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Dell Pre-Installing Firefox in UK

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the and-they-get-battlestar-galactica-first-too dept.

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seizer writes "Blake Ross, creator of Firefox, has confirmed on his blog that Dell are now shipping Firefox on all desktop and laptop machines in the UK. While rumours had been floating around before this, and UK buyers had been reporting that 1.0.6 came pre-installed, this is the first official confirmation of Dell's decision. Is the US next?"

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Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345471)

That'll teach those bastards.

Re:Heh (3, Insightful)

honeypotslash (927312) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345488)

And if the users don't want it (I'm not sure why) they could uninstall it unlike IE
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Nonsense. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345480)

Dell will not ship with an inferior browser.

Re:Nonsense. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345636)

You misunderstood, firefox is installed in addition to the inferior browser. IE is still shipping as it is "part of windows and cannot be removed" :-)

Default browser? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345486)

Definately good news, but if it's not the default browser the impact will likely be limited. Most people will use whatever's the default.

Re:Default browser? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345604)

Sounds like you'd swing from any default browser's balls...

Re:Default browser? (1)

RonnyJ (651856) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345802)

I can't vouch for the validity of it, but this comment on the linked page looks relevant:

Interestingly, it was the only web browser icon on the desktop- albeit version 1.0.4, but its a promising start.

Re:Default browser? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345814)

Definately good news, but if it's not the default browser the impact will likely be limited. Most people will use whatever's the default.

good point I assumed by "shipping with Firefox" defaultness was implied but if they ship with firefox and not have it as default then it begs the question [nizkor.org] (to turn the phrase [wsu.edu] ) "What's the point?"

Microsoft is always talking about how they're such a big and dominant browser because IE is so great. Let's see what happens if IE is suddenly not the default browswer see how many people switch.

Not news (-1, Troll)

beforewisdom (729725) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345490)

Dell has done their experiments before...outside of the US and most often in their server related products.

Wake me up when they install Firefox on their consumer desktops, in the U.S.

Re:Not news (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345507)

Dell has done their experiments before...outside of the US and most often in their server related products. Wake me up when they install Firefox on their consumer desktops, in the U.S.

Yeah, when it's on an AMD 64 system. Until I'll keep hitting the Snooze on Dell related articles.

Re:Not news (4, Insightful)

taskforce (866056) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345586)

Did it occur to you that this really is news to people in the UK, who also read Slashdot or follow FireFox developments?

The UK is the second greatest market for both Slashdot and Dell, so reporting this only makes sense.

1.5 is out? (1)

logik3x (872368) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345493)

Shouldn't they ship it with the latest version at least... oh well still a step in the good direction.. but I doubt they remove IE on the system...

Re:1.5 is out? (3, Interesting)

brontus3927 (865730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345549)

Or at the very least 1.0.7 which has been the latest 1.0.x version out for a while now.

Re:1.5 is out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345672)

Compare to the 1.0.x branch, 1.5 is bloated and buggy (and I'm not just going from my own personal experience, but from discussions with other people I know who've used it).

Crashes, sucks up memory, hangs, &c. I'm sticking with 1.0.7 on any machines I haven't already upgraded.

Re:1.5 is out? (2, Informative)

kg4gyt (799019) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345685)

They don't remove IE, because you can't. IE is actually a part of Windows.

Re:1.5 is out? (2, Informative)

Oktober Sunset (838224) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345805)

Actually, you can remove IE but it is not simple and windows is left lacking a bunch of features.

Sounds like a step in the right direction... (1)

the_macman (874383) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345499)

I suppose this is a step in the right direction. When I got my laptop. The first thing I did was remove any trace of MSIE (short of uninstalling it) and installed Firefox. I'm sure this will help with XP security. I just wonder how much this is gonna piss of MS and how they are gonna strike back. We shall see.

Re:Sounds like a step in the right direction... (1)

PixelSlut (620954) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345628)

Don't you need to keep IE installed for hitting Windows Update? When last I tried, it didn't work using Firefox. Admittedly, I don't spend much time in Windows so I'm pretty clueless if there's another way to do it.

