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pretend you didn't rent it. (4, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363721)

"Gimp Splash 10". That sounds like a movie you don't want your girlfriend finding under your couch.

Re:pretend you didn't rent it. (5, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363733)

"Gimp Splash 10". That sounds like a movie you don't want your girlfriend finding under your couch.

For me especially, because my girlfriend would probably tell my wife.

Re:pretend you didn't rent it. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363763)

I've seen it, and they're both in it.

Re:pretend you didn't rent it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363825)

OK, that's funny

Re:pretend you didn't rent it. (1)

The Ilia (933432) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363989)

No. That would be, "Gimps on Chimps 7: Ice Burn Weasel". A common misconception.

Re:pretend you didn't rent it. (0)

Dante Shamest (813622) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363831)

For me especially, because my girlfriend would probably tell my wife.

Sounds like your girlfriend and your wife have a healthy relationship. Lesbians?

queu... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363722)

... the bitching about Gimp being 10 years old and not being up to the par with Photoshop...

Eeeeuuuuh! (2, Insightful)

peterpi (585134) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363727)

The gimp slashdot icon animates!

I thought I was seeing things.

Re:Eeeeuuuuh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363823)

>> The gimp slashdot icon animates!

Animates ???

There isn't a noun that can't be verbed.

Re:Eeeeuuuuh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363834)

That is exactly right. So quit your complainting.

Re:Eeeeuuuuh! (1)

Placido (209939) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364145)

You've only just spotted that? Also check the BSD icon. Pretty cool when you first see it.

Can you say bloat? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363728)

The .xcf file compressed with bzip2 is 22.6 Mbytes! Uncompressed it's over 35 Mbytes. And people wonder why professionals stick with tools that work instead of moving to the GIMP

Re:Can you say bloat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363892)

You're right. A seven layer 600x580 image should be that huge.

We regularly create 3000x3000 pixel images (10" square at 300dpi) with many more layers than that. Of course we use PhotoShop for that. The GIMP just isn't ready for prime-time yet. The sad thing is that it's 10 years old now. If it isn't anywhere close to ready yet, is there any hope that it ever will be?

Re:Can you say bloat? (2, Informative)

Saven Marek (739395) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363924)

You should try gimp 2.2. Working with large images bigger than the screen is supposed to be much much faster in gimp than in photoshop. Where you would be waiting around for photoshop to be completing simple things like color adjustment or say something else like levels in a large image gimp would complete it in seconds.

Re:Can you say bloat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14364218)

Seven layer? Learn to count!

On rules, out the window: (3, Interesting)

Phariom (941580) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363737)

"We are collecting images with tutorials... "

"Unfortunately the winning entry wasn't accompanied with a tutorial..."

Re:On rules, out the window: (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363757)

And they don't even make the tutorials of the other participants available? Gimp would profit more from good tutorials than from a nice splash screen.

Re:On rules, out the window: (1)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363888)

Wasn't this supposed to be the whole point of the contest?

I admit, my tutorial [angband.pl] sucks monkey balls, but it at least does exist. The winning entry looks good, but I bet that many of other top-notch submissions met the requirements while being about as good.

Bummer (5, Funny)

sgant (178166) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363786)

Sorry to see the contest ending. I was about to fire up Photoshop and make a cool logo for Gimp. Oh well, there's always the next contest.

Don't like it (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363743)

The top lettering ruins the image, it looks like a homepage logo from 1998. I would remove the text at the top, crop the gauge tighter and overlay a more subtle version number in the bottom right. What does everyone else think?

Re:Don't like it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363768)

it looks homepage logo from 1998

That might actully be the point you know. Say, ten years retro style.

Re:Don't like it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363788)

it looks homepage logo from 1998
That might actully be the point you know. Say, ten years retro style.

Whatever, I didn't mean it a good way and I'm usually a big fan of retro typefaces. Even if the artist was going for a retro vibe, the title still sucks.

