598)

México:
MSN, MSN, MSN, yahoo
Sorry, AIM or ICQ don't exist more.

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (3, Funny)

acoster (812556) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341018)

MSN is amanzingly popular among the "average" users, and got really strong in Brasil after the launch of Windows XP. They did some TV ads too, but I think that the damn man-in-butterfly-costume scared normal people ;-)

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (1)

vidarlo (134906) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341067)

What really is interesting is the islands of usage in the different IM systems. I use Gaim exclusively, have something like 250 buddies in the aggregate list, of which about a third are active. 90+% of them are AIM. Small number are Yahoo. MSN users countable on the fingers of one mutilated hand.

Yes, I agree. However, if one wants to have some of the nice features of msn (no, not nudge!), like webcam or such, you have to use amsn on anything other thatn windows. I have not used amsn for some time, but their msn support is certainly better than gaim's, but gaim aims at many protocols, not just msn. Thus, I think both has a purpose, but it is really pity that a lot of amsn's features ain't merged into gaim. Combined, it'd be helluva IM platform. Alone, gaim don't offer anything shiny for the msn protocol, and amsn don't offer anything for jabber/aim/yahoo.

The really sad thing is that those nets is so divided. It should be like email. Anyone to anyone, regardless of supplier. Only solution to this right now seems to be jabber, which lets me connect to a single point and let that handle the other protocols.

Luckily, google talk is using jabber:) If they just could offer a default gateway for msn, so more people got caught on google talk...

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (1)

technoviper (595945) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341127)

That may be true in the US. However in Asia and Europe a lot of users are on MSN (all my friends in the US are on AIM/iChat while my European and Asian friends are split between Yahoo and MSN)

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (1)

mpontes (878663) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341132)

The A in AIM stands for America. MSN is used almost exclusively in most European countries. In fact, in the past, I knew about the existence of MSN, Y! and ICQ, but I only found out AIM after I started talking to American people online.

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (4, Funny)

Photon Ghoul (14932) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341317)

The A in AIM stands for America.

Well, technically I believe it stands for "AOL".

Re:Gaim? MS-messenger? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341133)

It goes pretty much (>>90%?) like this. USA: Aim, Europe: MSN

Website? Looks bad. (3, Insightful)

vidarlo (134906) | more than 8 years ago | (#14340957)

Really. They've got a nice website. But it requires javascript for downloading, it is broken [zet.no] in my Firefox, bypasses SF's default mirror system (which is bad in my eyes because it makes downloads potentially slower). So whilst I've not tested amsn itself, the website needs work.

Re:Website? Looks bad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341142)

What version of firefox are you using?

Windows Firefox 1.5 looks fine.

Re:Website? Looks bad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341173)

FF 1.0.7 it seems. I can't see any reason for why they use javascript though... Some screw-ups in the layout can be expected, but they should try a bit in old ff's.

Re:Website? Looks bad. (4, Informative)

RoadkillBunny (662203) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341179)

The mirror system is bypassed because the packages haven't been synced to all servers yet. If we were to use the mirrors, you would be getting mirror failed messages for most.

Re:Website? Looks bad. (1)

vidarlo (134906) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341321)

The mirror system is bypassed because the packages haven't been synced to all servers yet. If we were to use the mirrors, you would be getting mirror failed messages for most.

Ok, but why use javascript to select download then? You could at least provide a go-buttion, for those without javascript.

Besides, tabbing is nice. However, I found no way to switch tabs with keyboard, and stretching for the mouse is painful (yes, I do use ratpoison), it is ugly when running in smal windows (the buttons and such fall outside the border of the window). So, if I'm gonna consider it instead of gaim:

  • proper keyboard bindings
  • better installation system. make install installed a whole lots of files in 700 mode, owned by root. Not executable by user. make rpm also failed. When chmod'd, amsn complained about no read access to a couple of files: I had to install it manually. Polish make install.
  • Webcam support is very nice. However, I have a v4l device, which amsn did not find. I did not care to research into this, so it is probably my own fault anyway...