Re:Sounds like a step in the right direction... (2, Informative)

KingPunk (800195) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345684)

i dont do windows either, but i maintain a few boxes for some older family members. and MSIE isnt a requirement for windows update any longer. ms finally got tired of hearing all the complaints over the phone as to why they couldnt update their box with a few million people having firefox as their "default browser". so it works now. but yeah.. kernel-level integration of anything but the kernel and device drivers, ..is a big mistake no matter who you are, a one man fly by night F/OSS camp, or the big ole satanic redmond crew. its not intelligent. to say the least. so ..its a step.

Re:Sounds like a step in the right direction... (1)

jacksonj04 (800021) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345804)

It does?

"Thank you for your interest in obtaining updates from our site.

To use this site, you must be running Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 or later.

To upgrade to the latest version of the browser, go to the Internet Explorer Downloads website."

Re:Sounds like a step in the right direction... (1)

AnyoneEB (574727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345757)

I only use automatic updates, which is a separate program which does not use IE (at least, not obviously). I think it was added in XP SP2, but it might be older than that.

Re:Sounds like a step in the right direction... (3, Interesting)

KingPunk (800195) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345632)

you wouldnt happen to have any instructions on how to go about, removing explorer, msie, etc. straight from the windows kernel, would you? because, it is totally integrated into windows. if you remove ie, you remove explorer, and your windows os, is totally useless. thats half of the problem there. ...the only way to go about what you're saying you did with your superhuman geekboy strength and "l33tn3ss" is by using a shell replacement, which most people cannot tolerate, or even use functionally. props to you, for trying to be cool though! i'd do my research next time.

Same way with Netscape back in the day.. (4, Interesting)

ModernGeek (601932) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345704)

..back in the day, computers came with Netscape and MSIE installed. You'd see infomercials saying, "This computer comes with the two leading internet browsers. Netscape and Internet Explorer, so that you can choose which you'd like to use". It will just start bringing more competition to the table for MSIE. I feel bad because I remember in those days recommending that people uninstall Netscape and use IE.

Re:Sounds like a step in the right direction... (1)

drpimp (900837) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345752)

Maybe the will strike back, maybe they won't, point is that it's still obvious they are still shipping with XP, so since Microsoft gives IE away w/ XP, are they really losing anything other than browser share market?

Re:Sounds like a step in the right direction... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345756)

Considering the icy relationship between Microsoft and the European Union, I'd consider the former's ability to "strike back" limited.

Pictures?? (4, Interesting)

Klanglor (704779) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345501)

Anyone seen the version? is it with a custom dell skin? just currious.

Dell giving free memory upgrades too? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345502)

Is Dell going to be giving free memory upgrades and tech support for laptops with Firefox preinstalled? Notice that they are not installing 1.5?

Re:Dell giving free memory upgrades too? (1)

Agarax (864558) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345740)

Is Dell going to be giving free memory upgrades and tech support ...

They're preinstalling Firefox, not OpenOffice.

And somewhere (1)

Asakusa (941025) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345503)

Inside the corporate offices of Microsoft, an angel dies.

Re:And somewhere (4, Funny)

frdmfghtr (603968) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345556)

Inside the corporate offices of Microsoft, an angel dies.


You used "Microsoft" and "angel" in the same sentence without the "of Darkness" phrase. You should know better.

And somewhere else (5, Funny)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345651)

Inside the corporate offices of Microsoft, a chair is thrown.

News from the future... (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345504)

Wait and see if a hurricaine hits Britain next year. Billy Boy will say that it was God punishing the sinful, wicked infidels.

Great First Step (4, Insightful)

mordors9 (665662) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345505)

If Dell is going to buck Microsoft and install Firefox, perhaps the day is coming when they will openly and consistently offer Linux on their desktop machines as an alternative to Windows. But we will see. Something tells me MS isn't going to take this lying down.

Re:Great First Step (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345546)

Next they'll start using AMD chips in all levels of their machines for sale too.

Ha, my image to decifer is "winces!"

Re:Great First Step (2, Insightful)

ettlz (639203) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345553)

Yes, but would you buy a machine with Linux pre-installed by some Dell muppet? I wouldn't. However, I would buy a blank one and install it myself. And I don't see how it would be major inconvenience for 'normal' consumers, since most of them have to re-install Windows at some point anyway.