Re:Don't like it (1)

elliotCarte (703667) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363996)

I don't like the top lettering either, but to me the worst part of the logo is the gauge. It only goes to 30, which implies a 30 year limit on the lifespan of the product. The needle is at 10/30, so do we have 20 more years until... the engine blows up or what?
-311;<>+

Re:Don't like it (1)

spyowl (838397) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364060)

The needle is at 10/30, so do we have 20 more years until... the engine blows up or what?

No, it's actually 20 more years until we get a new engine with the full CMYK support.

This bodes ill... (4, Insightful)

DwarfGoanna (447841) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364024)

I think its become painfully clear that very few graphic designers (not to mention graphic design students, who would normally jump on a contest like this) use the GIMP. This would get killed in a freshmen level critique, and rejected by all but the least design conscious clients........and it won the fucking GIMP contest.


I'm not trolling, I love Free Software and have a soft spot for the GIMP especially, but this says a lot about the user base.

Worse... (1)

DwarfGoanna (447841) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364069)

After looking through the rejected submissions, they passed up some really strong designs for this crap. Amazing.

Re:Don't like it (4, Insightful)

Chazmati (214538) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364144)

I think it's the lettering on the dial ("The Gimp") that ruins it. That lettering looks way too sharp and dark to fit in with the rest of the picture. The lettering at the top isn't pleasant, but it sort of fits in contrast/color/intensity.

Re:Don't like it (1)

WonderSnatch (835677) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364310)

I like the idea, but not the implmentation.

I think the lettering added to the dial (along with the GIMP logo) should NOT have been pure black, but a shade of gray matching the numbers on the dial. The words "GIMP Years" aren't quite centered either.

I also would've chosen a gauge that doesn't skip numbers at the begining! Since the chosen gauge is not symetrical, it just looks crooked. The 5 should be horizontal from the 25, and the 15 should be at the top, but since there's a tick missing between 0 and 5, it's out of wack. Speaking of symmetry, the location of the bezel bolts also makes this image look crooked.

Brett

Re:Don't like it (1)

Bigos (857389) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364312)

The top lettering ruins the image, it looks like a homepage logo from 1998.

Oh, so for the 7th anniversary would it be OK? :-)

Sorry, I couldn't resist asking.

Re:Don't like it (1)

Quinn (4474) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364313)

A half-moon gauge, a copperplate (in keeping with the rusty Fallout theme) beneath with the title and version, replace "gimp years" with Wilbur.

Article Text (1)

boomgopher (627124) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363748)

"And the winner is...

a GIF screencap of that dude from Pulp Fiction.

Congratulations, Hamid Franklin on a job well done. *clap-clap-clap*"

That's not exactly a great design... (2, Informative)

mstroeck (411799) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363753)

The titling sucks beyond description. It's just ugly. Sorry, I like the GIMP, but this doesn't do it justice.

Re:That's not exactly a great design... (1)

Rocketship Underpant (804162) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363796)

I agree. The gauge is neat (thanks to the photo used), but the titling looks like the gaudy, over-textured effects I used to see in books with titles like "Photoshop 3 for beginners". Not that I'm purposely trying to be unkind. I assume that was the best graphic submitted.

Re:That's not exactly a great design... (1)

DnasTheGreat (915201) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364135)

You can see the others for yourself if you like...
http://gimp.org/contest/gallery.cgi [gimp.org]

IMO, they made a fairly bad choice. The contest was supposed to, among other things, show off what GIMP could do. The winner's strongest point was the photograph.

I know that my entry and each of my friend's numerous entries was done entirely from scratch with GIMP. I wouldn't be surprised if many others turned out that way.

Security eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363755)

2005 was a bad year for alot of things.

Uhhh... what is it? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363764)

It looks like [gimp.org] some kind of rusty dial off the Titanic... only it's measuring.. years... which maxes out at.... 30.

Umm...