In short, some ironing needed before it is ready for mainstream. But it is the msn client for *nix closest to Microsoft's msn client. Keep up on the good work :)

Re:Website? Looks bad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341284)

hi,
we bypassed the mirroring system because the file hasn't spread through sourceforge's mirrors yet.. we never thought he download links would die.. never expected getting almost 1GB downloads a minute... now it's back to using the mirroring system (osdn.dl mirror is down it seems...) but it will take you half an hour just to find a mirror which hold the file (depends on luck...)
about being broken in FF, we spent days and days JUST to get it rendering correctly on all browsers.. could you tell us with more details what problem you get ?
about javascript.. I'll look into that, but I remember we were removing javascript in favor of php... I'll see if all javascript can be removed!

Re:Website? Looks bad. (1)

vidarlo (134906) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341330)

hi, we bypassed the mirroring system because the file hasn't spread through sourceforge's mirrors yet.. we never thought he download links would die.. never expected getting almost 1GB downloads a minute... now it's back to using the mirroring system (osdn.dl mirror is down it seems...) but it will take you half an hour just to find a mirror which hold the file (depends on luck...) about being broken in FF, we spent days and days JUST to get it rendering correctly on all browsers.. could you tell us with more details what problem you get ? about javascript.. I'll look into that, but I remember we were removing javascript in favor of php... I'll see if all javascript can be removed!

Javascript is not bad by it self, but please, provide a way for those surfin with javascript turned off. I accept that some people enjoy it, but make it possible to get your product without javascript. Add a nice Go-button :)

And for the firefox problems... I have not looked into it, but I provided a screen shot. Feel free to contact me though. Email address is at my userpage [slashdot.org] .

Re:Website? Looks bad. (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341328)

the website needs work

By the sound of things, it needs less work.

Website Design (3, Informative)

vectorian798 (792613) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341005)

Something messed up with their JS? On Firefox their menu renders into the middle of the page, but it looks fine on IE...

Good Business Practices (1)

Chaffar (670874) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341075)

On Firefox their menu renders into the middle of the page, but it looks fine on IE...

Target audience:*nix users...
Probability that said target audience uses IE: 0% (±0.00)

Going IE is not always the best thing to do®, IMHO...

i don't get it... (3, Insightful)

twiggy (104320) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341041)

So, it's just a clone of MSN written by someone else, still for windows?

Why is this a big deal?

If it offered multiple clients like Trillian [trillian.cc] does, or had some snazzy features that MSN didn't already have, I could see it being big news...

Strange indeed, seeing as MSN is probably the least popular messenger between AIM/Yahoo/MSN... I just don't understand the motivation behind writing a clone. Anyone see something I'm missing?

Re:i don't get it... (2, Insightful)

Yoohoo Ladies! (919562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341060)

I don't know... just about everyone I know uses MSN... I prefer ICQ myself, though. I've got 90+ contacts through MSN... maybe three in AOL. But I'm Canada, so maybe that explains the difference?

Re:i don't get it... (4, Insightful)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341080)

Strange indeed, seeing as MSN is probably the least popular messenger between AIM/Yahoo/MSN..

In the US perhaps.. In europe ICQ was pretty much "The" IM until Microsoft's bundling of MSN Messenger attracted the dimwitted hordes of teenagers, at this point anyone wanting to contact any of these people would use MSN Messenger (since before this point not a lot of people were using IM software) and this in turn led to a situation where only "nerds" were using ICQ and most of them ended up getting an MSN account just to be able to keep in touch with their friends..

Now if only Microsoft could get offline messages for MSN Messenger I wouldn't mind this situation but it seems they think "E-mail = offline message"..

/Mikael

Re:i don't get it... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341161)

In europe ICQ was pretty much "The" IM until Microsoft's bundling of MSN Messenger attracted the dimwitted hordes of teenagers, at this point anyone wanting to contact any of these people would use MSN Messenge

No, ICQ was popular until it started to become one giant bloatware piece of shit, and thats not microsofts fault

Re:i don't get it... (4, Informative)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341101)

IIRC, the motivation was to write a complete MSN Messenger clone that would run outside Windows - i've tried it a few times on Linux, and while i like GAIM [sourceforge.net] much better, it really feels and behaves like the official client. It might help non-techincal users that need MSN to switch easier.

Re:i don't get it... (2, Informative)

mqduck (232646) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341102)

So, it's just a clone of MSN written by someone else, still for windows?

The website's messed up, but you can get the linux version on the SF page: http://sourceforge.net/projects/amsn [sourceforge.net]

Re:i don't get it... (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341104)

At least for me, trillian ended the which ICQ/msn/aol is better debate.