Re:Great First Step (1)

AnyoneEB (574727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345721)

That is probably true, but if Linux is pre-installed, then the vendor is saying they will support Linux drivers for the system. I have a Dell laptop that I run Linux on, and although it works well enough, I cannot get it to sleep (I just use hibernate) and it has an SD card slot that is unusable under Linux. Also, it has an ATI graphics card, so leave hardware acceleration off because it locks-up often otherwise.

Re:Great First Step (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345599)

They can't "buck" Microsoft by installing Firefox as IE is still installed. It's just giving users an alternative version to use.

This is a carefully weighted decision based on its ease of support for Dell's staff. Hence we're more likely to see Firefox as a default install, along with iTunes, Realplayer, Winzip and goodness knows what else before we'll ever see Linux offered on the desktop. In any case 99% of prospective Dell buyers don't want Linux on it anyway, and would probably moan that it wasn't Windows if they did choose it...

Dell: I would buy a pre-installed Linux laptop (3, Interesting)

Morgaine (4316) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345606)

perhaps the day is coming when they will openly and consistently offer Linux on their desktop machines

Well, in case Dell is listening, I am one customer for a Dell laptop with Linux pre-installed (the model that has nVidia graphics, as ATI is totally hopeless with OpenGL).

I always install my own Linux systems on desktops, but laptops are somewhat different to desktops in that they often have custom features that aren't covered well (or at all) by standard Linux distros.

A Dell Linux-based laptop with all its hardware features supported would be a very welcome product.

is it bucking? (1)

conJunk (779958) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345741)

What are the odds that this was done in secret agreement with MS in response to EU anti trust litigation [slashdot.org] ?

i doubt that's the case, as microsoft and/or the eu would likely make some kind of announcement, since would pertain to litigation, and really, the question of browsers has nothing to do with the litigation at hand, BUT, it's not outside the realm of possibilities

Re:Great First Step (1)

DigitalReality (903767) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345797)

Something tells me MS isn't going to take this lying down.

They're not. Remember, regardless of the lawsuits, IE6 is still built into XP. Sure you can "uninstall" it, which does nothing more than hide it, but the functionality of IE6 is built into many of the core operating system files. Hell, iexplore.exe is a protected windows file.

All they would have to do is silently release an XP security update that "accidentally" turns IE back on, or restores the executable. Then any of the people running Windows Update automatically, like they suggest, will automatically have IE again. But then again, who's using Windows Update? There are more pirated copies than legal anyway :).

1.06? Isn't 1.5 out now? (1)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345510)

A wee bit behind the times no?

Re:1.06? Isn't 1.5 out now? (1)

BuhSnarf (633686) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345535)

It doesn't say that it's 1.0.6 *now* It states that the rumours from before said that people had 1.0.6 on Dell machines.

Re:1.06? Isn't 1.5 out now? (1)

honeypotslash (927312) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345590)

The computers were probably build months ago when the current version was 1.0.6
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Version what? (1, Flamebait)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345521)

Doesn't 1.0.6 have known problems? Is Dell shipping security risks now?

Re:Version what? (1)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345560)

Doesn't 1.0.6 have known problems? Is Dell shipping security risks now?

and IE doesn't??? come on... how many unpatched holes still exist for IE??? Dell could never keep up with it... they'd need a fresh install image every week nearly...

Re:Version what? (1)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345640)

Is Dell shipping security risks now?

Well, considering they ship Windows on (nearly) every machine, I think it's pretty much a moot point.

Re:Version what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345703)

Dont worry, it'll have the Sony Rootkit pre-installed for use as well, saving users countless hours of figuring out how to uninstall it.

Re:Version what? (2, Funny)

Rob_Ogilvie (872621) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345724)

Is Dell shipping security risks now?

They've been shipping Windows for years, haven't they?

Dell Ships Vulnerable Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345524)

This will do wonders for Firefox's reputation.

More Dell Installed crap I will have to remove (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345525)

I surf with Opera. I like it that way. I guess adding Firefox is slightly better than some demo software crap that I can pay to buy into, but only marginally. Dear Peter, leave the crap off my system and let me decide what to install and give me REAL os media so I can clean my system to my liking.