What?

gimp --no-splash (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363766)

To start gimp without the splashscreen, simply write: gimp --no-splash

30 years limit? (2, Interesting)

lRem (914073) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363773)

Is it only me, or the gauge suggests how long the GIMP project will last? ;)

caches... (5, Informative)

Skal Tura (595728) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363777)

coral cache directly to the winning image:
http://sven.gimp.org.nyud.net:8090/gimp-2.2.10-spl ash-contest+ixyx_v0.2b.png [nyud.net]

and to the full page:
http://www.gimp.org.nyud.net:8090/contest/ [nyud.net]

i also put the image to here:
http://www.artichost.net/gimp-2.2.10-splash-contes t+ixyx_v0.2b.png [artichost.net]

0-4 ? (5, Insightful)

TheRealDamion (209415) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363778)

Why does it start at 0, get to 4 but mark it at 5? This also makes 15 not quite centred* at the top. (*I'm british)

Re:0-4 ? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363813)

Why does it start at 0, get to 4 but mark it at 5? This also makes 15 not quite centred* at the top. (*I'm british)

It does look a bit like an artistic impression of a real dial.

Re:0-4 ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363829)

What if the gauge started counting from 1?

Re:0-4 ? (1)

TheRealDamion (209415) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363841)

Well that would be stupid, also non geeky. But apart from all of that, it does actually say "0". But you might be on to something, perhaps the artist is just that. Somebody who things gauges should start at 1, they initially had that and then somebody pointed out how stupid that was and they changed it to a "0" without fixing the scale.

Re:0-4 ? (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363845)

It clearly starts at 0. The dial is actully reading 9.

It would be really funny if it was an accident and it got all the way to be the winning image without anyone noticing--but there's probably a better explanation.

Re:0-4 ? (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364150)

It clearly starts at 0. The dial is actully reading 9.

You better be glad you live in the day and age you do... You'd probably get someone killed if you lived back when gauges like that were common.

Re:0-4 ? (5, Funny)

cioxx (456323) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363844)

Shareware limitation. The plugin for Photoshop that generates the gauge is made to produce incorrect increments when it is not registered.

Either that or it's a metaphor, implying that in Year 1 (i.e. 0-1) not much was accomplished with respect to its functionality, and developers decided to put it behind them and forget it ever happened.

I happen to believe the third theory, in which the artist who produced this artwork is making a social commentary on the existential nature of open source software.

Re:0-4 ? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363983)

The plugin used to generate the gauge was written in C, and has an off-by-one error.

Just like a real pressure gauge (2, Insightful)

ZombieEngineer (738752) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363984)

Often mechanical guages are "pinned" (the needle rests on a pin) at the low reading otherwise they vibrate badly. Hence the needle doesn't travel between 0 and 1.

Da ZombieEngineer

Re:Just like a real pressure gauge (1)

elliotCarte (703667) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364029)

Then there should be one tick labled 0 below the pin and the pin should be on the 1 tick. Alternatively, the first tick could be labled 1.
-311;<>+

To take part you have to... (3, Funny)

Oldsmobile (930596) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363779)

To take part, you have to right click through menus, I suppose.

Re:To take part you have to... (1)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363960)

Of course, you realize that you haven't had to right click in the GIMP for years now, right? Gimp's had pulldown menus by default for a long time now.

Re:To take part you have to... (1)

wheany (460585) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364110)

Last time I used the Gimp it was so horrible that I really haven't felt like trying it again.

It opens multiple windows that clutter up my task bar. And when I click on one of them, the others don't pop up to the top. And the menu is in its own window. And the fucking thing crashes the moment you try to actually do something.

In short: it behaves like no other app in Windows.

For their next contest... (5, Insightful)

bgfay (5362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363780)

Rename the GIMP so that people who aren't already devoted to it might have a clue as to what it does.

There was another article a while ago about program names that made sense to me. If the Open Source programs had more recognizable names, they would have more traction. As it is, in my school, it is very difficult to get people to use things like the GIMP instead of Photoshop but much easier to convince them that OpenOffice is a good choice over MS Office.

Re:For their next contest... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363801)

It's called the "GNU Image Manipulation Program", the name is even more specific than Photoshop. I think that the developers should do a special 1 off release named "Get over it or suck cock you whining losers", in recognition of retards like you.

Re:For their next contest... (3, Insightful)

bgfay (5362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363830)

I know what it stands for. You know why? Because I read things like /. and keep up with some of the Open Source news. But here's the thing: only one of my friends is a geek and keeps up with this the way I do. Almost all of the others have digital cameras and use image software of one kind or another, but have no idea what a GIMP is other than a derogatory term for someone who can't walk well. Thus, they don't use it.