Re:i don't get it... (1)

orasio (188021) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341156)

Popularity doesn't matter when the person you are trying to contact uses the least popular system.
Plus, no one I know uses AIM.
Maybe it's a US thing.

I use GAIM most of the time (msn, in-house jabber server, jabber.org, yahoo messenger, and now google talk).
Most of my friends I met in college use yahoo messenger and some jabber.org or google talk. People with no computer knowledge started using MSN around me, so I got a user. Plus, we use a jabber IM server at my job, because it's handy.

But when you want to see the face of someone across the atlantic, it's difficult to resist the temptation of installing mswindows.

Then, aMSN comes to the rescue. You can have webcam conversations. That, added to skype, is much better to me than a phone call.
Now that skype has webcam support, if it ever reaches gnu/linux, it might stay as the unique piece of proprietary software in my drive.

In canada... (1)

logik3x (872368) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341201)

In canada every1 uses MSN... I used to use ICQ long time ago but then everyone who statrted using internet were using MSN... I had to switch from icq to msn has I only had h4x0rs on my ICQ... too bad MSN is such a memory hog.. aMSN is good to fix this issue but still ain't the same has MSN.. looking forward to try thi release though

Re:i don't get it... (1)

RoadkillBunny (662203) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341219)

So, it's just a clone of MSN written by someone else, still for windows?

The point is that it's a clone of MSN for Linux. And since it uses Tcl/Tk, it can run on any operating system that supports the toolkit: Windows, Linux, Mac OS X.

ASL? lol u sux (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341063)

I'm not sure I want to chat with anyone that can't use an IRC or Jabber client and it's hardly as if I'm setting a high standard here.

What's the count now? (3, Informative)

pair-a-noyd (594371) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341077)

Two, three other packages that support webcams? Where's Gaim in the webcam support arena?
I like Gaim the best of all the packages but it's lack of webcam support is sad.
BTW, what would be a good choice of webcam to buy for Linux that is likely
to work well with whatever comes along? Something economical but solid.
I don't want to waste $10 on a POS cheap cam but I don't want to spend $200 either..

Come on Gaim, get with the program!!

Re:What's the count now? (2, Informative)

pdbogen (596723) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341309)

A firewire card and an Orange Micro iBot is a pretty good deal. No integrated microphone, but firewire web cams give excellent quality and the iBot is pretty reasonably priced. Unfortunately, it's still at the high end of pricing (You're looking at around $100 for the camera, plus say $20 for the firewire card), but well worth the money. An equivalently priced USB webcam usually won't be anywhere near as good.

Re:What's the count now? (2, Informative)

lbbros (900904) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341341)

Unfortunately this (along with file transfers) has been always labeled "low priority" by gaim developers, so unless someone starts contributing patches it's unlikely we'll see that support for a while.

Re:What's the count now? (1)

Wikipedia (928774) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341531)

I don't know how aMSN does it, but cross-platform camera support could be tricky, afaik.

Here's the working download links: (5, Informative)

StonedRat (837378) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341084)

Here's working links to the aMSN download as the ones on the site seem dead...

Linux Installer (need llibstdc++.so.6) [sourceforge.net]
AutoPackage [sourceforge.net]
Debian [sourceforge.net]
Ubuntu [sourceforge.net]
Fedora Core 3 [sourceforge.net]
Fedora Core 4 [sourceforge.net]
Mandriva 2006 (Formerly Mandrake) [sourceforge.net]
Slackware [sourceforge.net]
Archlinux [sourceforge.net]
Gentoo [sourceforge.net]
Other [sourceforge.net]

Here's the working download Windows link (1)

FinchWorld (845331) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341463)

Here [sourceforge.net]

Typicall awful font rendering on Linux (2, Insightful)

onlyjoking (536550) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341139)

The screenshots exemplify why Linux struggles to gain mindshare amongst Windows users. Font rendering is still awful on Linux and I'm afraid it's looks that count with IM apps. The same is true of that great open source flagship, Firefox. I love using it on OS X and XP but on Linux Firefox can't render simple CSS borders nor line-spacing properly. Websites just look awful viewed with Firefox on Linux (Fedora) and aMSN suffers similar problems with its flaky text. Linux is a serer OS with a half-decent graphics engine but with browsers and IM apps half-decent isn't good enough.