Re:More Dell Installed crap I will have to remove (1)

honeypotslash (927312) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345657)

I just wouldn't buy a Dell in the first place. Cheap hardware at not so cheap prices. I prefer a computer that doesn't break all the time.
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Re:More Dell Installed crap I will have to remove (1)

Klanglor (704779) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345676)

hahaha... lol! sooo agree with that! In the office we bought 2 dell for the office ladies (clerical work like data entry) with 256mb of ram. and good all the junk it had on it. it needs like 1gig of virutal memory. sight. took me a good hour to uninstall the junk. now i have to fight with the office ladies to tell them its not virus that slow the computer down and that i have to unistall all those stuff that they use once every aeon!

blessing or curse? (1)

The Infidel (708655) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345536)

...and now the uninformed masses will forever call Firefox 'bloatware' Thanks Dell!

The Next Step... (0, Redundant)

miTcixelsyD (754878) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345544)

...will be shipping new machines WITHOUT Windows installed and deducting the license cost from the price of the machine. It still boggles my mind how I can't order a PC from them without an OS installed.

Re:The Next Step... (2, Informative)

Lispy (136512) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345609)

This is just not true.
You can order a Dell without an OS [dell.com] . At least in the US.

Re:The Next Step... (1)

miTcixelsyD (754878) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345670)

Thanks for the info. Didn't know this. How recent was this?

Re:The Next Step... (3, Informative)

compm375 (847701) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345673)

You can order a Dell without an OS. At least in the US.
You can, but it costs more than the same computer with Windows.

That's great, but... (4, Insightful)

the_rajah (749499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345732)

They've got the same system with XP media center for $20 less.. Tell me again how there's no "Microsoft tax". http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx ?CS=19&kc=19&oc=DE510SAP [dell.com]

Re:That's great, but... (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345746)

Perhaps it's time for the DoJ to start asking the hardware vendors some questions.

Re:The Next Step... (1)

Sir Lurkalot (772154) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345761)

Right at the top of the Dell web page, "Dell recommends Windows® XP Professional".

Yes but... (5, Insightful)

mpapet (761907) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345563)

-Is it installed like the rest of their nagware? (e.g. buried in the menus)

-Is it the default browser?

-Will it remain the default browser?

-Is there an icon on the desktop? (still will probably not switch the trained to click the "e" people.)

In one way it's very good news.

I don't think it changes much though once IE7 is available. The IE7 hype for a feature set that Mozilla browsers already have will be deafening.

Re:Yes but... (2, Informative)

wellard1981 (699843) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345759)

-Is it installed like the rest of their nagware? (e.g. buried in the menus)
Yes, it's pre-installed.
-Will it remain the default browser?
The default browser is still IE
-Is there an icon on the desktop? (still will probably not switch the trained to click the "e" people.)
Yes, it's on the desktop with the standard FireFox icon
.. I only know this because my brother has just got a new dell machine

Re:Yes but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345762)

I can confirm that there is an icon on the desktop.

Re:Yes but... (5, Informative)

moreati (119629) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345795)

My sister got one of these, to my surprise, the fox was there.

There is an icon on the desktop, along with Internet Explorer's and about 30 others. I believe Internet Explorer came as default, but I didn't observe the first seconds directly.

It seems a standard install, no obvious branding or skinning - the start page has been set to Dell's EULA.

Neither browser masks the other that I can tell, of course each has it's standard 'I'm not the default' message.

... and today (4, Funny)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345570)

... is the day when software bundles is a Good Thing!

(err, right?)

Re:... and today (2, Insightful)

lasindi (770329) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345687)

and today is the day when software bundles is a Good Thing!

(err, right?)


Yes, when they encourage competition, as happened in this case.

Re: RaptorHead CDs in retail stores (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345573)

I don't think it really matters since end users can soon buy CDs that contains Firefox and openoffice.org at retail stores according to this story at newsforge. http://software.newsforge.com/software/05/12/09/16 44221.shtml?tid=132 [newsforge.com]

Not official (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345574)

this is the first official confirmation of Dell's decision.

An official confirmation would be somebody from Dell confirming it. Since Dell are free to bundle Firefox without a special agreement being made with Mozilla.org, people from Mozilla.org can't officially confirm it.