As for the idea that GNU Image Minipulation Program is more specific than Photoshop, who cares? The name Photoshop (and I have to say here that I have never used Photoshop) makes it sound like a workshop in which someone can alter photos. Simple. It's a one-degree operation. GIMP is at least three degrees: GIMP = GNU Image Manipulation Program = a program for altering images (maybe even photos). I'm saying that the name is not a great way to "sell" the product.

Why would the product need to be "sold"? It's that thing about the more users something has, the more likely it is to get better faster. Firefox (another program with a non-descriptive name) comes to mind as an example of this.

Finally, as a representative of the "retards like you" club, thanks for the kind words. It's elitist nonsense like this that leads all but one of my friends to think that most computer geeks are introverts or childern who can't function in real society and so retreat into virtual societies on the web where they can tell people to "Get over it or suck cock you whining losers." Beyond the inanity of your comment, it doesn't help move anything forward.

Here's laughing at you kid.

Re:For their next contest... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363889)

There's a long history of self-righteous people complaining about the naming of the GIMP or Mozilla's libPr0n. It is possible you are not one of these cocksuckers but I chose not to give you the benefit of the doubt because your post reads like a troll. Short of asking Microsoft to rename "Exel" to "MS Spreadsheet", "Powerpoint" to "MS Presentation" and "Windows" to the catchy "Computer operating system with a Windowing Graphical User Interface"; I still fail to see your point.

I admire the way you took to supposed high-ground with your response, only a cocksucker would use that tactic to shift the focus away from an argument that had just been so completely blown out of the water. Yes I am elitist, deal with it!

Re:For their next contest... (1)

bgfay (5362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363912)

I'm really not trying to be self-righteous in any way. Again, I use the GIMP and have never used Photoshop. I like the program, and like it more and more with each revision. That said, the name doesn't work well in terms of getting others to use it. In each case where I have gotten someone to use it, I have had to get them past the name. That's counterproductive.

As for taking the high-ground, it's new territory for me and I'm stumbling around like a drunk. Still, it is pretty nice up here...

Re:For their next contest... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14364053)

The Kill 'em with kindness routine eh, so if you're new around here how much did you pay for your UID?

There's nothing wrong with the name GIMP, it's either a self-effacing or kinky acronym depending what part of the English speaking world you are in. The GIMP isn't marketed to middle-management and souless functionaries, that isn't how free software takes hold. Build the binaries yourself and rename everything with an appropriately bland name and let us all know how the effect of the name change on peoples acceptance of the app.

In my experience, the name is irrelevant and the (Windows) users eyes glaze over as soon as you mention any of the following; "GTK libs", "GPL", "GNU", "Free Software", "Manual". If someone doesn't understand the basics of image editing and file formats, you're wasting time introducing them to the GIMP.

Re:For their next contest... (1)

bgfay (5362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364335)

"so if you're new around here how much did you pay for your UID?"

Never said I was new to /. It's just new that I'm not bickering like the child I really am. As for the UID, to the best of my knowledge it was free. I wish I could remember what first brought me to /. That's a thing I've long ago forgotten. Oh well.

Re:For their next contest... (2, Interesting)

Saven Marek (739395) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363895)

Well here is the thing. If you don't already know background on graphic editors and you want to look for a program to edit graphics what would you pick?

ImageTool
GraphicEdit
PixelPerformer
PhotoEdit
SPASTIC

I think you might not pick the last one and you might not even get to the point of finding out it really stands for Superior Program And Scripts To Image Control

That is the same thing faced by people who could benefit from gimp but skip over it because of the dumb name. So who named gimp that anyway?

Lets call it.. (1)

Tune (17738) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363824)

GNU Image Manipulation Program (because that's basically what it is)

You're (probably) refering to this [slashdot.org] story. IMHO GIMP is a great name, or at least as good as Ps would be for Phostoshop. A more justified criticism would be directed against the GIMPs somewhat unintuitive GUI. Then, there are historical reasons to not do that...