Re:Typicall awful font rendering on Linux (2, Informative)

StonedRat (837378) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341178)

My fonts look a lot better than those in the aMSN screenshot, but then the screenshot shows fonts without anti-aliasing enabled. Even windows looks shit if you disable that. Personally i think my linux fonts look better than the ones i get in windows. I use ubuntu and gnome by the way.

Re:Typicall awful font rendering on Linux (1)

AnyoneEB (574727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341182)

Could you explain? I use Windows XP on my desktop and Gentoo Linux on laptop (window manager is XFCE4). They both use the same or similar true type fonts and look almost identical, except I have font AA enabled on my laptop and disabled on my desktop. (I dislike the look of font AA on a CRT.) Default install, by the way, I did not change any settings relating to fonts.

Re:Typicall awful font rendering on Linux (1)

Wikipedia (928774) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341516)

I use ClearType rendering, and it looks beautiful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search =ClearType [wikipedia.org]

Re:Typicall awful font rendering on Linux (1)

AnyoneEB (574727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341602)

Eh, I do not like the way ClearType looks on CRTs, but that is just my personal preference. It looks very nice on LCDs.

Re:Typicall awful font rendering on Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341203)

The screenshots show anti aliasing disabled, which is not the default in any GNU/Linux distribution, and hasn't been for many years now.

Check shots.osdir.com to see how fonts are rendered by default in systems like Fedora, Ubuntu, etc.

Re:Typicall awful font rendering on Linux (4, Informative)

RoadkillBunny (662203) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341210)

This has been fixed in Tcl/Tk 8.5 as it uses anti-aliased fonts. It is still in beta, but feel free to try it out. http://www.tcl.tk/ [www.tcl.tk]

Re:Typicall awful font rendering on Linux (2, Informative)

nneonneo (911150) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341340)

Well, it is actually possible to achieve anti-aliased rendering on Linux (not without some effort): http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/3 093/1/ [linuxplanet.com]

Re:Typicall awful font rendering on Linux (1)

gmf (810466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341395)

Huh?! The article you linked to is almost 5 years old!

All Linux distributions I've tried recently (Debian, Ubuntu, SuSE, and others) come with anti-aliasing enabled and working by default. And it looks quite well out of the box, although it's often possible to tweak it a little more, but that's also a matter of taste.

What actually seems to be difficult these days is completely disabling font anti-aliasing...

Re:Typicall awful font rendering on Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341383)

No anti-aliased fonts? 10+ years later, Linux still hasn't caught up to Win95.

Sad.

Re:Typicall awful font rendering on Linux (1)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341475)

One thing that people commonly overlook is the DisplaySize option in xorg.conf. X basically has to know your monitor size in order to render fonts correctly. The fonts on my laptop looked *awful* by default...it is a 15" 1024x768 display, and since it is a laptop it only works at native resolution. The defaults likely assume your display is 1280x1024 native. Once I set this, fonts now look identical to my desktop (which uses a 17" 1280x1024 LCD) and I don't have any more strange font rendering issues. Here's an article on this often overlooked not very well documented option: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts [gentoo-wiki.com]

Mercury is better. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341234)

The newest release also features full-speed webcam support.

AMD64 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341437)

where's the amd64 .deb !?!?!

i dont understand... (2, Insightful)

Synth3t1c (881734) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341439)

why would someone go open source if theres a closed source free version that works fine already out there?

i mean, im in favor for creating open source programs but why even bother - aMSN is adding functionality already given for free from MSN themselves...

Re:i dont understand... (2, Informative)

oglueck (235089) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341632)

The MS product
- is only available for Windows
- displays ads
- has a bad user interface (you can't even rename contacts)

Mac OSX and Web Cam (1)

einis (824248) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341478)

This amsn release seems to be the first non-iChat client supporting webcam under Mac OS X. Hip hip hurray. If it only had as polished interface as Adium, it would be definately first in a row. Someone behind amsn is way much faster in development than Microsoft itself, with only 5th Messenger version for Mac.

Protocols (0, Troll)

snib (911978) | more than 8 years ago | (#14341502)

Why would someone use an MSN Messenger clone when you can get a multi-protocol messenger like Gaim or Miranda?

excuse my ignorance, but... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14341558)

...how do you get an MSN chat account in the first place if you don't have a windows machine? I tried to get one with my linux box and it wouldn't let me even register. I'm sure it's something obvious I am missing, but would appreciate the trick for this one, if there is a trick to it. Thanks in advance!
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