Not that I think it's not being done, I just think it's pretty stupid to call this an official confirmation.

A quick rant about Firefox (-1, Flamebait)

Cmdr_earthsnake (939669) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345610)

I'm probably going to be flamed for this but here goes.

What is so good about Firefox? I mean, really. It isn't THAT good a browser, yeah ok so it's open source and it has tabs and a good few modern browsing technologies.

Opera is imo, by far the best browser on the whole browser market. It has everything, and it's much lighter than firefox, it's so damn fast as well. I think Opera should have been bundled with Dell computers instead, and also Google might be buying Opera soon, that would make Opera THE premium browser! Come on Opera is the best. You don't even have to pay to use it without adverts anymore!

Re:A quick rant about Firefox (1)

Lispy (136512) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345631)

Ok, so just don't use it and cool down.

Re:A quick rant about Firefox (1)

afd8856 (700296) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345665)

give me easy adblock for opera linux, and I'm game.

Re:A quick rant about Firefox (1)

AnyoneEB (574727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345777)

Use privoxy [privoxy.org] . There is no reason to tie your ad-blocking to your browser.

Re:A quick rant about Firefox (3, Insightful)

Tx (96709) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345748)

What is so good about Firefox?

Extensions.

I tried Opera 8.5 for about a week, and while versus Firefox without extensions there would be no contest, there were just too many things I could not acheive in Opera, that Firefox extensions provide. Opera was fast and stable though.

It's a unfortunate that extensions are also a bit of a weak point for Firefox. It would be nice if the APIs for extensions were made robust enough that it was harder for extensions to break the browser, and I still haven't had a problem free browser upgrade without doing a clean reinstall.

Re:A quick rant about Firefox (4, Funny)

adolfojp (730818) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345806)

Ok mister, lets get a few things straight. Just because
  • most of firefox features were in Opera first and
  • Opera has features that will take years to be implemented in firefox and
  • Opera's mail client was gmail like before gmail even existed and
  • Opera is faster and has a smaller memory footprint than firefox and
  • Opera is beautifully designed and integrated instead of being a patchwork frankenbrowser and
  • Opera's download is smaller
slashdoters will still not love it. Why? Because Opera is not open source. Therefore, although most people won't ever modify Firefox's code, it will forever remain everyone's sweetheart.

Firefox is not just a browser, it is a symbol of rebelion against the system. We should rename it the Ché-wser and make t shirts! :-P

Cheers,
Adolfo
Opera user since forever.

Um... (1, Insightful)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345813)

We can very easily see that you're a zealot. You haven't said a single thing about why Opera is better than Firefox (and I personally don't believe that's true, both have things going for them).

Come on Opera is the best.

Why? You certainly haven't told us. Your saying so won't convince anyone.

This is very bad news for Microsoft (3, Interesting)

IntelliAdmin (941633) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345623)

If Dell does this all over the world it will have a large impact on IE browser numbers. This is the single largest reason IE/Windows has the largest install base. Think how good Firefox needed to be to get people to take the time and download, install and use over IE. Now it is there by default? Man that will be powerful.

Perhaps prompt the user at first login? (2, Insightful)

Jim in Buffalo (939861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345630)

Perhaps the new PC could prmopt the user at first login to choose clients for the various protocols. Thunderbird could be available as an alternative to Outlook Express, and some alternatives to the commercial chat programs could also be available. I like that idea.

Re:Perhaps prompt the user at first login? (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345674)

That would be awesome. I don't know if they'll do this because their support contracts will probably complain about the training costs, but it would give the user a lot more choice, and given XP's little mini-setup that comes on when the computer is first turned on, it would be very easy for them to implement.

Re:Perhaps prompt the user at first login? (1)

Barny (103770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345698)

Its a pain in the arse to setup a script like this, with GPO its easy, but on pre-install it can be a bother, much easyer to just load all the good alternatives on their (if they would only give us MSI packages/silent install options) PCs and then try and educate them on the differances. That way if they format the computer themselves they will either ask the vendors for the software or find it themselves :)

As for the trolls who mention not installing IE... can't be done via windows-PE installer, and i doubt microsoft would allow it unless pushed to do so.