But, as others have pointed out, with GIMP you have a choice: GIMPShop [gimpshop.net] (which is still somewhat immature). For lazy readers:

GIMPShop is a free Open Source image editor that is similar to the popular Adobe Photoshop. Specifically GIMPShop is a version of the GIMP that has been edited to be more user-friendly for Photoshop users.

[...]

GIMPShop was orginally developed for Mac OS X, but has been ported to Windows, Linux, and Solaris.


Satisfied?

Re:Lets call it.. (1)

bgfay (5362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363847)

"Satisfied?"

No, not really. Consider PS as the name for PhotoShop. Does it work? No.

Now, I'm not suggesting that the name of the GIMP really be changed. At least, not right away. Perhaps there could be a subtitle as in GIMP: (something recognizable). What I am suggesting is that the naming conventions of Open Source programs need to be more recognizable if they are to penetrate more of the market.

One issue, I know, is that things are tough to get through the lawyers. Firefox/Firebird/Phoenix had this problem. I'm not sure how to solve it, but I know that the names represent a barrier. I like the GIMP. I just don't like the name. And I don't like the name because it keeps people from adopting it. The name makes it sound amateurish and non-professional.

Re:Lets call it.. (1)

Tune (17738) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363976)


"The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48"
Gimp Gimp, a. W. gwymp fair, neat, comely.
      Smart; spruce; trim; nice. Obs. or Prov. Eng.
      1913 Webster
...Not to bad... OK. I'll admit that gimp sounds like wimp, which closely resembles GIMPs logo. Nevertheless, GIMP is called GIMP because it is an image manipulation program that happened to be blessed by the GNU brand - its called what it is.

This seems more apt than your Firefox example. Firefox is a great brand, but it's far from obvious that "fire", "fox" or "firefox" have anything to do with browsing web pages. Neither are Netscape or Mozilla. Firefox is a great brand because it stands for a popular product, not the other way around. Same for "Linux", "Apache", "PHP", "Safari", ".net", or "XP".

So I can't see why GIMP would gain popularity by changing its name to GNU Photoshop or Kingkong (legal issues aside). A linspire/ubuntu/mandrake-newby will find GIMP under Start=>Applications=>Graphics (or similar) which is pretty intuitive to a Windows user.

I think blaming GIMPs lack of popularity with the general public on its name is very simplistic. I'm tempted to say that Photoshop is simply a better product - which is debatable - but its obvious that issues like marketing budget and commercial plugin support from third parties are important factors.

Yes - browsing for not-so-obvious applications in Freshmeat give me headaches as well. But it's not just the name, it's the varrying formats and quality of meta information about this software, and most importantly: a universal way to asses a component's quality, applicability for a certain task.

Re:Lets call it.. (1)

bgfay (5362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364344)

I'm not blaming GIMP's lack of popularity on its name or claiming that it is unpopular. I'm just saying that it has been a barrier to my getting friends, students and associates to use it. That's all.

Re:Lets call it.. (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363991)

IMHO GIMP is a great name, or at least as good as Ps would be for Phostoshop

Satisfied?

No. A word meaning [reference.com] "A person who limps" makes it sound like the program is crippled somehow, and has even less to do with graphic manipulation than "Photoshop" does.

If you really want "normal" people to start using open-source stuff like this, or professionals to switch to it, a good first step would be to make sure names are found that don't imply (consciously or unconsciously) that the software is subpar somehow.

Re:Lets call it.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14364031)

"Gimp" word got some meaning when you know sado-masochist practices. So it's not a good name for an open source project.

Gimp *shop* could be worse, for that matter.

Re:For their next contest... (5, Interesting)

Saven Marek (739395) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363843)

I think you are correct. A friend of mine who works in the industry (he is running a network for a big graphic place so he knows his stuff) says photoshop and gimp have been feature-parity for all intensive purposes since photoshop 5.0 and that dates back to 1999

So a free program has been able to do what a program costing thousands in upgrades and purchases since 1999 but it is still not making solid inroads into the graphics business. Why is this? My friend says the first thing people laugh at is the name. It might be called GNU Image Manipulation Program but nobody calls it that, it even calls itself GIMP. I think it should be called Graphic Image Manupulation Program and renamed to not use the acronym gimp.

It has all the ability to take over the graphics design business and that's some of the most entrenched markets of adobe. If only the name weren't turning people off :(

Re:For their next contest... (1)

bgfay (5362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363851)

How about Graphic Manipulator?

I don't love it, but it's a start toward naming it for what it does and getting away from the acronym which, I agree, sounds less than serious.

Re:For their next contest... (1)

imroy (755) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363876)

Graphic Manipulator? That's as bad as Microsoft's naming scheme: Internet Explorer, SQL Server, Windows Media Player, MSN Messenger, Paint, Notepad, Word, Windows Guardian. Have some creativity for gods sake!

Re:For their next contest... (1)

bgfay (5362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363897)

Alright, I admit, I'm no PR genius! But, on the serious side, some of those names are pretty clear indications of what the programs do. It gives me no pleasure to give MS kudos for much of anything, though XP is a great system (talk about bad naming).

So what's a good name for GIMP that indicates what it does, sounds professional, is easy to remember, and sells?

Re:For their next contest... (1)

Saven Marek (739395) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363910)

Internet Explorer, SQL Server, Windows Media Player, MSN Messenger, Paint, Notepad, Word, Windows Guardian.

Almost all of which have greater market share in their fields than gimp does in its.

which is the point many people I guess also don't care about but many of us would like to see open source software get used by people after putting much effort into it. the whole idea "selling" open source software in mindshare means something to me.

Re:For their next contest... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363852)

A friend of mine who works in the industry (he is running a network for a big graphic place so he knows his stuff) says photoshop and gimp have been feature-parity for all intensive purposes since photoshop 5.0

If your friend really knew his stuff he wouldn't say anything of the sort.

nitpick (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14364130)

intents and purposes

Re:For their next contest... (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364163)

So a free program has been able to do what a program costing thousands in upgrades and purchases since 1999 but it is still not making solid inroads into the graphics business. Why is this?

Lack of CMYK and Pantone support?

It's not the name. Your claims of feature parity are just wrong.

Re:For their next contest... (1)

Paraplex (786149) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364220)

I'm a graphic designer and I was thinking I might start using the GIMP just so I could tell clients I had to run stuff past the GIMP. They'd get a kick out of it the same way they love to hear shit has been put through flint/flame/inferno or how they used to ooh and ah when you used to have to "take it into the paint box"

But with regards to the splash screen:

1) 0,1,2,3,5 - FFS can they count? who expects anyone of average or above intelligence to use this software - i'm not loading this up infront of anyone - they'll think GIMP is a warez release group

2) The GIMP doesn't even seem to have a logo other than that dog. Get your shit together. 10 fucking years and no logo or style guide?

3) The GIMP years and dog are for some reason printed in some ink which doesn't age the same as the rest of the ink, leaving it crisp, black and not blurred the same amount as the rest of the text.

4) The version number is of the same importance as the text "The Gimp"... que?

I apologise if this was designed by some kid, and this might come across as harsh to the genius software designers who made the software, but if "the GIMP" wants to be taken seriously in the graphic design industry they have to do better than to stamp their product with this.

Re:For their next contest... (1)

frisket (149522) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363954)

Rename the GIMP [...] If the Open Source programs had more recognizable names, they would have more traction.

Seconded.

But the people who write and name the programs aren't interested in traction, just in making it sound cutesy-pie for those on the inside track.

Even more than naming, if the good folks at GIMP would fix the damn program to behave sensibly, perhaps more people would use it. They finally did something (not a lot, but something) about the interface, but it still does stupid anal-retentive things like refusing to Save As...GIF (for example) until you manually make the image type Indexed. It's trying to teach image-handling, which is very laudable, but not at the expense of driving away users, who take one look, say "It's broken", and head for Photoshop or PSP. And so much of the daily-use functionality (eg cropping) is buried 3-4 menu levels deep while stuff you use once in a lifetime is up at the top.

I think what they've done is excellent, it just needs making usable.