This is nuts.. (5, Funny)

ronsta (815765) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345633)

I, for one, am outraged. Could you imagine if Microsoft did the same thing and had Internet Explorer installed on every new computer?

Oh wait... [microsoft.com]

One down.... (2, Insightful)

rune2 (547599) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345647)

Now if we could just get them to preinstall OpenOffice.org, offer Linux as a real alternative OS, and (god forbid) even consider offering AMD based systems then we would really be making progress...

Why 1.0.6? (5, Informative)

Barny (103770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345650)

For those wondering why this particular version, it is the latest to support FULL msi options http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=1380 33 [mozillazine.org] as listed on the official mozillazine forums.

However if the people at DELL had of just gone one more click to the guys full site, they would see the latest MSIs built ready for pre-install or corp rollout needs http://www.frontmotion.com/Firefox/ [frontmotion.com] .

Big thanks to "DraconPern" for doing this, OEMer i been working at has been rolling this onto default install for around 14 months now, not had one gripe about bloatware, and quite a few thankyous from people for saveing them the effort :)

doesn't work with McAfee (4, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345682)

I set up a bunch of new Dell laptops and set Firefox to be the default browser.

Much to my chagrin, McAfee (which is pre-installed) has a self-update is almost entirely ActiveX/javascript dependent. It loads about 10 pages in succession, which is rather strange. Even though it "fell down went boom" about 80% of the time in IE because McAfee's servers were continuously overloaded or down (thus resulting IE error pages which you can't continue from- you have to hit 'update' again and wait another 5-10 minutes.)

The incompetence in the decision to use complex ActiveX/javascript bouncing off 10 different pages and a couple webservers...just to check for effing definition updates...is astounding. Do they really not have anyone capable of writing a decent simple Windows 2k/XP program?

Re:doesn't work with McAfee (1)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345754)

First thing anybody should do when setting up a Dell is run MSCONFIG, go to Startup, and disable all. Then, reboot, get rid of the annoying warning reminding of what you just did (thank you Windows!), and uninstall MCafee and every frigging Dell app you can find on there.
    Or install Linux or a BSD :)

Re:doesn't work with McAfee (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345811)

For the laptops [prolly desktops too] just take any WinXP home CD [OEM or otherwise] and re-install. It's easier and more likely to get rid of the annoying software.

In my case I used the WinXP Home OEM CD I got for doing some LTC work in Windows... :-)

Tom

Re:doesn't work with McAfee (1)

txgunslinger (932679) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345787)

>Do they really not have anyone capable of writing a decent simple Windows 2k/XP program?

I was wondering the same thing about Microsoft.

Seen it on a dell 2weeks ago (1)

Gordy_Hand (669769) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345707)

When I first saw this article a few days ago, I remembered that a clients dell that I ordered for them turned up with firefox on it already. It was out of date but still very surprising. Shame there is sooo much other bloatware that takes ages to remove.

Firefox.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345715)

And I for one welcome our browser overlords !!

Is the US next? (0, Redundant)

Kionic.com (928350) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345719)

Is the US next?

Any prediction?

already do this (2, Interesting)

brontus3927 (865730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345723)

As a small system builder, I've been doing this since Firefox 1.0.1

When I sell a machine, I install the latest version of Windows, firefox, WinAMP, Norton AV, and OO.o (unless they "upgrade" to MS Office) and set firefox & WinAMP as defaults. I also offer a "bonus" CD with competing products such as Opera, RealPlayer, MusicMatch, and iTunes, and clear, conside directions on how a user would uninstall the software on the computer and replace it with what's on the CD. I also make sure the latest patches, updates, drivers, and virus definitions are installed.

Of course, I also sell linux boxes priced at the cost of Windows and Norton less than the Windows boxes. For those I just deliver the machine completely clean.

FirefoxInternet Explorer (1)

entropy117 (940117) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345739)

Looks like people are beginning to realize the benifits of open source technology. For a while people were very cautious about it. FInally the end of Internet Explorer seems a possibility!

Is it a response to spyware? (1)

realmolo (574068) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345768)

I imagine that Dell's support costs for helping people remove spyware are ASTRONOMICAL. And, truly, using Firefox as your browser goes a LONG way towards preventing spyware from being installed. I mean, a lot (most?) spyware comes in the form of ActiveX controls.