--
The best cure for sea-sickness is to go and sit under a tree [Spike Milligan]

Unusability: No White-balance tool?? (1)

Burz (138833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14364048)

Who are they kidding?

No wait.... There is "Auto White Balance", which might as well read "No White Balance" because the [i]whole point[/i] of a white-balance tool is to point-out what part of the image is to be considered "white". (Either that, or to indicate the color temp of the light source.)

This, and the fact they must ask for splashscreen art to be submitted to them, makes me wonder if the GIMP project isn't driven by artless hacks. If they had more professional contact with end-users (in formal product testing, for instance) they would have suitable artwork practically thrown onto their lap.

Sorry, I tried but I just can't use this thing.

how nice (1)

Combas (776699) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363784)

Its so nice to hear GIMP is still alive and well after 10 years.

In that time I imagine that there has been dozens of proprietary apps that have come and gone, lets face it, but Gimp hasn't been one of them.

I would be willing to bet money that in 10 years or even 20 Gimp is still going to be alive and well.

Pretty, but... (3, Insightful)

Oscar_Wilde (170568) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363791)

The new splash screen image looks very nice but I wish it wasn't there at all. Am I the only person who finds splash screens irritating?
 
At least it is less annoying with a program like the GIMP. It's almost unbearable when programs that are convenient to have automatically started upon login flash their pointless splash screens around right when I want to start working on other stuff (Skype, I'm looking at you).

Re:Pretty, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14364041)

Use the --no-splash commandline option.

showing no splash by default is not appropriate for newbies -- The first time gimp starts up it takes considerably longer because it has to query every plugin; without the splash screen this could give the impression it hasn't started. On my (800mhz) system, first startup can be up to 45 seconds long vs after that: 5 seconds.

Give me adjustment layers!!! (2, Insightful)

jonr (1130) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363814)

Another splash screen? We need that just as much as we need sarcasm detector.
Give me adjustment layers. I'm hooked on those in photoshop. Levels, curves, colour, contrast etc...

Re:Give me adjustment layers!!! (1)

Saven Marek (739395) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363950)

Levels, curves, colour, contrast etc...

All been available in gimp for most of its 10 years and obviously so in the menus. If you can't find them already you can't be serious about wanting them in gimp.

Re:Give me adjustment layers!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14363975)

Give me adjustment layers. I'm hooked on those in photoshop. Levels, curves, colour, contrast etc...
Sorry, that would be too confusing for the users.

Nice Image, Ugly Type... (1)

3) profit!!! (773340) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363837)

I like the background dial image, but does anyone else think the type looks ugly? It doesn't really blend in with the background very well, IMO.

Re:Nice Image, Ugly Type... (1)

yoanis_gil (855505) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363865)

For me it seems the author took the splash from a very very old magazine and edited in the Gimp 2.2.8

I was hoping to see... (2, Insightful)

Scratch-O-Matic (245992) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363869)

I was hoping to see a splash screen that said, "Now Featuring 16-bit Color!"

Re:I was hoping to see... (1)

Tet (2721) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363939)

I was hoping to see a splash screen that said, "Now Featuring 16-bit Color!"

If you want deep colour, look here: http://cinepaint.movieeditor.com [movieeditor.com] . And none of your 16-bit rubbish either. 32-bits is where it's at these days.

Re:I was hoping to see... (1)

Scratch-O-Matic (245992) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363953)

I've been using Cinepaint to adjust levels and curves in my scanned-from-negative photos. Then I move to Gimp to do other stuff...including cropping, which, inexplicably, requires pixel math in Cinepaint.

it's terrible (0, Flamebait)

Madarco (771834) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363927)

After 10 years GIMP still sux and this horrible splash reveal that no one with decent skill use it. Open source is great, when programmers make software that only programmers will use.

Dynamic Splash (1)

EBFoxbat (897297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14363934)

I've long been an advocate of dynamic slashes. The slash should be fetched over the internet. There should be a default splash for no connection. Then the slash can change like the Google images for special happenings.

It's a photo! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14364126)

All the "winner" has done is to add the title, logo and mid-dial text. All of which don't look right. Can't anyone else see this?
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