I wonder if McAfee and Norton Internet Security are going to get the axe next? Both of those programs tend to be a major hassle, too. I've always been amazed that Dell would install those programs on every machine, when doing so almost GUARANTEES a support call. Or ten.

Re:Is it a response to spyware? (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345798)

It doesn't help that Dell preinstalls a bunch of useless nagware that isn't up to date or "fully functional". Like thanks for McAfee but why not install Anti-vir? The first thing anyone halfway competent does with a Dell box is reinstall windows [or go straight to linux].

Where is the option to buy a Dell box with a blank drive or some linux distro or windows without all the unwanted doodahs? That'd be a truly useful option.

Tom

Eleven years ago (2, Interesting)

ReinoutS (1919) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345774)

OS/2 Warp was pre-installed on the machines from large retailers (typically Escom or Vobis). This was almost one year before Windows 95 was released. We all know how that story ended.

OK, the configuration of OS/2 on those machines (often 486DX2 with 4MB of RAM) was particularly crappy, sharing a FAT partition with DOS and Windows 3.1, but all I'm saying is that pre-installation doesn't imply mass adoption yet.

Grammar Alert: Singular Noun vs Plural Verb Usage (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14345778)

My god, this is almost as bad as the your/you're and its/it's confusion that every person under the age of 30, excluding myself, commits on a regular basis.

Dell is a company, and as such, is a SINGULAR NOUN. Usage rules dictate that singular nouns are incompatible with plural verbs. Would you say "My mom are going to the store?" Of course not. Why, then, would you say "Dell are now shipping" ?

Learn some fucking English, people.

Business users ? (4, Insightful)

smoker2 (750216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345780)

Does this include business machines ?

If so, I don't think it'll make much difference to the number of firefox users, as most large firms I know, who buy from Dell, have IE only web sites and intranets. It will however boost the statistics for Firefox, viz. number of installations.

Just more BloatWare (2, Insightful)

OctoberSky (888619) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345788)

First Off, I love FireFox and use it every day, it's default on every computer I use except this one (damn you work!).

Anyway, to play Devils Advocate, does everyone see that this should be considered more bloatware from Dell? I mean, the HardOCP review of Dells gaming rig (last week on /.) proves what everyone says, Dell puts too much crap on their boxes. Well, now thier putting another browser there, albeit a better one. It's technically another thing we (consumers) don't need.

I am probably going to get flamed for this post, but it has to be said. They put lots of programs that aren't needed on their computers and people bitch. Well, now thier putting another browser on there (again, I know its a better one) and everyone is happy.
I know it's a step in the right direction in general, but am I the only one who sees the majority of the previous posts as somewhat hypocritical?

Hey, tell 'em to call me when I can buy bare metal (2, Interesting)

mmell (832646) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345792)

It'd make my eyes really twinkle if I didn't have to pony up an extra c-note just to remove the preinstalled OS.

If I want Windows (which I might), I'll purchase a Genuine Windows CD; uh, that is, when they get the x_64 version working. It's in Microsoft Beta - that is, what the rest of us would call Alpha. SuSE 10.0 did a better job of recognizing my hardware right "out of the box", while the XP x_64 not only missed two cards, but refused to install the vendor-supplied (32-bit) drivers for the cards.

So, just for my sins, I now have an AMD x_64 machine running a 64-bit aware OS with application code compiled to take advantage of x_64 architecture. This begs the question - why does <insert hardware vendor name> trundle a 32-bit OS with 64-bit hardware?

dangerous road. (1)

CDPatten (907182) | more than 8 years ago | (#14345794)

Dell is playing with fire. Don't get me wrong I really like that they are installing Firefox, and hope it makes it to the US soon. But is it wise to slap the hand that feeds you? MS's support is one of the reasons Dell was able to undercut HP and become number one. Dell also got big support from Intel for rejecting AMD. Out of the two players to piss off I would think piss Intel would be a better move since everyone is going to HP/Sun to get some 64 bit opterons.

On the flip side HP has been warming up to MS with things like supporting HDDVD and MS/Disney tech over the HP/Java tech.
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